I really did have a great time talking Carolina Bays with you, Matt! And great job editing, Ryan! I agree with the decision to combine the two parts. It kind of needs to be all under one roof. Can't wait to do it again sometime!
Yes it is outstanding, my thanks to you and Matt, it was very interesting and clearly presented. Looks to me like there have been several episodes of impacts mixed in with the periods of glaciation.
@@DabblersDen I had never heard you speak before this and the Carolina Bays are completely new to me. I must say, you and the evidence were very compelling. Gonna have to pop over to your channel and subscribe! Well done sir, thank you for the knowledge 🙌🏻
Thanks, everyone! There's a lot there to unpack, and it can get a little overwhelming. Kudos to Matt for being an excellent host who is versed on the subject!
Great episode. It seems absurd to me that this is so highly contested considering how easy it should be to model this kind of thing with software. It's also absurd that people are so against catastrophism considering that everyone agrees the dinosaurs were killed by a catastrophic impact.
Thank you for turning me on to Mr Cottrell. This is the most digestible podcast on the Carolina Bays I've yet to see. It was informative, but not schizophrenic as the other info out there.
I think Chris is spot on to say these should be able to stand on their own merit and not necessarily need to be linked to YDIH. He is also very respectful of Antonio Zamora's work without disparaging him over some of the disagreements he has.
@wagone well said. He is just sharing his point of view and he happens to disagree with the king on the dating. I haven’t talked to Antonio or heard his explanation for why there’s none under 42 feet, hopefully one day so we can get both sides of that particular point.
Tony and I are great friends and exchange emails about once a week or so. I root for him to come up with better evidence to push the CBs back towards YD timeframe for me, because to be honest... it was more fun when I thought the two were related. So far, his only rebuttal is hurricane storm surges over the past 6,000 years (the amount of time our current shorelines have been relativelystable), but just like tsunamis, there's no evidence to support that kind of destruction over that amount of time.
Thanks, Mike! Hope to do it again sometime! I'm currently waiting to see if a joint paper I co-authored with Zamora gets published in the Science Open Journal of Airbursts and Cratering Impacts... fingers-crossed!
And it needs to be said again, this production quality is absolute gold. I love that I can read what's on the screen. So many podcasts put crap up in an upper third and I can't see a thing. The set design is fantastic and the lighting and sound is really great. Bravo all you behind camera folks 👏🏻 and Matt is easily the most informed host out there which makes the conversations engaging as opposed to these people's usual lectures they recite on everyone's show.
@@ryanbarthel8558 Man you did fantastic on camera the other day too👌🏻 it's not easy, I know lol. But anyway keep it up, you guys are on the precipice of something truly wonderful. The hunger for this content is growing ravenous, and a year from now my comments will be lost in an ocean of them. You will have a very blessed '24, I know it🙌🏻
Heck yes🙌🏻 can't wait to hear all of this. I recently learned that Middlesborro Kentucky, bout 30 minutes north of me, is actually a ancient impact crater. Kinda explains the surreal landscape of Cumberland Gap. Anywho, can't wait to learn about these, thanks y'all 🙌🏻
@@mattbealllimitless Keep up the great work, i love what ya do man! I heard David Grusch's name, you should get him or try to get Jeremy Corbell/George Knapp on the show! The UFO problem is really intriguing and i think the whole Government issue with UFO's is insanity!
@@SuenTV yep, that’s a passion of mine and has been for 35 years since was a kid. I’m in contact with Tim Burchett on coming on. He seems open and he wants me to reach back out next week. Also I’m friends with Morgan Beall founder of the SCU, he will be a recurring guest for sure. Some of the others like grusch, Corbell, James Fox etc would be amazing people to talk to.
These are very fascinating!! Was looking forward for this subject being covered! And this perspective seems to have the most likely hood, among any other. And the data, the data is so important! And diving into and exploring the alternatives, and of what has a high probability of actually happened. Great work Matt!!
Regarding the rising and falling sea levels erasing the Carolina Bays.... are you taking isostatic reflex into account? Because after the glaciers were removed from the North American continent, the land would have risen up quite a bit. So lets say there was an impact around the Younger Dryas that caused the Carolina Bays, and then the water rose, slowly over time the land would then rise up also, maybe about 30 feet, leaving a section of land that would have been underwater after the impact back above ground again. There would be a significant lag between the time when the oceans filled up about 400 feet, and the land rebounding back upward (from the ice sheet no longer pressing down on it). This would explain pretty damn perfectly how there would be an area where the Carolina Bays have been washed away by the ocean, yet were still caused by an impact during the Younger Dryas.
@mikelee9886 Mike, so basically you’re saying that after the YD, the land and see rose, but the land rose 30 feet more because of isostatic rebound? Makes sense as a possibility to me. Is that how Zamora explains it? I emailed Chris to get his thoughts too. Matt
@@mattbealllimitless Always keep in mind that bays could have formed in certain areas but are no longer present due to 13,000 years of erosive forces. A slight difference in soil composition (like being an old coastline) could easily explain why bays are no longer present in those particular areas despite being present nearby.
Allow me to amplify Chris’s observation regarding the entanglement of the likely YDB event with the clearly over 400,000 year age of these robust basins: pushing that line of thought simply gives the specialists lots of gold-standard, rock solid, evidence to disparage any catastrophic theory and discourage young professionals from looking any further into them. A primary reason the GSA advanced the mid Pleistocene hypothesis into two 30 page papers was to provide an incentive for grad student research.
@@MichaelDavias Hello. I wanted to ask you--why does the Ovoid Basin Survey program try to fit orientations to Saginaw when a large portion of the upper latitude bays clearly orient well-North of the Great Lakes? Also: there are numerous bays in the Upper Midwest (that also orient above the Great Lakes) where the Laurentide Ice Sheet would've been located. Doesn't this prove that the features had to have been created *after* the glacier retreated?
Interesting- until now i heard only from Randall Carlson and Ben van Kerkwyk from UnchartedX about those - gonna enjoy this..👍 (Edit: Sorry! - forgot to Mention Antonio Zamora)
Wow I was glued to this video, thank god your on spotify so i could finish listening in the car. Never even heard of a carolina bay before, but super interested now. Its funny I was thinking about sand on a beach the first time i saw the image of these things. Got to be more to this story. Thanks Matt and Chris for breaking down the theories!
Very interesting not being an American I didn't know a lot about the Carolina Bays but I have heard Randall talk of them On Kosmographia thanks for showing me so much more Chris & Matt .
@gregbrown5473 thanks! the crazy thing is, I’d guess less than 1% of Americans have ever heard of the Carolina Bays. Thank you Chris for helping to change that!
The ballistic ice that made the Bays, would have been coming in at Shuttle speeds, more like mach-12. But I think this ice would have been crushed, forming slush-balls. And their flight would have been too short, for any freezing or boiling. The important thing being that soft crushed slush-balls would create shallow craters, which is what we see with the Carolina Bays. Experiments with sand-balls thrown onto damp beach sand, do create ellipses. Ralph
@rustycarpenter1219 It may not be as crazy as you think. Tim Harris mentioned "evidence of arcing or high voltage & high current electrical damage" on many of the AA tektites found.
@@rustycarpenter1219. .. There is a stagnation layer next to the surface of the bolide, which considerably reduces the heat transfer of reentry. Plus water-ice has a huge latent heat of evaporation. Combined with a short flight time, I see no reason why a large slush-ball bolide would not easily survive reentry. Plus the soft slush-ball would make a shallow crater, which is what we see. R
@RalphEllis this is precisely what I hypothesis towards the end of the show. I used the term "conglomerate of highly fractured glacial ice", which pretty much means frozen slush ball. Great minds!
Not just 125 ka, but the paleo-Atlantic shoreline evidence strongly suggests a date older than 400 ka... the only hypothesis that matches this timeline is the Mid-Pleistocene Transition impact that created the AA tektites proposed by Davias, Gilbride, and Harris. I really think the CBs need to be removed from any mention of the YDB to help progress BOTH hypotheses.
@AndrewOudin 0 seconds ago Those Bay trees are common around the carolina bays, but they aren't the culinary 'bay leaf.' A testament to the disarray in plant common names, the "Bay" trees in the american southeast are primarily Magnolia virginiana, Persea borbonia, and Gordonia lasianthus. Each of these trees is in a different family, and only the Persea is related to the tree "bay leaves" come from. Laurus nobilis is the culinary bay, and it is native to fast-draining rocky soils around the mediterranean.
Thanks, Andrew! The Bay trees of the American southest are just as edible as the variety grown for culinary purposes around the Mediterranean. They can be dried and used to flavor soups, sauces, and most notably around here... low-country crab boils! Have you heard of the Yaupon holly (Ilex vomitoria)? Another native plant from the area who's dried leaves make a naturally sweetened AND caffeinated tea. Just be careful not to drink to much, otherwise the second part of the nomenclature may become a reality!
Randall Carlson is up to date. I heard him on Kosmographia hypothesizing that he thought these might be ice chunks from a large impact on the ice sheet. Maybe you helped him go back to research this.
@DabblersDen I maybe getting my facts mixed up because I watch way too many people. The bolides sounds correct. I watch another channel and that man talks about the ice and slingshot test. I also recently found out there are some in East Texas where I live. Great work and super interesting.
@mattbealllimitless I believe it's in reference to when Chris says his detectors say "oh you're just a TH-cam guy" and @TheGweem is defending Chris in saying who cares the source if it's legitimate criticism of the establishment narrative. Like when you said you are just a guy who sells clothes. While that may be true, it doesn't make your concepts and propositions in this particular field any less legitimate. That was my uninvited take as I peruse the comments procrastinating on my own script I've yet to write😂
@@TheGweem I've had the exact thought when Matt kinda cut on himself so I totally followed what ya meant haha. A good thought is a good thought and we should all be bold enough to speak them when we have them. Cheers friend 🍻
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This video just became THE most comprehensive discussion on Carolina Bays ever! Outstanding!
I really did have a great time talking Carolina Bays with you, Matt! And great job editing, Ryan! I agree with the decision to combine the two parts. It kind of needs to be all under one roof. Can't wait to do it again sometime!
Great episode dude!
Yes it is outstanding, my thanks to you and Matt, it was very interesting and clearly presented. Looks to me like there have been several episodes of impacts mixed in with the periods of glaciation.
@@DabblersDen I had never heard you speak before this and the Carolina Bays are completely new to me. I must say, you and the evidence were very compelling. Gonna have to pop over to your channel and subscribe! Well done sir, thank you for the knowledge 🙌🏻
Thanks, everyone! There's a lot there to unpack, and it can get a little overwhelming. Kudos to Matt for being an excellent host who is versed on the subject!
I grew up in southern Wisconsin and used to sit and stare at the area around me and think 'really, only 6000 years old?' thanx great job.
Great episode. It seems absurd to me that this is so highly contested considering how easy it should be to model this kind of thing with software.
It's also absurd that people are so against catastrophism considering that everyone agrees the dinosaurs were killed by a catastrophic impact.
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Thank you for turning me on to Mr Cottrell. This is the most digestible podcast on the Carolina Bays I've yet to see. It was informative, but not schizophrenic as the other info out there.
I think Chris is spot on to say these should be able to stand on their own merit and not necessarily need to be linked to YDIH. He is also very respectful of Antonio Zamora's work without disparaging him over some of the disagreements he has.
@wagone well said. He is just sharing his point of view and he happens to disagree with the king on the dating. I haven’t talked to Antonio or heard his explanation for why there’s none under 42 feet, hopefully one day so we can get both sides of that particular point.
Tony and I are great friends and exchange emails about once a week or so. I root for him to come up with better evidence to push the CBs back towards YD timeframe for me, because to be honest... it was more fun when I thought the two were related. So far, his only rebuttal is hurricane storm surges over the past 6,000 years (the amount of time our current shorelines have been relativelystable), but just like tsunamis, there's no evidence to support that kind of destruction over that amount of time.
Great interview Matt!
One of my favorites 🤯
Thanks, Mike! Hope to do it again sometime! I'm currently waiting to see if a joint paper I co-authored with Zamora gets published in the Science Open Journal of Airbursts and Cratering Impacts... fingers-crossed!
And it needs to be said again, this production quality is absolute gold. I love that I can read what's on the screen. So many podcasts put crap up in an upper third and I can't see a thing. The set design is fantastic and the lighting and sound is really great. Bravo all you behind camera folks 👏🏻 and Matt is easily the most informed host out there which makes the conversations engaging as opposed to these people's usual lectures they recite on everyone's show.
Thanks dude! This made my weekend!!!!
@@ryanbarthel8558 Man you did fantastic on camera the other day too👌🏻 it's not easy, I know lol. But anyway keep it up, you guys are on the precipice of something truly wonderful. The hunger for this content is growing ravenous, and a year from now my comments will be lost in an ocean of them. You will have a very blessed '24, I know it🙌🏻
Its very appreciated top tier
Ryan is ON it! You guys should see this dude behind his bank of monitors. Impressive is an understatement!
@@DabblersDen hahaha I can believe that. This show runs cleaner then 90% of podcasts out there!
Great work!
Thanks! Help spread it around!
Heck yes🙌🏻 can't wait to hear all of this. I recently learned that Middlesborro Kentucky, bout 30 minutes north of me, is actually a ancient impact crater. Kinda explains the surreal landscape of Cumberland Gap. Anywho, can't wait to learn about these, thanks y'all 🙌🏻
Awesome, looking forward to this episode! Keep up the great work.
@suentv Thanks! You’ve been commenting/liking since the beginning and I really appreciate the support!!
Matt
@@mattbealllimitless Keep up the great work, i love what ya do man! I heard David Grusch's name, you should get him or try to get Jeremy Corbell/George Knapp on the show! The UFO problem is really intriguing and i think the whole Government issue with UFO's is insanity!
@@SuenTV yep, that’s a passion of mine and has been for 35 years since was a kid. I’m in contact with Tim Burchett on coming on. He seems open and he wants me to reach back out next week. Also I’m friends with Morgan Beall founder of the SCU, he will be a recurring guest for sure. Some of the others like grusch, Corbell, James Fox etc would be amazing people to talk to.
Cheers
Thank you so much, Matt and Chris. I've been waiting for this one!
Yes sir, we hope you enjoy it!!!
These are very fascinating!! Was looking forward for this subject being covered! And this perspective seems to have the most likely hood, among any other. And the data, the data is so important! And diving into and exploring the alternatives, and of what has a high probability of actually happened. Great work Matt!!
I enjoyed this long presentation, I have heard Chris before, followed him a few years.
Thanks, Anne. You're the best!
Regarding the rising and falling sea levels erasing the Carolina Bays.... are you taking isostatic reflex into account? Because after the glaciers were removed from the North American continent, the land would have risen up quite a bit. So lets say there was an impact around the Younger Dryas that caused the Carolina Bays, and then the water rose, slowly over time the land would then rise up also, maybe about 30 feet, leaving a section of land that would have been underwater after the impact back above ground again. There would be a significant lag between the time when the oceans filled up about 400 feet, and the land rebounding back upward (from the ice sheet no longer pressing down on it). This would explain pretty damn perfectly how there would be an area where the Carolina Bays have been washed away by the ocean, yet were still caused by an impact during the Younger Dryas.
@mikelee9886 Mike, so basically you’re saying that after the YD, the land and see rose, but the land rose 30 feet more because of isostatic rebound? Makes sense as a possibility to me. Is that how Zamora explains it? I emailed Chris to get his thoughts too.
Matt
@@mattbealllimitless Always keep in mind that bays could have formed in certain areas but are no longer present due to 13,000 years of erosive forces. A slight difference in soil composition (like being an old coastline) could easily explain why bays are no longer present in those particular areas despite being present nearby.
Allow me to amplify Chris’s observation regarding the entanglement of the likely YDB event with the clearly over 400,000 year age of these robust basins: pushing that line of thought simply gives the specialists lots of gold-standard, rock solid, evidence to disparage any catastrophic theory and discourage young professionals from looking any further into them. A primary reason the GSA advanced the mid Pleistocene hypothesis into two 30 page papers was to provide an incentive for grad student research.
@@MichaelDavias Hello. I wanted to ask you--why does the Ovoid Basin Survey program try to fit orientations to Saginaw when a large portion of the upper latitude bays clearly orient well-North of the Great Lakes? Also: there are numerous bays in the Upper Midwest (that also orient above the Great Lakes) where the Laurentide Ice Sheet would've been located. Doesn't this prove that the features had to have been created *after* the glacier retreated?
Interesting- until now i heard only from Randall Carlson and Ben van Kerkwyk from UnchartedX about those - gonna enjoy this..👍
(Edit: Sorry! - forgot to Mention Antonio Zamora)
You came to the right place! This is still the most comprehensive discussion about Carolina Bays on the internet.
Wow I was glued to this video, thank god your on spotify so i could finish listening in the car. Never even heard of a carolina bay before, but super interested now. Its funny I was thinking about sand on a beach the first time i saw the image of these things. Got to be more to this story. Thanks Matt and Chris for breaking down the theories!
You bet! Thanks for being interested!
@bretontambasco407 awesome glad you enjoyed it thanks for the comment and feedback! 😊
Matt
Very interesting not being an American I didn't know a lot about the Carolina Bays but I have heard Randall talk of them On Kosmographia thanks for showing me so much more Chris & Matt .
You bet! Help spread the word!
@gregbrown5473 thanks! the crazy thing is, I’d guess less than 1% of Americans have ever heard of the Carolina Bays. Thank you Chris for helping to change that!
The ballistic ice that made the Bays, would have been coming in at Shuttle speeds, more like mach-12.
But I think this ice would have been crushed, forming slush-balls. And their flight would have been too short, for any freezing or boiling. The important thing being that soft crushed slush-balls would create shallow craters, which is what we see with the Carolina Bays.
Experiments with sand-balls thrown onto damp beach sand, do create ellipses.
Ralph
Energized particle laden plasma slush? Just a crazy idea.
@rustycarpenter1219 It may not be as crazy as you think. Tim Harris mentioned "evidence of arcing or high voltage & high current electrical damage" on many of the AA tektites found.
@@rustycarpenter1219. .. There is a stagnation layer next to the surface of the bolide, which considerably reduces the heat transfer of reentry. Plus water-ice has a huge latent heat of evaporation. Combined with a short flight time, I see no reason why a large slush-ball bolide would not easily survive reentry.
Plus the soft slush-ball would make a shallow crater, which is what we see.
R
@RalphEllis this is precisely what I hypothesis towards the end of the show. I used the term "conglomerate of highly fractured glacial ice", which pretty much means frozen slush ball. Great minds!
I didn't know about the 125 ka sea level rise. 100% behind the mechanism proposed by Zamora but the time line doesn't support the YDIH origin.
Not just 125 ka, but the paleo-Atlantic shoreline evidence strongly suggests a date older than 400 ka... the only hypothesis that matches this timeline is the Mid-Pleistocene Transition impact that created the AA tektites proposed by Davias, Gilbride, and Harris. I really think the CBs need to be removed from any mention of the YDB to help progress BOTH hypotheses.
I totally buy into this. Anthony Zamora has many TH-cam videos on this, it's fascinating. He's written a book on it too.
@AndrewOudin
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Those Bay trees are common around the carolina bays, but they aren't the culinary 'bay leaf.' A testament to the disarray in plant common names, the "Bay" trees in the american southeast are primarily Magnolia virginiana, Persea borbonia, and Gordonia lasianthus. Each of these trees is in a different family, and only the Persea is related to the tree "bay leaves" come from. Laurus nobilis is the culinary bay, and it is native to fast-draining rocky soils around the mediterranean.
Thanks, Andrew! The Bay trees of the American southest are just as edible as the variety grown for culinary purposes around the Mediterranean. They can be dried and used to flavor soups, sauces, and most notably around here... low-country crab boils!
Have you heard of the Yaupon holly (Ilex vomitoria)? Another native plant from the area who's dried leaves make a naturally sweetened AND caffeinated tea. Just be careful not to drink to much, otherwise the second part of the nomenclature may become a reality!
Randall Carlson is up to date. I heard him on Kosmographia hypothesizing that he thought these might be ice chunks from a large impact on the ice sheet. Maybe you helped him go back to research this.
When was that recorded? He told me personally last summer he linked them to tunguska-like bolides and pointed out swampy bogs at Tunguska.
It's been in the last year. Maybe the last six months.
@DabblersDen I maybe getting my facts mixed up because I watch way too many people. The bolides sounds correct. I watch another channel and that man talks about the ice and slingshot test. I also recently found out there are some in East Texas where I live. Great work and super interesting.
@@StelleenBlack Maybe I broke through to him! If you remember what episode it was, I'd like to give it a listen.
@@StelleenBlack Sounds like you are referring to Antonio Zamora.
This dude was my Environmental Science teacher my senior year in High School wtf am I randomly seeing him on Matt Beall's Podcast?!?!?! Thats so cool
@anantelope4862 That’s awesome @dabblersden is still teaching
@@mattbealllimitless Love your channel Matt insanely underrated podcasts and a great host
@@anantelope4862 🙏👊🏼
Calling out the overeducated simpletons! Love it!
its a fallacy to dismiss information purely on source , who cares if your just a youtube guy, is the criticism legit!
@thegweem hey I appreciate the comment but I’m not following. What’s on your mind?
@mattbealllimitless I believe it's in reference to when Chris says his detectors say "oh you're just a TH-cam guy" and @TheGweem is defending Chris in saying who cares the source if it's legitimate criticism of the establishment narrative. Like when you said you are just a guy who sells clothes. While that may be true, it doesn't make your concepts and propositions in this particular field any less legitimate. That was my uninvited take as I peruse the comments procrastinating on my own script I've yet to write😂
@@East10Outpost haha got it! Make sense thanks East!
correct, sir🤙
@@TheGweem I've had the exact thought when Matt kinda cut on himself so I totally followed what ya meant haha. A good thought is a good thought and we should all be bold enough to speak them when we have them. Cheers friend 🍻
uniformitarianism is the dumbest thing ever. Why? Err. Meteor impacts?
Right?!? Why does that get a pass???