Internet Addresses DON'T Need Dots!

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  • @DaraulHarris
    @DaraulHarris ปีที่แล้ว +4904

    Surprised you guys didn't mention localhost -- possibly the most popular dotless domain.

    • @user-qw9yf6zs9t
      @user-qw9yf6zs9t ปีที่แล้ว +521

      wdym? by popular do you mean used alot? but im the only one who uses it wtf

    • @youdontknowme5969
      @youdontknowme5969 ปีที่แล้ว +214

      it's not a public DNS domain tho

    • @BulbaWarrior
      @BulbaWarrior ปีที่แล้ว +360

      localhost is not resolved with DNS. It is kind of an alias for an ip address. Fun fact: you can define your own names in /etc/hosts (c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts for windows)

    • @KyleDavis328
      @KyleDavis328 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@youdontknowme5969 No but it does bring up the topic of a computer's local hostname resolver found in the locations mentioned by @Vladislav Kalmyikov, which would be another fun techquickie all in it's own. Setting up local hostnames to get to private in-network services from say a local server.

    • @icarus1656
      @icarus1656 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      @@BulbaWarrior every domain is an alias for an ip yk. besides localhost is in fact a local domain and local domains are never resolved by a dns but instead specified on a local network level which what the video and this comment were referring to.

  • @markusTegelane
    @markusTegelane ปีที่แล้ว +1454

    Also, dotless domains confuse your browser if you’re typing it into an omnibox (it doesn’t understand if it’s a search term or a web address, this is also why the video instructed you to put slashes at the end for the two known dotless domains btw)

    • @mysteryboyee
      @mysteryboyee ปีที่แล้ว +134

      pro-tip: you can also put "" before it to tell the web browser that this is a url and not a search term

    • @markusTegelane
      @markusTegelane ปีที่แล้ว +24

      @@mysteryboyee yeah, I kind of realized that after writing this comment

    • @sarowie
      @sarowie ปีที่แล้ว +28

      @@mysteryboyee yay! save the dot, use a :

    • @dekeonus
      @dekeonus ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@toptierdiscordmod7806 part of the issue of using a domain-less hostname is for things like routers and embedded devices, so they may not support https (or as is often the case I see, ship with self-signed certs).

    • @Raivo_K
      @Raivo_K ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Or use a separate search box like Firefox has (default disabled).

  • @marcusm5127
    @marcusm5127 ปีที่แล้ว +2963

    Makes me happy to know someone stopped Google from abusing their position.

    • @nclsDesign
      @nclsDesign ปีที่แล้ว +185

      Google always abuses their position.

    • @IceBro
      @IceBro ปีที่แล้ว +161

      @@nclsDesign doesn't literally every big company lol

    • @nclsDesign
      @nclsDesign ปีที่แล้ว +109

      @@IceBro That's why they are a big company

    • @james8449100
      @james8449100 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Just don't Google Google it will break the internet

    • @HandledToaster2
      @HandledToaster2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      from abusing*

  • @ciaduck
    @ciaduck ปีที่แล้ว +288

    I've spent a lot of time in my career parsing email and reading the actual IETF RFCs for SMTP to write parsers. A "dotless" domain is totally allowed in the specification. Where it isn't allowed is when you start to add security features such as DMARC/SPF/DKIM headers, Message Digest, Signing, and TLS for SMTPS.
    RFC 5321, section 4.1.2 defines the syntax for email addresses.
    Another "fun" feature is in how the local-part of the email address is defined. There is a lot that is allowed via the spec that most web based email validity parsers mishandle.
    Sorry to be "that guy". As someone who has handled a lot of email, I wanted to let you know you are incorrect.

    • @shinokami007
      @shinokami007 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      thank you kindly :)

    • @mareviq
      @mareviq ปีที่แล้ว +49

      If I had a dollar for every time a web form that said my email address can't have a + in it...

    • @JivanPal
      @JivanPal ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@mareviq They're usually doing that intentionally, because they don't want you to abuse their system by signing up for a million accounts using trivial mailbox aliases.

    • @acuteaura
      @acuteaura ปีที่แล้ว +8

      just remember: the easiest way to validate an email address is to hand it to an MTA and see if it bounces.

    • @MrTechguy365
      @MrTechguy365 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks! Was about to ask already.
      Everybody who wrote a email validation regex knows the pain.

  • @PsRohrbaugh
    @PsRohrbaugh ปีที่แล้ว +168

    Anyone else old enough to remember AOL Keywords?
    AOL was it's own private system in addition to the internet. So while you could enter a domain, you could also enter a "keyword" like "travel" or "weather", and go to the AOL-only page that was there.
    The same was true with email. You could enter someone's "screen name" and only type what's left of the @

    • @generallyunimportant
      @generallyunimportant ปีที่แล้ว +1

      isn't that still the same stuff as in the video, with normal dotless domains? just provider-only.

    • @teebu
      @teebu ปีที่แล้ว +5

      google still owns that. if i type into my url bar i get search. most people google google, and it works 99% of the time, i get exactly what i want without knowing the domain.

    • @Preske
      @Preske ปีที่แล้ว

      I vagely remember my ISP doing something similar.

    • @CathrineMacNiel
      @CathrineMacNiel ปีที่แล้ว +6

      ​@@teebu nope that's not how this works. the "URL bar" of today's browsers is called the omnibar which can handle either URLs or if the input can't be resolved to an URL a preconfigured search engine will get the input instead and delivers a search result page.

    • @JivanPal
      @JivanPal ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CathrineMacNiel *omnibox.

  • @ailivac
    @ailivac ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Except in the DNS protocol internals there's always a dot at the end that you never see in other software. It's significant when you're writing zone files though.

    •  5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly, there's always a dot at the end!

  • @batatamelvin
    @batatamelvin ปีที่แล้ว +63

    Riley quickly became one of my favorite show hosts

  • @tobias124812
    @tobias124812 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    google wanted to register „localhost“ and getting traffic from all machines in the world 😂

    • @gsck5499
      @gsck5499 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Unfortunately even if they wanted to, it wouldn't work. Your operating system automatically resolves localhost to 127.0.0.1, which is the loopback address so the traffic never actually exits your computer's network card.

    • @tomasprochazka6198
      @tomasprochazka6198 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gsck5499 not fully automatically, it's defined by /etc/hosts file

    • @losttownstreet3409
      @losttownstreet3409 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gsck5499 in linux you could redefine localhost and localhost could used for domains but it shouldn't and may break some network software. I don't know if localhost is still in the windows .hosts file but it may by as local .hosts ist still supported as name resolution. I'm happy that network 44 moved on from the local .hostfile in 2008? after they sold a /16 block to Amazon.

  • @ChrisBeardSAP
    @ChrisBeardSAP ปีที่แล้ว +360

    That wasn't a terrible approximation of a British accent. Well done.

    • @giraffes19
      @giraffes19 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      As a brit, it was terrible

    • @wile123456
      @wile123456 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@giraffes19 you brits have so many weird and disgusting local dialects, that no matter how poor an accent is acted, it still fits

    • @FaZekiller-qe3uf
      @FaZekiller-qe3uf ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@giraffes19 as a Brit, you are terrible

    • @mattBLACKpunk
      @mattBLACKpunk ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@giraffes19 meh not worse than most tries on yt

    • @youdontknowme5969
      @youdontknowme5969 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      bri'ish
      yes i just did type that

  • @elpanagabo
    @elpanagabo ปีที่แล้ว +573

    The dotless domain is really a bad idea. It had to be GOOGLE pushing for this. What a surprise 😲

    • @markusTegelane
      @markusTegelane ปีที่แล้ว +120

      Registering "search" for Google also seems like a very monopolistic thing to do.

    • @DLBBALL
      @DLBBALL ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@Crux161 oh ok

    • @pikachu896
      @pikachu896 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@Crux161 what

    • @Mjester12
      @Mjester12 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@Crux161 a broken bot it seems.

    • @foobars3816
      @foobars3816 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      What you don't know is that ICAN already gave them a TLD! They own ".google" and you too can own one for about 200K (+ ongoing yearly costs)

  • @MatHanley
    @MatHanley ปีที่แล้ว +485

    I love Riley, he's great with voice acting. Ltt really starting to feel like a traditional linear tv channel clips come up on youtube so often each day.
    It's like you could loop through all videos in real time and not really notice there's repeats unless you try hard to look for them.

    • @ShadowGirl-
      @ShadowGirl- ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Yes! he's the best!!

    • @n0mad385
      @n0mad385 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Literally my favorite person at LMG. Seems like a fun guy tbh

    • @CoffeyBrew
      @CoffeyBrew ปีที่แล้ว +1

      .coffee is my favorite

    • @datguy-er1mj
      @datguy-er1mj ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So do I!! He’s simply the best next to Linus. Not throwing shade, but he’s even better than Andrew, who I honestly think is grossly overrated.

    • @tobiwonkanogy2975
      @tobiwonkanogy2975 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      theres enough uploaded it run 24/7 and you would never see it all. Not to mention each new channel every day .

  • @mattias3668
    @mattias3668 ปีที่แล้ว +155

    All DNS-adresses end with a dot, but it can be implicit. So all of them have dots (actually I'm not sure about the top-level, it may be the empty string, but I think it is a dot).

    • @olafbuitelaar
      @olafbuitelaar ปีที่แล้ว +31

      Dns is a hierarchy, every dot represents the next leaf node, the root starts with the dot at the end which can be omitted. I suppose if you could link an A record to . Instead of the root servers resolving all tld's you could have a site just being "." Which will be the mother off all sites.

    • @hubertnnn
      @hubertnnn ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@olafbuitelaar I think it would be more of an empty string "" then ".", since the last dot is still a separator like all other dots.

    • @robspiess
      @robspiess ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Without the trailing dot, intranets (local networks) could append the rest of your domain to whatever you typed. It's much like "relative paths" vs "absolute paths", for those who know what those are.

    • @scytob
      @scytob ปีที่แล้ว +13

      you recall correctly it is a dot (and this is just about the worst video i have ever seen on domain names)

    • @odeode4338
      @odeode4338 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This video is so bad and full of bad information. LTT do better!

  • @Graham_Rule
    @Graham_Rule ปีที่แล้ว +89

    Back in the olden days, before the DNS, chaos ruled supreme. Imagine having to download a text file listing ALL the internet sites that you might want to use and then keeping it up to date. At least now there's a clear decentralisation of naming and the TLDs are a major part of that. Of course, when there's a networking problem it is usually because of a DNS misconfiguration.

    • @ailivac
      @ailivac ปีที่แล้ว +9

      DNS still supports CHAOS. But virtually everything uses the IN class now.

    • @GutnarmEVE
      @GutnarmEVE ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "Imagine having to download a text file listing ALL the internet sites" - welcome to FidoNet, where you'd regularly download an updated 'node list', basically a BBS phone book, containing not only name and phone number, but also their max speed, compression standards, and the like.
      But, yeah, prior to DNS, it's all been local and shared /etc/hosts files basically, helping you with not having to remember all those IP addresses. (DNS, basically, is but a networked database of a massive /etc/hosts )

    • @chaos.corner
      @chaos.corner ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The UK was on JANET. Someone managed to find a gateway to the internet (supposedly it was 'stolen' but I always suspected it was leaked for experimental purposes) but the gateway didn't have a hosts file so you needed to find a source for that to get anywhere. That's how I found Nyx.

  • @serpent77
    @serpent77 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I remember when this was common, it was called "America Online" and I believe the single "domain names" were called just "keywords" I like my DNS hierarchy and see no reason to change it thank you! 😎👍

    • @b.quirion
      @b.quirion ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤘😎🤘

    • @JivanPal
      @JivanPal ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That was a browser-specific feature. As long as you didn't use AOL browser (e.g. you used IE or Netscape), you didn't have this feature. If your ISP wasn't AOL, you could still use AOL keywords by using the AOL browser or typing them into AOL's search engine.

    • @JAL_EDM
      @JAL_EDM 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Jesus i feel old...

  • @rchandraonline
    @rchandraonline ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Granted, I have not read every single RFC, but I don't know anything in the relevant SMTP, ESMTP, or DNS RFCs which would prevent a single component domain name from working for sending email. Write an MX record, just like you'd write an A, AAAA, SOA, NS, or indeed any other record type, and you're good to go.

    • @mosti72
      @mosti72 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Based on what I know, yeah, dotless domain names can be used for emails (an example I see quite often is example@localhost) but I think Gmail and probably other web-based email clients are the ones that don't work with dotless domain names.

    • @hermand
      @hermand ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Yeah, that bit was guff. In the wild west days of the early enterprise I worked with a number of internal single word domains, and we had internal email setup for, uh, internal things! Very uncommon now for a myriad of other reasons, but SMTP isn't one

    • @schnitzler001
      @schnitzler001 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hermand was the internal internet for internal things about things happening internally and handled by intern?

    • @dansgalaxy
      @dansgalaxy ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Only one of the things which made my brain itch due to being technically incorrect in this videos 😅

    • @Bunny99s
      @Bunny99s ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, if it doesn't work with a certain piece of software or service, it's most likely an issue with implying a certain domain format restriction which isn't in the RFC / spec. Just look up how people recommend RegEx expressions to verify email addresses. This may actually be the source of the issue that the software actively refuses the address for no other reason.
      Since I've written my own DNS server (in C# which is running on my raspberry pi with mono) just for fun, I actually was knee deep in the DNS RFCs and I almost went nuts^^. There are so many extensions nowadays that it's almost impossible to include them all. Though the funny thing is that DNS doesn't have any "dots" at all in the protocol itself :) The protocol transmits hierarchical labels. In the protocol labels have a byte prefix that contains the length of the label. There are no dots transmitted in a request or response. The label system is even smart enough to allow references to other labels in the same request / response to save some space. This is actually pretty neat. So if a response includes something like ns1.my.awesome.domain.com, ns2.my.awesome.domain.com, ns3.my.awesome.domain.com it may be encoded as
      [3]ns1[2]my[7]awesome[6]domain[3]com[0] The other domains would be encoded like this: [3]ns2[0xC0][offset to the "my" label] and [3]ns3[0xC0][offset to the "my" label]. Technically a single label can't be longer than 63 characters. Any "length" value greater than 63 indicates a reference to any other point in the whole message. Reading / resolving a name means you just follow the chain until you reach a 0 length label which indicates the end. Note that an offset contains the lower 8 bits in the second byte and an additional 6 bits in the first byte. So an offset can be 16k instead of only 255. Usually DNS is served over UDP so you're naturally limited to about 512 bytes per message (request / response). Though DNS also works over TCP where the "packets" can be as long as necessary.
      Most commonly used DNS config files that use the bind syntax actually include the "root dot" to the right of the TLD. Most browsers or software which do DNS lookups would not use / interpret that correctly, but in the config it's common to see that extra dot to distinguish a sub domain namespace from a top level domain. Those config files are also build hierarchical. So a zone file could just define records within the zone they belong to without the need to write out the full domain name.

  • @JivanPal
    @JivanPal ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Actually, all domain names end with a dot, you just don't have to type it, but you can if you want. See RFC8499 § 2 "Names", subsection "Format of names", for the distinction between the "presentation format" and the "common display format" (the latter being what's discussed in this video).

  • @AndreFG
    @AndreFG ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Imagine the scammers paradise it would be if dotless domains were more common, literally any word could be used like "winner/"

    • @armaan_44
      @armaan_44 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      How ironic.. you have a spam reply

    • @tomikun8057
      @tomikun8057 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      haha the winner was the spambot's keyword

    • @photoniccannon2117
      @photoniccannon2117 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      irs/

    • @Tadfafty
      @Tadfafty ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tomikun8057 HAhahahhaha

  • @julioc_oliveira
    @julioc_oliveira ปีที่แล้ว +18

    You can add any custom domain on C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts (Windows) or /etc/hosts (Linux) but it only works for you. Those pn/ ai/ didn't worked on my PC or Mobile. Maybe does not work on cloudflare DNS.

  • @cushmanproductions
    @cushmanproductions ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The company I work at uses quite a few "dotless domains" on our internal network to access various services. The biggest issue is that all the web browsers also use the address bar as a search bar now, and sometimes when they see a dotless domain, they see it as a search term instead of figuring out if it's actually a valid address.

    • @JohnSmith-sk7cg
      @JohnSmith-sk7cg ปีที่แล้ว

      Firefox has an option in the settings to split up search and address bar

    • @KaitouKaiju
      @KaitouKaiju ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those are probably just hostnames, not dotless domains. The work computers are typically all part of the same corporate intranet so they behave the same as a local network.

  • @yaroslavpanych2067
    @yaroslavpanych2067 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Except domain records are stored with tail dot. So there are always dot in domain name

    • @harryjohnson7714
      @harryjohnson7714 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope. Not all of them are stored with a tail dot

    • @dekeonus
      @dekeonus ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@harryjohnson7714 the top (root) level "." is implied if left off. So while a dns management tool or system may not display it, it is treated as present.
      I shall also point out that the root dot is in the spec.
      RFC 1034: Domain names - concepts and facilities
      section 3.1 Name space specifications and terminology
      "Since a complete domain name ends with the root label, this leads to a printed form which ends in a dot."

    • @rbt-0007
      @rbt-0007 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@harryjohnson7714haha, you can’t go against RFC

  • @Jamiered18
    @Jamiered18 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Odd that Google wanted to do that, with no trailing slash too, given that it would mess up search. Now that the browser address bar is now also the search bar, there's got to be a clear difference between a URL and search term. It's not uncommon to want to search for only one word.

    • @Biergartenparadoxon
      @Biergartenparadoxon ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Of course they wanted to register w/o the trailing slash. That slash is not part of the domain name. DNs even *must not* contain slashes. It's just one part of the URI. It's just that modern Browsers let you use incomplete URIs and try to figure out the rest for your covienence. Is it even a incomplete URI or a search term, is it http or https, on which port etc. But sometimes (especially on dotless domains) the Browser just guesses wrong. The trailing slash just gives the Browser a hint that you meant an incomplete URI instead of a search term and may or may not work on different browsers (and settings). The better and more correct part to give as a hint would be the protocol part i.e. or

    • @Jamiered18
      @Jamiered18 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Biergartenparadoxon For sure, you can even see this by adding the protocol, typing pn for instance, so that it doesn't get confused. Big problem though is that it does otherwise get confused and I really see no way to differentiate between a single word search term or a single word URL in the same field unless you include some special characters like that; so why on earth Google, who's known for search and for the Chrome browser, wanted to make this more confusing is beyond me

    • @Biergartenparadoxon
      @Biergartenparadoxon ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Jamiered18 Of course I agree that it was a dumb idea for those reasons in the first place. Just disagree with "Odd that Google wanted to do that, with no trailing slash" since the trailing slash is not part of what you can register but a detail about how to use it afterwards.

  • @MrAssChapman
    @MrAssChapman ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ever since Chrome created the all-in-one bar at the top of the browser instead of having a search bar I've also always expected any dotless query I type in to execute a search rather than go to a specific domain.

  • @rusprice
    @rusprice ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As a website developer who thought I knew a lot about DNS and everything, I had no idea this was a thing!

    • @robspiess
      @robspiess ปีที่แล้ว +6

      If it helps, most system administrators don't even know everything about DNS. There's a lot.

    • @jacksoncremean1664
      @jacksoncremean1664 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@robspiess tbf dotless domains is a pretty stupid idea

  • @trissylegs
    @trissylegs ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Google did break some people's local config. Some developers used to internally register .dev for internal development sites. Then google register .dev as a gTLD. That's fine as long as there are no collisions. Until google changed the chrome so that all .dev domains had to be https by putting them in the HSTS preload list.

  • @jeffchau89
    @jeffchau89 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You should do a techquickie on the many different pronunciations of Asus.

  • @TetraSky
    @TetraSky ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I remember long ago when Opera had /. shortcut for slashdot. But it doesn't work anymore.

    • @punkdigerati
      @punkdigerati ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember Opera from long ago..

  • @TheL0wner
    @TheL0wner ปีที่แล้ว +1

    lots of isps used to use internal domains like "mail" and "news" to make settings easy for new internet users.

  • @mb00001
    @mb00001 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    This video shows there is always something new to learn, i had no idea that top level domains could be used independently of domains, but it does explain 'localhost' which in retrospect was a clue hiding in plain sight

    • @scytob
      @scytob ปีที่แล้ว +5

      no it doesn't because localhost is not a domain (dotless or otherwise) it is a hostname - this video is wrong and misleading in many respects

    • @alexatkin
      @alexatkin ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@scytob Par for the course with these, they always miss some of the finer details of the topic. Like for clarity they should surely have mentioned things like .local which AFAIK is most often used on a LAN rather than dotless domains.

    • @FL-lv9zo
      @FL-lv9zo ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alexatkin unfortunately with this video they missed it completely, from the main topic down to the details

    • @mb00001
      @mb00001 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@scytob well tell me why my googling verified it is a top level domain, but one that can't appear in a public dns because it is reserved and has a few other oddities based around conventions formed around how it is treated
      There are 3 other reserved tlds they are 'test', 'example' and 'invalid' and this is all documented in rfc2606
      I've given you enough to get you going now its on you because you spouted off without anything to support your argument

    • @scytob
      @scytob ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alexatkin i agree .local is interesting, it also isn't actually DNS, it is mDNS - which is an entirely different resolver system and technology with a confusingly similar name :-) - what people don't seem to realize is any hostname used in a URI is not implicitly a DNS name, it could be an mDNS, DNS, netbios, widows broadcast or one of another number of name resolution protocols !

  • @stephenbenner4353
    @stephenbenner4353 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Starbucks claimed the trademark “twenty” for their large 20 oz size coffee and successfully sued another chain who was using the same name. Of course it was actually called a “venti,” which is just twenty in Italian. I guess if it’s a foreign word we can trademark it.

  • @TwilightShadowVideo
    @TwilightShadowVideo ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This was really informative! I honestly had never given this much thought, but you can bet that I will be now!

  • @CAMintmier
    @CAMintmier ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Neither pn/ nor ai/ worked for me. Chrome on Win 11 using Cloudflare DNS.

    • @abc33155
      @abc33155 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ai./ (with dot) works for me in Windows. pn. works on iOS with Safari (it redirects to government.pn)

  • @bountyhunter6180
    @bountyhunter6180 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I see Riley. I laugh before clicking, then laugh again when he throws in jokes before 5 seconds. 🤣😂

  • @tobysimmons4139
    @tobysimmons4139 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Not gonna lie that email gag was unexpected and made me laugh a lot.

  • @xByt3z
    @xByt3z ปีที่แล้ว +13

    If it doesn't work in your browser, try put a dot anyway. So "pn." or "ai."
    The local domain that Riley talks about is also known as a "search domain". Putting a dot behind the hostname: no search domain tried.

    • @D.G.M.
      @D.G.M. ปีที่แล้ว

      Worked when I typed the full address: ai/

  • @Ubeogesh
    @Ubeogesh ปีที่แล้ว +2

    RFC standard for email addresses even allows IP address instead of domains. Why wouldn't it work with a dotless donain?

  • @photonic
    @photonic ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On a related note, IP addresses also don't need dots. The dotted decimal format is the most common way to represent an IP address, but there are many other valid formats. You used to be able to craft IP addresses with 0, 1, 2, or 3 dots, using whatever mix of octal, decimal, and hexadecimal you wanted. You could even pad some of the numbers with extra data that would be ignored. It made it really easy to obfuscate IP addresses. And all web browsers and command line tools would decode them the same way. But modern computers are a lot more picky. It's a lot harder to find support for the alternative formats these days.

  • @tanmaygemini
    @tanmaygemini ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Huh. I thought that Google would've been against dotless addresses. Anytime someone types just 'amazon' on a browser that has Google as its default search engine, it leads them to a Google result page. But I guess people typing 'search' could be more profitable for them.

    • @KyleDavis328
      @KyleDavis328 ปีที่แล้ว

      In the current world where everyone has a single address/search combination bar with their default browser set to Google anyway, I think it would make more sense for Google to be against it, for the same reasons. It's hard to imagine more people search for "search" than they do external websites without the tld.

    • @dekeonus
      @dekeonus ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That additional profitability of .search .app .docs .eat .meme (and others) is exactly what google wanted (they also, likely, wouldn't bother paying other browser makers to have google as the default search provider).

  • @sudokode
    @sudokode ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In reality, every domain has a dot at the end representing the root, but it's always added on to DNS requests for you because it's the only dot in a domain that you can infer. Thought the video might mention this, but NOPE LOL DOTLESS DOMAIN BRUH!

  • @carters.9814
    @carters.9814 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've been studying to get computer certifications, being able to understand these different services and records and ports makes me so happy.

  • @jak10987
    @jak10987 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    4:05 We’ll be right back. I love this 😂

  • @GordonHudson
    @GordonHudson ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Microsoft used to sell internet "keywords". You could buy a word and when someone typed it into Internet Explorer it redirected to your choice of web sites. They were sold like domain names.

    • @Muzikman127
      @Muzikman127 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      that's evil genius haha

  • @shootinglowleft522
    @shootinglowleft522 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I want a tech quicky on what is a website. Who owns them? What is GoDaddy? Where is the information stored? When I buy a website, who do I pay? Can I make a random address or domain? If a website is seized, is it gone forever?

    • @davidparke8896
      @davidparke8896 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is a good idea. Someone should make this. I know the answers to this though.

    • @davidparke8896
      @davidparke8896 ปีที่แล้ว

      GoDaddy is a company that is accredited by ICANN (2:23) to register addresses for people, and they host content on their special computers that serve the content to the viewer from the network.

    • @dekeonus
      @dekeonus ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidparke8896 ummm does godaddy have ip ranges to allocate to customers? Did you mean to say register (domain) names?

    • @davidparke8896
      @davidparke8896 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dekeonus Yeah, they register domain names for people, yeah. I’ve heard of URLs being called “web addresses” for some reason.

  • @TaylorPassofaro
    @TaylorPassofaro ปีที่แล้ว

    This was an specifically good episode. Nice and informative and presented and edited well. Cheers.

  • @WillKemp
    @WillKemp ปีที่แล้ว

    As far as SMTP not being able to deal with dotless domains goes, I haven't checked lately, but I'd hope SMTP still supports bang paths, to be backwards compatible with UUCP - no dots there necessarily, but some "!"s

  • @patchon25
    @patchon25 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You forgot to mention that all domains have an implicit dot at the end, so technically there are no dotless domains.

  • @timseguine2
    @timseguine2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My ISP seems to block those DNS lookups

  • @Gamefreak924
    @Gamefreak924 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A lot of people mentioning that it does not work on mobile or desktop. Most reports from Windows or Android users. Works for me on iOS 10.3.3, Safari. Saw one guy saying it works with Chrome on Mac

    • @K-Anator
      @K-Anator ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yea DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN with Chrome on Win10. Both work on Chrome for Android.

  • @pardal_bs
    @pardal_bs ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm pretty sure the SMTP protocol itself supports dotless domain names. Not sure if there are any SMTP implementations which don't, but they technically should.

    • @autohmae
      @autohmae ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Most SMTP servers even support IP-addresses, etc.

  • @DmnkRocks
    @DmnkRocks ปีที่แล้ว +4

    SMTP does not care, what domain (or not) you type in ther... your mail client and/or your free-mail service would mind... maybe, in the webui...
    but smtp works fine with anything - the RFC specifies only @

    • @dekeonus
      @dekeonus ปีที่แล้ว

      I will add the dotless domain is required to work - because the local delivery agent would then be expecting that to be a hostname of a system on the local network

    • @CathrineMacNiel
      @CathrineMacNiel ปีที่แล้ว

      don't forget that you can have ipv6 instead of a hostname even with partial numbers. or user:password in front of the @. also you can use the user:password for regular websites that have htaccess as well to authenticate yourself directly.
      URLs are fascinating.

  • @Veeger
    @Veeger ปีที่แล้ว +5

    pn/ and ai/ both came up as unsecure not using HTTPS

    • @eugenb9017
      @eugenb9017 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For me they didn't worked at all... For such a channel with quite a big team it's incredible how bad examples they gave :(

    • @jacksoncremean1664
      @jacksoncremean1664 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      that's prob because a CA can't issue a certificate for it

  • @error__music
    @error__music ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like how you've chosen to use the flags of Guernsey and the British Indian Ocean Territory at 1:05

  • @daeinballard3038
    @daeinballard3038 ปีที่แล้ว

    yeah I always assumed the dot is what told your browser you were looking for an address outside your network. I run webservers for personal local network use all the time and if dotless domains were allowed I'd be confused.

  • @robertfullard5646
    @robertfullard5646 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    The recent set of Techquickies has been really good, well produced and very informative.
    Love seeing Riley stretch his legs. He's a great presenter.
    Well done.

    • @FL-lv9zo
      @FL-lv9zo ปีที่แล้ว

      except this one was really bad. Just plain wrong from the top level down to the details

  • @kamgarvey119
    @kamgarvey119 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    As a person who lives in Anguilla, can confirm .ai indeed works. Great vid!

    • @jr2904
      @jr2904 ปีที่แล้ว

      Must be nice, but why is there a little dix next to cauls bottom?

    • @kamgarvey119
      @kamgarvey119 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jr2904 mann idk lool

  • @chrispostle3871
    @chrispostle3871 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brit here - that phishandsiliconchips gag damn near killed me. Well played!

  • @xirtus
    @xirtus ปีที่แล้ว

    doesnt work for me on my desktop in brave, why?

  • @artemisDev
    @artemisDev ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I thought it was about IPv6. What a surprise.

  • @OcteractSG
    @OcteractSG ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Dotless domains would also be a problem for web browsers, as the address bar is almost always used as a search bar (Firefox can still do a dedicated search bar, but I doubt anyone uses it anymore).

    • @BurgerKingHarkinian
      @BurgerKingHarkinian ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do

    • @reoencarcelado5904
      @reoencarcelado5904 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Octeract-[SG]:
      I still use it :-)

    • @dekeonus
      @dekeonus ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In firefox, even if you have the dedicated search bar enabled, searching is still performed from address bar (there might be about:config items to turn address bar search off, but I've not investigated).

    • @OcteractSG
      @OcteractSG ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dekeonus Yeah, I seem to recall the address bar working anyway.

  • @AndreasChrisWilhelmer
    @AndreasChrisWilhelmer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Technically the root oft the DNS tree, which all top level domains are relative to, is marked by a dot as well. So if you wrote a hostname in a URL without omitting anything, it would end in a dot even if it was just a TLD. It's just that the last dot can be committed without introducing ambiguity, so Browsers have come to accept domains that ommit the dot denoting the root. But technically speaking TLDs have a trailing dot as well.
    (See RFC 2181; See also RFC 1123, RFC 952 and RFC 921;)

  • @syberghost
    @syberghost ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Of course, every domain (even "dotless" ones) actually ends in an implied "." which is the actual toplevel domain. You just rarely see it outside of DNS configuration files because it's the case 100% of the time, and thus can be implied.

  • @BeanCoffeeBean
    @BeanCoffeeBean ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *Tries ai/ and pn/* ... does not work 😅

    • @abc33155
      @abc33155 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ai./ (with dot) works. pn. only on iOS (redirects to government.pn).

  • @Sayansv
    @Sayansv ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That uk accent got me bruh 😂.!
    Idk why i was expecting a "boddle of waddar"

  • @ba_em
    @ba_em ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another reason dotless domains are bad is because they confuse browsers. If you type ‘london’ and hit enter, how does it distinguish that you want the google results page, or the domain under that name (say, a government website).

  • @chaos.corner
    @chaos.corner ปีที่แล้ว

    You can also do a single number which translates to a dotted IP if I recall correctly. (May be outdated information)

    • @KaitouKaiju
      @KaitouKaiju ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, you'll basically get something like 0.0.0.13

  • @joshuad1716
    @joshuad1716 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ai/ didn’t work on mobile chrome

    • @ecoao80
      @ecoao80 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did for me on android

    • @guadalupe8589
      @guadalupe8589 ปีที่แล้ว

      It does, simply ignore the security warning and press, "continue to site"

    • @_lonath_
      @_lonath_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't use wi-fi, use mobile data, i think he should've explained Properly

  • @kaashout578
    @kaashout578 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Why doesn't this work on desktop?

    • @smashed_penguin
      @smashed_penguin ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Your browser is probably trying to access an intranet site as suggested in the latter half of the video.

    • @_Doskii
      @_Doskii ปีที่แล้ว

      Browsers generally just assume you are trying to search for something

    • @ChekeredList71
      @ChekeredList71 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      pn/ doesn't works? It's because your browser probably doesn't treat it as a URL so it just googles it.
      *Try typing: http:/pn/*
      Edit: same with the other site, *http:/ai/* works.

    • @abc33155
      @abc33155 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ai./ (with dot) works for me in Windows (Firefox requires the slash, Edge doesn’t). pn. (with dot) works on iOS (it redirects to government.pn) but not on Windows.

  • @saintjupi
    @saintjupi ปีที่แล้ว +2

    the editing in this is a piece is memey art

  • @nathan471
    @nathan471 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Had no clue this was even a thing! Great video as always!

  • @tvhoang
    @tvhoang ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That push from Google in order to make "search" and "maps" redirecting to them is pretty smart

  • @smit816
    @smit816 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    @1:05
    reminds me of that joke, why is it prenounced bri - ish?
    because they drank the T

    • @VVZyt
      @VVZyt ปีที่แล้ว +2

      lol thats soooo hilarious

  • @FlameRat_YehLon
    @FlameRat_YehLon ปีที่แล้ว

    As long as the computer has the HOSTS configured or is using the DNS provided by the router, I doubt there's any issue for it to understand what is what. So I guess security is the real issue here.
    Also the browser and file explorer can indeed get confused. And in fact I think some software don't even quite understand .local domains (that are reserved for local assignment only), let alone dotless.

  • @archetype0
    @archetype0 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Eric Andre bit at 4:03-4:10 has me in stitches 😆

  • @patemathic
    @patemathic ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fun fact: no domains are dotless. However, the dot at the end is almost always hidden from the end-user.
    You can force your browser's omnibox to treat your LAN DNS as an address by putting a dot at the end (e.g. printer.lan. instead of printer.lan)

  • @acuteaura
    @acuteaura ปีที่แล้ว +4

    No. Your firewall decides if a host is local or not based on the address returned, not the DNS name. .local is the only exception, at it implies handing the resolving off to mDNS (aka Apple Bonjour aka Zeroconf) instead of your proper DNS.

    • @Rust_Rust_Rust
      @Rust_Rust_Rust ปีที่แล้ว

      No

    • @paulsaulpaul
      @paulsaulpaul ปีที่แล้ว

      Nothing you wrote is correct outside of your limited environment and experience. And you should use .internal for your lan dns suffix. It’s what Google uses and is generally agreed that it will never be used as a public top level domain.
      Your firewall may run a dns server. Your operating system does not force you to use it. You may have configured your firewall to capture dns traffic and redirect them to the local dns server it runs, but I’d wager a guess that you have not done this, as it would be implemented in an enterprise network for security, etc.
      That said, I can’t stand this Linus guy and his channels. I thought I had blocked them all. I’ve become stupider by wasting my time here. It as if I have attempted to bail water out of a sinking boat with a tablespoon.

  • @eructationlyrique
    @eructationlyrique ปีที่แล้ว

    local dotless domains usually work very differently than tld based one on the web. They rely on a search domain to get a fully qualified domain name, so you're actually visiting a shorthand dotless version of a site with a fully qualified domain name

  • @xarfram
    @xarfram ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Also makes sense because having a dot in every web address makes it easier to convey in text/speech

  • @kj4derEchte
    @kj4derEchte ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Complete fakenews dotless Domains dont exist. Each Domain or FQDN is follower by a dot at the end. So the Domain is not 'ai/' it is 'ai./' the Browser is just hiding this dot.

  • @rajanbhateja6844
    @rajanbhateja6844 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Riley's voice acting is top notch

    • @ILoveMyBikes
      @ILoveMyBikes ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No it isn’t…but it is funny.

    • @Dudae_
      @Dudae_ ปีที่แล้ว

      Tell me you're not a brit

    • @ILoveMyBikes
      @ILoveMyBikes ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Dudae_ I can’t tell you I am not a Brit.

    • @Dudae_
      @Dudae_ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ILoveMyBikes [I meant the other guy]

    • @linuxization4205
      @linuxization4205 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can reassure you, your wrongness is top notch.

  • @laptopleon6386
    @laptopleon6386 ปีที่แล้ว

    Makes me think of that time T-Mobile (Germany branch) tried to patent the color magenta. Even with success when it came to telecom ads.

  • @forplayplay
    @forplayplay ปีที่แล้ว

    there is still a dot, even if it doesn't appear in the UI to simplify things for end users

  • @player-vo8yb
    @player-vo8yb ปีที่แล้ว +3

    nice bi'ish accent 1:05

    • @Tunca_Arslan
      @Tunca_Arslan ปีที่แล้ว

      👆👆congratulations🎊you have been randomly selected among my shortlisted winners you just won a prize🎁🎁🎁...

  • @agentanderson7005
    @agentanderson7005 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pov: youtubers in ohio

    • @mrowlsss
      @mrowlsss 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      what?

  • @Nofxthepirate
    @Nofxthepirate ปีที่แล้ว

    Domains make a lot more sense to me now that I had to write the thing that translates domain names into IP addresses in networking class.

  • @cmyk8964
    @cmyk8964 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you replace all the . in your Web address with %2E any address can be a “dotless” domain

  • @Yashuop
    @Yashuop ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Claim your “here within an hour” ticket right here❤️

  • @FireStormOOO_
    @FireStormOOO_ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The dot is always there at the root of the DNS namespace whether you type it or not; can't get rid of it that easily.

  • @xXDragonWarrior3872Xx
    @xXDragonWarrior3872Xx ปีที่แล้ว

    pn/ and ai/ aren't working in Chrome Beta in MacOS 10.14
    nor in android DuckDuckGo
    nor in android Edge
    ...what are they supposed to go to?

  • @DionMalimbag
    @DionMalimbag 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    that email explosion was unexpected but hilarious

  • @bland9876
    @bland9876 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lots of websites don't have the www. Anymore and I've even seen 2 website one with and one without.

  • @rodrrico
    @rodrrico ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the little Tim and Eric reference 4:06

  • @laurensholthof
    @laurensholthof 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Docker dns also uses dotless domains internally to resolve to ips

  • @thecorneliusexperience
    @thecorneliusexperience ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:05 sounded like, french/italian/croatian/maltese

  • @pranavdeshpande6779
    @pranavdeshpande6779 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Was just studying dns for a exam and this popped up

  • @nodvick
    @nodvick ปีที่แล้ว

    that's why hosts.ini and arp tables exist. You don't lax security just because there is no dot, you do so because hosts sends you to a 10.0 or a 192.168. additionally, local namespaces CAN have dots.

  • @soniablanche5672
    @soniablanche5672 ปีที่แล้ว

    the hosts file allows you to map a dotless domain to any ip

  • @talon262
    @talon262 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not gonna lie, the "exploding email" bit had me rolling.

  • @biscoito1r
    @biscoito1r ปีที่แล้ว

    So I tried pn/ and ai/ and I received "Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site." on both occasions.

  • @PindleofKujata
    @PindleofKujata ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why am I not surprised that Google tried to do another antitrust thing? That's like AOL keywords. No one uses AOL anymore.

  • @Meshamu
    @Meshamu ปีที่แล้ว

    How can I access the dotless domains? What do I do to my browser, operating system, etc.? What DNS servers support dotless domains?

  • @ooltimu
    @ooltimu 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What's it about SMTP that doesn't accept dotless domains? I remember playing with it and sending mail to local servers