City Fan Claims Pep Is A Better Manager Than Sir Alex Ferguson | Agree To Disagree |
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- In this FA Cup Final special episode of Agree To Disagree, Man City fan Lawrence 'Buvey' Bury tells Man United fan Adam McKola why he thinks Pep Guardiola is a better manager than Sir Alex Ferguson ever was.
The rivals debate the biggest arguments between the two clubs ahead of the first ever Manchester derby FA Cup Final, including:
- Which team will lift the trophy?
- Will United be City's biggest Premier League title challengers next season?
- Would any United players make City's starting XI?
01:10 No United Players Would Get Into City's Starting XI
03:37 City Will Never Be As Big A Club As United
05:53 Pep Guardiola Is A Better Manager Than Sir Alex Ferguson
09:41 United Will Be City's Biggest Title Challengers Next Season
11:38 City Will Win The Champions League Before United Win Their Next PL Title
13:52 This City Side Is The Best In Premier League History
16:09 Winning The FA Cup Is No Longer A Major Achievement For a Big 6 Club
16:50 Both FA Cup Semi-Finals Should Not Be Played At Wembley
18:00 United Will Win The FA Cup This Season
19:05 City Will Win The Treble This Season
Thanks to Lawrence and Adam for taking part:
Lawrence: @Buvey
Adam: @AdamMcKola
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Thanks to Lawrence and Adam for taking part:
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Lawrence 😂
Man City fans have no logic of football at all
@@bigpoppaHH69 😂😂
😂🎉
@@bigpoppaHH69 that's his name...
“marcus rashford would get in”
“yeah he’d get in the stadium”😂😂😂
Southgate picked Bambi over Rashford in the World cup and France bummed us. The French were scared of Rashford and didn't want him to play. But Southgate played favourites with Bambi becuse he plays for City. saying Bambi is better is just the strongest bias I've ever seen and quite embarrassing really😂 the proof is there.
@@Nelson890 im a lfc fan but sounds like city or this “bambi” fella live in ur head rent free
Casemiro would get in easily he is too good to leave out of a squad.
(actually, never mind he just doesn't fit in the city squad)
@@warcriment7298 you could slot Casemiro in any team in the world and he would start. Lisandro could also get in that City team
@@MM-jc7uv over who because Rodri is the best CDM itw at the moment and there's no way Martinez is getting even in our u-23's
Thanks for having me, even if I had to sit opposite Buvey! 😂
Glory glory Man Utd
Deluded rag
Blud you literally sit next to him AND rory
🤝 look forward to the next one!
You fail every time to interject and put forth the best argument in these debates.
This was surprisingly civil and constructive!! Great chemistry between these two!
They have a podcast together hence the civil conversation, this would have been a lot more heated if they hadn’t a friendship already
Lmao LADbible are trash for not saying they work together in The Club
UEFA ban City,show 0 Proof
Howard Webb named Chief Referee
When City go after Utd 3peat
Rashford Offside allowed Vs City
Establishment to let City win Treble,Establishment to VARcically rob City of Treble?🤔
Yeah if you liked this - go watch the club
They should start a podcast
“Casemiro has more Champions League than your club.” He’s won more Champions leagues than your club too Adam lad
But he plays for our club. You really thought you did something 😂
Paul scholes and ryan giggs have more premier leagues than your club, any rebuttal to that? Just admit you’re way smaller and are victims
@@Johndoe-gf7eu
You know it’s funny, every single United fan I’ve spoken to about the cup final tomorrow have been more focused on the fact that they can stop City winning the treble rather than thinking about the jubilation of winning it themselves. You can call City smaller all you want, it’s quite clear that they’ve built a club now that can fight United toe to toe in every single department, both in a performance-based and commercial sense. There’s no reason why City can’t be the bigger club in ten years time if they continue on the trajectory they are currently.
@@Johndoe-gf7eu united fans trying to claim casemiro's achievements as their own is pathetic
@@seventeenseconds1698 Indeed bro, who is going to contest Man City in the next 5 years?
I remember when Buvey was just the windup merchant guest on the Kick Off and to see him go from that to being on the Overlap and Ladbible in the space of a year is a very impressive achievement. Fair play to him
hes still just a windup merchant. I doubt he believes half the things he says. A master of his trade
@@Yasser-hy8tn hey at least he’s funny 🤣
Buvey is an original from 90min Football
@@ramprasad_vI used to hate him on 90 min, before I understood what he’s about.
He’s actually great though
Yeah I didn't like him, but now I think he's alright.
The banter between Buvey and Adam is just iconic
"Messi's never been at the same level since Guardiola left" Lol my man Buvey has $hit in his brains!
Both are obviously biased but Buvey talks utter nonsense more often than not. Loves to stir the pot
@@hooky17 your deffo a united fan
It’s difficult to be more of a clown than Buvey but somehow Adam manages it
@@GuinessOriginal Nope, what did McKola say that was wrong?
"He'd get in the stadium" 😂😂
Savage..dunno what adám was thinking
I have missed these fan debates so much!!
Buvey and Adam great combo as always😅
What Ferguson did at Aberdeen is bigger than anything he did at Manchester United. To dethrone Rangers and Celtic is something that has not been done since, not to mention winning the cup winners cup, being the last club to beat Real Madrid in a European final.
So he did it once, ONCE and that's unbelievable? Roberto Di Matteo won the champions league as a manager. Is he unbelievable too?
@@jefferytay3225yes
Cup winners cup=Europa cup
@@luminaryofthestars2141 great! Happy to hear your so easily satisfied. Enjoy being mediocre for the rest of your life! Loads of love bro
@@jefferytay3225 thanks homie❤
"They will not remember us for the trophies, but the way we played." - Pep after winning the 2011 Champions League Final.
he was right. the 2011 final his a reference in terms of how football is supposed to be played
Litterally my Nan could've won with that barca side, he needs money to succeed period he cannot build a team like great managers a la fergie, Wenger, klopp, mourinho PERIOD
@@MoejiiOsmanTV Hence why Barcelona didn't win for years after Pep left.
@@MoejiiOsmanTV Its not that he won it all. He upended the game completely while winning it all.
Pep is to football what IPhone is to mobile phones. Mobile phones exist in two distinct eras, before and after IPhone. Similarly football exists in 2 distinct eras, Before Pep's Barca and after Pep's Barca.
Pep's influence on the game is global. From Sunday League to Premier League, from Under 7 to Over 65, from North Pole to South Pole, they are all trying to emulate Pep's style and philosophy. This level of impact makes him sit on the same table as Arrigo Sacchi, Johan Cryuff, Rinus Michels and Herbert Chapman and all.
There is a winner for every competition every year. But those who change the game come once a decade.... if it is a good decade. That is what Pep is.
Yes, we remember that great Barcelona side for winning those 2 UCLs only thanks to the help of the referees. Without the help of the refs, Pep would have 0 UCLs (2009 Chelsea scandal and 2011 Arsenal scandal).
Damn, this was a good debate. I wish all fans were this open and honest. Yes, there were some bias in their remarks but on the whole; neither seemed deluded and a really good discussion with great points on both sides. Fair play to both
I totally love this format! Lowkey reminds me of little banter debates I used to have with my City ex back in the days, as a die hard United fan. Objectivity seldom left the room hahah! Have a good derby everyone
It's funny how they try to say that Pep only wins through his players like Messi or the splendid midfield. A quick reminder: The season prior were third, haven't won anything in three years, Messi also was plagued with injuries. Xavi and Iniesta didn't work on the pitch together and so more. Pep makes the best out of their players, we judge their work with our perception when we should do it with the perception at the time, for example Iniesta in the 2008 Ballon d'or was nomination only had 3 Barcelona players, Eto'o, Messi, and Xavi (no Iniesta), or his appointment was very controversional, the majority here wanted Jose Mourinho, and the press went at him like crazy, Guardiola also took with him a player he coached in the third division to make competence to Yaya Toure whose position was indisputed, the name of the player was Sergio Busquets.
LOL you act like that Barcelona team were like the Aberdeen team or United team that did NOT win any title for 20 years.
The fact is while Barcelona came third before Pep joined, that same team still reached the UCL semi-final. That same team of players he inherited were already ELITE WINNERS (Puyol Xavi Valdes Eto'o Iniesta Messi Marquez had all won the UCL with Barcelona 2 years before Pep). Puyol Iniesta Xavi Valdes also won the Euro 2008 with Spain a month before Pep took over. So these players were already ELITE WINNERS.
Barcelona media is known to blow things out of proportion BUT All Pep did was sell Ronaldinho and Deco and promoted Busquets. That's not the same as re-building an entire dynasty at Aberdeen and Man United.
@@shahzadirani They were as elite players as you could find in any top team, my point is what he did was enhance what he previously had, just as I think players like Gundogan, Stones, Cancelo etc... may never achieved the heights they reached, same as Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Messi (keeping the distance of course). Every time someone talks about Pep's Barça they put all the merit on the players that formed the team, but what I want to pount out is that the brilliance of the player was in part also thanks to the sistem Pep made them play in. I've seen countless bad teams formed of excellent players, but never an excellent team conformed of bad players, a good coach can create a great team that will lead to great players be created.
Facts and the crazy thing is Barca haven’t been as dominant since he left. Yes they won a treble again in 2015 but they had to use the individual brilliance of the best front trio (MSN) to achieve that. And seasons prior winning that and teams were somewhat able to neutralize them by being really defensive and isolating them they weren’t able to build on that treble
So are we really going to credit the players more than pep ?
It’s a myth to say that pep walked in to the greatest Barca side ever when the season before he took over, Barca were third and 18 points behind Madrid. Underperforming not winning anything in two seasons prior to pep coming in
That team had already won the ucl, messi was already a top 3 player and players like xavi, iniesta, etoo... were already in their prime, so yes, he walked into the greatest group of players Barça ever had.
Cause madrid is the only real threat to the title in that 2 team league
same team which had won the league and champions league couple of years back? if I recall there were huge injury issues with that team before Pep took over!
@@guilhermevieira6010 udk football kid
They won a Treble 2015 when he wasn't there. He was lucky
Saying "Messi has not been at the same level since Guardiola left Barcelona" is laughable. Messi has won a champions league with Barcelona under Luis Enrique and has won copa america, finalissima and a world cup under Lionel Scaloni and different teams. He is the most talented player I have seen in my life.
agree everything but edit out that finalissima 😏😏
If Pep continued his manager job at Barcelona, Messi would have won more.
Prime Messi was during pep so…?
@@David-qy7sb As a lifelong Barca fan, this is sadly true
@@LAGxZombifiedDebatable. Prime goalscoring Messi, but he’s become a better playmaker post Pep.
People ALWAYS forget the 3 foreigners rule on English clubs in the 90's. That and the ban of English teams in Europe for a few seasons hindered United massively.
the 99 United team and this current man city team both have 7 englishmen in the squad
It hindered Liverpool more than Man Utd, in a way it actually helped Man Utd cause Liverpool stop dominating and they came up
Stam
Yorke
Johnsen
Schmeichel
Blomqvist
That’s 5 non British players
Ferguson took pep to dinner years ago in an attempt to convince him to take over man united after he left in 2013, pep respectfully declined as he knew he would always be in sir Alex's shadow and wanted to create his own legacy. Peps the best manager of his generation by far but better than ferguson overall nah, freguson built successful teams time and time again using a lot of below par players.
i dont think so pep asked the accountants
below par players? Rooney, Van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, Keane, Beckham, Schmeichel and Scholes don't sound like below par, just to name a few
Fergie had referees on texting terms. They helped him by not giving penalties against United and gave spurious penalties against rivals like Arsenal. When Moyes took over one referee gave three penalties against United at home and one referee remarked that would never have happened during Fergie's time. United was the only team which could afford better players . Pep is better and will surpass Fergie by the time he retires
tactically i think no one is better than pep in this generation, hes just a genius.
@@sweenbean18 oshea, cleverly, anderson, fltecher, jones, smalling...
2:13 "He's got more champions leagues than your club", well he has more UCL than his club also 😂😂
Am I the only person who is buzzin when I see that Gary posts a new video?! Another great video, thanks for sharing your knowledge!!
Buvy said "bang average he is 88th minute player"😂😂😂
Two actual mates, on opposite sides of the Manchester debate. One of the better episodes.
This is about the forth time in as many months this question has been debated. For me though its always sir Alex. What he did at Aberdeen was phenomenal, after he left the have not done anything. He made UTD a powerhouse again and sustained that for so long. Again when he left that last title winning team struggled. Pep is also great and has taken his team and the game to another level, but for me its just not quite the same. Not much in it though, both amazing.
Could say that Peps influence is greater. There's a reason that Spain won World Cup and Euros when he managed barcelona, Germany won World Cup when he managed there and England have done alot better since he's been here.
And the teams he managed continued to win after he was there. There's alot to say there about his influence
@@Munchman1 tbh it's both Pep and Klopp made England played better, they brought a new way of doing football in the country
@@Munchman1, nah without Fergie the premier league is not the richest and most popular league in the world
@@amroge8703 exactly without united or maybe Liverpool the premier league wouldn't have been as big as it is today
Claudio Ranieri with leicester more phenomenal than SAF Aberdeen
Salute to LADbible, @adammckola big up The Club, we seen the quality of the banter and actual football talks these two have between em.. Honestly love Buvey his quirky BS as a city fan is funny to watch but at the end he is honest even when it comes to United.. Adam has really grown into a great host and conversationalist with Buvey and Rory.. Love and Peace on your journey lads all the way from Cape Town South Africa.
A man from Bristol and a man from Birmingham put up as the spokespeople as the clubs fans to debate Manchester United and Manchester City really does some their fan bases 😂
This current City team is the best team ive ever seen play. If we win the treble itll fuel the derby given they will be the only 2 teams to win the treble. Also a reminder when Pep came to the league he changed English football. Made every team reevaluate their style of play
I’m still taking 20/21.. if Pep didn’t mess up the UCL final, they’d be remembered as one of the greatest team ever
Bcuz ur young. The 2005 AC milan squad that Liverpool somehow beat in Istanbul was arguable the greatest club side ever assembled world class international in ever position r, only squad comparable to the greatest club side ever which was 2011 barcelona..City don't have world class internationals in every position they just have 2 squads that can rotate unlike everyone else in the epl bcuz of money and are nowhere near those two squads
I'm not a united fan but effing Clough changed English football, shankly changed English football, MOURINHO AND WENGER CHANGED ENGLISH FOOTBALL...FOR GOODNESS SAKES EVERY TEAM IN THE EPL COPIED KLOPPS pressing counter attack once he arrived and dismantled teams with shite squads his first year..pep and city are robotic and Boeing to watch as a neutral nobody I've seen in n the league tries to play like them bcuz u need a ridiculous ammount of patience and a kdb like player to achieve it where as klopp philosophy can be done by anyone same with mourinho defensive style of play with discipline
2015 barca would smoke this city team
Looking forward to us smashing Man Utd 😂 Enjoyed this thanks for having me on 👍
we are winning lad
Manchester is red 🔴
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@@honestmanutdfan603 👹👹👹👹👹
You're about to find out that league Man Utd and cup Man Utd this season are two VERY different animals and I'm gonna enjoy watching you make excuses when we 3-1 you like we did everyone else in the FA cup 😂
Love it when one of them is real and doesn't just back their club and sees facts
Ferguson did it with 7 academy lads and spent barely any money
Actually quite good , and tbf the pep being better than sir alex is getting stronger
The only arguement we agree on that Ferguson is a better ''PREMIER LEAGUE'' manager. Pep is already left him behind in his 4th season bro. You guys keep saying farmers league check what premier league was back then. He created the greatest team ever. Period. Pep above all.
How has he left ferguson behind, he still needs to win 8 more titles to even match fergusons 13 😂also ferguson is the most successful manager of all time. Pep is about 20 trophies off him. Cry more and cope
@@Johndoe-gf7eu it's not about if pep would win but more about if he wants to win😂 Pep would crash fergie's record if he decided to stay without any doubt. But if he wants to go somewhere else then SAF will be saved😅
@@Johndoe-gf7eupep has nearly as many trophies and already more CLs and more trebles in like half the seasons. He's sooooo clear. Fergie took like 100 years to win that lmao
I'm a Utd fan and can admit Pep's Barca sides are the best club sides I've ever seen. Man City are a different beast. They're a machine that's been designed from the ground up with infinite funds to to have the infrastructure, recruitment, backroom staff and coaches at a level where they're capable of hitting 100 points a season. It's hugely impressive how they play and what they've done the past few years in particular but they're setup to do just that and it should be expected. That's why IF they complete the treble it's not going to be anywhere near as impressive as when Utd did it. Nobody was expecting us to have an exceptional season, we had a bunch of homegrown talent and didn't have a £100m striker, £100m winger etc. City should have won the CL a few times already and it's just not going to be as impressive if they do the treble. They might be a better side than our 99 team but it won't be as much of an achievement, how can it be when City have such an expensive squad and everything in place to allow them to compete year after year with no need to have a year or two out whilst they rebuild?
I hear you...but money wise....UTD are probably closest to city...you guys can also get whichever striker you want....sooo many wasted talents. Look at their most important players like Gundo, kdb etc...none of them were ridiculous fees. They spend their funds very well. Almost no flops. Sooo...United fukd up if you ask me. Bit similar to Chelsea. Clubs like Ars and Liverpool have really done well with their limited funds.
Doesnt matter its still a treble, but no one can go a prem season unbeaten apert from you no who
@@jagjit4001 Arsenal's invincible season is a weird one. It's cool on paper but their points total wouldn't have been enough to win the league against these Man City sides, or recent Liverpool for that matter. It's a nice thing for Arsenal fans to have but it's nothing like doing a treble. I'd rather have three major trophies and lose a few league games than obsess about not losing a league game
@@jasonazyu9677 you're not wrong, Utd have spent money so, so badly for ten years now. But that's because the moron owners have no interest in running the club to be successful. You need the entire club to be setup to win from top to bottom, exactly like City have been doing. Look at Newcastle, richer than City but I doubt they'll do 100 points a season. Hated to see it but Liverpool winning the league was pretty special, yeah they spent money but they didn't have the squad depth to match City
@@endlessmotion2255 Going a full season unbeaten in the League is almost impossible. The treble has been done by few teams at the top level. That is why it's is so impressive.
Pep completely outplayed SAF's Manchester United in 2 champions league finals, one of which had SAF shaking and trembling his hands. To get a manager to do that, is practically unheard of. Considering how dominant Pep's Barcelona was, Pep is definitely a better manager than SAF.
Yes but it is must be said that Messi made SAF tremble not Pep 😅 The Greatest Player Of All Time can do that to a man.
Beating someone in two one off games isn't proof of anything.
If Sir Alex was managing today he would evolve and find a way to overcome City. He did it every time someone turned up and thought they were special.
Barca shouldn't of even been in that 2009 final, if it hadn't of been for a corrupt bribed ref then it would of been chelsea in that final, how pep kept a straight face when being interviewed after I will never know
@@adamstudley8832 Admit it lmao pep smoked him twice then the aguerooooooo lmao he had him on strings snap out of ur delusion 😭
@@2g772 Pep wasn't the City manager the season you're talking about you absolute cretin
Wish I had the same confidence as Buvey for the way he answers every question 🤣🤣🤣
I agree, Pep never got sacked by St Mirren 😁, + Pep's Barcelona battered Ferguson's Man Utd in 2 Finals.
Pep has done it all with great teams. Fergie did the European cup winners cup with Aberdeen. Also that team that won the 20th title for Fergie wouldn't have done that with any other manager I think
Pro’s teams outside of Bayern was not great, before Pep got there.
this is stupid logic. "messi is not world class because he hasnt won anything with stoke" shut up.
Bayern barca and now man city
The great teams want him for a reason
he didnt win the European Cup he won the European Cup winners Cup, two different trophys
A very nice debate. Good job guys
Respect here is palpable. Hopefully the fans on Saturday behave as respectfully as these two.
These two have great chemistry, should do a podcast or something together
Whoever decided to have this debate before the city finals needs sacking
Messi won the treble after Pep left, how was he not better when Pep left?
Messis absolute prime was with pep and that's a fact.
@@DrBased123 better goalscorer with pep, became a better overall player when he won the treble
Barca best period under Pep
Messi 90 goals under Pep
Messi best period under Pep
Pep carried by Messi/Barca?🤔
@@DrBased123No it isn’t. If you’re a casual you’ll look at his goal-scoring numbers per year and say that but his overall game was better in 2015 compared with 2012.
Messi also had his 2 best scoring seasons after Pep, however Pep’s Barcelona was the best team Messi has ever played in
“He hasn’t won a champions league without Messi.”
Nice to see a sensible debate for a change
Great chemistry between these two, they should start a podcast together
they do called The Club
MrBean that’s the joke bro
“You need multiple teams to be in a title race to win the league against city…”
Ummmm. Remind me of the last time someone other then city won the title and how many other teams were in said title race… 🤦♂️
I see your new to football TH-cam , forget articulating cogent arguments, just make shit up 👍
That liverpool team was perfect.
Next season no other team(except city) will be as good. So, a little help from other teams will be very important.
So Buvey really sat there and 1:38 off hand said that Rashford wouldn’t be in the starting XI when they literally suffered years and years with Sterling in the same position. Absolutely bollocks
@@Dantez77 Raheem been ass though. I think he is still somewhere in Aaron Wan Bissaka’s pockets. Also barely did shit when it counted in FIFA last year when they had a chance to bring football home. I’d rather have Marcus and Kane work together on the pitch than Raheem Shitling. You mad?!
I think I'll agree with Buvey here.
SAF was a great manager, easily one of the greatest. But Pep has managed the best ever club team in Barca, and built the best ever EPL team in City.
That's gotta mean something.
SAF couldn't find a way around Barcelona using Pep's system, and there's a chance he would have felt the same playing Pep's Man City.
Still doesn’t change the fact that sir alex always gets voted as number 1 in all sports magazines. Even rinus michaels is better than pep😂😂cry more
What people dont remember is the team Pep inherited was also full of world class players and with one of the GOATS! that side had won the league and CL few years ago and had talented players all around, but that being said Pep really took off with that side and made them untouchable!
Sir Alex couldnt find a way around that team because that team was genuinely out of the world, with some of the best players we have seen play the game,
Mourinho beat peps barca with inter it doesn’t make him a better manager😂bros using one off cup games as a gauge for who’s better. Bless you
@@Johndoe-gf7eu
Brilliant. If City win the treble this year I’m sure that every City fan will still be crying because Match of the Day magazine said he was the third best manager of all time.
@@Johndoe-gf7eu lol "cry more". What a wet little boy you are 😂.
I'm a long time Manchester United fan.
Why would I want Pep to be the best? 🤦🏾♂️
John Doe with a dead opinion 😂
As a kid in Australia I remember the FA Cup being the biggest games in Football.
WC and UCL is the biggest
He normally annoys me but he is funny Although didn’t expect him to say that the 99 team would still be better and the 08 also the fact he’s disagreeing with the treble
Adam saying Casemiro got more ucls than City, he’s got more than united as well 🤣🤣
im a 1 minute in and this man said he would take grealish over rashford, im turning this shit off
Total waffle to dismiss The Invincibles. I'm not saying they were the best side ever but no one else has repeated it since. That makes them top 3 prem sides of all time AT LEAST
1. City under Pep
2. United under Fergie
3. Liverpool under Klopp
How can you not think of a team who dominated from august to may, Liverpool done it 3 years ago 🤣
People need to stop comparing players and managers from different times. The game keeps changing, and so does the money within the game.
Been waiting months for these vids
Why is a Bristol city fan talking about Manchester city?
I thought it was a devon accent at first😂😂is it bristol? 😂what a plastic. Shameless. I hope he knows city fans from manchester hate plastics😂😂
Knowing McKola's attitude and Buvey's trolling, this was actually very nice to watch
What a debate..
Brilliant
15:47 - Liverpool in 2019/20 won their first 27/28 matches (and drew the other game). That's statistically the best start to a season in the history of Europe's top-flight leagues.
They won 26/28
@@MCFCReacts I think the only non-win was the 1-1 to MUTD. Did you check?
@@doctornov7 they lost 3-0 to Watford
@@MCFCReacts Yes, but I’m pretty sure that was Gameweek 29. Was it not? Let me check.
@@MCFCReacts It was in MW 28, so the record I meant to say was 26/27 wins, 1 draw.
Although Pep is probably the 2nd best manager of all time, it took the best player in football history for him to secure 1 champions league (messi) and he has never won it since even after spending a billion whereas fergie chopped and changed several sides and still won it twice with another couple of finals missed out on aswell. Fergie for me (Arsenal fan)
He wasn't the best player until Pep took over and put him in a system to make him thr best player.
@Russell ward Clearly your not familiar with football. Messi was already head and shoulders above his "La Massia" team mates in the Barcelona academy so his natural talent and his quick feet and astonishing dribbling was already there to see. Gardiola took note and upgraded him to the first team because his talent was undeniable even at that young age, yes Pep obviously gave him a pointer or 2 and made him adapt to Barcelona's tiki taka system but don't act like if Pep wasn't there and they had another manager that Messi would turn out to be Peter Crouch. Your just kidding yourself.
@@extricos still he did improve Messi and laid his foundation. Pep making Messi is definitely far more true than saying SAF made Ronaldo.
@@russellward4624 mate, Messi was gonna be the greatest player of all-time regardless of who was managing him. You could see it in him even before Pep came in from like 2006-2008 that he was something special
@@MM-jc7uv so why wasn't he before Pep took over? Why wasn't the team built around him?
Adam has a point as does Buvey with regards to "luck" in the Champions League. United were arguably one of the best teams in Europe in 1997 and we lost 2-0 to Dortmund over 2 legs and they beat a supreme Juventus side in the final. Champions League always has this potential to be spawny.
The greatest club side ever 2005 AC MILAN EVER assembled arguably with the 2011 barca squad Yyet Istanbul proved the ucl isn't gauranteed and why it's the greatest ucl final ever but the greatest comeback in football EVER
What about winning the league with 79 points in that year?!?..including 13 draws..you would struggle with a top 4 spot with those points nowadays..
@@samkhan5661 Man United only lost 4 games in all competitions that season. The league was also harder back then. City have lost 6 this season and are playing in much weaker European competition.
I've always been a huge opponent of judging teams on cup competitions. It's easy to say "they should've won the UCL", but in any given year there are a dozen teams that "should be able to win".
If you look at any given team, zero in on their performance, it will look absolutely miserable. Juventus, Atleti, AC Milan, Dortmund, Spurs, PSG, Lyon - they've all had teams that were capable of winning the UCL in recent memory, but none of them have in a good while. Ferguson only won it twice at United while similarly dominating the league.
The thing is, it's easy to judge a team as failures when you ignore the nature of the competition. One bad game from you or one good game from your opponent in any stage can mean you're knocked out. And you're playing against literally the best teams in Europe, so there's no such thing as a free lunch.
I'm not saying I hate cup competitions, but there's an inherent sense of luck involved in a sport like football, where you could play the same game on a different day and get a different result, when knockouts are involved.
people saying casemiro and varane having more ucl's than man city is flawed as they have more than man utd as well
I agree with Buvey that in 20-30 years it would be possible for City to create a legacy similar to Man Utd BUT will Pep stay for 20 odd years like SAF did. Prob not and any manager after Pep is step down
Way less than that. Pep wins trophies at a higher rate than saf.
@@spa2damax He’d still have to stay on for another 8-10 years and continuing winning at this high rate just to match SAF’s PL Record. Hard ask for a manager that doesn’t usually stick around long
@@daany8700 it's stupid to say he needs to match the number of PLs to have a similar or better legacy. If he stays an another 5 years and wins 3 more PL and maybe another CL I'd comfortably call him the best ever in the PL. He's already the greatest ever for me.
Nothing he can do about not managing smaller sides. People don't give him credit for managing at the highest levels for his entire career and making it all look easy.
@@spa2damax That still means Pep would have to stay 5 more years & win another 3 out of those 5. That is a tough ask and also, it’s unlikely he will stay 5 more years after already spending 6/7
Should of got Andy Tate vs Buvey
Pep never won a ucl without messi
Adam just dropped beautiful fact to shut buvey up
Sir alex won it twice . Pep won it twice beating sir alex . Just proves who is better. Also messi has won only 1 after pep . According to your logic messi should win every ucl if he was the only reason
@@grealish2234 just cause saf lost 2 ucl finals again pep doesn't mean he's better
Pep lost ucl final against tuchel, does that make him better than pep?
Messi won it twice without pep
Also 2019 messi is greater than any messi version under pep cause he was carrying a deadass team all the to the semi finals and la liga win
Makes a change seeing a Southern City fan
City are a better team, and have been a number of years but they just arent as glamorous in terms of the history and the culture of Man United
sometimes i remember this is man utd what we're talking about here, like machester united!!
the united of the 90s and early 2000's this united i mess this team
even in 2013
sadly united is just a name, they aren't what they used to be
SAD
hope united can be a force, man childhood these guys were truly MANCHESTER UNITED!!!
man if there is a tear that went down your cheecks like and hopefully united will rise again!!!
A question I have to ask the brits here is this; what's with the fascination with wanting your club to be percieved as a 'bigger club' than someone else's? I'm a foreign fan of Liverpool, but if a Manchester United or Real Madrid fan told me their club was 'bigger' than Liverpool, I'd be like "yeah? I agree, and what's your point?" Why do people care so much whos club is considered 'bigger' than another club?
Also just fyi, I find both Buvey and Mckola to be massively entertaining and like them both.
Bragging rights, tribalism and pride of one's club.
@@ryancarlo9328 it's just a card they pull out because there respective clubs aren't at the top anymore, more out of desperation in a debate if anything.
@@funnyfuse3869 Not a fair answer because clubs like Liverpool and United will brag about being the biggest clubs in England when their at the top. But clubs like Newcastle and Leeds and Everton do sometimes do that for that reason.
@@funnyfuse3869 buvey couldn’t say anything back tho. For city fans to still admit united are a bigger club hurts them deeply. They know they will never overtake us
@@ryancarlo9328 yeah I get that what I mean is when it's "yeah but we are a bigger club" they never used that when they were at the top.
Should've got Goldbridge for this
"i'd get him a ticket" course Buvey would so many empty seats
Jose Mourinho also won many things but he is not consistent with a team . The people argue that Mourinho love challenges is to hide the fact that he never wanted challenge to go to ROMA he was just sacked so he went with the only available option On the other hand Pep don't go to any team , Big team come to Pep . Why big club if given opportunity want to hire pep like let's ask generally because he know what's need to be done to built a team that play a style of football & he also know the art of choosing .
Ferguson won a European cup with Aberdeen……. Conversation over
He didn't, he won the equivalent of Europa League back then
@@RafPos13yes
this United fan is so delusional saying Marcus Rashford, hes one of uniteds worst player. Casemiro, Eriksen, Varane, martinez, Luke Shaw get in City team maybe not start but Rashford hell nah
Old Whiskey noes in the background has held the Mancs back for a decade ,and its beautiful to watch.👹
Not a fan of either. You cant be bigger than Man U just on that 90's squad. Coming through the ranks is far better than buying established pros.
Casimero has more champions lague than man united as well but adam won't mention that 🤣🤣🤣
@@RRR-vr7cdwhat a way to deflect facts 🤣 you definitely trained on that urinated fool 🤡
This man city fan saying that Messi has been not the same since pep guardiola left there my bro you are absolutely wrong Messi has been the same since he started playing football even he showed every body last world that Messi is still the best player in the world football and I believe Messi is better than everyone in the right now
Fergie spent 26 seasons at Utd yet only won 2 C/Ls
Pep been slated since he arrived at city for not winning 1 in 7 seasons.
Pep will be remembered for his Barca and City teams.
Fergie never evolved the game.
Both up there with Paisley and Clough, but Paisley won 19 trophies in only 9 seasons, 3 of them were European cups, Cloughie won back to back European cups.
Cloughie was the greatest man manager.
8:01 United actually spent more than us the season we won the premier league in 1994/95 as you broke the british spending record for andy cole in January 💰
This isn’t going to age well for the losing side 😂
Man Utd fans thinking rashford is world-class is a joke😂
@Hayden Redwood grealish is an unbelievable player tho
@@footnow2845 Martial has more goals than 100 million grealish this season and Martial has been injured for like 3/4 of the season, hes not unbelievable, hes just great at winning set pieces thats about it, one of the most overrated player
Grealish is foul wining 100 million pound hair cut
@@waynerooney8311safe to say you don’t watch city matches at all
@@faruq2588 don't need to, if man united spends 100 million for a player and that player has like 5 goals this season, you would be sitting here trolling man united and that player even if that was grealish, you would, so use the same energy here, 100 million for a guy with 5 goals a season is poor
ferguson did it over thirty plus years taking three teams from nothing to great heights,often winning major honours with average teams. Peps only been managing 15. comeback in 15 plus years🤣🤣🤣🤣
Luke shaw has been so underrated this premier league!! He has replaced harry maguire!! Playing first choice cb when Martinez was injured and also has been a great LB !! Credit should be given where it's been due!!
I think pep is slightly better bcoz he has won league titles in 3 different leagues , he beat sir Alex man u teams in two champions league finals
The only thing I would say about Sir Alex is what was Manchester United like before and after Sir Alex joined
Tuchel beat pep doesn’t mean hes better
Mourinho beat pep with inter
you're right sir Alex could never win a league with Barca with Messi and could never win a league with Bayern
@@Johndoe-gf7eu Barca dominated almost the whole game in the 2 finals sir Alex teams couldn't catch them , Mourinho and tuchel won by lucky goals and then park the bus that's not football according to me
Buvey hasn't always been a city fan..
He probably supported Chelsea 5 years ago. He's what you call a weatherman!!! And that carrot cruncher accent is a disgrace!!!
It's actually funny how people are seriously debating this. Pep has probably spent 5-7 times what furgeson has just to be less successful. And that's not even considering the 100+ violations and the few hundred million off the book payments made by city. Even at barcelona pep benefited from under table payments to refs.
Look the guy is definitely good and probably in the top 5 best managers of all time. But for the love God, he isn't half the manager furgeson was. He knows it and everyone who is serious about football does. Only recent casuals (basically city or barca fans) believe he's better.
It’s a lot easier having a philosophy and having the chance to jump ship when teams are in an up cycle. Sir Alex stayed with one club and built those cycles. Not to mention the best team in Europe at the time when he was manager was Bayern and he didn’t do anything that was not unordinary but champions league he failed
No he stayed at a team in a permanent up cycle that had a financial dominance over everyone else. Pep didn't do anything that wasn't ordinary? Bayern had onky won the league once in the previous 3 seasons. He won the league every year by double digits.
Love how when city fans argue pep is better then Ferguson they go straight to the point of Peps Barca rather than his city team and what he’s done in the premier league
Ya cause we arguing the total career of pep . Peps barca beat sir allez twice in ucl finals . That itself should be good enough proof that sir alex isn't better . Also peps city is better than any united side ever. Sir alex never got routinely 90 points like pep sides do
@@grealish2234SAF had to compete with Jose and Arsene at their best and even the likes of Dagleish. Pep has only had Klopp. As for Utd v Barca seem to remember Scholes strike putting Barca out of CL. Pep went to Bayern the treble winners and left them not the treble winners. He goes to City recent PL winners backed by an State (currently contesting 115 charges, oh and he said he would leave if they lied to him) and he builds on the success with an open cheque book having also inherited world class players. He is a great coach of good/great players but wonder how he would do at Reading, Majorca, Bergamot, etc.
@@lawmantheonetrueking3739 just shows your knowledge really . Scholes knocked out barca but it wasn't coached by pep . Also city was not the pl champions when pep took over city . You are salty cause your team couldn't get a sniff around peps barca in both ucl finals. There are levels to the game and united couldn't get near peps barca
@@grealish2234 ole beat pep fraudiola more times than anyone else. Ole is goat!
lol great to see these 2 together again
They have a great podcast for some months with Rory, called the Club, check it out.
It always stings when it's one of your closest mates
•Shaw and Rashford get into city’s XI.
•Manchester City can become as big as Manchester United. It will take several champions leagues and 10 or so more domestic leagues though. And also more domestic cups.
•Sir Alex Ferguson is the better manager but Pep is the better coach.
•I think manchester united will be city’s biggest challengers. I can see a spending spree for united this summer and Arsenal risk falling off.
•I think city will win this CL so yes they’ll win it before united’s next PL.
•This current man city team definitely isn’t the best side in premier league history - in terms of all of premier league points, starting XI, squad, trophies etc. but it’s up there.
•Winning the FA Cup is still a major achievement for a big 6 club. Yes the FA Cup isn’t what it used to be (most clubs play second XIs until the latter stages) but it’s up there with the biggest football trophies in the world.
•Yeah Wembley shouldn’t be used for both semifinals. At least one should be in the north.
•I think man city will win the FA Cup. Barely. Could go to extra time.
•I think man city will win the treble. But united and inter are definitely good enough to beat them.
Clubs Pep managed so far
1 Barca ( with Messi , Xavi , Iniesta )
2 Bayern Munich
3 Mancity ( when they already had all top players )
If he is able to repeat that success with a bottom side & bring it to Top like Sir Alex then only he can be compared .
Barca B
Barca with Messi etc.. that finished 3rd in a 2 team league.
Bayern that had only won the league once in the previous 3 seasons.
City that finished 4th on goal difference and had Wilfred Bony, Jesus Navas, 4 30+ FBs, Demichelis, Mangala,.. not had all top players.
When you've done world class at every job you've been at, you deserve the best jobs. Crazy how people think he's somehow worse and he needs to manage Luton Town to prove himself or something
Grealish is only world class at partying and driving drunk 😂 Buvey cracks me up
Still being a grealish hater is the greatest test for awful football knowledge in 2023
@@spa2damax Please explain to me how I'm a hater. Thinking Grealish is world class is delusional. He's good but he's not world class
@@purplebutterfly314 your hater for taking the piss out of grealish when he's being revelation this season
@@abdirizackaden148 I'm not taking the piss out of Grealish, I'm taking the piss out of Buvey. Learn to read and to spell.
The is not a debate. This is two friends hanging out with some drinks. 🤣🤣🤣
I would absolutely love to sit down and have a quiet pint of wine with Buvey.
Guardiola's 15 years of silverware with Ready Made Teams should NEVER be mentioned in the same breath as over 30 years of Fergie building up teams from scratch and rebuilding them.
"Ready made teams" which is why he spends so much time and money honing his teams to perfection. Also this nonsense idea that United came from nowhere.
How are you going to both say that Pep had it easy because his teams were "pre-built" but also credit Ferguson for "rebuilding"? Real catch-22 logic right there. Ferguson is good because he stayed at the same good team, Pep is worse because he went to different good teams.
@@man4437 Before Fergie joined United they didn't win a League Title for 20 years and then transformed them into a dominant Premier League force. Most managers would have succeeded with prime Xavi, Iniesta and Messi at Barcelona. Just for the record Pep failed at Bayern. No matter what Pep wins with City, his achievements will NEVER be compared to Fergie working Miracles with Aberdeen plus United have crumbled without Fergie.
@@raymondbutler834 bold of you to say that considering Pep is still early in his managerial career. He’s still got potentially 20+ years of managing in him and if he keeps this up he will go down as the greatest easily
He beat ur old hag Head to Head twice in a UCL with team that was made out of more than half of the academy grads then came to ur country made it a farmer's league (money isn't excuse this time since United have more net spend than City during that period too) he pretty much has ur entire fanbase on strings ever since that 2009 final u can cry abt it all u want he won treble with this team too😭🤣
If they were ready made teams why didn't they win nearly as much before him. His record is insane, won 2 trebles in 2 different countries and has almost the same trophies (more CLs) than Fergie in like half the time, plus all his tactical innovations to the game, plus dominating Fergie in 2 finals, proves who is better. It's only nostalgic United fans who refuse to accept it
Its only new supporters that are saying pep is better, what makes SAF superior is that the fact he took Aberdeen from the nowhere to success won then the Scottish league which hadn't been won for 25 years t the time and since SAF left they havent won it again, he got Aberdeen to the Cup winners cup final beating Bayern Munich and Real Madrid in final and winning it. Then leaving for united (which was a he huge as they weren't challenge and struggled for many years) who hadn't won a league title in 30 years at to eventually winning in 92/93 (42 games back then), and go go on to dominate for two decades winning various doubles and a treble along the way and build several championship winning team with money earned via revenue (no sugar daddy!)
Pep as great as he is tactically has never build a team with restricted funding and has always taken over team that were already successful, in my opinion I rateJose a lot higher because hes done both with Porto turning them into a champions league winning side and winning the double in 2003 as well as with inter in 2010. I think based on this there will always be an question mark on pep.
Mourinho won the champions league with Porto. Doesn't make him anywhere near pep though. Pep is the greatest and I don't care what Ferguson won with Aberdeen.
So why cant mourinho win it with star madrid squad chelsea mu tottenham?
Fergie - 13 Titles,2 CL,26yrs
Pep - 11 Titles,2 CL,14yrs
Pep on course to obliterate Fergie
No?🤔
With that logic Maradonna is better than Messi
@@DrBased123 could Pep do anything with a restricted budget though? He said he couldn’t have done what Bielsa did with Leeds
Now all we need is Ty and Mark Goldbridge
Iv gotta lot of time for Adam he speaks well and makes good points, wish we had Adam over robbie at Arsenal
The argument " Pep Is A Better Manager Than Sir Alex Ferguson" I think was said well in a video between Keane and Cara. Pep without a doubt will be the most successive manager ever but he's either been very smart or too safe by doing it with title favorite teams already. He doesn't have the renown for bringing up lesser teams like Aberdeen for Ferg and BVB for Klopp and I think that's the only thing that would ever hold that part of his legacy back with that regard. If he did turn lets say Roma into a beast of a team, I think he could take best manager of all time in all areas. I personally think that If Pep stays in the premier league the same amount as Ferg and does what he's been doing, he will be the greatest ever manager in the prem without question.
City success driven by
20M Gundo,15M Akanji,15M Alvarez
Foden and Rico from Academy
Pep can't win with Small Clubs?🤔
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Have you forgot all the other players. In the 2019 season, only Foden was the first squad player that came from the youth.
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Let's go from position to position. Walker cost 45 million., De Bruyne cost £55 million. Should I go even further?
With that logic Maradonna is greater than Messi
Get out of Tottenham first mate