I am with you brother. Been collecting Black Panther comics for a long time. T'CHALLA is the Black Panther. This was purposely done, they had to destroy the positive energy in a people that the first movie gave them. Our image is always under attack. We are at War family. Never get to comfortable to forget that.
Am I misremembering that Chadwick himself said he wanted the role recast, that he thought the character was too important not to? He didn't want the role to die with him. Everything I've seen has just been bordering on insult with how they handled it.
I read about his brother and Chadwick saying he wanted it to be bigger than him. Sadly it's hard to do that when people do there absolute best to make sure the character stays under his boot in his absence.
@@TheKoolSection Disney & Marvel this whole phase made it about women over men so it fits their narrative . He should’ve been recasted and they had the death in the script from the beginning and didn’t change it . T’Challa should’ve been going toe to toe in this movie with Nahmor . A lot of things weren’t in this film either like most of the men in Wakanda which is for another , but I digress .
@EL JAY heck they could have pulled a multiverse-T'Challa out of a portal, an alternate reality where Wakanda is totally different and so is T'Challa (like he suggests). Current-universe T'Challa might have been given a heroic death fighting against a villain or disaster. The face-covering BP suit lets us have a sendoff with a different actor and no CGI BS. There are so many creative possibilities. So they just deliberately snapped him.
Ani D His niece and brother have openly said they want to recast. This whole movie is a bit of a joke when you consider just throw many people are against the murder of an iconic character.
Making Shuri the Black Panther was always the end goal. Sadly, Chadwick’s death didn’t really change their plans. It just sped them up. They’re replacing everyone. Hulk, Hawkeye, T’Challa, Iron Man…
Yep. We had the reports of Chadwick being pissed at Disney's plans for the franchise back in 2018 or 2019, which a lot of us dismissed at the time. Flashforward to now, after Chadwick's passing and the release of this movie, it kinda seems like this was the plan all along😔
What do you mean that was Chadwick plan he wanted her as a black panther aswell he was heavily involved yes And those characters ofcourse will be replaced what do you think actors want to play the same role for 60 years
Poor T'challa...he is like the token black character in a horror movie...he's the first to go for no reason. To be honest, the first movie was overrated, it was a fine origin story, but there was a lot of room for T'challa to grow as a character, as an Avenger and as a fundamental part of the MCU beyond representation...This was the movie that could turn T'challa into a household name as you said... but they wasted it because it's all about women now... Chadwick is lucky he wasn't a buffoon in his own movie overshadowed by the other characters, like it happened to Thor and Doctor Strange... I wouldn't be surprised if they ask the next Blade to be bisexual or to wear a dress...that's how Marvel roll these days.
I compare this to James Evans dying on Good Times (yes, I dated myself)! The show continued, but it just wasn’t the same. Same thing here! I respect Ryan Coogler’s decision to not recast the role his friend played, but once again we’re seeing the “coincidental” theme in most of Ryan Coogler associated films & that’s the absence of the Black Father. First Black Panther, T’Challa still grieves over the loss of his father while Kilmonger wants revenge for growing up without his. Now T’Challa has a son growing up without him!! Hell, even in Creed, Adonis is grew up without his father. We’re just seeing so much of the fathers being absent & the results of it.
Perhaps one of the most frustrating things about this whole situation is, even if in 10 years they decide to restart the franchise, starting a new branch of the canon (similar to the Christian Bale Batman trilogy), they have squandered the momentum that could have continued if they had recast T’Challa. The real-world impact of T’Challa as a character for black (and white and brown) men to look up to is too precious to neglect, but that’s exactly what they’ve done here.
The opportunity to make a female version of the hero fell into marvel's lap. Other than Capt., all of the marvel heroes are being replaced by female successors. On top of that, they got to use the death of a beloved actor as marketing, as if any of Chadwick's family is going to see a dime from this movie
@@markmcgowan3692 That doesnt hold weight to me because the families of dead celebs are notorious for whoring out their legacy in exchange for money to publicly endorse these peojects
There were rumors before Chadwick’s death that feige/Alonso wanted Shuri to be black Panther and when he died, they just leapt at the chance. The only way to fix this is if the T-challa that died was a skrull.
@@Arishem34 no it’s true , that’s been going around before Chadwick’s passing. It’s only now making its way again because of the movie. These films are thought of way in advance.
@@MS7000_ no it's not Shuru tallied about this recently they were settinther up to become black panther yes but it was gonna be way down the rode and the discussion was between Ryan Googler and Chadwick on when they will do it so i don't know what you are talking about but black panther was gonna be retired just like Steve and all those characters at some point because actors get old they want to do other things the list goes on
That actually makes a lot of sense considering how MCU T’Challa was nerfed they removed his insane IQ in the comics he is one of the smartest minds but in the MCU I guess they gave that to shuri instead so it really does feel like this was their plan all along
@@vivaraulito In Wakanda Forever, Shuri tells Riri she learned her sciences from her "big brother." In the MCU, T'Challa was a genius who leaned in on the elders/ancestors more than science. Likewise, Shuri leans in the sciences and less on the ancestors. But they've both gone through the same education, it's implied in the MCU and explained in the comics.
Man I didn't even think of it but Michael B. Jordan/Killmonger would've been a great new T'Challa. Show that Killmonger had grown as a person from his encounter with T'Challa and from the events of Infinity War, leading to a big character arc of him becoming the new Black Panther
💯 finally a real review of this ridiculous movie. I’ve been reading Black Panther comics since the 80s it is crazy that he could be killed off so quickly without establishing the franchise for at least 3 to 4 movies…John Wick has lasted longer.
Yes, for at least 3 to 4 movies. I mean, he was an icon in comics, right? So in the movies, HOW LONG did Tony Stark/Ironman get to live, until his sacrificial death? A lot more than T'challa Black Panther.
Thank you for bringing up some points I had not considered. How many actors have been Batman, Superman, Spider Man etc. ? T'challa IS the Blank Panther. They don't get that fact is what we were all raised on. Then you add the fact that they turn around and make him an absentee father when we all know his moral compass does not point that way. His relationship with his father meant too much to him for that to happen.
I agree 💯 with this video man It’s absolutely ridiculous what they did by not recasting Tchalla. They left so many great stories on the table but in the name of representation missed out on showing representation on black men and our sons
You are right, TJ. And that is what it was really all about, wasn't it? REPRESENTATION, not honoring Chadwick's death and keeping a character ICON called Black Panther. Look, DISNEY SUCKS BLEEP really bad. They re corporate pigs that chase money and don't care about morality, honor or black people.
Not just that they killed T’Challa off, it was the way in which it was done. T’Challa has always been a self-sacrificing leader and the way that he basically died out of sheer stubbornness does not match up with his character at all. I’m an almost 60 years old white dude which grew up reading Black Panther comics as drawn by the incomparable artist Billy Graham, so to say that I was excited when the first film came out would be an understatement. After the high note of the first film I feel completely let down by this newest offering on so many levels. Bottom line a damn shame.
With you, Uncle Drayton. I am a white 60 year old guy who loved Black Panther, growing up. I loved his stories and comic book art, in Jungle Action comics, then later, Black Panther. Kirby was a great artist but so was Billy Graham. A lot of stories and adventures were there. Instead, we got to see a Latin American culture invasion.
I wonder what's going to happen with Halloween next year when a boy puts on his "Black Panther" costume to go trick-or-treating and his sister puts on her new "Black Panther" costume and tells her little brother that she's the "real" Black Panther because T'Challa doesn't exist anymore....
It’ll be fine. The black panther has had an amazing run in the MCU just because he’s dead in the MCU doesn’t mean kids can’t dress up as him anymore and girls can’t also be the shuri black panther. There’s no “real” black panther
I remember when the original movie came out Twitterscum wanted Chadwick replace so his sister could take the mantle, but after he passed that same twitterscum saying how perfect he was. Hypocrites
I share the same sentiment. T'Challa has always been one of my favorite comic characters from childhood as well as Jon Stewart. T'Challa deserved much better, in the comics he is as strong, skilled, and strategic as Captain America, He is as smart and rich as Tony Stark, and he is a King. Chadwick acted as him brilliantly imo but they should have recast.Also, I'm Latino, but Namor being Latino is not okay with me lol.
I remember Michael Jai White mentioned how if he played Black Panther he would make him so big to revival Batman. Even DJ Vlad brought it in an interview.
I hate to say this, but I think Disney and Marvel rubbed their collective hands with glee when Chadwick passed. They could replace a man with a woman, they had Twitter Armour and they could wail and cry to the world. But they get to recast with a woman. Also, may I add, I don’t care what your skin colour is. Your politics. Your religion. I don’t care if you would hate me on sight or embrace me as a brother. This was a heartfelt, passionate and articulate speech. Have to applaud that my friend
@@johannessguten2527 yea I can tell they had to rush a script and shoot a movie before the deadline. If the pandemic didn’t happen they might have shot this movie b4 his passing
One of the things that makes me even sadder is even Black women are caught up in the"Girl Power" paradigm, as if little Black boys don't suffer more in this world. T'Challa was one of the only positive fictional Superheroes serving as an example of intelligence, nobility, and strength for little boys of Color. Killing the character of T'Challa has the sinister Racial undertones of a Cabal in a backroom pulling strings. In the end Coogler is still just an employee, although he's willing to claim it was his choice.
@@niax782I humbly believe that you misread my thoughts. Many people who are abused tend to replicate the behavior with their own progeny. You make my point for me, for no one more desperately needs positive male role models (real or fictional) to try and stem such generational abusive behavior than Black males.
It feels extremely suspicious that they killed him off and didn’t recast or didn’t have MBJ or Winston Duke or some type of male figure in the movie. I feel your pain man Smfh shits very upsetting.
@@jdawgkemp yeah they wild cuz they make so much sense fr fr. Franchise is gone now. Hopefully in. 2030 we get some good writing and genuine representation.
They did this to reinforce the slave mentality. Disney knows how to marginalize certain segment of the marvel fan base. Anybody who isn't supportive is racist mysoginistic blah blah
@@avoiceup3222 So explain why would Marvel ruin a billion dollar franchise? Let me guess racism? Too many black folk getting screen time? Ya'll are simple minded if you think that. Guess who else they killed in the MCU. Tony Stark and they sent Steve Roger to the rest home. They even rebooted Spider-Man and gave him back to Sony to ruin. None of those decisions were plans to make more money. Marvel Studios is NOT your typical studio, it is a comic book studio and they have 8,000+ characters to choose from. They are not going to have their studio ride on the back of one or a selected few characters and or actors. They have proven this by dismantling the Avengers and killing off their most popular characters. #CatchAClue
They did this role dirty. I can say I wasn't a big fan of the movie but the actor kept me engaged to where I can respect. But for Disney to do what they did is uncalled for. They could have honored the actor. They could have a villain in the beginning that kills him while he protects his home, his kingdom, and his family. Then have an inspiring black man stand up and becomes the next black panther and take on this villain. And have it this new one is struggling to prove that he has what it takes. I think that is something that honors the actor and character from before. Now we can't have that. Been cast to the side for side characters and it isn't black panther without black panther.
Unfortunately the tragic death of Chadwick Boseman gave Disney/Marvel the green light to, once again, try to swap out a prominent male character with a female.
I couldn’t have said it better myself cause I feel the exact same way! I say having a T’Challa multiverse variant is just LAZY WRITING. By the way, I strongly agree that T’Challa is more than just a fictional character, he’s a larger than life character. I’m definitely giving Marvel and Kevin Feige the side-eye on this one.
M'Baku predicted the end of Wakanda in Avengers Infinity War and surely after Chadwick Boseman's passing, it came to pass. Your vid is like night and day in difference compared to the one I watched on Comics Explained.
I made a comment about some points made in this video on his review about the movie… I was called every name under the book because I wasn’t singing its praises… definitely an echo chamber over on that channel… kinda feel like Rob is a schill 🤷🏽♂️ anywayz have a good day 🤘🏽
@@jacobbornowsky4013 Yeah no kidding and Rob has a huge fan base. I've known him from Elementary school by the way, it took me a while to recognize him but he amassed a huge following and I'm careful not to get on their bad side.
@@youssoufmoussa3874 yeah, considering Rob was defending She Hulk, you can bet I stopped paying attention to anything but his comic videos. He's just a MCU shill these days😔
The MSHEU has been in full affect for years now but we couldn't see it. I wholeheartedly agree with this non-love letter to Marvel you just provided. Disney is a business that doesn't care about representation or culture. They care about $$$ and I guess "girl bosses" and weak or absentee men gives them just that. It's sad to see how far this franchise has fallen since Civil War 😔
Yep. Maybe I wouldnt have minded Shuri becoming BP if we hadn't already had reports on Chadwick being mad at Disney's plan for the franchise in 2018 or 2019. But since that did happen, makes it seem like this was their plan all along😔
They're tugging real life threads in a fictional movie. They're using the emotion people have for Chadwicks passing and mixing it with the sub par movie. It's deception and manipulation. They should be ashamed of themselves
Very well said. I walked out the theater feeling empty after seeing Wakanda Forever. There was definitely some good things, but overall I feel we have been robbed of a better story/experience.
Totally agree, I believe they should have waited and recasted or at the very least started this movie off with Shuri already taking up the mantle of black panther and set it right after the snap giving T'challa the ability to return.
Thank You!!!!!!! That's what I said where did this kid come from bro he's not storms kid. Marvel missed two opportunities 1. Recasting Bosman for someone to carry on Black Panther & Bosmans legacy. 2. World building Wakanda and not the current characters aka ( The M-She-U ) they knew what they were doing. Man 1st Marvel making Stan Lee's comics terrible now Bosman smh.
The rumor is, Marvel is currently working on a contract with Halle Berry to be storm. She's set to get paid big money. The rumor also claims that they will use storm as a fill in for Tchala. Marvel feels that since storm is a legacy character played by popular actor the fans will be less upset. In fact Marvel plans to bring back all the fox characters as theater bait, but will kill them off like they did in Dr Strange 2. Basically most of the female fox characters will be left alone with other race swapped xmen characters.
The MCU was NEVER based on the comic book storylines. They only use them for inspiration, they are loosely based on them. It's been this way for over a decade which is why we have a black Nick Fury and no Uncle Ben to Peter Parker. The director made the call, and Marvel honored this two years ago, how long are you fans gonna have the same dated conversation? you watch the MCU for T'Challa, now there's no T'Challa. I can understand you being out. Just like the Iron Man fans and the Steve Roger fans. I just hope you don't become too bitter that you rob yourself from enjoying some entertaining films.
The reason the MCU decided to kill of T'Challa was to fast track Shuri to become Black Panther. Another major flaw was the introduction of T'Challa's secret son. If they revealed to him his son existed he wouldn't have given up on life and it would have gave him a reason to fight to stay alive. As for a replacement they should have got John David (Tenet) Washington.
John David Washington would look out of place as Black Panther. Chadwick was 6’1, with an athletic build and masculine facial structure. Washington is 5’9, his face is more round. His build is average looking border-line chubby. Next guy needs to be built like Aldis Hodge or something like that. Tall, athletic, intimidating almost.
@@sincerelyst.6043 Wooow. That’s a great recast. He had those allegations brought up when he made the Birth of a Nation film but I haven’t seen him since. I wonder if they would cast him.
Aldis Hodge, Yahya Abdul Mateen, all wouldve been great options for a recast. Also am I the only one picking up on a certain stereotype perpetuated with this story decision?🤔
Great video man. Keep standing up for what you believe in. I wasn’t too big a fan of the first Black Panther, but after Black Panther 2 I have a new found respect and appreciation for it. When I found out that they killed T’Challa off to a “unknown disease”, was bull****. With all that technology they couldn’t figure out what killed him? I would have let it slide if they just said he died to gamma radiation from holding the infinity gauntlet, but even that’s a stretch. This movie was a mess and it never should have been released until they recasted T’Challa and came up with an actual plan for a sequel.
@@MURPHYL28 Totally fair point. Or how about, the cure to this "sickness" is the plant that he already ate in the first Black Panther? Like why does he need to eat it again?
@@colinneumann5883 man the whole things stinks. Like, they could have had him in the suit doing something heroic, instead, he dies off screen by an "illness", and it's implied he was too proud to seek help or some shit. Marvel is going to die a slow death by dropping male heroes, and Black men didn't have many to drop. Their one true hero in the MCU is now a dead, prideful, missing dad.
I find it interesting that it takes this for black men to realize the obvious: men (all men) are being replaced in ALL movies by women. Can we please have some push back against this nonsense? Fortunately someone at DC figured out this ridiculous concept is not profitable and stopped Superman and Batman from being gender swapped. This has been going on for years (it happened to Terminator). As John McClane said: welcome to the party. It’s good to see black man finally waking up. They are trying to erase all of us, specially fathers. As a Hispanic man, it didn’t escape me that Namor’s father only gets like five seconds of screen time. Can we all wake the F up?
My opinion is that as soon as Mr. Boseman died the woman who plays Shuri had succeeded in keeping the role uncast so she could step into the role. This has backfired as the 1st movies message+the ebb of wokeness in shows in spectacular fashion. The millions it makes are not from its own merits but the priors successful run and endgames popularity.
the woman who plays shuri was like a sister to chadwick and she kept the role to honour him, it was disney’s fault for all the wokeness they were planning to make shuri the black panther even when chad was alive, it’s in the comics, but i understand why so many people were upset about it
Everything about this feels like a manufactured martyrdom, and selling tickets to a funeral. Also, 10-20 years from now, are new audiences even going to “get” this film, because they didn’t live through Chadwick’s death? This is actually the first MCU film I sat out.
Well said. Jonathan Majors should have been recast as T’Challa instead of Kang. He even looks like the original BP from the comic. Huge mistake, they inevitably killed the franchise with the decisions they made in this film. There’s some great individual characters in the marvel universe( none as big as BP) but if done well could set themselves apart but the studio just wants to race and gender swap established classic characters.
Your words were cool. Did anybody see the after credits? T’Challa’s son name T’Challa is in the MCU. By the time BP 3 comes around he’ll be a young adult and possibly they’ll go the comic book route so him and Storm will marry because mutants are coming to the MCU. These movies are to setup the next 4 to 5 next movies. So yeah they are going to recast him just wasn’t in this movie.
Chadwick himself wanted the role recast as he thought the character and what he stood for and meant to people was too important to be discarded. I can see why they've introduced a son and called him T'Challa as they'll probably give that character all the OG T'Challa's arcs but due to the age he is when he's introduced that could be 10 years away. I don't want to wait that long to see T'Challa again as he was my favourite character from the MCU. I don't see the appeal as Shuri being the BP in my opinion.
I totally agree with everything you said, and I am not going to see it in the theater because of this. I will watch it when it streams. What they did was wrong.
i saw this with my kid and they asked what i saw and i said it was good. but it wasn’t. shuri definitely shouldn’t have been black panther. the way they forced the girl power agenda for the whole film. she calls ross a colonizer twice. who did he colonize? and why is she pissed? wakanda was never colonized. and why make namor from the mayans? hes from atlantis!!! so they could talk about spanish colonizing. and the one black strong man is treated like a joke and gets his ass kicked.
First we have She Hulk, a series that boldly bashed men and promoted “Girl Power”. Now we have Wakanda Forever, which killed off the main character and purposely regulated the number of male characters to a few and of those shown, were weak and bowed down to the female characters in the movie. They claim representation, but this is the domination of one gender over another in a iMovie. It’s not even equal representation. There wasn’t an equal number of male and female characters. There was an overwhelming number of more female characters than males. They kill off T’Challa and they don’t even give him a glorious death. No dying while saving his beloved country or sacrificing himself in some way to save others. He died of a virus? No virus outbreak in his country and he was among the many who died. No, just him. I suspect that the female genius created a virus that only killed males. That would explain why there were so few male citizens of Wakanda and male leaders of other nations around Wakanda.
Thank you for voicing my thoughts on this topic. Disney/marvel would NEVER cease from making Spider-Man movies just because the actor who played them passed. It's an insult to the character of t'challa and audiences who are fans of the Black panther lore.
T’Challa sent Nakia and his son away to protect them because Thanos was literally at the gates. That’s not an absentee father, that’s a protector. That’s like saying Jor-El is an absentee father
@@markmcgowan3692 fatherless homes are replaced with welfare, BLM used two black men in their mission statement, and then pivoted to single mothers, and LGBT. Anytime Democrats speak about systemic racism they now speak about trans people. It's there you don't see it.
Thank you. Majority of what I see about the movie is how great it is. I'm not seeing anyone be honest about a Black Panther movie without Black Panther. Agree with your points.
Killing T'Challa was a huge blow to the MCU and for black males and young black boys. It is also another aspect of an ongoing problem in this franchise. All the honorable and ethically good male heroes are gone, dead, or turned into a mockery. Boys need someone to look up to too. I had Captain America when I was young and read comics before the MCU came out, as well as Peter Parker who I related too as someone who was also geeky in high school. What do the young generation have now? Black Panther was the last remaining quality Male hero character in the MCU after Endgame and now he's gone too. You know, there's only so much girl power you can cram into a franchise before you realize you may have forgotten an entire demographic, one that is larger than the one you are focusing on. I'm white but I also loved Black Panther in the movies. Him returning in Endgame was epic and made me so happy. It makes me so sad to see what Marvel has become compared to what it used to be. Black Panther has the charisma and popularity to be the face of the MCU in phase four. They blew it.
What I love about this is people thinking they are helping black people with them not replacing T'challa Ive been waiting for this character since I was a kid and as soon as i get him, they retire him, they would never do this to any other character man its just cause he is black, I dont wanna say its "oh he is black so just put another black person in the suit ill be fine" but at the same time they put Riri Williams in the movie cause she is black, she has like noting to do with wakanda. I think personally this is happening because of woke culture someone always trying to make some sort of statement and alot of times they end up doing something more offensive. One of the most important characters in the comics and biggest black character they just retire him and replace him with someone else, I am trying to think of a world where they would happen to Peter Parker.
Sure Thunderbolt Ross was a 'minor' character and the 'baddie' of one Hulk movie. But it was friggin WILLIAM HURT that played him. Maybe the youn'uns don't recognize him but Hurt is an Academy Award winning legend of Hollywood. He was one of the last of his generation of actors from the 80's. He wasn't just 'some old guy' they put in the role. I love Chadwick. But if you can recast Hurt you can recast him. And the world needs T'Challa. Bosemans family said as much when they said they wanted the role to be recast. We fans want a Black Panther. We want a T'Challa.
Hard disagree. Look at the average age of the audience of Black Panther movies, not people old enough to recognize or care who William Hurt was. Most of them are going to recognize Harrison Ford though.
If rumors are right not even Blade will be safe. Apparently Blade will be killed off and replaced by his daughter that shows up if you can believe it. They call it a sad knock off of Underworld, like wtf 😒 these characters deserve better.
I dont think a guy like Chadwick would want people squabbling over a fictional character. Yeah he was a shining beacon for all but how quickly his followers snuff his light out by bickering
This was absolutely strategic and the absolute worst about all of this is “our” women were to ready and thrilled to support it. They have never had any love or respect for us. Everything they do is for their own vanity and it’s time to call it out
Definitely agree with your analysis of the situation. Even though Black Panther happens to be a character who actually is a mantle (unlike most heroes) the way T'Challa was handled is a huge misstep. If anything it would have been more respectful to just delay the film to provide time to recast instead of rewriting.
Several actors can play batman, superman and James bond and they keep the prestige of the character but they just kill off T'Challa with no though about the young men who are fans of the character, Chadwick as a man was bigger than the role of black panther and his brother said it would be his wish to recast.
T'Challa being killed off made no sense. They didn't even try to put him on ice or use one of the balls to put him in stasis like they did with Ross in the first Black Panther movie to give Shuri time to find a cure. Also, Shuri couldn't have called any of the other Avengers help her make a cure like Bruce Banner, or even Dr. Richards from the Fantastic Four or ask Dr. Strange to do some type or magic (But that would be asking help from White MEN and we can't have that.....SAD!!!) All the men in this movie were berated, emasculated, used for jokes and dominated by women in this movie and it was DISGUSTING. Shuri just assumed the Black Panther mantle, didn't earn it or fight for it like all The other Black Panther's before her had to. Where was the ritual ceremony where a tribe could challenge her for the mantle? It gave me Rey "Skywalker" vibes. The people of Wakanda in this movie were arrogant, selfish and treated other races and groups of people as if they were beneath them. T'Challa decided at the end of the first movie to share the Wakandian technology with the world and help other nations and as soon as he passes, Wakanda renigs on that promise and doesn't want to help. It made no sense. The script was horrible and used alot of the same tones from the first movie including Wakanda losing their leader and needing a new king, the same ridiculous colonizer jokes and colonization themes, use of a special herb that gives people powers and an over the top villian we're supposed to sympathize and feel sorry for who was raised without their father.....SMH!!! And we did not need to see Killmonger in the dream sequence. Shuri could have easily had a conversation with T'Chakka or T'Challa in the ancestral plain. It would have been more impactful, plus T'Challa knew about vengeance from Civil War when he was after Bucky. The line of not being consumed by vengeance would have been great coming from T'Challa to his sister. It would also been ideal to Shuri talk with her father, as father and daughter, something we never saw. It would have been nice to see a father and daughter conversation. This movie purposely stripped the strong men from this movie to push female empowerment and I blame Coogler for that because he wrote the script. He made this movie about Chadwick and female empowerment and basically sidelined T'Challa and Wakanda. We barely saw more of the Wakandian world or tribes. This was not a good sequel to the first movie.
I feel you! You forgot about Black Adam though! Black Adam and Hawkman are Egyptian. Black Panther is our Superman, and his impact on real history is important. I think the movie made a good point of showing how much he was needed.
I think it might be the most disrespectful movie I’ve seen as not only did they exploit bosemans death to replace T’challa but the way they had T’challa die was disrespectful to the character giving him the most pointless out of character death in the mcu so far like would it really have been too much to have him die off screen in combat or saving someone like they could’ve had an accident in the vibranium mine with T’challa running in to save people getting caught in a cave in being killed without his suit on to protect him. I think I’m done with the mcu as it’s become clear that marvel/disney don’t care about these characters and just see them as something to piggyback off their popularity!
You hit the nail on the head and I agree with everything you stated. Overall, the movie was a beautiful tribute to Chadwick Boseman and the cinematography, acting, and action was superb. But the franchise feels hollow without a male lead. T'Challa is the heart of Wakanda and definitely should have been recasted! The lack of black men in this movie was disappointing and it says a lot about the state of Disney and Marvel today. The M-She-U is in full effect.
I can't even see myself supporting another Ryan Coogler movie after what he did. It was already bad enough that he killed off T'Challa, then he kills off RAMONDA too! At that point I was completely done.
What are you even taking about? You not gonna support a REAL brother from Oakland, who was at the helm of two of the biggest movies Marvel has produced because you mad he killed a fictional Queen so that his main character would have a full arch? This is the plot in every great hero movie? Someone always dies. No one cared when Thor’s mom was killed? But we gonna hate on Coogler? Shame.
He shouldn't have killed off T'Challa OR Ramonda. I said what TF I said! 🗣️🗣️ He chose to take the liberties that he wanted with the direction of the movie and I choose no longer support him with MY money because of it. I don't like Tyler Perry movies or TV shows, I'm not going to indulge in his BS productions just because he's black.
It's like going to a steakhouse where they don't have any cuts of meat just the baked potato and salad and no bacon or cheese for the potato at that! Would have been hard to recast him but not impossible.
I'm with you man. I feel the same exact way. They should've definitely recast and I'm seeing a TON of black people on Twitter saying the same thing, which makes me happy as hell. If they were going to have him die they could've at least shown him in a great battle, sacrificing himself against Galactus or some other HUGE big bad. Black Panther is a much bigger character than they realize. They thought everyone would be happy about this. Okoye and Nakia were the only parts I liked from this second movie. I've been a huge fan of Danai's ever since she debuted on The Walking Dead(I've even met her in real life in Georgia on the filming set and all the other actors).
Good to know the toxic fanbase and black twitter are on the same page! Nah, I agree with you man. Even if they didn't kill T'Challa with a big bad and instead made it a more mundane sickness or something to try and make it a goodbye letter to Chadwick (maybe cancer, but that could've been super offensive to some) could've worked. Then before T'Challa's on-screen death have him pass on his legacy to the next best choice. A reformed Killmonger, who because of his experience with T'Challa and fighting with the rest of the planet against Thanos before the snap, where he's then left to become a community leader again, helping people adjust to the sudden loss of everyone, getting the jobs that need to be done, done. We see him again when people are restored and he's doing the same thing, helping to ease everyone back into their communities and lives and helping them deal with the culture shock. Then we can see T'Challa approach him after finding out what he's been up to, being proud of the man Killmonger continued to grow and develop into. That gives us an opportunity to have T'Challa pass the mantle on to Killmonger, making him swear to live up to the name Black Panther and passing it to him.
@@TheLikenessOfNormal Killmonger makes no sense and he is an enemy in the comic books. They could have simply recast him, it was simple to justify, the desease could have badly disfigured him and facial reconstruction would have been necessary. Killmonger story arc is over, there's no redemption for him, that's the whole point. He was resentful to Wakanda, USA, European countries, etc. He was just a warmonger, resentful and absolute in everything, even in his ideology.
I completely agree with you. This movie killed the franchise and without T’Challa there’s no reason for me to care about Wakanda or the whole world of Black Panther means nothing to me without the main character. I don’t care, they ruined the franchise by not recasting the character so why would I or any other long term Black Panther fan give an iota of a crap about what happens next with Wakanda going forward. And no I’m not accepting the fatherless son that they are trying to use as a replacement of the MAIN CHARACTER.
Males had no authority whatsoever in this movie. The women in charge would constantly remind them. The movie starts with Suri screaming at the man who told her to be with her brother. Even the artificial intelligence male voice was constantly being degraded by the women. The men on either side of the battles couldn't even fight. The women were just overwhelmed them. When one of the blue villains was fighting with okoye the blue woman in charge just told him what are you doing we don't have time for games. The men in this movie were all emasculated even having to get down on their knees before the women in the beginning of the movie. Neymor's people all had to get on their knees as well. In Wakanda the men didn't have any technology to fight with they were just fighting with sticks and clubs. The women were the only ones who were able to use technology in this movie. This is like a science fiction Color Purple in which the men are either incompetent or unnecessary. Naymore gave his whole life story but he didn't come close to mentioning a father.
This is why we have to write and create our own stories, and finance them ourselves. That way we can do exactly what we want with them without OTHER PEOPLE being involved to negatively influence what we create. Yes a brother wrote and directed the film, but we all know he will never have one hundred percent control of the whole thing.
Damn, I feel bad for the black comic book community. They doing you guys wrong with this Black Panther treatment. Hollywood needs to start making more famous black actors or something. I feel like that's one reason why they didn't recast him. They could have gotten Ice Cube's son as T'Challa or something. In the end, I also feel like they saw Chadwick's death as a great opportunity to push the Girl Power agenda in the MCU.
no. that thinking is so wrong. they keep hiring the SAME black people foe everything. that does t help anyone. these actors are rich asf they don't represent poor blacks let alone struggling black artist... recasting the same people n holding g thrm in such high regard is why these actors have genome artist. u need good writing of new stories n characters. no one doing anyone dirty.. this mentality is dirty.
The full transition into the MSHEU is almost complete. Where is our A Team of Heroes and not this Z Team or whatever they gave. Makes me seriously mad. I have a Marvel sleeve and thinking about getting it covered up with all this political non sense.
I am with you brother. Been collecting Black Panther comics for a long time. T'CHALLA is the Black Panther. This was purposely done, they had to destroy the positive energy in a people that the first movie gave them. Our image is always under attack. We are at War family. Never get to comfortable to forget that.
Am I misremembering that Chadwick himself said he wanted the role recast, that he thought the character was too important not to? He didn't want the role to die with him. Everything I've seen has just been bordering on insult with how they handled it.
I read about his brother and Chadwick saying he wanted it to be bigger than him. Sadly it's hard to do that when people do there absolute best to make sure the character stays under his boot in his absence.
@@TheKoolSection Disney & Marvel this whole phase made it about women over men so it fits their narrative . He should’ve been recasted and they had the death in the script from the beginning and didn’t change it . T’Challa should’ve been going toe to toe in this movie with Nahmor . A lot of things weren’t in this film either like most of the men in Wakanda which is for another , but I digress .
@EL JAY John David Washington as T’Challa would’ve worked and been better for the story of this sequel .
@EL JAY heck they could have pulled a multiverse-T'Challa out of a portal, an alternate reality where Wakanda is totally different and so is T'Challa (like he suggests). Current-universe T'Challa might have been given a heroic death fighting against a villain or disaster. The face-covering BP suit lets us have a sendoff with a different actor and no CGI BS.
There are so many creative possibilities. So they just deliberately snapped him.
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His niece and brother have openly said they want to recast. This whole movie is a bit of a joke when you consider just throw many people are against the murder of an iconic character.
Making Shuri the Black Panther was always the end goal. Sadly, Chadwick’s death didn’t really change their plans. It just sped them up. They’re replacing everyone. Hulk, Hawkeye, T’Challa, Iron Man…
Exactly which is why I'm not watching marvel anymore only the older movies
Yep. We had the reports of Chadwick being pissed at Disney's plans for the franchise back in 2018 or 2019, which a lot of us dismissed at the time. Flashforward to now, after Chadwick's passing and the release of this movie, it kinda seems like this was the plan all along😔
only woman and minority from now on. no men allowed in the MCU. it's buillshit. this is from a minority myself.
only woman and minority from now on. no men allowed in the MCU. it's buillshit. this is from a minority myself.
What do you mean that was Chadwick plan he wanted her as a black panther aswell he was heavily involved yes
And those characters ofcourse will be replaced what do you think actors want to play the same role for 60 years
Well said. Great video, especially pointing out that Chadwick was an actor in our world and T’challa is a fictional character who should continue on.
And he will In the comic book world
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Poor T'challa...he is like the token black character in a horror movie...he's the first to go for no reason. To be honest, the first movie was overrated, it was a fine origin story, but there was a lot of room for T'challa to grow as a character, as an Avenger and as a fundamental part of the MCU beyond representation...This was the movie that could turn T'challa into a household name as you said... but they wasted it because it's all about women now... Chadwick is lucky he wasn't a buffoon in his own movie overshadowed by the other characters, like it happened to Thor and Doctor Strange... I wouldn't be surprised if they ask the next Blade to be bisexual or to wear a dress...that's how Marvel roll these days.
The first one I enjoy it more than the second one because it’s disappointing me
I compare this to James Evans dying on Good Times (yes, I dated myself)! The show continued, but it just wasn’t the same. Same thing here! I respect Ryan Coogler’s decision to not recast the role his friend played, but once again we’re seeing the “coincidental” theme in most of Ryan Coogler associated films & that’s the absence of the Black Father. First Black Panther, T’Challa still grieves over the loss of his father while Kilmonger wants revenge for growing up without his. Now T’Challa has a son growing up without him!! Hell, even in Creed, Adonis is grew up without his father. We’re just seeing so much of the fathers being absent & the results of it.
Perhaps one of the most frustrating things about this whole situation is, even if in 10 years they decide to restart the franchise, starting a new branch of the canon (similar to the Christian Bale Batman trilogy), they have squandered the momentum that could have continued if they had recast T’Challa.
The real-world impact of T’Challa as a character for black (and white and brown) men to look up to is too precious to neglect, but that’s exactly what they’ve done here.
His brother, Kevin even said Chadwick would have wanted a recast, because of the impact and the meaning
The opportunity to make a female version of the hero fell into marvel's lap. Other than Capt., all of the marvel heroes are being replaced by female successors. On top of that, they got to use the death of a beloved actor as marketing, as if any of Chadwick's family is going to see a dime from this movie
Y’all have no idea what you are talking about. Coogler consulted the family the entire process. They were cool with the direction
@@markmcgowan3692 Do your research. Chadwick's past interviews and even Derrick Boseman's interviews stated that the character was bigger than him.
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@@markmcgowan3692 That doesnt hold weight to me because the families of dead celebs are notorious for whoring out their legacy in exchange for money to publicly endorse these peojects
There were rumors before Chadwick’s death that feige/Alonso wanted Shuri to be black Panther and when he died, they just leapt at the chance. The only way to fix this is if the T-challa that died was a skrull.
Rumors? Come on, man. Just stop it.
@@Arishem34 no it’s true , that’s been going around before Chadwick’s passing. It’s only now making its way again because of the movie. These films are thought of way in advance.
@@MS7000_ no it's not Shuru tallied about this recently they were settinther up to become black panther yes but it was gonna be way down the rode and the discussion was between Ryan Googler and Chadwick on when they will do it so i don't know what you are talking about but black panther was gonna be retired just like Steve and all those characters at some point because actors get old they want to do other things the list goes on
That actually makes a lot of sense considering how MCU T’Challa was nerfed they removed his insane IQ in the comics he is one of the smartest minds but in the MCU I guess they gave that to shuri instead so it really does feel like this was their plan all along
@@vivaraulito In Wakanda Forever, Shuri tells Riri she learned her sciences from her "big brother."
In the MCU, T'Challa was a genius who leaned in on the elders/ancestors more than science. Likewise, Shuri leans in the sciences and less on the ancestors. But they've both gone through the same education, it's implied in the MCU and explained in the comics.
they didn't even give him a heroic death. he caught the flu and died. so lame
It was garbage 🗑️
Man I didn't even think of it but Michael B. Jordan/Killmonger would've been a great new T'Challa.
Show that Killmonger had grown as a person from his encounter with T'Challa and from the events of Infinity War, leading to a big character arc of him becoming the new Black Panther
Yes sir! Michael B Jordan!
I would love to see a battle between Killmonger vs M’Baku!!! That scene would of been awesome to see.
He died what ?
tchalla is not black panther... killmonger CANT BE TCHALLA. bp maybe but tchalla is his own entity.
bp was whoever won the battle
@@looplaap2064 a battle for the Black Panther title between M’Baku vs Killmonger
💯 finally a real review of this ridiculous movie. I’ve been reading Black Panther comics since the 80s it is crazy that he could be killed off so quickly without establishing the franchise for at least 3 to 4 movies…John Wick has lasted longer.
Yes, for at least 3 to 4 movies. I mean, he was an icon in comics, right? So in the movies, HOW LONG did Tony Stark/Ironman get to live, until his sacrificial death? A lot more than T'challa Black Panther.
Thank you for bringing up some points I had not considered. How many actors have been Batman, Superman, Spider Man etc. ? T'challa IS the Blank Panther. They don't get that fact is what we were all raised on. Then you add the fact that they turn around and make him an absentee father when we all know his moral compass does not point that way. His relationship with his father meant too much to him for that to happen.
Even tried to upstage King T'Challa's death with Queen Romonda's death
I agree 💯 with this video man
It’s absolutely ridiculous what they did by not recasting Tchalla. They left so many great stories on the table but in the name of representation missed out on showing representation on black men and our sons
You need actors and actresses that has already done the research on their character,understand?
You are right, TJ. And that is what it was really all about, wasn't it? REPRESENTATION, not honoring Chadwick's death and keeping a character ICON called Black Panther. Look, DISNEY SUCKS BLEEP really bad. They re corporate pigs that chase money and don't care about morality, honor or black people.
Not just that they killed T’Challa off, it was the way in which it was done. T’Challa has always been a self-sacrificing leader and the way that he basically died out of sheer stubbornness does not match up with his character at all. I’m an almost 60 years old white dude which grew up reading Black Panther comics as drawn by the incomparable artist Billy Graham, so to say that I was excited when the first film came out would be an understatement. After the high note of the first film I feel completely let down by this newest offering on so many levels. Bottom line a damn shame.
With you, Uncle Drayton. I am a white 60 year old guy who loved Black Panther, growing up. I loved his stories and comic book art, in Jungle Action comics, then later, Black Panther. Kirby was a great artist but so was Billy Graham. A lot of stories and adventures were there. Instead, we got to see a Latin American culture invasion.
Thank you for helping me continue to save my time and money from wasting it in Black Panther: Woman King Forever.
Would've loved to see john David Washington as T chala
he would've killed it
Or that guy in the good place. his good and that man bulked up
I wonder what's going to happen with Halloween next year when a boy puts on his "Black Panther" costume to go trick-or-treating and his sister puts on her new "Black Panther" costume and tells her little brother that she's the "real" Black Panther because T'Challa doesn't exist anymore....
That was be pretty messed up...
It’ll be fine. The black panther has had an amazing run in the MCU just because he’s dead in the MCU doesn’t mean kids can’t dress up as him anymore and girls can’t also be the shuri black panther. There’s no “real” black panther
Kids will still dress up as t'challa regardless of what happens in the mcu.
@@99chrisjay good cop out response .
If Disney has their way, that boy will be force to wear Shiri's Black Panther's costume design along with his sister.
I remember when the original movie came out Twitterscum wanted Chadwick replace so his sister could take the mantle, but after he passed that same twitterscum saying how perfect he was. Hypocrites
"Gotham City without Batman." Exactly.
I share the same sentiment. T'Challa has always been one of my favorite comic characters from childhood as well as Jon Stewart. T'Challa deserved much better, in the comics he is as strong, skilled, and strategic as Captain America, He is as smart and rich as Tony Stark, and he is a King. Chadwick acted as him brilliantly imo but they should have recast.Also, I'm Latino, but Namor being Latino is not okay with me lol.
He is actually better than Captain America in every way. Richer and arguably smarter than Tony. And a super King.
I remember Michael Jai White mentioned how if he played Black Panther he would make him so big to revival Batman. Even DJ Vlad brought it in an interview.
Michael Jai White is still built like a Super Hero and would have been an excellent T'Challa!!!!
I can see it
I hate to say this, but I think Disney and Marvel rubbed their collective hands with glee when Chadwick passed. They could replace a man with a woman, they had Twitter Armour and they could wail and cry to the world. But they get to recast with a woman.
Also, may I add, I don’t care what your skin colour is. Your politics. Your religion. I don’t care if you would hate me on sight or embrace me as a brother. This was a heartfelt, passionate and articulate speech. Have to applaud that my friend
The opening scene of the OG Blade is hard to beat.
Imagine if they killed Superman forever when Christopher Reeve passed away? That’s what they did to Black Panther/T’Challa.
Bro I felt exactly the same about the funeral... I didn't feel shit they used his death to cater to black womens emotions
It was sooo cringe.
The fact that none of the avengers showed up to his funeral was mind boggling
Shuri need to hit the gym and get some burgers
@@certifiedchaos4643 it’s also weird none of the avengers showed up in the conflict of the movie but that’s more an mcu problem in general
@@johannessguten2527 yea I can tell they had to rush a script and shoot a movie before the deadline. If the pandemic didn’t happen they might have shot this movie b4 his passing
You spoke my inner thoughts, Wakanda is dead without T’Challa.
But then Wakanda wasn’t too much to begin with if it’s „dead“ because one character is missing
@@moonman8450 People are weak. Let them be...
One of the things that makes me even sadder is even Black women are caught up in the"Girl Power" paradigm, as if little Black boys don't suffer more in this world. T'Challa was one of the only positive fictional Superheroes serving as an example of intelligence, nobility, and strength for little boys of Color. Killing the character of T'Challa has the sinister Racial undertones of a Cabal in a backroom pulling strings. In the end Coogler is still just an employee, although he's willing to claim it was his choice.
@@joewhite9074 Let’s be clear on one thing, blk boys suffer because of blk men 😏🤷🏽♀️
@@niax782I humbly believe that you misread my thoughts. Many people who are abused tend to replicate the behavior with their own progeny. You make my point for me, for no one more desperately needs positive male role models (real or fictional) to try and stem such generational abusive behavior than Black males.
It feels extremely suspicious that they killed him off and didn’t recast or didn’t have MBJ or Winston Duke or some type of male figure in the movie. I feel your pain man Smfh shits very upsetting.
Winston Duke is in the entire movie and ends as King lmao yall are wild
@@jdawgkemp yeah they wild cuz they make so much sense fr fr. Franchise is gone now. Hopefully in. 2030 we get some good writing and genuine representation.
They did this to reinforce the slave mentality. Disney knows how to marginalize certain segment of the marvel fan base. Anybody who isn't supportive is racist mysoginistic blah blah
@@avoiceup3222 So explain why would Marvel ruin a billion dollar franchise? Let me guess racism? Too many black folk getting screen time? Ya'll are simple minded if you think that. Guess who else they killed in the MCU. Tony Stark and they sent Steve Roger to the rest home. They even rebooted Spider-Man and gave him back to Sony to ruin.
None of those decisions were plans to make more money. Marvel Studios is NOT your typical studio, it is a comic book studio and they have 8,000+ characters to choose from. They are not going to have their studio ride on the back of one or a selected few characters and or actors. They have proven this by dismantling the Avengers and killing off their most popular characters. #CatchAClue
@@jdawgkemp Let the weaklings be.
They did this role dirty. I can say I wasn't a big fan of the movie but the actor kept me engaged to where I can respect. But for Disney to do what they did is uncalled for. They could have honored the actor. They could have a villain in the beginning that kills him while he protects his home, his kingdom, and his family. Then have an inspiring black man stand up and becomes the next black panther and take on this villain. And have it this new one is struggling to prove that he has what it takes. I think that is something that honors the actor and character from before. Now we can't have that. Been cast to the side for side characters and it isn't black panther without black panther.
Unfortunately the tragic death of Chadwick Boseman gave Disney/Marvel the green light to, once again, try to swap out a prominent male character with a female.
Thank you for your video! Much appreciated to hear the real oppinion of a black man on Wakanda Forever!
I couldn’t have said it better myself cause I feel the exact same way! I say having a T’Challa multiverse variant is just LAZY WRITING. By the way, I strongly agree that T’Challa is more than just a fictional character, he’s a larger than life character. I’m definitely giving Marvel and Kevin Feige the side-eye on this one.
I want to see Icon get a debut on the large or even small screen but I expect it will never happen in the messy state WB and DC is in.
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You knocked it out of the park with this vid!!!
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I am a black woman and I couldn’t agree more with what you said!!!!! 👏🏽
Well said brother, I talked my wife out of us seeing this movie and she agrees with me.🙅🏽♂️✝️🙏🏽
M'Baku predicted the end of Wakanda in Avengers Infinity War and surely after Chadwick Boseman's passing, it came to pass. Your vid is like night and day in difference compared to the one I watched on Comics Explained.
I made a comment about some points made in this video on his review about the movie… I was called every name under the book because I wasn’t singing its praises… definitely an echo chamber over on that channel… kinda feel like Rob is a schill 🤷🏽♂️ anywayz have a good day 🤘🏽
@@jacobbornowsky4013 Yeah no kidding and Rob has a huge fan base. I've known him from Elementary school by the way, it took me a while to recognize him but he amassed a huge following and I'm careful not to get on their bad side.
@@youssoufmoussa3874 yeah, considering Rob was defending She Hulk, you can bet I stopped paying attention to anything but his comic videos. He's just a MCU shill these days😔
The MSHEU has been in full affect for years now but we couldn't see it. I wholeheartedly agree with this non-love letter to Marvel you just provided. Disney is a business that doesn't care about representation or culture. They care about $$$ and I guess "girl bosses" and weak or absentee men gives them just that. It's sad to see how far this franchise has fallen since Civil War 😔
It's amazing how diversity and inclusion seems to only disclude and destroy everything around it
But y'all like the MHEU before that didn't y'all?
The fact this lost ass nigga got a black woman talking like this crazy😂😂
Yep. Maybe I wouldnt have minded Shuri becoming BP if we hadn't already had reports on Chadwick being mad at Disney's plan for the franchise in 2018 or 2019. But since that did happen, makes it seem like this was their plan all along😔
On point Chadwick and Tchala are two different characters
They're tugging real life threads in a fictional movie. They're using the emotion people have for Chadwicks passing and mixing it with the sub par movie. It's deception and manipulation. They should be ashamed of themselves
Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, James Bond, T'Challa and soon Indiana Jones... Male heros are being taken out.
The fact that DC is sleeping on Steel AKA John Henry Irons, is pure madness! That’s a character, if handled right in movie depiction can totally crush
Bro steel is literally on the superman and lois tv show that has 2 seasons🤦♂️
@@maliquematthews903 I’m talking about the big screen my friend. Much wider audience reach than the WB shows
Very well said. I walked out the theater feeling empty after seeing Wakanda Forever. There was definitely some good things, but overall I feel we have been robbed of a better story/experience.
Totally agree, I believe they should have waited and recasted or at the very least started this movie off with Shuri already taking up the mantle of black panther and set it right after the snap giving T'challa the ability to return.
I was waiting to hear your take. This movie for sure was disrespectful. All your points are 100% valid.
Thank You!!!!!!! That's what I said where did this kid come from bro he's not storms kid. Marvel missed two opportunities 1. Recasting Bosman for someone to carry on Black Panther & Bosmans legacy. 2. World building Wakanda and not the current characters aka ( The M-She-U ) they knew what they were doing. Man 1st Marvel making Stan Lee's comics terrible now Bosman smh.
Watching them throw T'Challa in the trash out of "respect" makes me sick.
I am shocked that Marvel allowed Ryan Coogler to do this to the character of T’Challa, and they have the audacity to say it was done out of respect…
The rumor is, Marvel is currently working on a contract with Halle Berry to be storm. She's set to get paid big money. The rumor also claims that they will use storm as a fill in for Tchala. Marvel feels that since storm is a legacy character played by popular actor the fans will be less upset. In fact Marvel plans to bring back all the fox characters as theater bait, but will kill them off like they did in Dr Strange 2. Basically most of the female fox characters will be left alone with other race swapped xmen characters.
The MCU was NEVER based on the comic book storylines. They only use them for inspiration, they are loosely based on them. It's been this way for over a decade which is why we have a black Nick Fury and no Uncle Ben to Peter Parker.
The director made the call, and Marvel honored this two years ago, how long are you fans gonna have the same dated conversation? you watch the MCU for T'Challa, now there's no T'Challa. I can understand you being out. Just like the Iron Man fans and the Steve Roger fans. I just hope you don't become too bitter that you rob yourself from enjoying some entertaining films.
@@TubeWatcher Kevin Feige is that you?
The reason the MCU decided to kill of T'Challa was to fast track Shuri to become Black Panther.
Another major flaw was the introduction of T'Challa's secret son. If they revealed to him his son existed he wouldn't have given up on life and it would have gave him a reason to fight to stay alive.
As for a replacement they should have got John David (Tenet) Washington.
John David Washington would look out of place as Black Panther. Chadwick was 6’1, with an athletic build and masculine facial structure. Washington is 5’9, his face is more round. His build is average looking border-line chubby. Next guy needs to be built like Aldis Hodge or something like that. Tall, athletic, intimidating almost.
Nate Parker should have been the recast
@@sincerelyst.6043 Wooow. That’s a great recast. He had those allegations brought up when he made the Birth of a Nation film but I haven’t seen him since. I wonder if they would cast him.
Aldis Hodge, Yahya Abdul Mateen, all wouldve been great options for a recast. Also am I the only one picking up on a certain stereotype perpetuated with this story decision?🤔
John David Washington is a midget bruh...horrible choice. Y' lan Noel would be a better choice.
Great video man. Keep standing up for what you believe in. I wasn’t too big a fan of the first Black Panther, but after Black Panther 2 I have a new found respect and appreciation for it. When I found out that they killed T’Challa off to a “unknown disease”, was bull****. With all that technology they couldn’t figure out what killed him? I would have let it slide if they just said he died to gamma radiation from holding the infinity gauntlet, but even that’s a stretch. This movie was a mess and it never should have been released until they recasted T’Challa and came up with an actual plan for a sequel.
Why didn't they freeze him like Winter Soldier until they found a cure? They wanted a female Black Panther and they got what they wanted.
@@MURPHYL28 Totally fair point. Or how about, the cure to this "sickness" is the plant that he already ate in the first Black Panther? Like why does he need to eat it again?
@@colinneumann5883 man the whole things stinks. Like, they could have had him in the suit doing something heroic, instead, he dies off screen by an "illness", and it's implied he was too proud to seek help or some shit.
Marvel is going to die a slow death by dropping male heroes, and Black men didn't have many to drop. Their one true hero in the MCU is now a dead, prideful, missing dad.
the fact that they made tchalla’s death seem so much like chadwick was straight up disrespectful
I find it interesting that it takes this for black men to realize the obvious: men (all men) are being replaced in ALL movies by women. Can we please have some push back against this nonsense? Fortunately someone at DC figured out this ridiculous concept is not profitable and stopped Superman and Batman from being gender swapped. This has been going on for years (it happened to Terminator). As John McClane said: welcome to the party. It’s good to see black man finally waking up. They are trying to erase all of us, specially fathers. As a Hispanic man, it didn’t escape me that Namor’s father only gets like five seconds of screen time. Can we all wake the F up?
My opinion is that as soon as Mr. Boseman died the woman who plays Shuri had succeeded in keeping the role uncast so she could step into the role. This has backfired as the 1st movies message+the ebb of wokeness in shows in spectacular fashion. The millions it makes are not from its own merits but the priors successful run and endgames popularity.
the woman who plays shuri was like a sister to chadwick and she kept the role to honour him, it was disney’s fault for all the wokeness they were planning to make shuri the black panther even when chad was alive, it’s in the comics, but i understand why so many people were upset about it
Everything about this feels like a manufactured martyrdom, and selling tickets to a funeral.
Also, 10-20 years from now, are new audiences even going to “get” this film, because they didn’t live through Chadwick’s death?
This is actually the first MCU film I sat out.
Well said. Jonathan Majors should have been recast as T’Challa instead of Kang. He even looks like the original BP from the comic. Huge mistake, they inevitably killed the franchise with the decisions they made in this film. There’s some great individual characters in the marvel universe( none as big as BP) but if done well could set themselves apart but the studio just wants to race and gender swap established classic characters.
Well said. There were no images of strong competent Black men in that movie. period.
So, find positive representation in your own lives. Period. You guys are sad!
@@niax782 is sad
Your words were cool. Did anybody see the after credits? T’Challa’s son name T’Challa is in the MCU. By the time BP 3 comes around he’ll be a young adult and possibly they’ll go the comic book route so him and Storm will marry because mutants are coming to the MCU. These movies are to setup the next 4 to 5 next movies. So yeah they are going to recast him just wasn’t in this movie.
@YAHisrael- Kingdom of Judah 🫰⚡️ You don’t care about future movies? Just _this one_ ? That’s odd.
Chadwick himself wanted the role recast as he thought the character and what he stood for and meant to people was too important to be discarded. I can see why they've introduced a son and called him T'Challa as they'll probably give that character all the OG T'Challa's arcs but due to the age he is when he's introduced that could be 10 years away. I don't want to wait that long to see T'Challa again as he was my favourite character from the MCU. I don't see the appeal as Shuri being the BP in my opinion.
I totally agree with everything you said, and I am not going to see it in the theater because of this. I will watch it when it streams. What they did was wrong.
Not watching even when it streams. Black man representation is so important. Recast Tchalla now.
Straight facts.. the first movie was a hit because the character was bigger then the actor.
If tchalla had been in it he would have still been sidelined. In favor of the message.
i saw this with my kid and they asked what i saw and i said it was good. but it wasn’t. shuri definitely shouldn’t have been black panther. the way they forced the girl power agenda for the whole film. she calls ross a colonizer twice. who did he colonize? and why is she pissed? wakanda was never colonized. and why make namor from the mayans? hes from atlantis!!! so they could talk about spanish colonizing. and the one black strong man is treated like a joke and gets his ass kicked.
First we have She Hulk, a series that boldly bashed men and promoted “Girl Power”. Now we have Wakanda Forever, which killed off the main character and purposely regulated the number of male characters to a few and of those shown, were weak and bowed down to the female characters in the movie. They claim representation, but this is the domination of one gender over another in a iMovie. It’s not even equal representation. There wasn’t an equal number of male and female characters. There was an overwhelming number of more female characters than males. They kill off T’Challa and they don’t even give him a glorious death. No dying while saving his beloved country or sacrificing himself in some way to save others. He died of a virus? No virus outbreak in his country and he was among the many who died. No, just him. I suspect that the female genius created a virus that only killed males. That would explain why there were so few male citizens of Wakanda and male leaders of other nations around Wakanda.
Thank you for voicing my thoughts on this topic. Disney/marvel would NEVER cease from making Spider-Man movies just because the actor who played them passed.
It's an insult to the character of t'challa and audiences who are fans of the Black panther lore.
Black Adam/😄Hawkman was a much better representation for Black men. Sad that we won’t get T’Challa on screen anymore.
T’Challa sent Nakia and his son away to protect them because Thanos was literally at the gates. That’s not an absentee father, that’s a protector. That’s like saying Jor-El is an absentee father
But according to Coogler, T'Challa never knew he had a son...
This movie pretty much sums up how they feel about black men. They will use the black man's dead body to put something else is his place.
That’s not true at all.
@@markmcgowan3692 fatherless homes are replaced with welfare, BLM used two black men in their mission statement, and then pivoted to single mothers, and LGBT. Anytime Democrats speak about systemic racism they now speak about trans people. It's there you don't see it.
Thank you. Majority of what I see about the movie is how great it is. I'm not seeing anyone be honest about a Black Panther movie without Black Panther. Agree with your points.
This movie was an insult and slap in face to all straight men.
Killing T'Challa was a huge blow to the MCU and for black males and young black boys. It is also another aspect of an ongoing problem in this franchise. All the honorable and ethically good male heroes are gone, dead, or turned into a mockery. Boys need someone to look up to too. I had Captain America when I was young and read comics before the MCU came out, as well as Peter Parker who I related too as someone who was also geeky in high school. What do the young generation have now? Black Panther was the last remaining quality Male hero character in the MCU after Endgame and now he's gone too. You know, there's only so much girl power you can cram into a franchise before you realize you may have forgotten an entire demographic, one that is larger than the one you are focusing on. I'm white but I also loved Black Panther in the movies. Him returning in Endgame was epic and made me so happy. It makes me so sad to see what Marvel has become compared to what it used to be. Black Panther has the charisma and popularity to be the face of the MCU in phase four. They blew it.
What I love about this is people thinking they are helping black people with them not replacing T'challa Ive been waiting for this character since I was a kid and as soon as i get him, they retire him, they would never do this to any other character man its just cause he is black, I dont wanna say its "oh he is black so just put another black person in the suit ill be fine" but at the same time they put Riri Williams in the movie cause she is black, she has like noting to do with wakanda. I think personally this is happening because of woke culture someone always trying to make some sort of statement and alot of times they end up doing something more offensive. One of the most important characters in the comics and biggest black character they just retire him and replace him with someone else, I am trying to think of a world where they would happen to Peter Parker.
I feel Disney was going to eventually replace T'Challa with a woman if phase 4 is anything to by, Chadwick's death just pushed the schedule sooner.
Sure Thunderbolt Ross was a 'minor' character and the 'baddie' of one Hulk movie. But it was friggin WILLIAM HURT that played him.
Maybe the youn'uns don't recognize him but Hurt is an Academy Award winning legend of Hollywood. He was one of the last of his generation of actors from the 80's. He wasn't just 'some old guy' they put in the role.
I love Chadwick. But if you can recast Hurt you can recast him. And the world needs T'Challa. Bosemans family said as much when they said they wanted the role to be recast. We fans want a Black Panther. We want a T'Challa.
Hard disagree. Look at the average age of the audience of Black Panther movies, not people old enough to recognize or care who William Hurt was. Most of them are going to recognize Harrison Ford though.
@@TGuard00014 literally just said what I said but in a different way
Great perspective and kudos for your very high production quality!
If rumors are right not even Blade will be safe. Apparently Blade will be killed off and replaced by his daughter that shows up if you can believe it. They call it a sad knock off of Underworld, like wtf 😒 these characters deserve better.
omg!
I dont think a guy like Chadwick would want people squabbling over a fictional character. Yeah he was a shining beacon for all but how quickly his followers snuff his light out by bickering
I was waiting for this one. Okay lets see what you had to say.
When the video just started i thought there was a girl in a BP costume sitting behind him lol
The basically made Tchalla a deadbeat lmao can’t make this shit up 😂😂😂
Some other folks are scared to speak honestly about wakanda forever. They want to keep getting invited to movie premieres. Glad some keep it 💯.
This was absolutely strategic and the absolute worst about all of this is “our” women were to ready and thrilled to support it. They have never had any love or respect for us. Everything they do is for their own vanity and it’s time to call it out
Definitely agree with your analysis of the situation. Even though Black Panther happens to be a character who actually is a mantle (unlike most heroes) the way T'Challa was handled is a huge misstep. If anything it would have been more respectful to just delay the film to provide time to recast instead of rewriting.
Several actors can play batman, superman and James bond and they keep the prestige of the character but they just kill off T'Challa with no though about the young men who are fans of the character, Chadwick as a man was bigger than the role of black panther and his brother said it would be his wish to recast.
Mcu is killing itsself, every movie is the next nail in the coffin at this point
The MSheU is running rampant and wakanda was doomed from the get go. Ryan coogler is a disappointment and wakanda is dead to me
The franchise is dead to me. Wakanda is nothing without T'challa. Disney missed me with this one. Movie was not made for Black Males
Imagine then making a Superman: Metropolis Forever
Why yall still giving Disney your time and money?
It hurts but it is true. This character should have been bigger than the actor and it could have been.
T'Challa being killed off made no sense. They didn't even try to put him on ice or use one of the balls to put him in stasis like they did with Ross in the first Black Panther movie to give Shuri time to find a cure. Also, Shuri couldn't have called any of the other Avengers help her make a cure like Bruce Banner, or even Dr. Richards from the Fantastic Four or ask Dr. Strange to do some type or magic (But that would be asking help from White MEN and we can't have that.....SAD!!!)
All the men in this movie were berated, emasculated, used for jokes and dominated by women in this movie and it was DISGUSTING. Shuri just assumed the Black Panther mantle, didn't earn it or fight for it like all The other Black Panther's before her had to. Where was the ritual ceremony where a tribe could challenge her for the mantle? It gave me Rey "Skywalker" vibes. The people of Wakanda in this movie were arrogant, selfish and treated other races and groups of people as if they were beneath them. T'Challa decided at the end of the first movie to share the Wakandian technology with the world and help other nations and as soon as he passes, Wakanda renigs on that promise and doesn't want to help. It made no sense. The script was horrible and used alot of the same tones from the first movie including Wakanda losing their leader and needing a new king, the same ridiculous colonizer jokes and colonization themes, use of a special herb that gives people powers and an over the top villian we're supposed to sympathize and feel sorry for who was raised without their father.....SMH!!!
And we did not need to see Killmonger in the dream sequence. Shuri could have easily had a conversation with T'Chakka or T'Challa in the ancestral plain. It would have been more impactful, plus T'Challa knew about vengeance from Civil War when he was after Bucky. The line of not being consumed by vengeance would have been great coming from T'Challa to his sister. It would also been ideal to Shuri talk with her father, as father and daughter, something we never saw. It would have been nice to see a father and daughter conversation. This movie purposely stripped the strong men from this movie to push female empowerment and I blame Coogler for that because he wrote the script. He made this movie about Chadwick and female empowerment and basically sidelined T'Challa and Wakanda. We barely saw more of the Wakandian world or tribes. This was not a good sequel to the first movie.
I feel you! You forgot about Black Adam though! Black Adam and Hawkman are Egyptian. Black Panther is our Superman, and his impact on real history is important. I think the movie made a good point of showing how much he was needed.
The movie deviated from the comics and in the movie Black Adam isn’t Egyptian. Aldis Hodge was phenomenal as Hawkman though.
I think it might be the most disrespectful movie I’ve seen as not only did they exploit bosemans death to replace T’challa but the way they had T’challa die was disrespectful to the character giving him the most pointless out of character death in the mcu so far like would it really have been too much to have him die off screen in combat or saving someone like they could’ve had an accident in the vibranium mine with T’challa running in to save people getting caught in a cave in being killed without his suit on to protect him. I think I’m done with the mcu as it’s become clear that marvel/disney don’t care about these characters and just see them as something to piggyback off their popularity!
You hit the nail on the head and I agree with everything you stated. Overall, the movie was a beautiful tribute to Chadwick Boseman and the cinematography, acting, and action was superb. But the franchise feels hollow without a male lead. T'Challa is the heart of Wakanda and definitely should have been recasted! The lack of black men in this movie was disappointing and it says a lot about the state of Disney and Marvel today. The M-She-U is in full effect.
After seeing the movie, I feel the exact same way. I'm not gonna be excited for anything going forward as far as Black Panther and Wakanda. SMH
I can't even see myself supporting another Ryan Coogler movie after what he did. It was already bad enough that he killed off T'Challa, then he kills off RAMONDA too! At that point I was completely done.
What are you even taking about? You not gonna support a REAL brother from Oakland, who was at the helm of two of the biggest movies Marvel has produced because you mad he killed a fictional Queen so that his main character would have a full arch? This is the plot in every great hero movie? Someone always dies. No one cared when Thor’s mom was killed? But we gonna hate on Coogler? Shame.
He shouldn't have killed off T'Challa OR Ramonda.
I said what TF I said! 🗣️🗣️ He chose to take the liberties that he wanted with the direction of the movie and I choose no longer support him with MY money because of it. I don't like Tyler Perry movies or TV shows, I'm not going to indulge in his BS productions just because he's black.
It's like going to a steakhouse where they don't have any cuts of meat just the baked potato and salad and no bacon or cheese for the potato at that! Would have been hard to recast him but not impossible.
I'm with you man. I feel the same exact way. They should've definitely recast and I'm seeing a TON of black people on Twitter saying the same thing, which makes me happy as hell. If they were going to have him die they could've at least shown him in a great battle, sacrificing himself against Galactus or some other HUGE big bad. Black Panther is a much bigger character than they realize. They thought everyone would be happy about this. Okoye and Nakia were the only parts I liked from this second movie. I've been a huge fan of Danai's ever since she debuted on The Walking Dead(I've even met her in real life in Georgia on the filming set and all the other actors).
Good to know the toxic fanbase and black twitter are on the same page!
Nah, I agree with you man. Even if they didn't kill T'Challa with a big bad and instead made it a more mundane sickness or something to try and make it a goodbye letter to Chadwick (maybe cancer, but that could've been super offensive to some) could've worked.
Then before T'Challa's on-screen death have him pass on his legacy to the next best choice.
A reformed Killmonger, who because of his experience with T'Challa and fighting with the rest of the planet against Thanos before the snap, where he's then left to become a community leader again, helping people adjust to the sudden loss of everyone, getting the jobs that need to be done, done.
We see him again when people are restored and he's doing the same thing, helping to ease everyone back into their communities and lives and helping them deal with the culture shock.
Then we can see T'Challa approach him after finding out what he's been up to, being proud of the man Killmonger continued to grow and develop into.
That gives us an opportunity to have T'Challa pass the mantle on to Killmonger, making him swear to live up to the name Black Panther and passing it to him.
Twitter not real place
@@TheLikenessOfNormal Killmonger makes no sense and he is an enemy in the comic books. They could have simply recast him, it was simple to justify, the desease could have badly disfigured him and facial reconstruction would have been necessary.
Killmonger story arc is over, there's no redemption for him, that's the whole point. He was resentful to Wakanda, USA, European countries, etc. He was just a warmonger, resentful and absolute in everything, even in his ideology.
bruhhhhh your post just highlighted that Okoye is played by the same actor as Michonne. TIL.
I completely agree with you. This movie killed the franchise and without T’Challa there’s no reason for me to care about Wakanda or the whole world of Black Panther means nothing to me without the main character. I don’t care, they ruined the franchise by not recasting the character so why would I or any other long term Black Panther fan give an iota of a crap about what happens next with Wakanda going forward. And no I’m not accepting the fatherless son that they are trying to use as a replacement of the MAIN CHARACTER.
Males had no authority whatsoever in this movie. The women in charge would constantly remind them. The movie starts with Suri screaming at the man who told her to be with her brother. Even the artificial intelligence male voice was constantly being degraded by the women. The men on either side of the battles couldn't even fight. The women were just overwhelmed them. When one of the blue villains was fighting with okoye the blue woman in charge just told him what are you doing we don't have time for games. The men in this movie were all emasculated even having to get down on their knees before the women in the beginning of the movie. Neymor's people all had to get on their knees as well. In Wakanda the men didn't have any technology to fight with they were just fighting with sticks and clubs. The women were the only ones who were able to use technology in this movie. This is like a science fiction Color Purple in which the men are either incompetent or unnecessary. Naymore gave his whole life story but he didn't come close to mentioning a father.
This is why we have to write and create our own stories, and finance them ourselves. That way we can do exactly what we want with them without OTHER PEOPLE being involved to negatively influence what we create. Yes a brother wrote and directed the film, but we all know he will never have one hundred percent control of the whole thing.
Damn, I feel bad for the black comic book community. They doing you guys wrong with this Black Panther treatment. Hollywood needs to start making more famous black actors or something. I feel like that's one reason why they didn't recast him. They could have gotten Ice Cube's son as T'Challa or something. In the end, I also feel like they saw Chadwick's death as a great opportunity to push the Girl Power agenda in the MCU.
no. that thinking is so wrong.
they keep hiring the SAME black people foe everything. that does t help anyone. these actors are rich asf they don't represent poor blacks let alone struggling black artist... recasting the same people n holding g thrm in such high regard is why these actors have genome artist.
u need good writing of new stories n characters. no one doing anyone dirty.. this mentality is dirty.
@@npcimknot958 I was joking about the Ice Cube JR comment.
I agree fuck the woke
The full transition into the MSHEU is almost complete. Where is our A Team of Heroes and not this Z Team or whatever they gave. Makes me seriously mad. I have a Marvel sleeve and thinking about getting it covered up with all this political non sense.
they really shoulda recast T’Challa
TChallah i love his name it’s so cool
thanks for voicing out