I did my most recent training on the SR20 GS at PDK and RYY. But damn…$$$$! Had to pause cuz of a job change but it soooo good. The 20 could fulfill most of my missions but I’d want to get a 22 if money was no object. Damn fun to fly.
It'd cost boatloads more money to certify engines using FADEC. The cyan line that pops up as a fuel flow target makes it so easy to lean that I'd rather have the cyan line over paying more for a FADEC
@@taytayflyfly7291 I'm guessing you don't own or fly a Cirrus? The Cirrus customer wants technology, features, and safety and we're willing to pay for it. Maybe you do fly or own a Cirrus but Cirrus is built on innovation, features, and safety, and eliminating mixture management objectively is easier and safer. I don't care to debate the old vs the new with anyone, it is what it is.
Your total fixed and variable costs will be about double, but it would be a fun ride nonetheless. You can even recoup the extra cost of a C22T in 5 yrs. My choice might be the 340A or 414.
The only real disadvantage of this aircraft, OLD engine. Technology for today 40 year forward, and it looks like a last try to to use the principals from 60s. Lycoming should already develop "Automotive" engine and forget about old ones (ineffective )
Factually he is right but that’s because it was designed that way from the get go. It wasn’t that it needed it to fly. And the old “can’t get it out of a spin” narrative.
There is nothing that prevents the Cirrus from exiting a spin. If it was not certified for spins, then spins are legally prohibited. This is the goal of the company: To offer an alternative that will save ignorant and incompetent consumer pilots lives. And also place the blame of fatal accidents on pilots for spinning an aircraft that is illegal to spin.
You are letting yourself be fooled by the high price :) avionics is no more expensive than in an LSA. aircon comes standard in a 15k$ nissan versa. the engine is a WW2 tractor engine. Don't be lured in by the one ring :)
@@learndesignwithdev the major problem with GA is of course the poor selection and the ridiculous overpricing of many products, cirrus SR is one of the absolute biggest offenders, particularly when they have such great volume they have all the opportunity to cost optimize but instead they price maximize and people still buy them. Gogetair G750 is however a genuinely interesting alternative around 300k$ that's not only much cheaper to buy but much cheaper to operate which is a big part as well. Insurance is presumably also proportional. I haven't checked recently where they are on getting it certified in USA, I believe it is in europe, they might be slacking and waiting for mosaic or something but harass them to get it done if not already. And even better value is the Carbon Design Vampire II which I was offered factory new for 83700€ including parachute. It's only a 2 seater LSA but decently capable at around 240km/h which is significantly faster than a cessna 172. Good looking plane too. And so much more is possible. You'd be shocked if you saw what was possible and cirrus would look suitably colonial.
@@DanFrederiksen What's your opinion on buying lets say a 1970s Piper or Cessna 172 for Dirt cheap, getting it stripped to bare bones and going for ground up restoration? I mean glass cockpit etc. Won't that be feasible? Also may fetch better prices if one needs to sell.
@@learndesignwithdev @learndesignwithdev I'm allergic to old junk and for good reason, the rebuild rescue youtube channel is an exhausting nightmare process. Metal planes are both very complex and fragile plus installing a minimum of avionics tend to be a 60+k$ mission. But if we look at the arizona boys at JR aviation they got an old junker for 10 grand that was in good condition so if you can paint it yourself and know a guy that can install some avionics it might be a financially good option but mainly to sell it again for the outrageous price levels they go for. Because operating the old generation of planes is quite expensive by the hour. Getting a lean newer LSA has to be a much lesser burden. Especially in a shared ownership. When I bought part ownership of an LSA I was looking at old Cessna 172 and they are literally 5x more expensive per hour. Despite being a slow ugly tractor. 5x is a crazy margin. Our LSA ran on mogas which is much cheaper. And some LSAs are twice as fast as a 172 although there aren't any low priced ones available afaik. JR got a crazy deal so for them it works out and they sell it off but never pay big money for a junker. I would go 4 way ownership on a sporty LSA with a chute (preferable composite) if you are looking for cost effective. So much more joy instead of dreary tractor that you always fear the repair bill of. The 5x cost difference is not an exaggeration. I owned 1/8 of one for a couple of years with hangar and insurance and I noticed no financial burden whatsoever. I paid 200$ a year and 35$ per hour including fuel. One of the guys did annual check on it. One time we needed a new gearbox because of a past prop strike that I didn't know about, I paid 500$. Even something catastrophic was modest money. I paid around 8500$ for the share which I got back when I sold it. If you buy a beautiful new sporty LSA with a parachute for 100k, others might jump at the chance to buy a share and have a brand new plane.
@@DanFrederiksen Thank you so much Dan for taking your precious time and explaining in detail. I get the picture now. Newer LSA are capable than older models + running costs also need to be taken into consideration. Thanks again 👍 😊
Love my g1 SR22 NA. Has taken me thousands of miles and so comfy my wife falls asleep.
I have been waiting for this video for years now. Thanks Mojo
I love Cirrus! SR 22T is my dream plane. Love your positive vibe in every video bro! Keep it going and love from Finland!
You, sir, have made a great brand for yourself with your content! Keep this good stuff coming!!!
Thumbs up because you actually say the price! All these content creators refuse to say the price. Good job.
Thanks Mike, I always enjoy your videos!
Loving your videos bro. always on point
Thank you Mike
I did my most recent training on the SR20 GS at PDK and RYY. But damn…$$$$!
Had to pause cuz of a job change but it soooo good. The 20 could fulfill most of my missions but I’d want to get a 22 if money was no object.
Damn fun to fly.
You got to fly a special one Mike--that's the first G7 SR20 ever made!
Thanks. Would enjoy your video more with ATC radio volume level reduced.
plus where is FADEC? why won't they ditch manual mixture already??
It'd cost boatloads more money to certify engines using FADEC. The cyan line that pops up as a fuel flow target makes it so easy to lean that I'd rather have the cyan line over paying more for a FADEC
@@taytayflyfly7291 I'm guessing you don't own or fly a Cirrus? The Cirrus customer wants technology, features, and safety and we're willing to pay for it. Maybe you do fly or own a Cirrus but Cirrus is built on innovation, features, and safety, and eliminating mixture management objectively is easier and safer. I don't care to debate the old vs the new with anyone, it is what it is.
@@ericbuhrendorf I fly multiple times a week in a cirrus and not as a passenger
@@taytayflyfly7291 Gotcha... then we'll agree to disagree. I appreciate the engagement though.
Come on down to 7GA7.
What mount is that for the Insta360 X4?
Maybe one day.
Cirrus is approved to spin in Europe so it obviously can spin and get out of a spin. I spin regularly.
Excelente brother 🛩️🏆💪🏼🫶🏼
Touchscreen PFD/MFD's are better than touchscreen controllers
Cirrus is the iPhone of airplanes, little difference between generations…. Buts it’s the new model… 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
They need to reinvent the wheel everytime they have upgrades?
I heard they at least aren't upping the price at all. So hate all you want
beautiful bird!! but for 600k im getting a Cessna 421 with upgraded glass avionics, yaw damper, autopilot, and pressurized cabin!
And twice the fuel burn. $30,000 annuals. And $120,000 dual overhauls.
And the only feature you mentioned that the Cirrus didn’t have was a pressurized cabin.
Your total fixed and variable costs will be about double, but it would be a fun ride nonetheless. You can even recoup the extra cost of a C22T in 5 yrs. My choice might be the 340A or 414.
The only real disadvantage of this aircraft, OLD engine. Technology for today 40 year forward, and it looks like a last try to to use the principals from 60s. Lycoming should already develop "Automotive" engine and forget about old ones (ineffective )
The Cirrus SR series wouldn't have got Certification without a BRS. I remember this for sure..
You seem to imply that without the chute the plane doesn’t fly…..
This urban legend just won’t die!!
@@dietrichwinter8896 No doubt. ridiculous.
Factually he is right but that’s because it was designed that way from the get go. It wasn’t that it needed it to fly. And the old “can’t get it out of a spin” narrative.
There is nothing that prevents the Cirrus from exiting a spin.
If it was not certified for spins, then spins are legally prohibited.
This is the goal of the company: To offer an alternative that will save ignorant and incompetent consumer pilots lives. And also place the blame of fatal accidents on pilots for spinning an aircraft that is illegal to spin.
Tell him to get his hands of the stick when your landing !!! Too many people do this.
Transition training by an instructor. He should be have his hand hovering around the stick.
@@dietrichwinter8896 He's a qualified pilot they are both moving the stick, so sorry you are wrong !!!!
@@johnisley4578 Has he flown this type before, using sidestick?
You are letting yourself be fooled by the high price :) avionics is no more expensive than in an LSA. aircon comes standard in a 15k$ nissan versa. the engine is a WW2 tractor engine. Don't be lured in by the one ring :)
Any suggestions or choices better than this Cirrus!?
@@learndesignwithdev the major problem with GA is of course the poor selection and the ridiculous overpricing of many products, cirrus SR is one of the absolute biggest offenders, particularly when they have such great volume they have all the opportunity to cost optimize but instead they price maximize and people still buy them.
Gogetair G750 is however a genuinely interesting alternative around 300k$ that's not only much cheaper to buy but much cheaper to operate which is a big part as well. Insurance is presumably also proportional. I haven't checked recently where they are on getting it certified in USA, I believe it is in europe, they might be slacking and waiting for mosaic or something but harass them to get it done if not already.
And even better value is the Carbon Design Vampire II which I was offered factory new for 83700€ including parachute. It's only a 2 seater LSA but decently capable at around 240km/h which is significantly faster than a cessna 172. Good looking plane too.
And so much more is possible. You'd be shocked if you saw what was possible and cirrus would look suitably colonial.
@@DanFrederiksen What's your opinion on buying lets say a 1970s Piper or Cessna 172 for Dirt cheap, getting it stripped to bare bones and going for ground up restoration? I mean glass cockpit etc.
Won't that be feasible? Also may fetch better prices if one needs to sell.
@@learndesignwithdev @learndesignwithdev I'm allergic to old junk and for good reason, the rebuild rescue youtube channel is an exhausting nightmare process. Metal planes are both very complex and fragile plus installing a minimum of avionics tend to be a 60+k$ mission. But if we look at the arizona boys at JR aviation they got an old junker for 10 grand that was in good condition so if you can paint it yourself and know a guy that can install some avionics it might be a financially good option but mainly to sell it again for the outrageous price levels they go for. Because operating the old generation of planes is quite expensive by the hour. Getting a lean newer LSA has to be a much lesser burden. Especially in a shared ownership. When I bought part ownership of an LSA I was looking at old Cessna 172 and they are literally 5x more expensive per hour. Despite being a slow ugly tractor. 5x is a crazy margin. Our LSA ran on mogas which is much cheaper. And some LSAs are twice as fast as a 172 although there aren't any low priced ones available afaik.
JR got a crazy deal so for them it works out and they sell it off but never pay big money for a junker.
I would go 4 way ownership on a sporty LSA with a chute (preferable composite) if you are looking for cost effective. So much more joy instead of dreary tractor that you always fear the repair bill of. The 5x cost difference is not an exaggeration.
I owned 1/8 of one for a couple of years with hangar and insurance and I noticed no financial burden whatsoever. I paid 200$ a year and 35$ per hour including fuel. One of the guys did annual check on it. One time we needed a new gearbox because of a past prop strike that I didn't know about, I paid 500$. Even something catastrophic was modest money. I paid around 8500$ for the share which I got back when I sold it.
If you buy a beautiful new sporty LSA with a parachute for 100k, others might jump at the chance to buy a share and have a brand new plane.
@@DanFrederiksen
Thank you so much Dan for taking your precious time and explaining in detail.
I get the picture now. Newer LSA are capable than older models + running costs also need to be taken into consideration.
Thanks again 👍 😊