Breville Barista Touch vs. Oracle Touch
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Omg that rolling feature on the oracle is awesome!! And the front water filling is great. I don’t understand why manufacturers put tanks on the back. Most people will put these under their counter.
Had the Oracle touch now for 3 years still going strong. It is a great machine makes a good coffee and so easy for guest to use. It does precisely what it is designed to do make a good coffee with out a big fuss.
For $2,700 it better be
How's pre-defined amount of ground coffee working out for u? Was it ever an issue: too little/too much?
how is it working now?
Thank you so much for this review. I just brought home my Oracle Touch yesterday, and am so impressed with its quality and performance.
Excellent review of essentially Apples and Oranges, $2,700 .. now you're getting into Profitec Pro 700 or similar bling. The Oracle needs to be priced around the $1K mark...
Hello and great video! Question... on the Oracle Touch when you select single or double, what does that exactly do? Since the grind dose I believe is set (unless i'm mistaken), and say you leave the double portafilter basket in, then what would be the machine be doing different if you selected a single vs a double? Thanks, and thanks for making all the great videos!
I couldn't thank you enough, after year of following your channel, today I finally make the decision to go ahead with the Oracle Touch.
Are you happy with it? I'm trying to decide
Thanks Gail! Great review as usual! Happy New Year 🎊🎆🎈
When using the double basket with the Oracle Touch, do u need to select the double drink selector?
You do a great job at reviews. Thank you. I’ve watched this and another video in full. I’m looking to upgrade from my Jura ena micro 1. My main deciding factor is budget, space, and convenience. I like the fact that the oracle has the sensor built in rather than at the bottom where it can be forgetful overtime and become blind to sensing if you didn’t clean it off.
😮 back p
Do the Barista Touch and Oracle Touch have the same grinder burrs as the Express? Or do they tune them up in some way?
So in terms of customisation for dialling in your coffee, you can adjust grind using the side wheel, and also grind time? I don’t like how it doesn’t measure grind weight into the portafilter but guess it’s not got a scale.
Something I find annoying, if a grind size is adjusted on a grinder, when grinding for a set period of time, less coffee will be in the basket if the grind is fine, in comparison to a coarser grind. The machine I assume would not know this and you would have to increase grind duration to compensate :|
Finally, how does this machine measure the output of the shot? Is it time based (20 second shot for example)? I base my shots on weight/volume (18g dose, 35g yield, aim between 20-30 seconds). This machine can only use the time variable in this and it is the least important factor of the 3.
I own a Rancilio Silvia and am looking to upgrade but the above issues are really important to me.
Hey Gail, thanks so much for this review 👌. I’m now convinced which one I’m gonna go for!
Is there a way to swap in a different bean for one cup? i.e. someone wants a decaf latte
hello from Australia, thinking of getting the barista touch and came across your video. Great review.
What is the maximum cup height this can accommodate?
I just bought the BE880. I think it's fun doing some of the work.
Now thats a Tech review!
Great job!
exactly what I am wondering... thanks
The Oracle, is the grinder improved over the Barista? Does it have a more consistent grind that is, also do you have to dial in the grind on the Oracle? Seems to have settings for grinding so I imagine you do.
Gail what coffee machine do you have at home? Do you have an espresso machine or a filter or both or do you just take what ever is flavour of the month home to test?
Thank you. Great comparison!
Does the SES990 machine have an option of a single basket with about 11 Gram of Coffee?
Very nice description. Thanks
Very good review. Short and clear! Thanks!
Great review!! Thank you 😊
Thank you. Would like to see you make a cup.
Is the grinder the same quality on these? Or does the Oracle provide a more consistent grind?
Is factory pre-defined amount of ground coffee ever an issue: too little/too much?
Great review!
Did you hear about the Scott Slimissimo ??? It ressembles the Jura micro 1 and the price is 399€, +/- $600 I guess.
Great comparison, thank you
Fantastic review! Thank you.
I believe you can control the amount of grind produced on the Oracle Touch by adjusting the burr grinder from the factory preset. You have to remove the grinder, remove the handle, rotate the inner dial to the number you want, replace the handle, then reinsert the grinder.
yeap i stopped watching this after her mistake
Hey, not relevant to the video... but since you guys don't ship to Mexico, does anybody know of anything that offers a similar/any variety of coffee blends that ships to Mexico at a reasonable price?
All I find here is coffee from the same two regions (chiapas/veracruz), I wanna taste something new :(
Can you pls do a review of the barista touch vs. DeLonghi magnifica
I just bought a TOUCH a couple weeks ago. Super simple and great coffee! Best $ I’ve spent (next to a litter robot lol)!
You bought the Touch, not the Oracle? How do you like it? Is is easy to use?
What is the practical difference between making a coffee between them? Obv the tamping which is trivial. But you just can't brew and heat the milk at the same time on the touch?
Very nice review... thank you!
Hi, does the barista touch tell you on the screen/ teach you where/how to set the grind to each drink?
It depends on the beans you use. The manual will tell you what to look at when the coffee pours and how to adjust the grind accordingly. I know it’s been a year since you posted but I had this question before I bought it too.
Nice, thank you!
The grinder is the same?
Amazing video thank u so much
Great review
Is this recommended for a small coffe shop
Great review!!
What the difference in the quality of the coffee these two machines make?
Am I confused but it cost 2600? now what did it always cost that or now it went up?
Thank you great video
The barista touch also doesn't need to be auto on as it is ready to go when you turn it on. Once you hit Brew, it takes 3 seconds for the water to come to temperature vs the Oracle Touch needing some time for both boilers to come to full temp.
That’s the pro? Which came out after the touch but is cheaper
@@koruki No, I'm referring to the Barista Touch as in the video against the Oracle Touch.
@@mannycamacho3892 yes I know I mean the Barista Pro is the new machine that has the 3 second warm up time, not sure the other two you just mentioned actually has that?
@@koruki the barista touch does heat up in 3 seconds. The Barista Pro just has the ability to get to steam in about a few seconds while the Touch takes longer to go from brew to steam.
How long does the Oracle touch take to heat up?
Thanks Gail for your comparison, I am going to buy in Black Friday sales . One question please - if you fill the tank from the top front access lid will it tell you when the tank is full somehow? Level line or bleep or something? Cheers Gail have a great Christmas 🎄 Marc.
There’s a oval glass in the front that shows the water line. You can see it from up front
@@mitchkatbonsignore5173 Cheers Gail, yes we got our Sage oracle a few weeks ago & we are enjoying it very much. Take care & thanks again.👍🇬🇧
Sorry . Mitch not Gail.
Hi, can you please do a comparison (blind taste test for both espresso & latte) between these two Breville machines with their comparable semi-automatic + grinder (assuming some $300 difference)?, Thanks
You gotta be kidding?
super cool, thanx😊
Hi, Very Nice Review But Can You Compere The Test Of Coffee Drinks Between The Two Machines ?
Can I use the oracle touch for a small business??
So the bes880 only adds the touch screen compared to bes870?
Auto Milk Frothing as well
sage and breville same umbrella company, I like the sage, its smaller and I dont truly plan on making the milk at the same time as frothing, the only thing that bothers me is filling the water in the back.
I purchased the Oracle Touch in December and after some use found a firmware bug which couldn’t be resolved so I took it back. It was a good excuse to get a higher end ECM machine. Happy now 😊
W P what was the bug?
It wiped all my custom coffee types set up under our names. It’s entirely possible that they have fixed the firmware by now.
It occurs when the milk frothing temperature was set higher than the default from memory. So if you leave that alone you should be fine.
Gail and Clem are my favorite characters on this show called "seattle coffee gear". its too bad they had to retire the Gail character. 🙃 😂 seriously, i love watching this channel and I'll miss watching Gail's demos just for fun.
on 7:49....the barista is 16" tall with hopper, not 15"
So, with the oracle $3000+plus tax (Barista $999), we are basically paying the machine $2000 to tamp the coffee for us?
That's what I got from it lol
LOL
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That plus it's heavy duty (heavy), bigger reservoir, dual boiler - froth and brew at the same time, retractable wheels, 95% automatic. Looks premium for those who CAN afford it. Don't hate.😆
I was really interested in the oracle but I figured since I can’t afford that at the moment I’d just try the barista. Now that I’m doing a more thorough research, I’m glad I made the right decision. You’re really paying $2k for it to tamp for you. Totally not worth it! And the machine is so fast it makes me wonder how much time are you really saving with that timer?!
I love Gail, she rules
Excellent review. We have the oracle touch at workplace so I bought the Touch for home ;-) Excellent coffee from the machine.
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One difference is 1,000.00. My brother has the Oracle and it is wonderful but I just got the Barista Touch and its gong to be fine for me.
Can either of these machines be use for a small coffee shop like 100-200 serving a day?
Stanley Photoworks definitely NOT, you need to get commercial type espresso machine, not these. They can’t meet the demand, plus I don’t think they are NSF certified
Gail. Thank you for your great review. I’m so glad I listened to your review of the oracle touch. It’s always in use and makes great coffee. Just need to find out if there’s anyway I can make a coffee using grounds. Maybe I should buy a tamper and bypass the machines grinding as beans in the uk are not so cheap
Wesley Hannibal
u just answered your own question
The problem is if you use pre-ground coffee you lose quality as you have no way to know how long it have been stored.
Not sure how cheap you want beans to be. you can get supermarket own brands for around £2.30 for 227grams, pre-ground coffee is about the same price, sure you may get a bit more usable coffee in pre-ground, but I do not think it will be that much more.
I do not buy supermarket coffee to be honest, I buy from two local roasters, much better coffee and you know it have been roasted a couple of days before you get it. Yes it is more expensive, sometimes double the price of what supermarkets sell, but I think it is worth it and to be honest, if I paid for a coffee machine the price of what the Oricle is, I would want great coffee to go in it.
I only have a Gaggia classic and my Grinder is not the best by a long way, that will be sorted this year, but I still notice the difference between different coffee.
z hi. Thanks for your reply. I usually do buy beans from roasters but family member has bought me some ground coffee from Harrods for Xmas. I’ve got no way of measuring or tamping as my oracle does that automatically I don’t like filter coffee so maybe have to use my stove espresso pot. It’s a lot of trouble and time but I don’t see any other option.
Wesley Hannibal
just put the ground coffee in the portafilter and tamp it yourself, its not hard.
Mamadou Aziza I’ll try that then. Any idea what I can use from around the kitchen to tamp it
Ok its 2022, March, should I get the Oracle Touch and if not, what and why? If I should get it, do I go to Bed, Bath & Beyond with a coupon, for the best price?
I would like to know the price for each of them.
barista touch is $1000 usd, Oracle touch is $2800 usd
barista touch is $1000 usd, the Oracle touch is $2800 usd, so there's almost a 2,000 dollar difference..
Great review. It provided great level of detail and covered all of the bases for what I was looking for.
Just be aware that you do a lot of lip smacking which is super annoying to some people like me weith very sensitve hearing... please don't hate me for saying this.
Great job. Subscribing now.
Boiler or thermo block on the Bari sta?
Thermojet now
Gayle, I am missing your reviews. I stumbled on this one and I thought I would leave you a note. Be safe! Get vaccinated! As normal, Great review!
Which one is the newest? Confused lol
Oracle touch ya hamar
Barista Touch is the newest
Oracle is somewhat commercial use... This could serve as a second machine for an emergency at store.
You don't have a coffee shop but selling coffee and espresso drinks, this might serve you.
I see some corner deli has $15k+ espresso machine which they hardly use, they don't even have latte/capuccino on the menu!!
I never had any occassion that I needed to steam and brew at the same time.
What’s the difference between the oracle and oracle touch
The touch screen
I want the oracle touch. 💔
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Thank you, Sir. Great review.
Sir????
$1000 vs $2500? Is it worth really $1500 more?
I'm waiting for the dual boiler touch. Do you think that will happen?
At that point the price would be pretty close to the Oracle Touch, so I wouldn't count on it. What you could do is sign up for a Williams-Sonoma credit card and use the 20% intro coupon on an Oracle Touch. Most of their coupons cannot be used with certain brands, including Breville, but I believe that coupon is mostly unrestricted (I'm 95% sure).
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@@dcr33313 thank for the tip, you saved me $500 :D
I have the Barista Express, love it, and wouldn't trade it for either one of these.
I had mine barista for 5 years and still runs like champ
Thinking of getting one of them myself, they are called Sage in the UK for some reason, not Brevile. My only problem of getting a machine with built in grinder is how easy will it be to replace the burrs when they start wearing out?
Ease! All it takes 10mm socket and unscrew but bolt and pull it out grind burr
It's not that bad... Barista provides instructions for removing the burrs from the machine for cleaning and so on (which you can also, apparently, use to shim the bottom burr with a thicker washer to get a bit of a tighter grind if you feel the need to do so).
Here's my perspective, though- by the time the burrs wear out on this thing, I'll be looking for a standalone grinder anyway. The built-in grinder design is great for price and for counter space, but there are some limitations like the fact that the beans become a bit warm from their proximity to the boiler(s). Also, the steps between adustments are a bit large. I'm on a 4 (on my Express) currently- 5 is unusably loose (pressure barely increases past pre-infusion) and 3 is way too tight (extremely bitter, pressure out of the machine's "espresso zone" on the pressure gauge).
As such... I think a lot of people are going to find themselves, a year or two down the road, looking for a separate grinder (Baratza Sette 270, Rancilio Rocky, Eureka) in a midranged pricepoint as the first upgrade they make to the machine if they decide that they're serious about the hobby. I don't know that I'd necessarily go for one of the Touch models- if you're willing to push your budget to $1200 for the Barista Touch there are likely other options (Silvia + grinder? CC1 + grinder?) worth considering, and especially at $2500 for the Oracle Touch (E61 machine like Rocket Appartamente + a very good grinder), but the Express pretty well dominates its pricepoint, at least in my opinion.
z it's basically because Breville in the UK is not the same as the Breville's here. These are Aussy Breville (imported to UK). UK Breville produces shite and isn't regarded as a good quality brand. No would people pay the prices asked for if it had Breville branding.
this is what I call proper coffee machine.. it is a big pill to swallow though
when are machines going to grind, tamp and brew at the exact ground size, coffee volume/weight, tamping pressure, water pressure, water temperature, brewing time, water volume you want automatically? Also when are they going to texturize milk to exactly the right microfoam consistency and pour latte art exactly in the pattern you choose automatically as well? If I can preset all those settings from an smartphone app and it can do it perfectly automatically without me doing anything then I will buy it. Otherwise I'm sticking to my old fashioned manual grinder and espressomachine
You speak the truth sir 😂 no more jobs for coffee makers
The barista touch allows you to froth on your own. It has that option. She failed to mention. I have this machine. But latte art is stupid anyways if you're going to drink it. Will get ruined. Doesn't ruin the taste. Coffee shops like Starbucks don't create latte art. Great machine. I love it
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I have the Oracle Touch and LOVE it. Only 'issue' is that it over-doses IMO (regularly around 24g of coffee is ground and tamped into the portafilter. I don't mind the result (MORE COFFEE!!) but I am burning through beans haha.
sunshine1414 will it grind and tamp if you pour 20g in the hopper only
lazypimp2 I don’t know actually. I haven’t tried. I do know that if the grinder runs out of beans before the grinding would normally stop, it just keeps grinding. I always stop it before it gets to the tamping point. I will see what happens next time it’s empty.
Another review said that he had inconsistent shots when the hopper wasn’t full enough so I don’t think this is build for single dose grinding.
You know that there is a single shot filter insert available? At least here in Germany there is...
Change the grind time!! Simple.
oracle toucth is great
would have liked the width comparison, and dimensions in METRIC (ozs and lbs so OLD skool) when will the us and the uk catch up with the rest of the world? otherwise good review
Ready in the morning? It makes it ready in 30 seconds ish
Fantastic! The auto grind.
Gail did not mention if the Barista Touch has a double broiler.
I think it has a thermocoil
grant smith
yeah, its not a double broiler, but seems to be a nice machine.
Yeah, was wondering too
It has a single boiler (cannot steam milk and extract at the same time)
Feh
thank you
So why is the Oracle so much more expensive? I get why it is more but it is at least 4x more.
Zortac it's not 4x more. It's 2x more. The express touch is $1k and the Oracle touch is $2k(on best buy).
At the this simple one is for 1k and the oracle is going for 2,799 plus tax that easy got almost 3K
If you live in the US. You can walk in to a Bed Bath & Beyond with a 20% coupon and walk out with that bad boy Oracle for $2,000 instead of $2,500.
Hey Gale,
Did you mention if the barista touch was dual
Boiler ?
Barista Touch is not...
@@augustcurrier4817 what is dual boiler as opposed to single ? Does that mean two shots of espresso?
Get a Rocket Appartamento with a Eureka Specialita! It will last 30 years and will produce a different league of espresso.
Are there any automatic espresso machines that can make lattes that you recommend?
Oracle Touch!
The main difference on these two is that the oracle touch has two boilers which the oracle barista does not, this is a big deciding factor on which to buy and you did not out line this massive differance.
What exactly does this mean?
Can you explain further?
I thought she mentioned that first thing in the video.
@@nh4820you can brew and steam simultaneously
How can you still understand Fahrenheit and inches in 2021?!
yo tengo las dos y realmente no hay una diferencia abismal solamente en dinero, la oracle es mas automatizada presiona el cafe y puedes hacer 2 cosas a la vez, agarra un poco mas de agua y ya pero no entiendo porque vale el triple es ridiculo esperaba mas de ella, a menos que te sobre el dinero compren la Barista
My oracle touch had issues with the steam wand constant water leakage the seals were replaced twice and also had software bug. I got an in store refund and bought ECM far superior quality I would never buy another Breville machine.
This is a silly question but what does ECM mean?
which model of EMC would you recommend please?
Don't get the bambino version! Another failed attempt to make a small and affordable espresso machine. You'll need to hold the machine down when putting the portafiller for the not to flips on the counter. Either provide a better attachment to the kitchen countertop (like smoothie makers) or make a heavier appliance at the base.
I rather go w/ the touch vs the oracle it's out of my budget.
The barista touch is quick and give you what you need for the money and is not so cheap by the way. Only the automatic stamp but that is for lazy people.
I find it ridiculous that the barista touch doesn't have an auto on and off! That would add so much convenience for so little cost!!
That may be added to the next addition 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I was thinking the same thing! They already have a computerized touch display, I would cost nothing extra to add it! Just one more reason they can justify 2k more for the Oracle :(
Press a button it turns on and is ready to make coffee straight away and it switches itself off when not in use.
Have owned it 2 years. You push power and it’s ready to brew in 3 sec with the PID system. No need for auto on/off I promise you.
Would be nice to address the water capacity in litres as well as onces, there is a big world outside of the united states :) thanks
As with all these machines, it would be great if the drip trays were dishwasher proof
Would love to see someone actually make a cup of coffee on one of these machines. I have viewed 20 different reviews of this machine and not one person thought "Hey lets try to make a simple large cup of coffee." A simple large (10ounce or larger) cup of coffee is what 99% of the coffee drinking population wants yet not a single review shows how to do that.
Asad it’s an espresso machine. Typically not running through a normal cup of coffee. Buy a drip machine for 1/10 the price.
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