I've been thinking about doing this since i got my chasis. The height over bore is crazy on the normal chasis. Glad you did it before me 😅 and glad to see the sight picture isn't to difficult to obtain.
😂 Was desperate, just couldn't see myself using the thing till one day I'm like "bro, go for it, cut that top off and don't look back." So I did. this is my story. and this is the way;)
So I did it, and I'm so glad I did. I actually took it a step further and cut it down further on the left side to just above the QD. Helps with getting more purchase on the slide to lock it to the rear. Only negative I'd say is having the optic reciprocating with the slide makes it a little more difficult to track the dot between shots with it being so close to your eye
Benwa's chop shop needs to be a regular fixture of this channel. I want to see all of your Dremel adventures... Or misadventures... On video. Lol For real though that went from being a sick little mod to somehow being even sicker.
Slingshotting off the dot should be fine. If it's not ripping the charging plate off, the optic isn't going to take it any worse. The second I started putting red dots on my pistols, I started using them as charging handles. Haven't broke one that way yet. Other ways, yes.
If you wanted a charging handle, it seems possible to cut the left side lower and use Strike Industries' charging handle that replaces the striker plate.
that would be a possibility and if you decided to keep it a dedicated flux that could be a good solution BUT I'm keen on keeping it swappable between flux chassis and p320 chassis so for me a no go:)
Any complications regarding state and federal laws on pistol braces in the state of Georgia? I have been thinking about getting one to replace my X Series grip module.
@@TacticalFellowship Did you have to change the spring in yours? I shot my P320 w/ X-series grip the other day with the PMM micro comp using the stock recoil spring, and it would FTE and FTF pretty often.
Stop recoil spring for me BUT I also get my slides milled by Jagerwerks. They cut a top window AND serrations across the top. It's not a lot BUT I think it brings the slides mass down just enough where it functions perfectly for me using single port PMM comp and 9mm 115 white box ammo. So, I think it has less to do with your grip and more to do with slide mass.
I've had first round from cold be high-right off target with the chassis mounted optic, I just don't think its an accurate way to mount an optic to the P320. Likely unrelated, but there's even vertical play in the front of the slide (same with the factor grip module) so I just don't trust the accuracy of a chassis mounted optic. I've got the plate needed to mount a 509T on the way and I'll be doing this mod. Also makes it a lot more concealable which is half of its purpose. I have a P320x5 that I dropped into it, so better meeting the purpose too since I can swap it back into its grip module if need be and keep the optic.
@@TacticalFellowship I did it, got the optics plate for my P320x5 to 509T today and did the whole mod (did the top chop like 2 days ago), zero it tomorrow afternoon. I first tested at 25yrd and 50yrds, and 100yrds wasn't feasible with the chassis mounted optic. Noting, I can even shoot my makarov, TX22 and PSA 5.7 at 100yrds from draw no problem, so I would expect that kind of accuracy out of a PDW. My targets just being IPSC steel, so if I can reliably hit that at 100yrds with a handgun, I'm happy. So far, there's absolutely no compromise to comfort and the optic height. The 509T with its plate sits pretty high compared to others, so that might be to its advantage compared to even the RMR. I used CHPWS's plate like I always do to adapt optics cuts. I tilt my head to get lower on it compared to putting it way up at the collar bone, so far, but we'll see how I end up shooting it. I'll include an update after coming from the range. I hope the first shot inaccuracy is solved since I doubt its an issue with the P320x5 slide. It very well could be a problem with my PA SLx 1x, but I doubt that since those things are bomb proof. Some more info on this mod that you didn't mention, the back cap is save-able, but you need to retain the little semi circle since that's what it uses to lock into. If you cut it flat up until about 1cm to a diagonal and don't touch the whole rear section, its retainable. Otherwise, its possible to just melt it in place. Whether or not that is necessary, I don't know, but just an idea. Having the back wide open isn't likely to be an issue unless its suppressed. My dremel doesn't have variable speed (should probably buy a new one at this point, mines like a decade old) and it was easy to melt. I tried to keep the sides as high as possible, but I did need to make sure it was lower than the optic's plate. The 509T is wide than a P320 slide so it overhangs, so making sure its at least that low. Mine still has some of the indents from the triangles for reference. I've had red dots on handguns since about 2018, I rack them using the optic all the time and haven't ever seen issues. My first one being an RMR gen2 and I almost exclusively buy holosuns now. So far, the top chop I think is a better configuration, and I wouldn't be surprised if SOCOM did it exclusively to resolve accuracy issues past 25yrds. I wouldn't doubt if the Flux Raider is more accurate with suppressors simply because it puts weight on the front of the slight which might make it return to the same position in the frame more often.
@@TacticalFellowship First shot accuracy once I got it zeroed wasn't feet off and was within an IPSC steel target at 50yrds, so was definitely the result of the mount. Though I only got about 70 rounds through before the rear lense fell out of my 509T, so I swapped to my EDC for the rest of the range session. So, I have an RMA for that on the way. Thing is 3 years old and has been on several firearms, somehow just now failing, lol. I've bought a new one since the 509T, the RMA'd one will be put back on the AKM I pulled it from. Seems like there's a newer version since the one I ordered is the 509T X2 versus just the 509T that I have. I don't think its premature to say that the accuracy issues were involved with the riser mount, which makes sense given the polymer design and poor barrel+bolt to chassis lockup/repeatability.
remember here, with this mode the point is to keep your pistol slide in pistol configuration to swap with ease back on and off pistol grip and flux chassy, rip stick front site defeats said purpose:)
@@TacticalFellowship I just got a B&T USW from Omaha Outdoors for my G19. Still has issues with the height over bore but its really cool and they have a holster for it. My Flux raider comes in this week. I also have the strike SMC and its good but has issues when you want to set it up. Cant use the extra mag holder and a light without the Large blast shield attached but if you use the blast shield you cant use a suppressor.
@@TacticalFellowship the B&T is just as tricky to get as the flux for sure. But it's also only $300. The side folding stock is also canted down so you don't have to drop your head to get a sight picture.
@@KittensNeedMittensif it’s life or death I’m grabbing a rifle not a compact sub gun. The sub guns you listed definitely have their place in the gun realm however, the flux is $500 and has a smaller form factor. All depends on what your needs are. I’d be using mine to fight to a rifle or use it as a truck gun in a bag.
@@KittensNeedMittens honestly I think it’s in the spot where you don’t want to carry a full size rifle as a “truck gun” but also don’t want to carry a sub gun larger than the form factor of a flux setup. I think both a sub gun and a flux would fit the bill but there’s no doubt a flux would be easier to pull from a bag and deploy. Not to mention you can outfit it with more rounds on the gun than a sub gun. I pretty sure they sell 30rd mags for the flux now.
Do you still have that piece you cut off from the flux raider? If so, I wouldn't mind it if you shipped it to me. I'll send you my address and everything and I'll pay for shipping myself.
@@HariboStarman No, i have the glock 17 version of the flux defense and i want to see if i can attach and fuse that piece onto the back portion of mine so as to but a full size reflex sight on it. Just wanted to see if it would work.
I wished you just waited for the flux 365 variant since it has the same functionality you were looking for. Edit: At least now you can brag that you BUILT NOT BOUGHT it 😂❤
but the flux fits a different niche than standard PCC, which is typically the size of a rifle MINUS rifle energy, thus the knock, like having a truck with a fiat engine. Flux is VERY cool in this regard, basically a pistol + // super small but helping your handgun plus it up a bit. This is why it's very cool and niche:)
Congratulations on becoming a gunsmith!
Dremel literally came with a diploma
That checks out.
I've been thinking about doing this since i got my chasis. The height over bore is crazy on the normal chasis. Glad you did it before me 😅 and glad to see the sight picture isn't to difficult to obtain.
😂 Was desperate, just couldn't see myself using the thing till one day I'm like "bro, go for it, cut that top off and don't look back." So I did. this is my story. and this is the way;)
So I did it, and I'm so glad I did. I actually took it a step further and cut it down further on the left side to just above the QD. Helps with getting more purchase on the slide to lock it to the rear. Only negative I'd say is having the optic reciprocating with the slide makes it a little more difficult to track the dot between shots with it being so close to your eye
@@greaterpainter7996thanks, I was about to ask that question. I wondered if the reciprocating dot throws you off vs the standard one that doesn’t move
Benwa's chop shop needs to be a regular fixture of this channel. I want to see all of your Dremel adventures... Or misadventures... On video. Lol
For real though that went from being a sick little mod to somehow being even sicker.
Dremel thirsts for polymer, fresh polymer... Dude thank you and yes, this mod is sick, a keeper, such a keeper!
Slingshotting off the dot should be fine. If it's not ripping the charging plate off, the optic isn't going to take it any worse.
The second I started putting red dots on my pistols, I started using them as charging handles. Haven't broke one that way yet. Other ways, yes.
If you wanted a charging handle, it seems possible to cut the left side lower and use Strike Industries' charging handle that replaces the striker plate.
that would be a possibility and if you decided to keep it a dedicated flux that could be a good solution BUT I'm keen on keeping it swappable between flux chassis and p320 chassis so for me a no go:)
Currently waiting for the 365 Flux Raider variant...
interesting thing they did for the 365, fascinating setup, let us know how you like it:)
Man, I want to, but there's no going back, lol. I might just get a second one and do it to that chassis.
No going back! crossed the Rubicon with my only Flux! but, if you can afford another...
Thanks. Very helpful.
Love that dremel goes Bbbrrrr makes you a gunsmith.
Is there alot of gas and powder in your face while shooting without the shroud?
I haven't noticed anything BUT i do wear massive goggles so there's that;)
I support doing this and think flux should make it removable but i just dont wanna void warranty. The gun does look better without the riser
You have a point, voiding warranty will be a thing post chop...
U could have cut the 2 sides off the piece u cut off and re mounted the top for added looks or would the slide hit it.
that's a no-go, slide would hit it...
Any complications regarding state and federal laws on pistol braces in the state of Georgia? I have been thinking about getting one to replace my X Series grip module.
NOT a lawyer BUT since the pistol brace ban got struck down I think we in the clear...
@@TacticalFellowship i just placed an order on the Flux Raider X in FDE! Will be using my 4.7" slide with PMM Micro JTTC comp!
@@kiboards1 Dude you going to love it;)
@@TacticalFellowship Did you have to change the spring in yours? I shot my P320 w/ X-series grip the other day with the PMM micro comp using the stock recoil spring, and it would FTE and FTF pretty often.
Stop recoil spring for me BUT I also get my slides milled by Jagerwerks. They cut a top window AND serrations across the top. It's not a lot BUT I think it brings the slides mass down just enough where it functions perfectly for me using single port PMM comp and 9mm 115 white box ammo. So, I think it has less to do with your grip and more to do with slide mass.
I've had first round from cold be high-right off target with the chassis mounted optic, I just don't think its an accurate way to mount an optic to the P320. Likely unrelated, but there's even vertical play in the front of the slide (same with the factor grip module) so I just don't trust the accuracy of a chassis mounted optic.
I've got the plate needed to mount a 509T on the way and I'll be doing this mod. Also makes it a lot more concealable which is half of its purpose. I have a P320x5 that I dropped into it, so better meeting the purpose too since I can swap it back into its grip module if need be and keep the optic.
this Bruh is exactly why I went this route and I think you'll like your end result;)
@@TacticalFellowship I did it, got the optics plate for my P320x5 to 509T today and did the whole mod (did the top chop like 2 days ago), zero it tomorrow afternoon. I first tested at 25yrd and 50yrds, and 100yrds wasn't feasible with the chassis mounted optic. Noting, I can even shoot my makarov, TX22 and PSA 5.7 at 100yrds from draw no problem, so I would expect that kind of accuracy out of a PDW. My targets just being IPSC steel, so if I can reliably hit that at 100yrds with a handgun, I'm happy.
So far, there's absolutely no compromise to comfort and the optic height. The 509T with its plate sits pretty high compared to others, so that might be to its advantage compared to even the RMR. I used CHPWS's plate like I always do to adapt optics cuts. I tilt my head to get lower on it compared to putting it way up at the collar bone, so far, but we'll see how I end up shooting it.
I'll include an update after coming from the range. I hope the first shot inaccuracy is solved since I doubt its an issue with the P320x5 slide. It very well could be a problem with my PA SLx 1x, but I doubt that since those things are bomb proof.
Some more info on this mod that you didn't mention, the back cap is save-able, but you need to retain the little semi circle since that's what it uses to lock into. If you cut it flat up until about 1cm to a diagonal and don't touch the whole rear section, its retainable. Otherwise, its possible to just melt it in place. Whether or not that is necessary, I don't know, but just an idea. Having the back wide open isn't likely to be an issue unless its suppressed.
My dremel doesn't have variable speed (should probably buy a new one at this point, mines like a decade old) and it was easy to melt.
I tried to keep the sides as high as possible, but I did need to make sure it was lower than the optic's plate. The 509T is wide than a P320 slide so it overhangs, so making sure its at least that low. Mine still has some of the indents from the triangles for reference.
I've had red dots on handguns since about 2018, I rack them using the optic all the time and haven't ever seen issues. My first one being an RMR gen2 and I almost exclusively buy holosuns now.
So far, the top chop I think is a better configuration, and I wouldn't be surprised if SOCOM did it exclusively to resolve accuracy issues past 25yrds. I wouldn't doubt if the Flux Raider is more accurate with suppressors simply because it puts weight on the front of the slight which might make it return to the same position in the frame more often.
@@InexorWoW excellent feedback my dude, yep, way up in the collar bone is what I do, glad to hear your troubleshooting and shooting it in general;)
@@TacticalFellowship First shot accuracy once I got it zeroed wasn't feet off and was within an IPSC steel target at 50yrds, so was definitely the result of the mount. Though I only got about 70 rounds through before the rear lense fell out of my 509T, so I swapped to my EDC for the rest of the range session. So, I have an RMA for that on the way. Thing is 3 years old and has been on several firearms, somehow just now failing, lol.
I've bought a new one since the 509T, the RMA'd one will be put back on the AKM I pulled it from. Seems like there's a newer version since the one I ordered is the 509T X2 versus just the 509T that I have.
I don't think its premature to say that the accuracy issues were involved with the riser mount, which makes sense given the polymer design and poor barrel+bolt to chassis lockup/repeatability.
Slide, barrel, comp?
OEM but jagerwerks milled, faxon barrel, PMM comp (the one that fits on faxon barrel
Get the rip stick that replaces the front site
remember here, with this mode the point is to keep your pistol slide in pistol configuration to swap with ease back on and off pistol grip and flux chassy, rip stick front site defeats said purpose:)
They have charging handles for the front sight
yes but remember I'm keen to keep the slide "pistol ready" so a front sight charging handle be a bust
What grip tape do you use?
grey HOWIES Hockey Tape;)
What goggle are you running?
my fav flavor flave, ESS Striker w/ smoke lens
Why not just buy a B&T USW?
Or a Strike Industries SMC
bc B&T so niche and no idea how to buy them why flux chop a good idea IMO:)
@@TacticalFellowship I just got a B&T USW from Omaha Outdoors for my G19. Still has issues with the height over bore but its really cool and they have a holster for it. My Flux raider comes in this week. I also have the strike SMC and its good but has issues when you want to set it up. Cant use the extra mag holder and a light without the Large blast shield attached but if you use the blast shield you cant use a suppressor.
My man your collection is SOLID and wayyyy better than mine 😂
Thanks for adding your comment for the betterment of all;)
@@TacticalFellowship the B&T is just as tricky to get as the flux for sure. But it's also only $300. The side folding stock is also canted down so you don't have to drop your head to get a sight picture.
Boy if only the slide had serrations on the front to designate a different location to rack it from
them be great for press checks, not so great for sling shotting
Just buy the strike chassis
also a cool looking option, I do not have one but it looks cool
I still can’t figure out why you would want this over a dedicated sub gun, rattler, mp5k, scorpion, B&T. This think just don’t make sense
I think the answer is kinda simple, do any of those options you listed cost $500?
@@TacticalFellowship nah, but if your talking life and death, ain’t the time to pinch Pennie’s.
@@KittensNeedMittensif it’s life or death I’m grabbing a rifle not a compact sub gun. The sub guns you listed definitely have their place in the gun realm however, the flux is $500 and has a smaller form factor. All depends on what your needs are. I’d be using mine to fight to a rifle or use it as a truck gun in a bag.
@@krysis8115 good point on the rifle, I just can’t figure out the Flux’s place beyond the cheap price.
@@KittensNeedMittens honestly I think it’s in the spot where you don’t want to carry a full size rifle as a “truck gun” but also don’t want to carry a sub gun larger than the form factor of a flux setup. I think both a sub gun and a flux would fit the bill but there’s no doubt a flux would be easier to pull from a bag and deploy. Not to mention you can outfit it with more rounds on the gun than a sub gun. I pretty sure they sell 30rd mags for the flux now.
Do you still have that piece you cut off from the flux raider? If so, I wouldn't mind it if you shipped it to me. I'll send you my address and everything and I'll pay for shipping myself.
You trying to undo a chop?
@@HariboStarman No, i have the glock 17 version of the flux defense and i want to see if i can attach and fuse that piece onto the back portion of mine so as to but a full size reflex sight on it.
Just wanted to see if it would work.
I didnt realize this was your channel.
I wished you just waited for the flux 365 variant since it has the same functionality you were looking for.
Edit: At least now you can brag that you BUILT NOT BOUGHT it 😂❤
and since odds are low I go P365 I have all the cool of a custom Spec Op chop. It is the way to go!
It's too bad they didn't just design it to be removed
I just don't see how they could without destroying the risers rock solid, zero shift durability?
I saw a version similar to this at shot show
So you made a flux raider X
negative Bruh, Flux raider X doesn't look like this at all. Raider X is same flux with over a dozen adjustments made in production
OK so Flux raiders are cool but people talk down pcc's? Lol make up your mind guys
but the flux fits a different niche than standard PCC, which is typically the size of a rifle MINUS rifle energy, thus the knock, like having a truck with a fiat engine. Flux is VERY cool in this regard, basically a pistol + // super small but helping your handgun plus it up a bit. This is why it's very cool and niche:)