I tried to keep it within permanent maps but if I was including seasonal ones Sniper's would be Wutville and no other map would even be remotely close. Thank you for the comment though!
As a sniper main, my default map setting is Swiftwater and only Swiftwater. First point/BLU spawn has a tower and some place far in the backlines. BLU snipers can snipe from spawn. Second point, just figure it out. BLU snipers can take the tower. Third point has a bush that is fun to camouflage into and snipe. BLU snipers can sneak around and snipe from anywhere. Fourth point is kind of trash, but it's fun to stop flankers and protect the engineer, benefactor to all snipers alike. BLU snipers can access the "behindlines". Fifth point is a massive, wide-open area with a sniping place decorated with Australium furniture and paintings of the greatest longshots ever and Damascus steel knives for both RED and BLU. Sixth point/final point isn't interesting, but RED can sneak around to that sniping spot on the fifth point and BLU can try to stop RED from doing that.
Fun fact to add on to the water thing in Pier. Water also blocks sentry sight-lines above and below. Meaning any submerged player can’t be seen by an unsubmerged sentry and vice versa.
While most Payload maps are really not that well suited for Scout, I really do think Pier is a good exception and is why I play him there more over koth maps. Thank you very much for the comment though!
I’d argue that for spy to be most effective, there needs to be wide flank routes with plentiful metal, and a lot of places to break sight, which harvest doesn’t really do too well.
Cont. harvest is just a little too open to consistently get away, there aren’t quite enough ammo boxes to support him, and the flank routes aren’t very good, plus it’s also usually dominated by pyros. Not the worst choice for best map, but definitely not the best map.
I would agree which is why I think there are a few CTF and Payload maps he might function a bit better in. I ended up picking Harvest though simply because I do think its at least up there for his good maps and its one I tend to do really well with him one because of the points I stated. thank you for the comment though!
I personally have found spy to be best on maps where the objective is constantly fought over, as it provides a great distraction. This means it'll be a KOTH or PL map. It can't be too open like Upwards as it will be hard to not get caught, nor too closed like Gold Rush as you will have a hard time getting behind the enemy. Larger maps are also better, as this means doing something like sapping a tele entrance is far more detrimental to the poor heavies. It needs good flanks in case the frontlines are too hard to pass, and a lot of ammo reserves, but also a lot of cover. So I'd personally say Pier is where spy is strongest (along with scout). Ammo may not be as plentiful as other maps. but a lot of it is large ammo packs.
I encountered "those" Soldiers more on Process than on TM, but the points you made are definitely valid. And seeing the comments, it seems a followup could be a good idea!
Thank you! Process was another map that was immediately thought of for Soldier's part. I ended up choosing Thunder Mountain in the end but honestly both maps have their points of being his best map. Thank you for the comment!
Amazing editing as always! Interesting video concept, I'd say in general it's best to play the class you prefer or currently enjoy no matter the map, especially so you can learn to play with specific handicaps which will inevitably make you better at the game. But with the idea of trying to challenge yourself to get a certain amount of kills for example, or when trying to farm an achievement or a strange weapon, yeah I can see why you'd be looking for the best map for a class. Keep up the great content :)
I anticipated only well-known hyper-popular (or unpopular) maps to get chosen, but the variety of maps chosen from various eras and gamemodes of TF2 was more than i expected. Who even remembers Freight all that much anymore? Would have been amazing to see upward actually NOT picked at all, even if it was not for the class most might think of.
Sniper's map was originally going to be something like Camber or Suijin, but I ended up with Upward since it was tough to pass on a map he's so good on. Thank you for the comment though I appreciate it!
Great video, not something I think of too often but still well thought out and executed nicely (especially the editing!) The only map I've really thought of of a class map would be Fastlane for Scout; relatively obscure but has a fun movement flow. One of my favorite Control Points maps along with Freight (which I was happy to see mentioned!)
I think that Megaton is also up there for some of his best maps, its tough to tell though because of it being so new to the game and I found being countersniped on that map is so much easier because of how much more predictable Sniper positioning is on it. still a really good Sniper contender though and I thank you for the comment!
Well, the Frontier Justice of the Engineer himself is one of the best weapons engi can use. So it only makes sense his best map is frontier. I ought to try that map more.
I'd argue that Medic's number one job isn't healing and supporting his team but instead it is building and pushing Uber. There's plenty of overlap there, but a for a map to be the best map for Medic I think we need to take the importance of Uber into consideration too. Granted I'm mostly talking about stock Uber but the other mediguns can apply to this too. I feel like Uber is less important pushing on Altitude then some other maps, you really don't need an Uber to push into A and the typical engie nest at B can be spammed out from the roof above or the stairs below. It's only at C that there's a really strong spot for a nest that is best taken out with an Uber but even then a projectile class could flank on the mountain side and spam in or even cap outside the sentry's view. My vote for Medic's best map would probably be Barnblitz. There's plenty of open spaces where big team fights are happening and you have to focus on healing and buffing multiple players to keep your whole team supported. You're not fully safe from sniper headlines or spies sneaking in but there's still plenty of room to play that stay out of the standard sightlines. First, second and last points against a strong defense with an engineer or two almost require a good uber push to cap. A key stock Uber for Red can be invaluable to either stuff the Blu Uber push or push Blu further back to regain space or a Kritz push has crazy potential to clear out the attackers and push your team's defense forward. And holding a long last point stand on Barnblitz with a Quickfix, Vax or stock is super rewarding.
Barnblitz was an extremely close second for Medic while making this video, I suppose though I wanted to shed some light on a much less notable map and also wanted to more encompass the other less popular play styles for Medic which ended up with Altitude winning over. Still though I think both maps are really good especially with the points you made here about Barnblitz. Thank you for such a detailed comment!
I like this video. It gives newer players the potential to try out classes in maps where the class really shines, letting em see all each class can offer and their capabilities. Keep up the good work and move that gear up a notch! 👷♂️🔧
this was a fun video idea and I don't really disagree with you picks (maybe spy on harvest tho) also from a map maker's perspective it's interesting to hear this perspective/talk on these maps. obvs maps should try and adhere to all classes, but hearing what makes these maps good for certain classes is useful learning exp.
It does fit with a lot of maps but personally I didn't think Dustbowl was one of them which is why I ended up shifting his best map to something like Egypt which is sort of the best of both worlds for the class in my opinion. I thank you though for the comment!
Really good video, I was wondering myself what would be the worst maps for each class would be. I personally struggle making scout work on dustbowl for example.
Great video! I enjoyed watching it and your points made a lot of sense. I'd say that Barnblitz is a really good map for medic. You'll almost always have at least one good player to give uber/kritz. Defending last is the funniest experience for him. He'll always be needed there. Then, Lazarus is probably one of the strongest engi maps. Just put a level 3 on top of the point and you win (that's why I avoid that map as I find camping the point lame and unfun for other players). Most koth maps are good for engi due to: his big area denial, the small map size and the most played class is usually scout. Soldier is really good on 5cp, and also hella fun. You can flank, you can spoon, you can do crazy jumps. I never have as much joy as when I see Process being selected as the next map. He's also really good on Suijin though I hate that map Heavy is really good on Borneo once you learn the map. There's lot of potential for a roamer heavy with tomislav. My highest ks was there. Though you'll probably depend a lot on teleporters. So if it was a koth map, it would probably be... I dunno. Viaduct and Kong King are really good options. Scout is best on maps with flank routes and lots of props to jump on. Maybe Highpass? I don't really play him a lot, but I feel like Foundry is really good for him. Lots of props and flanks, you can backcap easily. I think I'll leave it there. Also, can you do a "worst map for each class" (I already see Dustbowl for spy) and a "most balanced map on tf2"? I'd really love that.
A lot of these are really good picks and I thank you for such a detailed comment! Process was one of the biggest contenders for Soldier on this video and Barnblitz was actually Medic's original map in the script before I last second changed it to Altitude. Perhaps I might make the worst maps video in the future if people want to see that!
I'm a spy main I and harvest definitely is a great pick; I normally play payload because the environment is always changing and it's harder for the enemy to find my route's but most of the time however any map that is good for scout is good for spy. Those king of the hill maps like harvest definitely do provide an advantage for spy. (My opinion)
Nah, pl_wutville is the best map for sniper. Because in pl_upward, at least the good spots are limited and predictable unless the sniper is doing exploits like pixel walking. While pl_wutville, the good spots for sniper is literally everywhere outside spawn, so sniper barely need to mind positioning and maintaining distances. But if the maps need to be in current casual rotation then koth_harvest, plr_hightower and koth_megaton probably win but isn't for some reason.
A lot of the maps you mentioned were definitely in the discussion for Sniper's best map, I wanted to keep it as non-seasonal maps though and also ones found in the main core category of the game which is why I ended up not picking maps like Wutville or Hightower. I figured Upward was a decent pick since it's been in the game long enough to build Sniper's fame on it and does have really good sightlines even if they can be predictable a lot of the time. Thank you for the comment!
I think he's actually still pretty good on last, in fact that's where I find a good amount of kills from because of how difficult it can be at times to spam a Sniper out from height or the windows on the BLU team's side. Thank you for the comment though! Wutville would of definitely been the better pick though if I was including seasonal maps!
@@androtti1008 didnt realize seasonal maps werent included, but ive found with offense sniper that that main hallway isnt held well enough ever too not get spammed out too much to snipe it, and so you end up sniping anyone that pushes out into the outdoor area and spychecking
Pier might be one of the only payload maps aside from upward and MAYBE gold rush where I can say that its a valid pick for scout. I literally managed to save a game one time on the map as scout by flanking around this big enemy encampment, doubling back to there spawn, which lead to me taking out an engineers teleporter entrance and the enemy teams medic leading us to take first which eventually caused us to win
Suprisingly, while some of these arn't my #1 picks, they're all either 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or ambiguously the top for me. Though I havn't put as much thought into best class maps so I imagine I would iron them out overtime, great video. Subbed and liked.
Scout - any CTF map except 2fort, turbine and well (and maybe double cross but there are still enough things for him to pull off there). my personal favorite is landfall. i think i never played pier, but i've seen quite a lot of it and i can confidently say that its even worse (in regard to scout supremacy) than double cross. Spy - not so confidently as with scout, but landfall and sawmill are great options again. i am not saying that they are outright the best, but they are definitely far better than the harvest
Landfall is actually a pretty good pick for Scout. the problem with him and CTF though is a lot of the time on that gamemode you will see sentries cover the entirety of key areas like the middle or the intel room where on other modes there are maps that typically have flanks allowing you to avoid a lot of it. Spy's pick though is very interchangeable which is why I fully understand your opinion and think he actually is really good on CTF too. Thank you though for the detailed comment!
@@androtti1008 tbh i forgot about possible sentries so i could agree now, but then the new CTF maps (frosty and apple jack) come into picture. though i played them very little, there is no spot for 1 sentry that fully denies all possible ways for scout and there still quite a lot of props that let him do crazy shit mid fight
I actually love Mossrock, probably in my top 10 maps of all time. I almost picked it as Spy's best map but ended up going with something a lot more familiar. I appreciate the comment though glad to see another Mossrock enjoyer!
As a Medic main. I like stalemate maps Reason #1: I'll be behind my team, and with them being at a stalemate I am less likely to be hit Reason #2: my Uber becomes that much more valuable
As a Medic main, my favourite map has to be Borneo. From my experience, the team likes to consolidate around the healer as the map isn't very flank-oriented.
Harvest? For Spy? It's a close range map filled with pyros and splash damage everywhere. The key aspect of spy, tricking the enemy, the disguise is instantly blown once you are noticed and unless you go back to your defense lines you have a most wanted poster reserved for the enemy team. Harvest is only good as a secondary map for suijin/borneo tryhards
great concept, great video, well edited and well scripted! Happy to see quality content coming from the tf2 community (could somebody tell me the name of the song during the engineer sectuon)
This video is so high quality that I didnt even notice that it only has 1,5 mil views after I saw the top comment, great work mate, keep it up, ur gonna be the next elmaxo
Viaduct?!?!?!?!?! FOR HEAVY?!?!?!??!! not when theres a decent sniper, it can be a bit painful even. I'd say koth, payload and even attack defend is where he shines but personally mossrock has to be one of his strongest, corridors aren't that cramled, except for a lil portion and punishing flankers is quite nice on heavy. Any map tha doesn't have too crazy open spaces or tight chokeholds has o' plenty of cover and decent yet manageable flank routes is good for heavy. Another good one would be applejack for how short and easy to navigate it is And kong king is very nice, while it does have a big sightline in the middle the flanks and enviroment offer reaaallyy good cover
9:11 am sorry but no just no meds best map is actually barnblitz because of just one simple reason LAST AS A VAC MEDIC IS THE DUMBEST THING EVER im not joking i must have stopped last pushes in this hell MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT and also all this happened on uncletopia so yea its really good (also the map just has good positions for you so)
you missed the part where he said all playstyles, also pointing out meds really good on ONE part of the map is not a good reason. really anything can "stop" pushes on last there.
Barnblitz was actually the map originally written before I ended up changing it to Altitude. I think its easily one of his best maps and one he can be very impactful on, but Altitude does do a better job at building a suitable playing field for his other play styles and is much easier to avoid being sticky spammed or chased down to lose out on key ubers. regardless though both maps could of easily been his best which is why I fully agree with you!
@@androtti1008 yea i played on altitude more after this(20 rounds kill me) and i still like barn more that’s probably jut my buyest( i really don’t like altitude) but i have to agree it is objectively better
I would like to see the opposite of this video. What the worst map for each class. I image it would be somewhat hard to said dustbowl, 2fort and turbine more then once.
Its a fucking crime a video this well polished dosen't even crack 1k views
It has not even been one full day since it released.
I’m sure it’ll pick up more traction with time.
Appreciate it!
Maybe not in a day, but it will crack 10k. Although deserves 100k
it will don’t worry, videos like this age better and better over itme
Found this at 8k. The algorithm's doing its job.
Sniper not being Wutville is crazy
i think it's better that this video only includes maps in the permanent all-year-round rotation
I tried to keep it within permanent maps but if I was including seasonal ones Sniper's would be Wutville and no other map would even be remotely close. Thank you for the comment though!
As a sniper main, my default map setting is Swiftwater and only Swiftwater. First point/BLU spawn has a tower and some place far in the backlines. BLU snipers can snipe from spawn. Second point, just figure it out. BLU snipers can take the tower. Third point has a bush that is fun to camouflage into and snipe. BLU snipers can sneak around and snipe from anywhere. Fourth point is kind of trash, but it's fun to stop flankers and protect the engineer, benefactor to all snipers alike. BLU snipers can access the "behindlines". Fifth point is a massive, wide-open area with a sniping place decorated with Australium furniture and paintings of the greatest longshots ever and Damascus steel knives for both RED and BLU. Sixth point/final point isn't interesting, but RED can sneak around to that sniping spot on the fifth point and BLU can try to stop RED from doing that.
Fun fact to add on to the water thing in Pier.
Water also blocks sentry sight-lines above and below.
Meaning any submerged player can’t be seen by an unsubmerged sentry and vice versa.
scout being in a payload map instead of a koth map is crazy
While most Payload maps are really not that well suited for Scout, I really do think Pier is a good exception and is why I play him there more over koth maps. Thank you very much for the comment though!
I’d argue that for spy to be most effective, there needs to be wide flank routes with plentiful metal, and a lot of places to break sight, which harvest doesn’t really do too well.
Cont. harvest is just a little too open to consistently get away, there aren’t quite enough ammo boxes to support him, and the flank routes aren’t very good, plus it’s also usually dominated by pyros. Not the worst choice for best map, but definitely not the best map.
Yeah, I'd say Suijin is the best. Very small, yet fluid map and he can get to the rooftop area reliably
im a 400h spy main and i'd say harvest is a nice map, but some payloads are better.
I would agree which is why I think there are a few CTF and Payload maps he might function a bit better in. I ended up picking Harvest though simply because I do think its at least up there for his good maps and its one I tend to do really well with him one because of the points I stated. thank you for the comment though!
I personally have found spy to be best on maps where the objective is constantly fought over, as it provides a great distraction. This means it'll be a KOTH or PL map.
It can't be too open like Upwards as it will be hard to not get caught, nor too closed like Gold Rush as you will have a hard time getting behind the enemy. Larger maps are also better, as this means doing something like sapping a tele entrance is far more detrimental to the poor heavies.
It needs good flanks in case the frontlines are too hard to pass, and a lot of ammo reserves, but also a lot of cover. So I'd personally say Pier is where spy is strongest (along with scout). Ammo may not be as plentiful as other maps. but a lot of it is large ammo packs.
For me, Spy is better on maps with lots of verticality since nobody looks up in TF2.
Barnblitz point 3 comes to mind.
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Thank you!
For Spy the best map is actually Harvest Event, because it has explosive pumpkins for surfs. :)
I encountered "those" Soldiers more on Process than on TM, but the points you made are definitely valid. And seeing the comments, it seems a followup could be a good idea!
Thank you! Process was another map that was immediately thought of for Soldier's part. I ended up choosing Thunder Mountain in the end but honestly both maps have their points of being his best map. Thank you for the comment!
Amazing editing as always! Interesting video concept, I'd say in general it's best to play the class you prefer or currently enjoy no matter the map, especially so you can learn to play with specific handicaps which will inevitably make you better at the game. But with the idea of trying to challenge yourself to get a certain amount of kills for example, or when trying to farm an achievement or a strange weapon, yeah I can see why you'd be looking for the best map for a class. Keep up the great content :)
I agree! one's personal opinion is much more important, and I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
I anticipated only well-known hyper-popular (or unpopular) maps to get chosen, but the variety of maps chosen from various eras and gamemodes of TF2 was more than i expected. Who even remembers Freight all that much anymore?
Would have been amazing to see upward actually NOT picked at all, even if it was not for the class most might think of.
Sniper's map was originally going to be something like Camber or Suijin, but I ended up with Upward since it was tough to pass on a map he's so good on. Thank you for the comment though I appreciate it!
Great video, not something I think of too often but still well thought out and executed nicely (especially the editing!)
The only map I've really thought of of a class map would be Fastlane for Scout; relatively obscure but has a fun movement flow. One of my favorite Control Points maps along with Freight (which I was happy to see mentioned!)
Maybe I should start running Fastlane more often then, thank you for the recommendation and the comment!
I thought Snipers best map would be Megaton, since that map is an entire sightline that you can reach in like 10 seconds
I think that Megaton is also up there for some of his best maps, its tough to tell though because of it being so new to the game and I found being countersniped on that map is so much easier because of how much more predictable Sniper positioning is on it. still a really good Sniper contender though and I thank you for the comment!
Well, the Frontier Justice of the Engineer himself is one of the best weapons engi can use. So it only makes sense his best map is frontier. I ought to try that map more.
I'd argue that Medic's number one job isn't healing and supporting his team but instead it is building and pushing Uber. There's plenty of overlap there, but a for a map to be the best map for Medic I think we need to take the importance of Uber into consideration too. Granted I'm mostly talking about stock Uber but the other mediguns can apply to this too.
I feel like Uber is less important pushing on Altitude then some other maps, you really don't need an Uber to push into A and the typical engie nest at B can be spammed out from the roof above or the stairs below. It's only at C that there's a really strong spot for a nest that is best taken out with an Uber but even then a projectile class could flank on the mountain side and spam in or even cap outside the sentry's view.
My vote for Medic's best map would probably be Barnblitz. There's plenty of open spaces where big team fights are happening and you have to focus on healing and buffing multiple players to keep your whole team supported. You're not fully safe from sniper headlines or spies sneaking in but there's still plenty of room to play that stay out of the standard sightlines. First, second and last points against a strong defense with an engineer or two almost require a good uber push to cap. A key stock Uber for Red can be invaluable to either stuff the Blu Uber push or push Blu further back to regain space or a Kritz push has crazy potential to clear out the attackers and push your team's defense forward. And holding a long last point stand on Barnblitz with a Quickfix, Vax or stock is super rewarding.
Barnblitz was an extremely close second for Medic while making this video, I suppose though I wanted to shed some light on a much less notable map and also wanted to more encompass the other less popular play styles for Medic which ended up with Altitude winning over. Still though I think both maps are really good especially with the points you made here about Barnblitz. Thank you for such a detailed comment!
Heavily agree with Pier for scout, never felt like such a menace while Scout
Thought that one would be a more rough pick but glad to see you agree!
I like this video. It gives newer players the potential to try out classes in maps where the class really shines, letting em see all each class can offer and their capabilities. Keep up the good work and move that gear up a notch! 👷♂️🔧
Appreciate it!
you sound like ritcher overtime
(great video btw, the editing is so good.)
Maybe we're the same person (Richter's more talented than me). Thank you though for the comment!
Yo what is this quality? Chill man you don’t have enough subs to be this good
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this was a fun video idea and I don't really disagree with you picks (maybe spy on harvest tho) also from a map maker's perspective it's interesting to hear this perspective/talk on these maps. obvs maps should try and adhere to all classes, but hearing what makes these maps good for certain classes is useful learning exp.
Glad I could be a fresh perspective for you. Receiving comments from actual map makers is actually awesome!
I rarely get Freight so Pyro's best map for me is Harvest
I disagree as a demo main. Honestly sticky jumper and hybrid knight almost fits with any map
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It does fit with a lot of maps but personally I didn't think Dustbowl was one of them which is why I ended up shifting his best map to something like Egypt which is sort of the best of both worlds for the class in my opinion. I thank you though for the comment!
Really good video, I was wondering myself what would be the worst maps for each class would be. I personally struggle making scout work on dustbowl for example.
Perhaps I'll make a worst maps video in the future. Dustbowl could definitely be a contender for some classes on there!
How is this so well made bro you do not need to go this hard
Great video! I enjoyed watching it and your points made a lot of sense.
I'd say that Barnblitz is a really good map for medic. You'll almost always have at least one good player to give uber/kritz. Defending last is the funniest experience for him. He'll always be needed there.
Then, Lazarus is probably one of the strongest engi maps. Just put a level 3 on top of the point and you win (that's why I avoid that map as I find camping the point lame and unfun for other players). Most koth maps are good for engi due to: his big area denial, the small map size and the most played class is usually scout.
Soldier is really good on 5cp, and also hella fun. You can flank, you can spoon, you can do crazy jumps. I never have as much joy as when I see Process being selected as the next map. He's also really good on Suijin though I hate that map
Heavy is really good on Borneo once you learn the map. There's lot of potential for a roamer heavy with tomislav. My highest ks was there. Though you'll probably depend a lot on teleporters. So if it was a koth map, it would probably be... I dunno. Viaduct and Kong King are really good options.
Scout is best on maps with flank routes and lots of props to jump on. Maybe Highpass? I don't really play him a lot, but I feel like Foundry is really good for him. Lots of props and flanks, you can backcap easily.
I think I'll leave it there.
Also, can you do a "worst map for each class" (I already see Dustbowl for spy) and a "most balanced map on tf2"? I'd really love that.
A lot of these are really good picks and I thank you for such a detailed comment! Process was one of the biggest contenders for Soldier on this video and Barnblitz was actually Medic's original map in the script before I last second changed it to Altitude. Perhaps I might make the worst maps video in the future if people want to see that!
I'm a spy main I and harvest definitely is a great pick; I normally play payload because the environment is always changing and it's harder for the enemy to find my route's but most of the time however any map that is good for scout is good for spy. Those king of the hill maps like harvest definitely do provide an advantage for spy. (My opinion)
I agree! thank you for the comment!
i would agree with a lot of these picks, especially Frontier for engy and Viaduct for heavy
Nah, pl_wutville is the best map for sniper. Because in pl_upward, at least the good spots are limited and predictable unless the sniper is doing exploits like pixel walking. While pl_wutville, the good spots for sniper is literally everywhere outside spawn, so sniper barely need to mind positioning and maintaining distances. But if the maps need to be in current casual rotation then koth_harvest, plr_hightower and koth_megaton probably win but isn't for some reason.
A lot of the maps you mentioned were definitely in the discussion for Sniper's best map, I wanted to keep it as non-seasonal maps though and also ones found in the main core category of the game which is why I ended up not picking maps like Wutville or Hightower. I figured Upward was a decent pick since it's been in the game long enough to build Sniper's fame on it and does have really good sightlines even if they can be predictable a lot of the time. Thank you for the comment!
sniper being upward where the last section of the map is almost unplayable as offense vs harvest or wutville is crazy
I think he's actually still pretty good on last, in fact that's where I find a good amount of kills from because of how difficult it can be at times to spam a Sniper out from height or the windows on the BLU team's side. Thank you for the comment though! Wutville would of definitely been the better pick though if I was including seasonal maps!
@@androtti1008 didnt realize seasonal maps werent included, but ive found with offense sniper that that main hallway isnt held well enough ever too not get spammed out too much to snipe it, and so you end up sniping anyone that pushes out into the outdoor area and spychecking
There's a couple choices I don't perfectly agree with, but otherwise this video is VERY based and well thought out.
Thank you!
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Pier might be one of the only payload maps aside from upward and MAYBE gold rush where I can say that its a valid pick for scout. I literally managed to save a game one time on the map as scout by flanking around this big enemy encampment, doubling back to there spawn, which lead to me taking out an engineers teleporter entrance and the enemy teams medic leading us to take first which eventually caused us to win
Well made video, gud stuff!
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This is a seriously well edited video, I really enjoyed it.
Thank you!
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Odyssey feels like it was designed for soldier
Was actually in my top 3 picks for Soldier when making this video!
Suprisingly, while some of these arn't my #1 picks, they're all either 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or ambiguously the top for me. Though I havn't put as much thought into best class maps so I imagine I would iron them out overtime, great video. Subbed and liked.
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Scout - any CTF map except 2fort, turbine and well (and maybe double cross but there are still enough things for him to pull off there). my personal favorite is landfall. i think i never played pier, but i've seen quite a lot of it and i can confidently say that its even worse (in regard to scout supremacy) than double cross.
Spy - not so confidently as with scout, but landfall and sawmill are great options again. i am not saying that they are outright the best, but they are definitely far better than the harvest
Landfall is actually a pretty good pick for Scout. the problem with him and CTF though is a lot of the time on that gamemode you will see sentries cover the entirety of key areas like the middle or the intel room where on other modes there are maps that typically have flanks allowing you to avoid a lot of it. Spy's pick though is very interchangeable which is why I fully understand your opinion and think he actually is really good on CTF too. Thank you though for the detailed comment!
@@androtti1008 tbh i forgot about possible sentries so i could agree now, but then the new CTF maps (frosty and apple jack) come into picture.
though i played them very little, there is no spot for 1 sentry that fully denies all possible ways for scout and there still quite a lot of props that let him do crazy shit mid fight
Moss rock is the goat, unfortunately nobody plays it. That’s the problem with have 100 maps
Every class is S tier on moss rock
Perfect map
I actually love Mossrock, probably in my top 10 maps of all time. I almost picked it as Spy's best map but ended up going with something a lot more familiar. I appreciate the comment though glad to see another Mossrock enjoyer!
As a Medic main. I like stalemate maps
Reason #1: I'll be behind my team, and with them being at a stalemate I am less likely to be hit
Reason #2: my Uber becomes that much more valuable
demoknight on Megaton is awesome, it's a trimp haven, so as a demoknight main I'd recommend Megaton for knight specifically
its amazing how many times i played spy good on Odyssey, more than other maps
As a Medic main, my favourite map has to be Borneo.
From my experience, the team likes to consolidate around the healer as the map isn't very flank-oriented.
Harvest? For Spy? It's a close range map filled with pyros and splash damage everywhere. The key aspect of spy, tricking the enemy, the disguise is instantly blown once you are noticed and unless you go back to your defense lines you have a most wanted poster reserved for the enemy team. Harvest is only good as a secondary map for suijin/borneo tryhards
great concept, great video, well edited and well scripted! Happy to see quality content coming from the tf2 community
(could somebody tell me the name of the song during the engineer sectuon)
Thank you for making this video, now if I get killed I can just say that I was playing on a bad map for the class I was playing
This is fire!
This video is so high quality that I didnt even notice that it only has 1,5 mil views after I saw the top comment, great work mate, keep it up, ur gonna be the next elmaxo
thank you!
Brilliant video, thanks!
DUSTBOWL IS BEST MAP
2fort snipers fear me
as they should
should get more views
BANGER VIDEO??
I think harvest is an okay pick, but odyssey just has so much potential for spy.
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no, come on. we all know the best sniper map is wutville
Wutville is easily his best and would of been included if I was counting seasonal maps!
demoman's best map is degroo keep tho, change my mind
real ones know Degroot Keep is his peak
Now what is the best map for ALL classes?
As a spy main I can say with 100% certainty that 2fort and harvest are not good maps for spy
Wow The video was amazing I expected it to have more views
Trying to pick one single map for every class out of TF2s HUGE map-pool is obviously insanely hard. But Pier for Scout... Like...
yeah also disagree with scout on pier. Last and 3rd point are VERY anti scout if you have one good engi in the enemy team
Viaduct?!?!?!?!?! FOR HEAVY?!?!?!??!! not when theres a decent sniper, it can be a bit painful even.
I'd say koth, payload and even attack defend is where he shines but personally mossrock has to be one of his strongest, corridors aren't that cramled, except for a lil portion and punishing flankers is quite nice on heavy.
Any map tha doesn't have too crazy open spaces or tight chokeholds has o' plenty of cover and decent yet manageable flank routes is good for heavy.
Another good one would be applejack for how short and easy to navigate it is
And kong king is very nice, while it does have a big sightline in the middle the flanks and enviroment offer reaaallyy good cover
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Megaton is sniper
9:11 am sorry but no just no
meds best map is actually barnblitz because of just one simple reason
LAST AS A VAC MEDIC IS THE DUMBEST THING EVER
im not joking i must have stopped last pushes in this hell MORE TIMES THAN I CAN COUNT and also all this happened on uncletopia so yea its really good
(also the map just has good positions for you so)
you missed the part where he said all playstyles, also pointing out meds really good on ONE part of the map is not a good reason. really anything can "stop" pushes on last there.
Barnblitz was actually the map originally written before I ended up changing it to Altitude. I think its easily one of his best maps and one he can be very impactful on, but Altitude does do a better job at building a suitable playing field for his other play styles and is much easier to avoid being sticky spammed or chased down to lose out on key ubers. regardless though both maps could of easily been his best which is why I fully agree with you!
@@androtti1008 yea i played on altitude more after this(20 rounds kill me) and i still like barn more that’s probably jut my buyest( i really don’t like altitude) but i have to agree it is objectively better
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Scout is not a pick class
I would like to see the opposite of this video. What the worst map for each class. I image it would be somewhat hard to said dustbowl, 2fort and turbine more then once.
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