Dr. Ashenden, as a cradle Catholic (67) I have always wondered about the large number of saints who speak on the “fewness of the saved” and it has troubled me greatly. Jesus Himself speaks of the soft, wide, easy road that “many” choose and the narrow difficult road that “few” take. I would appreciate it tremendously if you would speak on the topic in the future. Thank you and God Bless you sir.
Hello from Tasmania Dr. Ashenden. I enjoy hearing your explanation of our Faith. The children at Fatima saw Hell and were horrified and so prayed many many many Rosaries so people wouldn’t go there . 😊.
Yes. The teaching of our Lady through the apparitions is of enormous importance and significance. Thank you for raising it. I was trying to keep things brief.
to Wendy Harrap, it is not "Faith" but in uncertainty 'belief' or "believed" (Lk 1:45). The keeping in uncertainty of the inseparability and qualitative equality of thinking and having faith is belief. Dt Ashenden's purported objectivity separates objective thinking and subjective having faith.
I’m not a theologian by any stretch of the imagination, but I’ve often thought that hell is not where souls go when God shuts them out, but where souls go when they shut God out.
to Kjt, it depends on one's definition of God as to whether either God or souls shuts the other out makes sense. "I AM WHO I AM" as reported who God as doing states God is as been at Exodus 3:14 is a keeping of the inseparability and qualitative equality of doing and been. How is a keeping to shut out or be shut out?
@@stephenbaker7079 If opposing Pope Francis and Fiducia Supplicans one is complicit in embezzlements of procreation role gifts and an unacceptable risk of fraud on need of union of identities. These respectively economic and non-economic offences are occult as hidden and incest connected as substitute mate. They are the purpose of grooming by diseased family member 'familyists' of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members with a non-economic status inducement of "higher vocation" (TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 35; cf. St Paul 1Cor7:25-34) of consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ to consecrated male female marriage vowed to God. The extreme tensions caused by these offences were withstood by Pope Francis' consent on 17 June 2021 to be joined in consecrated marriage in uncertainty of his belief in present moment real presence in the particular circumstances of his consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ as qualitatively equal and inseparable with consecrated male female marriage vowed to God on the reference point of ensuring procreation role gift and insuring need of union of identity by these two consecrated marriages of Mary at RSV Lk 1:38, celibate: "let it be to me", and at RSV Mt 1:24, male female: "Joseph ... took his wife". The consecrated celibate marriage of Pope Francis on 17 June 2021 kept in uncertainty of his belief on this reference point of Mary's two consecrated marriages the inseparability and qualitative equality of it: (a) ensuring procreation in the case of alleged embezzlements of his procreation role gift tax-exempt charity donations by ten of his Vatican state citizens/employees, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu, (b) insuring union in the case of an unacceptable risk of fraud on his need of union of his identity as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ by the Italian Parliament "Zan" ant-homophobia bill
Matthew 25:41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
LOVE that William Camden poem! I also like the Jesus Prayer that mainly Orthodox Christians pray. When I'm tired, sick or generally irritable - I can always muster this: "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner"
To commit a mortal sin, you need to be very much conscious of what you are doing. You must understand that it is sinful but decide to do it anyway. So, please stop worrying about unconscious sins way back in your life and not remembered.
What a very lucid, beautifully put, consoling talk! Dr. Ashenden, in this time when the Church is tempest-tossed, and the world outside is full of Satan's victorious armies laying waste God's Earth and destroying God's children, that you should so powerfully carry to us the message of the Holy Spirit is a blessing for which I pray that you may be blessed. 🙏🕊❤
The fear of the Lord is the very start ,the beginning of wisdom and of knowledge, understanding too . It's in Proverbs , mentioned a couple of times. When you fear God,you fear nothing else. Especially scoffers and cynics that have driven good people into the hellscape we find ourselves in today As the Psalms say...The fool says there's no God...and believes it too. Let them go to hell.
Thank you Dr G for your words and Wisdom. We need so much to hear the words of truth. Many people have no idea what they will face when we die. God bless you. And keep the videos coming.
Hi @myangelwings45 ! Do you know NDE? Have you listened to the reports of what could be heaven and hell from NDErs? Have a look: it’s very interesting. Regards.
Greetings from Maryland. It’s always a treat to get my coffee, groggily open up TH-cam to get a little news, and see Gavin (or the 3) pop up. I think this is a very necessary, albeit painful, topic. Thank you for reminding us what Jesus said about Hell. If He said it, we’d better take note. Oh, boy! What we have in the culture, and especially in the schools, is that no one fears consequences anymore, and many, in certain Marxist-like regions, don’t turn to God. Your frequent spiraling back to this theme is sobering. But, since I see what the world is like without consequences or fear of the Lord, I’m beginning to understand that my own formation was missing some of this, as faux compassion went rampant-even and especially in theology school. I appreciate what you do and the hope with which you liberally sprinkle your talks. “This Hell passes.” Thank you for all you do. (If anyone out there can tell me how donating works w/Catholic Unscripted outside UK, please let me know. It indicates British pounds on the website. Does it matter when you start to donate? Not experienced with sites like this. Donating directly to Gavin had options.)
Dear Dr. Ashenden: Maybe the Pope meant that God's love has the power to save us from hell. I know that when I was in hell when I lost my mind due to severe, severe depression and was hospitalized for 1.3 years in 1984, God scooped me out of hell and brought me to life. I understand the Pope. We must believe that God will love all persons until eternity with no end, but we know, unfortunately, time is running out, and oh, how this pains me, that not all people will be saved. I pray they will. How I pray with all my heart. If I were in hell and saved, all people can be saved, my ultimate prayer. Amen.
Brilliant as usual, Dr Gavin. Also, and I know you were trying to keep it brief, the vision St Faustina received, that is sobering and no doubt true and rather recent. God bless you and keep you safe. I too, dont want to be judged on my conscience.
Dr Ashenden's exposition provides an excellent encapsulation of what for me is a Christian conundrum: 1. When the Jewish prophet Jonah reaches Nineveh, the capital of the Assyrian empire, a mortal enemy of Israel, he warns them of doom in this world if they do not fast and repent. The Assyrians were polytheists (7 gods) but there is no suggestion in the OT or the historical record that Jonah effects a conversion of the inhabitants of Nineveh to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. All that is required is fasting and repentance. Likewise, there is no suggestion of any need for any vicarious atonement, because of an inability of the sinners in Nineveh to free themselves. 2. This pattern is followed by all the Jewish prophets who threaten doom in this world, crop failure, drought, destruction at the hand of enemies, as the punishment for sin. They rarely, if ever say that the penalty is hell, and never invoke the need for vicarious atonement, although return to the God of Israel is always required "return to me and I will return to you". 3. Dr. Ashenden says in effect that God says believe in me, but you will go to hell if you exercise the free will I have given you, not to believe in me. The trouble with hell is that faith is required for the threat of it to be effective, i.e. it is non-verifiable. In contrast, the this world consequences In the OT are verifiable. For example, chapters 29 and 30 of Deuteronomy refer to the choice between life and good on the one hand, and death and evil (this world consequences), on the other. 4. While hell is mentioned in the OT, many Jewish texts merely state that certain unrepentant sinners "have no place in the world to come".
As Dismas asked our Lord's favor, we share with this thief human reason and freedom to choose our eternal destiny. His burden is easy and his yoke light, however we ourselves add to its weight by slothful indulgence with sinful supposition when all we need do is exchange our weakness for His strength. A tremendous grace and ours for asking like ST Dismas.
In my own, rather simple way, I have explained to my children that people will when they die see, as it were, through two doors. They choose the door of hell because in life they could not stand the love, humility and mercy of the Father so the door to Heaven is in that way totally repugnant to them and that of hell totally familiar. I hope this chimes with what you explained.
to Martino Spitaletta, to "hope" as an object verb is not a "wish" as a subject noun but an act of the will as the keeping in uncertainty of belief in present moment real presence of the inseparability and qualitative equality of object and subject.
Greetings from the USA Dr. Ashenden. Recently saw your discussion w/Dr. Chapp and was intrigued by your history, perspectives, and insights into The Faith. God bless you! As a subscriber, I look forward to hearing from you more. Cheers! Mike R.
It strikes me that Pope Francis' empty hell fantasy has a lot in common with DEI ideology. As Kamala Harris says, "equitable treatment means we all end up in the same place" - in other words, "Salvation Equity".
Pope Francis is a Jesuit. So many Jesuits seem to have this is common. They try to out-Jesus, Jesus ( no disrespect is intended). They seem to try to show more compassion and forgiveness than Jesus did to the point that they ignore commands of God and exercise forgiveness without correction. And it is certainly true that we are all sinners ( most definitely including me) but we must confess our sins, and repent with a firm intention to amend our lives. God will forgive our sins if we repent, and the Church must acknowledge and teach the faithful what is sinful, not ignore or disguise it.
@@orarerosarium🎯 & The Popes "doctrine" tries to overrule *Jesus* *Christ* - He is *not* the Lord of Lords Jesus Christ *doppelganger* on Earth *full-stop* ############# He wants to bring in the new world one religion order. ############# It *won't* be Catholicism. 🤨 It will be hell on *Earth* His war-machine buddy's are already ramping up worldwide *war* 🤨"Come on people wake up!
The Bible says Hell is eternal. It can’t be shortened because it is outside of time and space. There will be no such thing as shorter or longer, just an eternal now.
This was wonderful Dr Ashenden. However, I'm not sure the Pope's words will have much impact one way or the other as you suggest. Perhaps the problem is not that people believe hell doesn't exist, but rather they are not convinced that heaven exists - or that heaven is simply a less painful but more boring version of hell? Do people really believe that God is the answer that their restless hearts seek?
Catholics believe that the Pope is elected by the Cardinals, who are perfectly aware and understand that their choice is influenced by the Holy Spirit. This Pope is perfect for the world as it is today.
There is an awful lot of noise on your audio. Can I suggest either using noise reduction software or a lavalier mic. God bless. Love your content, though I'm not sure how you can put up with Mariolatry.
Pope Francis may be the first Pope in quite a while that on his passing only makes it to Purgatory, dragging many close to him or of his ilk to a similar fate. There is some slack cut of course for someone aged and whose mental functions are reduced because of it. God knows how this will play out.
I completely believe that heaven is relatively empty. I believe Hell is completely full. I’m Catholic and it’s very difficult getting it right. I’m terrified of Hell.
Dear one, It is not up to you to “get it right” Jesus has got “it right” for you. You need only exercise your free will as Dr. Ashenden stated, and accept God’s gift of salvation as recorded in Ephesians 2: 8&9…”For by grace (unmerited favour) are we saved through faith and NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the gift of God-not of works lest anyone should boast.” God bless and may you lay down tonight trusting in Jesus finished work on the cross ALONE, which can give you the assurance that heaven awaits you and that hell has no hold on you. His sacrifice is sufficient. In Christian love, Fran
Is it possible PF meant one might hope hell is empty because every ( human ) accepted Him? If so, why split the atom? Why only give half of what he means....Where's the "because" .
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. "You better hope Hell has some people in it, otherwise Christ died for nothing". People who believe in universal salvation believe that Christ died in order to save us all. "For as in Adam all have died, so in Christ all shall be made alive". If you acknowledge the 'all' in the first clause then you have to acknowledge the 'all' in the second clause. Paul also writes that many live be saved 'as by fire'.
@@bayreuth79 what I have said does make sense. You just have not understood it. So perhaps you could add to your opening sentence the words "to me". Peter said the angels who sinned were sent down to hell. So there better be someone in hell. Does it make sense now?
@@TheLookingGlassAU No, you are mistaken. It does not follow from scripture or from logic that if no one is in hell then Christ died for no reason. People who believe in universal salvation believe that Christ died to save sinners, i.e., all of us.
@@DrGAshenden Your agreement reveals not keeping in uncertainty of belief in present moment real presence inseparability and qualitative equality of subject and object. This was as kept by Pope Francis on 17 June 2021 in his consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ exercising an absolute power of its simultaneous authorisations of: (a) its objective ensuring of its procreation role gift charity donations alleged embezzled by ten of his Vatican state citizens/employees, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu, (b) its subjective insuring of its need of union of its identity as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ at unacceptable risk of fraud by the Italian Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill. This keeping by PF was on the reference point of Mary keeping at Lk 1:29-45 in uncertainty of her belief (v. 29, 34, 45) the inseparability and qualitative equality of her two consecrated marriages, celibate at Lk 1:38 and male female at Mt 1:24.
Hell is a choice. When you die (I think) Jesus tells you your life story, tells you your good deeds and bad - and asks you where you want to be....with him (after asking for forgiveness) or not with him. Many people hate God, they cannot ask for forgiveness and prefer to be away from God......and that is Hell.
I think you should invite either Ilaria Ramelli or David Bentley Hart on to your show for a conversation about universal salvation. It has _nothing_ to do with liberalism, or the notion that God is a nice grandfather who just wants us all to be contented, or any of the usual caricatures. Do you think that St Gregory of Nyssa, one of the greatest theologians of the church, has just neglected to read his Bible? You can disagree with universal salvation but you cannot dismiss it as obviously false, especially when so many of the Greeks Fathers believed it. Let's not forget that it was stamped out by imperial Christianity, not by the Church per se.
Pope Francis teaches that even a Christian can lose one's salvation through disobedience and refusal to show mercy! Pope Francis simply WISHES NONE shall perish, just as God does, but Pope Francis acknowledges the Divine reality of Hell and Satan and that free will is always present to refuse the mercy of God! Those who claim Pope Francis teaches heresy and error, are themselves ignorant of Catholic teaching and Canon Law and Holy Scripture! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink is true drink
It is a challenge, if not insanely impossible to write your own gospel which would compete with the established Bible. Pope Francis has ventured to do so!
@@erikmiller2514 I agree with Matthew Joseph. FS is on the reference point of what was as kept by Pope Francis on 17 June 2021 in his consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ exercising an absolute power of its simultaneous authorisations of: (a) its objective ensuring of its procreation role gift charity donations alleged embezzled by ten of his Vatican state citizens/employees, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu, (b) its subjective insuring of its need of union of its identity as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ at unacceptable risk of fraud by the Italian Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill. This keeping by PF was on the reference point of Mary keeping at Lk 1:29-45 in uncertainty of her belief (v. 29, 34, 45) the inseparability and qualitative equality of her two consecrated marriages, celibate at Lk 1:38 and male female at Mt 1:24
@@matthewjoseph9897 And that is why the African bishops, along with other bishops and clergy around the world have rebelled against it? Please wake up. This is a subtle design to subvert the gospel of my Lord Jesus Christ. Say one thing, but do another! Which is typical confucius teaching of Pope Francis to lead people astray.
@@oliverclark5604 What you have said sounds to me just like what the serpent must have sounded to Eve. When you justify evil with long winded prose, you are not clarifying the Word of God, but attempting to justify error.
That was pretty underwhelming. Ok for an understanding of 'hell' and salvation for this life perhaps but not the next. You didn't go into the difference between Roman Catholic and Orthodox theology here or get to grips with David Bently Hart's arguments. You made some fine observations for sure but otherwise didn't really unpack enough. God Bless.
It seems to me that the good news very rapidly becomes bad news if one accepts the views of Augustine and Thomas Aquinas on 'Hell': God has predestined some (a minority) to eternal felicity, whereas the majority are a massa damnata deserving of eternal perdition. Aquinas even goes so far as to say that the blessed in heaven are delighted to witness the suffering of the damned. That's called sadism! God is love and yet most people go to Hell forever because they lack efficacious grace? And, no, I am not sentimentalising 'love'. Love, as Thomas Aquinas defines it, is to will the good of the other as other. Why would God, who is pure love, refuse efficacious grace to anyone? Lurking behind the doctrine of an eternal hell is a 'god' who is not even as gracious as we are sometimes.
@@pavelrazamazov2672 Thomas Aquinas said that intellect precedes will. In other words, our will is dependent on our intellect. Do you not think that it would be totally irrational to choose eternal misery? We cannot choose evil qua evil, as the Fathers and Aquinas said, therefore we cannot choose hell per se. The Catholic Church rejects the libertarian free will that is presupposed in your comment.
Any talk of pre-destination runs unhelpfully foul of our being trapped in a time space continuum and then doing our theology or philosophy as though we weren't.
It is quite silly to claim that no one can choose evil. Obviously many have. Many are insane with their lusts, hatred and so forth. I believe you have a very flawed interpretation of the fathers, of Aquinas, and Augustine. Lots of people do lots of "irrational" things all the time. @@bayreuth79
We do not have freedom of choice ,the only freedom we have is doing what Jesus Christ asked of us.Nobody is the least of His brethren. He loves every person of his creation.and is present to help us out of our personal problems.
Hans Urs Von Balthasar, one of the greatest theologians of the Catholic Church, argues very persuasively that we may hope that all will be saved. Let's not forget that St. Pope John Paul II made him a Cardinal. There is nothing 'liberal' or 'progressive' about universal salvation: Ilaria Ramelli has shown that it was the predominant position amongst the Greek Church Fathers. St Gregory of Nyssa was an outright universalist and one of the very greatest thinkers the church has ever produced. From St Augustine we learn that the 'plurimi' (the many) believed in universal salvation in his own day. Augustine was himself a universalist until the end of his career. It is clear that many saints, mainly female saints, tended towards universal salvation. Moreover, no one is saying that there will not be suffering in the afterlife; we just claim that its not eternal. And, Gavin, if you are so sure of your position you should debate David Bentley Hart and I look forward to seeing how you get on! ;-)
'Sure of my position'? My theology is always based on careful and amendable working hypothesis. I understand the great desire for universalist salvation. I am saying that we need to recognise it as our desire, and take care before we amend the dominical teaching.
Notice that you said "hope". You can hope that everyone goes to heaven. It may even be a reasonable hope. But it is not very likely to anyone who deals with mankind on a regular basis. Von Balthasar was NOT made a cardinal because of his views on a reasonable hope. He was made a cardinal because of his ENORMOUS and deep ocean of theological work. Sometimes theologians speculate. Sometimes the early father speculated. There is nothing wrong in that. It appears to me that you take theologians too seriously. Sacred Scripture is our guide, and the various hypotheses that theologians play with are interesting, but basically beside the point.
@@tomthx5804 Catholicism does not teach sola scriptura; it teaches both scripture and tradition. The Church, after all, preceded and selected the canon of scripture. Scripture and tradition are our guides; that's true. But both need interpreting. You dismiss the role of the theologians much too easily. The whole edifice of Roman Catholicism is undergirded by centuries of theological reflection.
@@ChickityChicken The Catholic Church tells us that none of us are required to believe everything that has been reported about Our Lady of Fatima. Moreover, the 'revelations' of conveyed to the children have to be interpreted and we have to be clear what visionary experiences are.
@@DrGAshenden But it is not simply 'our desire'. God 'desires all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth' (1 Tim. 2:4). I realise that the Augustinians and the Thomists and the Calvinists, etc., like to finesse this by making fine distinctions between sufficient and efficacious grace; but these are much later theological constructions based on erroneous traditions. With regard to the 'dominical teaching': Christ uses lots of different images for an afterlife punishment but infernalists tend to isolate one image and forget the others. For instance, Christ says: "you will not get out of there until you have paid the last penny", which clearly presupposes that you will get out. Moreover, the word aionios is highly ambiguous and scripture never uses the word aidios; and the word for corrective punishment is used, not retributive punishment. I would say that we can only be certain, from the dominical teaching, that punishment is to be expected for the unrepentant, and infernalists and universal salvation advocates both agree on that.
But Gavin you seem to be unaware of Jesus's words from Matthew 17:14 "“big is the gate and wide the road that leads to life, and everyone finds it" and John 17:12 "None has been lost"
"While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture may be fulfilled." John 17:12
Gavin: you completely misrepresent universal salvation. And, moreover, the Fathers both East and West do not affirm libertarian free will. We are not free when we have chosen but only when we have chosen well. Intellect precedes will. I am not free when I choose evil. We do not will evil qua evil, as all the fathers affirm, including Aquinas.
I think you may go too far with your 'completely misrepresent'. You are quite right when you suggest that the issue of free will is philosophically more complex than I present it as here. It is bounded by a number of complicating factors including heredity, character ,pre-disposition, circumstances, metaphysical pressure to name only a few. And I agree that freedom is circumscribed by poor choices. But thank you for widening the debate and reminding us that of the other complexities. What I wanted to do was to link the principle of freedom of choice with the price we inevitably pay for the gift - eg consequences of our choosing.
@@DrGAshenden I am wondering if you affirm libertarian free well, as certain modern Christian philosophers do (such as Plantinga and Swinburne) as I think that (1) it does not agree with the Fathers (who were broadly speaking ethical intellectualists) and (2) I think that kind of freedom, a freedom of the will that precedes the intellect, is untenable. When you talk about universal salvation you seem to imply that it presupposes to punishment in the afterlife; but of course Gregory of Nyssa & D B Hart, etc., very much think that there will be corrective punishment in the afterlife, somewhat akin to the Catholic notion of purgatory. It makes no sense to me that God would punish us infinitely for finite sins. That is literally infinitely disproportionate. If there can be a purgatorial afterlife for some, then I cannot see why there cannot be a purgatorial afterlife for all of us who need it? God is not a grandfather; but what father abandons his child forever?
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Dr. Ashenden, as a cradle Catholic (67) I have always wondered about the large number of saints who speak on the “fewness of the saved” and it has troubled me greatly. Jesus Himself speaks of the soft, wide, easy road that “many” choose and the narrow difficult road that “few” take. I would appreciate it tremendously if you would speak on the topic in the future. Thank you and God Bless you sir.
Your responsibility is to save yourself and your family by prayer
Hello from Tasmania Dr. Ashenden. I enjoy hearing your explanation of our Faith. The children at Fatima saw Hell and were horrified and so prayed many many many Rosaries so people wouldn’t go there . 😊.
Yes. The teaching of our Lady through the apparitions is of enormous importance and significance. Thank you for raising it. I was trying to keep things brief.
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to Wendy Harrap, it is not "Faith" but in uncertainty 'belief' or "believed" (Lk 1:45). The keeping in uncertainty of the inseparability and qualitative equality of thinking and having faith is belief. Dt Ashenden's purported objectivity separates objective thinking and subjective having faith.
Ne permittas me separari a te
@@DrGAshendenTy dr first your wise words
I’m not a theologian by any stretch of the imagination, but I’ve often thought that hell is not where souls go when God shuts them out, but where souls go when they shut God out.
to Kjt, it depends on one's definition of God as to whether either God or souls shuts the other out makes sense. "I AM WHO I AM" as reported who God as doing states God is as been at Exodus 3:14 is a keeping of the inseparability and qualitative equality of doing and been. How is a keeping to shut out or be shut out?
@@oliverclark5604 I'm sorry, but I don't understand at all your reply! Please clarify, thanks.
@@stephenbaker7079 If opposing Pope Francis and Fiducia Supplicans one is complicit in embezzlements of procreation role gifts and an unacceptable risk of fraud on need of union of identities.
These respectively economic and non-economic offences are occult as hidden and incest connected as substitute mate.
They are the purpose of grooming by diseased family member 'familyists' of their psychologically and or emotionally vulnerable family members with a non-economic status inducement of "higher vocation" (TTMHS, PCF, 1995, 35; cf. St Paul 1Cor7:25-34) of consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ to consecrated male female marriage vowed to God.
The extreme tensions caused by these offences were withstood by Pope Francis' consent on 17 June 2021 to be joined in consecrated marriage in uncertainty of his belief in present moment real presence in the particular circumstances of his consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ as qualitatively equal and inseparable with consecrated male female marriage vowed to God on the reference point of ensuring procreation role gift and insuring need of union of identity by these two consecrated marriages of Mary at RSV Lk 1:38, celibate: "let it be to me", and at RSV Mt 1:24, male female: "Joseph ... took his wife".
The consecrated celibate marriage of Pope Francis on 17 June 2021 kept in uncertainty of his belief on this reference point of Mary's two consecrated marriages the inseparability and qualitative equality of it:
(a) ensuring procreation in the case of alleged embezzlements of his procreation role gift tax-exempt charity donations by ten of his Vatican state citizens/employees, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu,
(b) insuring union in the case of an unacceptable risk of fraud on his need of union of his identity as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ by the Italian Parliament "Zan" ant-homophobia bill
Matthew 25:41
Then He will also say to those on the left hand, Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
@@jonathanb.6926 Point well taken!
LOVE that William Camden poem! I also like the Jesus Prayer that mainly Orthodox Christians pray. When I'm tired, sick or generally irritable - I can always muster this:
"Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner"
Thank you ….i have worried a lot about unconscious sin so far back in my life and not remembered …..you have answered the question .
To commit a mortal sin, you need to be very much conscious of what you are doing. You must understand that it is sinful but decide to do it anyway. So, please stop worrying about unconscious sins way back in your life and not remembered.
Thank you good doctor for that truly medicine for the soul!
What a very lucid, beautifully put, consoling talk! Dr. Ashenden, in this time when the Church is tempest-tossed, and the world outside is full of Satan's victorious armies laying waste God's Earth and destroying God's children, that you should so powerfully carry to us the message of the Holy Spirit is a blessing for which I pray that you may be blessed. 🙏🕊❤
I am inclined to think for most people a healthy fear of God is a must for salvation.
I'm not afraid of imaginary things.
Then why waste your time watching and commenting on such videos?@@davepugh2519
The OT also tells us that bats are birds.@@deliagibbons8776
We are to work out our salvation with fear and trembling.
The fear of the Lord is the very start ,the beginning of wisdom and of knowledge, understanding too .
It's in Proverbs , mentioned a couple of times.
When you fear God,you fear nothing else. Especially scoffers and cynics that have driven good people into the hellscape we find ourselves in today
As the Psalms say...The fool says there's no God...and believes it too.
Let them go to hell.
Thank you Dr G for your words and Wisdom. We need so much to hear the words of truth. Many people have no idea what they will face when we die. God bless you. And keep the videos coming.
Amen 🙏
Hi @myangelwings45 !
Do you know NDE?
Have you listened to the reports of what could be heaven and hell from NDErs?
Have a look: it’s very interesting.
Regards.
Greetings from Maryland. It’s always a treat to get my coffee, groggily open up TH-cam to get a little news, and see Gavin (or the 3) pop up. I think this is a very necessary, albeit painful, topic. Thank you for reminding us what Jesus said about Hell. If He said it, we’d better take note. Oh, boy! What we have in the culture, and especially in the schools, is that no one fears consequences anymore, and many, in certain Marxist-like regions, don’t turn to God. Your frequent spiraling back to this theme is sobering. But, since I see what the world is like without consequences or fear of the Lord, I’m beginning to understand that my own formation was missing some of this, as faux compassion went rampant-even and especially in theology school. I appreciate what you do and the hope with which you liberally sprinkle your talks. “This Hell passes.” Thank you for all you do. (If anyone out there can tell me how donating works w/Catholic Unscripted outside UK, please let me know. It indicates British pounds on the website. Does it matter when you start to donate? Not experienced with sites like this. Donating directly to Gavin had options.)
Dear Dr. Ashenden: Maybe the Pope meant that God's love has the power to save us from hell. I know that when I was in hell when I lost my mind due to severe, severe depression and was hospitalized for 1.3 years in 1984, God scooped me out of hell and brought me to life. I understand the Pope. We must believe that God will love all persons until eternity with no end, but we know, unfortunately, time is running out, and oh, how this pains me, that not all people will be saved. I pray they will. How I pray with all my heart. If I were in hell and saved, all people can be saved, my ultimate prayer. Amen.
I recommend the sermon - The Little Number of Those Who Are Saved
by St. Leonard of Port Maurice
Brilliant as usual, Dr Gavin.
Also, and I know you were trying to keep it brief, the vision St Faustina received, that is sobering and no doubt true and rather recent. God bless you and keep you safe. I too, dont want to be judged on my conscience.
From Malta: thank you for your clarity, sensitivity and guidance. GBU
Brilliant. Thank you.
Dr Ashenden's exposition provides an excellent encapsulation of what for me is a Christian conundrum:
1. When the Jewish prophet Jonah reaches Nineveh, the capital of the Assyrian empire, a mortal enemy of Israel, he warns them of doom in this world if they do not fast and repent. The Assyrians were polytheists (7 gods) but there is no suggestion in the OT or the historical record that Jonah effects a conversion of the inhabitants of Nineveh to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. All that is required is fasting and repentance. Likewise, there is no suggestion of any need for any vicarious atonement, because of an inability of the sinners in Nineveh to free themselves.
2. This pattern is followed by all the Jewish prophets who threaten doom in this world, crop failure, drought, destruction at the hand of enemies, as the punishment for sin. They rarely, if ever say that the penalty is hell, and never invoke the need for vicarious atonement, although return to the God of Israel is always required "return to me and I will return to you".
3. Dr. Ashenden says in effect that God says believe in me, but you will go to hell if you exercise the free will I have given you, not to believe in me. The trouble with hell is that faith is required for the threat of it to be effective, i.e. it is non-verifiable. In contrast, the this world consequences In the OT are verifiable. For example, chapters 29 and 30 of Deuteronomy refer to the choice between life and good on the one hand, and death and evil (this world consequences), on the other.
4. While hell is mentioned in the OT, many Jewish texts merely state that certain unrepentant sinners "have no place in the world to come".
Amen Dr Ashenden.
Wonderful! This video is a keeper.
Thank you Gavin for your exposition of justification by faith.
to Jonathan Redden, justice thinking and mercy having faith are inseparable and qualitatively equal the keeping of which is in uncertainty belief.
Thank you from Canada! What consoling words! What wisdom. Brings me to tears ❤
As Dismas asked our Lord's favor, we share with this thief human reason and freedom to choose our eternal destiny. His burden is easy and his yoke light, however we ourselves add to its weight by slothful indulgence with sinful supposition when all we need do is exchange our weakness for His strength. A tremendous grace and ours for asking like ST Dismas.
In my own, rather simple way, I have explained to my children that people will when they die see, as it were, through two doors. They choose the door of hell because in life they could not stand the love, humility and mercy of the Father so the door to Heaven is in that way totally repugnant to them and that of hell totally familiar. I hope this chimes with what you explained.
What a beautiful prayer!
To hope that hell is empty is hoping that Satan's rebellion will never end. A really satanic wish, in my most humble opinion.
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Ditto.
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or should I say deeds:/ not words.
to Martino Spitaletta, to "hope" as an object verb is not a "wish" as a subject noun but an act of the will as the keeping in uncertainty of belief in present moment real presence of the inseparability and qualitative equality of object and subject.
No it was his way of saying it should NEVER have started to begin with. You misjudge his words I believe
Thank you, Dr. Ashenden. ✝️🙏❤️
God bless you
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God bless you, sir!
First class. As ever.
Greetings from the USA Dr. Ashenden. Recently saw your discussion w/Dr. Chapp and was intrigued by your history, perspectives, and insights into The Faith. God bless you! As a subscriber, I look forward to hearing from you more. Cheers! Mike R.
Heaven is a cup of coffee with a dear friend, sitting in the garden on a beautiful Spring day 🌞
Or before dawn, having to get ready for work.
Wonderful.
It strikes me that Pope Francis' empty hell fantasy has a lot in common with DEI ideology. As Kamala Harris says, "equitable treatment means we all end up in the same place" - in other words, "Salvation Equity".
OMG-thanks for another great phrase. “Salvation Equity.” Perfect. I with you. (Even Bernie Sanders couldn’t define equity and equality.)
I just found this channel. Thank you !!!!! Your words are pure hope!!!
I don't understand willful ignorance, but I know people who practice it. I hope I don't do it unwittingly.
Good morning dear Doctor!
Good morning !
I would like to hear you discuss the words of Jesus about hell and explain it .
❤ blessed be God forever
Yep. The sound came back. Thank you.
Pope Francis is a Jesuit. So many Jesuits seem to have this is common. They try to out-Jesus, Jesus ( no disrespect is intended). They seem to try to show more compassion and forgiveness than Jesus did to the point that they ignore commands of God and exercise forgiveness without correction.
And it is certainly true that we are all sinners ( most definitely including me) but we must confess our sins, and repent with a firm intention to amend our lives. God will forgive our sins if we repent, and the Church must acknowledge and teach the faithful what is sinful, not ignore or disguise it.
“Out-Jesus Jesus.” You hit the nail on the head. Oh, my!
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The Bible says Hell is eternal. It can’t be shortened because it is outside of time and space. There will be no such thing as shorter or longer, just an eternal now.
I need to come over and help you sort out your acoustic damping.
Can you tell me how we are born again? What are the steps?
Cardinal Fernandez must resign.
1:40 Wait. Doesn’t Jesus say it’s everlasting?
This was wonderful Dr Ashenden. However, I'm not sure the Pope's words will have much impact one way or the other as you suggest. Perhaps the problem is not that people believe hell doesn't exist, but rather they are not convinced that heaven exists - or that heaven is simply a less painful but more boring version of hell? Do people really believe that God is the answer that their restless hearts seek?
Catholics believe that the Pope is elected by the Cardinals, who are perfectly aware and understand that their choice is influenced by the Holy Spirit. This Pope is perfect for the world as it is today.
Hell, has no children!.....if we can keep our childhood alive perhaps, we can side step many traps and ditches .....
Mental illness is no excuse for the sin of suicide. It is never excusable! It is the only sin that can not be forgiven.
There is an awful lot of noise on your audio. Can I suggest either using noise reduction software or a lavalier mic. God bless. Love your content, though I'm not sure how you can put up with Mariolatry.
Anyone who expects you to love them AND fear them is an abuser.
Pope Francis may be the first Pope in quite a while that on his passing only makes it to Purgatory, dragging many close to him or of his ilk to a similar fate. There is some slack cut of course for someone aged and whose mental functions are reduced because of it. God knows how this will play out.
Hell was made for the rebellious angels. It was never supposed to be empty. Satan does not rule hell. It will be his eternal prison.
You never mentioned purgatory and can we pray those out of purgatory
Deuteronomy ch 13 v13 2 Samuel ch 23 v 6 2 Corinthians 6. 15. 2 chronicles 13.v7. kjv
I completely believe that heaven is relatively empty. I believe Hell is completely full. I’m Catholic and it’s very difficult getting it right. I’m terrified of Hell.
Dear one, It is not up to you to “get it right” Jesus has got “it right” for you. You need only exercise your free will as Dr. Ashenden stated, and accept God’s gift of salvation as recorded in Ephesians 2: 8&9…”For by grace (unmerited favour) are we saved through faith and NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the gift of God-not of works lest anyone should boast.”
God bless and may you lay down tonight trusting in Jesus finished work on the cross ALONE, which can give you the assurance that heaven awaits you and that hell has no hold on you. His sacrifice is sufficient. In Christian love, Fran
Is it possible PF meant one might hope hell is empty because every ( human ) accepted Him? If so, why split the atom? Why only give half of what he means....Where's the "because" .
If Hell is empty then Satan has no restraints and no consequences.
You better hope Hell has some people in it, otherwise Christ died for nothing.
Your comment makes no sense whatsoever. "You better hope Hell has some people in it, otherwise Christ died for nothing". People who believe in universal salvation believe that Christ died in order to save us all. "For as in Adam all have died, so in Christ all shall be made alive". If you acknowledge the 'all' in the first clause then you have to acknowledge the 'all' in the second clause. Paul also writes that many live be saved 'as by fire'.
@@bayreuth79 what I have said does make sense. You just have not understood it. So perhaps you could add to your opening sentence the words "to me".
Peter said the angels who sinned were sent down to hell.
So there better be someone in hell.
Does it make sense now?
@@TheLookingGlassAU No, you are mistaken. It does not follow from scripture or from logic that if no one is in hell then Christ died for no reason. People who believe in universal salvation believe that Christ died to save sinners, i.e., all of us.
I agree with @thelookingglasAU
@@DrGAshenden Your agreement reveals not keeping in uncertainty of belief in present moment real presence inseparability and qualitative equality of subject and object.
This was as kept by Pope Francis on 17 June 2021 in his consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ exercising an absolute power of its simultaneous authorisations of:
(a) its objective ensuring of its procreation role gift charity donations alleged embezzled by ten of his Vatican state citizens/employees, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu,
(b) its subjective insuring of its need of union of its identity as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ at unacceptable risk of fraud by the Italian Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill.
This keeping by PF was on the reference point of Mary keeping at Lk 1:29-45 in uncertainty of her belief (v. 29, 34, 45) the inseparability and qualitative equality of her two consecrated marriages, celibate at Lk 1:38 and male female at Mt 1:24.
Hell is a choice. When you die (I think) Jesus tells you your life story, tells you your good deeds and bad - and asks you where you want to be....with him (after asking for forgiveness) or not with him. Many people hate God, they cannot ask for forgiveness and prefer to be away from God......and that is Hell.
I think you should invite either Ilaria Ramelli or David Bentley Hart on to your show for a conversation about universal salvation. It has _nothing_ to do with liberalism, or the notion that God is a nice grandfather who just wants us all to be contented, or any of the usual caricatures. Do you think that St Gregory of Nyssa, one of the greatest theologians of the church, has just neglected to read his Bible? You can disagree with universal salvation but you cannot dismiss it as obviously false, especially when so many of the Greeks Fathers believed it. Let's not forget that it was stamped out by imperial Christianity, not by the Church per se.
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Pope Francis teaches that even a Christian can lose one's salvation through disobedience and refusal to show mercy! Pope Francis simply WISHES NONE shall perish, just as God does, but Pope Francis acknowledges the Divine reality of Hell and Satan and that free will is always present to refuse the mercy of God! Those who claim Pope Francis teaches heresy and error, are themselves ignorant of Catholic teaching and Canon Law and Holy Scripture! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink is true drink
Can't hear you.there is no sound.
I can hear fine, there's no problem. Check your equipment.
It is a challenge, if not insanely impossible to write your own gospel which would compete with the established Bible. Pope Francis has ventured to do so!
@@matthewjoseph9897 Did you hear that Pope Francis wrote a document recently which directs the clergy to bless sin (active homosexuality)?
Fiducia Supplicans blesses couples in homosexual relationships- it is an innovation and subverts Catholic doctrine.
@@erikmiller2514 I agree with Matthew Joseph.
FS is on the reference point of what was as kept by Pope Francis on 17 June 2021 in his consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ exercising an absolute power of its simultaneous authorisations of:
(a) its objective ensuring of its procreation role gift charity donations alleged embezzled by ten of his Vatican state citizens/employees, including Cardinal Angelo Becciu,
(b) its subjective insuring of its need of union of its identity as a consecrated celibate married by vows to man in Christ at unacceptable risk of fraud by the Italian Parliament "Zan" anti-homophobia bill.
This keeping by PF was on the reference point of Mary keeping at Lk 1:29-45 in uncertainty of her belief (v. 29, 34, 45) the inseparability and qualitative equality of her two consecrated marriages, celibate at Lk 1:38 and male female at Mt 1:24
@@matthewjoseph9897 And that is why the African bishops, along with other bishops and clergy around the world have rebelled against it? Please wake up. This is a subtle design to subvert the gospel of my Lord Jesus Christ. Say one thing, but do another! Which is typical confucius teaching of Pope Francis to lead people astray.
@@oliverclark5604 What you have said sounds to me just like what the serpent must have sounded to Eve. When you justify evil with long winded prose, you are not clarifying the Word of God, but attempting to justify error.
That was pretty underwhelming. Ok for an understanding of 'hell' and salvation for this life perhaps but not the next. You didn't go into the difference between Roman Catholic and Orthodox theology here or get to grips with David Bently Hart's arguments. You made some fine observations for sure but otherwise didn't really unpack enough. God Bless.
It seems to me that the good news very rapidly becomes bad news if one accepts the views of Augustine and Thomas Aquinas on 'Hell': God has predestined some (a minority) to eternal felicity, whereas the majority are a massa damnata deserving of eternal perdition. Aquinas even goes so far as to say that the blessed in heaven are delighted to witness the suffering of the damned. That's called sadism! God is love and yet most people go to Hell forever because they lack efficacious grace? And, no, I am not sentimentalising 'love'. Love, as Thomas Aquinas defines it, is to will the good of the other as other. Why would God, who is pure love, refuse efficacious grace to anyone? Lurking behind the doctrine of an eternal hell is a 'god' who is not even as gracious as we are sometimes.
Hell makes more sense if one sees it as a place that the fallen angles and people choose over the company of God.
@@pavelrazamazov2672 Thomas Aquinas said that intellect precedes will. In other words, our will is dependent on our intellect. Do you not think that it would be totally irrational to choose eternal misery? We cannot choose evil qua evil, as the Fathers and Aquinas said, therefore we cannot choose hell per se. The Catholic Church rejects the libertarian free will that is presupposed in your comment.
Any talk of pre-destination runs unhelpfully foul of our being trapped in a time space continuum and then doing our theology or philosophy as though we weren't.
It is quite silly to claim that no one can choose evil. Obviously many have. Many are insane with their lusts, hatred and so forth. I believe you have a very flawed interpretation of the fathers, of Aquinas, and Augustine. Lots of people do lots of "irrational" things all the time. @@bayreuth79
@@bayreuth79 where did the Church rejected what i wrote. So Lucifer rebelling against God knowing the consequences is a libertarian idea?
We do not have freedom of choice ,the only freedom we have is doing what Jesus Christ asked of us.Nobody is the least of His brethren. He loves every person of his creation.and is present to help us out of our personal problems.
Hans Urs Von Balthasar, one of the greatest theologians of the Catholic Church, argues very persuasively that we may hope that all will be saved. Let's not forget that St. Pope John Paul II made him a Cardinal. There is nothing 'liberal' or 'progressive' about universal salvation: Ilaria Ramelli has shown that it was the predominant position amongst the Greek Church Fathers. St Gregory of Nyssa was an outright universalist and one of the very greatest thinkers the church has ever produced. From St Augustine we learn that the 'plurimi' (the many) believed in universal salvation in his own day. Augustine was himself a universalist until the end of his career. It is clear that many saints, mainly female saints, tended towards universal salvation. Moreover, no one is saying that there will not be suffering in the afterlife; we just claim that its not eternal. And, Gavin, if you are so sure of your position you should debate David Bentley Hart and I look forward to seeing how you get on! ;-)
'Sure of my position'? My theology is always based on careful and amendable working hypothesis. I understand the great desire for universalist salvation. I am saying that we need to recognise it as our desire, and take care before we amend the dominical teaching.
Notice that you said "hope". You can hope that everyone goes to heaven. It may even be a reasonable hope. But it is not very likely to anyone who deals with mankind on a regular basis. Von Balthasar was NOT made a cardinal because of his views on a reasonable hope. He was made a cardinal because of his ENORMOUS and deep ocean of theological work. Sometimes theologians speculate. Sometimes the early father speculated. There is nothing wrong in that. It appears to me that you take theologians too seriously. Sacred Scripture is our guide, and the various hypotheses that theologians play with are interesting, but basically beside the point.
@@tomthx5804 Catholicism does not teach sola scriptura; it teaches both scripture and tradition. The Church, after all, preceded and selected the canon of scripture. Scripture and tradition are our guides; that's true. But both need interpreting. You dismiss the role of the theologians much too easily. The whole edifice of Roman Catholicism is undergirded by centuries of theological reflection.
@@ChickityChicken The Catholic Church tells us that none of us are required to believe everything that has been reported about Our Lady of Fatima. Moreover, the 'revelations' of conveyed to the children have to be interpreted and we have to be clear what visionary experiences are.
@@DrGAshenden But it is not simply 'our desire'. God 'desires all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth' (1 Tim. 2:4). I realise that the Augustinians and the Thomists and the Calvinists, etc., like to finesse this by making fine distinctions between sufficient and efficacious grace; but these are much later theological constructions based on erroneous traditions. With regard to the 'dominical teaching': Christ uses lots of different images for an afterlife punishment but infernalists tend to isolate one image and forget the others. For instance, Christ says: "you will not get out of there until you have paid the last penny", which clearly presupposes that you will get out. Moreover, the word aionios is highly ambiguous and scripture never uses the word aidios; and the word for corrective punishment is used, not retributive punishment. I would say that we can only be certain, from the dominical teaching, that punishment is to be expected for the unrepentant, and infernalists and universal salvation advocates both agree on that.
But Gavin you seem to be unaware of Jesus's words from Matthew 17:14 "“big is the gate and wide the road that leads to life, and everyone finds it" and John 17:12 "None has been lost"
"While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture may be fulfilled." John 17:12
" How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!" Matthew 7:14
Gavin: you completely misrepresent universal salvation. And, moreover, the Fathers both East and West do not affirm libertarian free will. We are not free when we have chosen but only when we have chosen well. Intellect precedes will. I am not free when I choose evil. We do not will evil qua evil, as all the fathers affirm, including Aquinas.
I think you may go too far with your 'completely misrepresent'. You are quite right when you suggest that the issue of free will is philosophically more complex than I present it as here. It is bounded by a number of complicating factors including heredity, character ,pre-disposition, circumstances, metaphysical pressure to name only a few. And I agree that freedom is circumscribed by poor choices. But thank you for widening the debate and reminding us that of the other complexities. What I wanted to do was to link the principle of freedom of choice with the price we inevitably pay for the gift - eg consequences of our choosing.
@@DrGAshenden I am wondering if you affirm libertarian free well, as certain modern Christian philosophers do (such as Plantinga and Swinburne) as I think that (1) it does not agree with the Fathers (who were broadly speaking ethical intellectualists) and (2) I think that kind of freedom, a freedom of the will that precedes the intellect, is untenable. When you talk about universal salvation you seem to imply that it presupposes to punishment in the afterlife; but of course Gregory of Nyssa & D B Hart, etc., very much think that there will be corrective punishment in the afterlife, somewhat akin to the Catholic notion of purgatory. It makes no sense to me that God would punish us infinitely for finite sins. That is literally infinitely disproportionate. If there can be a purgatorial afterlife for some, then I cannot see why there cannot be a purgatorial afterlife for all of us who need it? God is not a grandfather; but what father abandons his child forever?
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