@@Kevinbrvo here's the thing Kevin, in a marriage the spouses are a team, a single unit. And so when it comes to potentially superfluous purchases, those things will generally be signed off by both parties concurrently. Thats why RG said he was going to go away and communicate the benefits of the Skierg to his wife, because a) they'll both be using it and b) chances are the money will come out of the joint account. Youre about to be very unlucky in love with your current attitude.
@@angusmarch1066 100% agree. It’s a partnership. My partner and I run any big purchases by each other. I’m always happy when they can get something nice for themselves and vice versa. When you are in a partnership you share everything, including finances. It’s not a matter of “I wear the pants so I’ll just do it” - you need to be in harmony/unison together.
The SkiErg is a wonderful teaching tool. We can work with our skiers and make corrections on poling properly for Nordic skiing. This is one of the very best aerobic tools. We love them.
Advice from a skier... use hand straps. When you are double poling on snow releasing your hands from the handle helps relax your shoulders. Without the straps a skier would have to overgrip the ski handle. On the poling phase hands don't go past the hips, and you let to of the handle, so the straps keep the poles attached to your hands. Top marathon skiers in Europe do classic races like the Vasaloppet (90km) using skis without grip wax and use double poling only. I'd watch a video of one them training on the erg to get an idea of the body position and tempo. I find that since the ski erg workout is more of a core, lats and triceps workout it complements the rowing erg which is more of a lower body workout. So you can actually do a hybrid workout where you do some intervals on the rowing erg and you have a full body endurance workout.
I started doing the SkiErg about eight months ago because of a hamstring injury that kept me from running. I have to say that it depends on your goal as to the proper technique. For example, if I am going for an all out 1000 m attempt to beat my PR I am going to use the full stroke top to bottom and therefore incorporating deep squats. Today I did 1000 m in 3 minutes and 41 seconds, I can’t imagine doing that without squatting in the downward motion. And when I do 250 m intervals with a 90 second rest I actually jump at the top in order to get an even downward pull that I know I couldn’t get the way you just described. Again, whenever I use the SkiErg I’m always red lining, I’m going all out. I like your videos and I appreciate what you’re doing, and next time I’m going to actually see how fast I can do 1000 meters in the upright position.
Why do you think it's so much easier for me to redline and just workout to exhaustion with this compared to a treadmill or row machine ? Do these and put my phone timer on 1 minute and I do multiple sets and I'm dripping sweat. I actually am thinking about buying this machine as basically my first home gym machine haha I LOVE the one at my lifetime gym !
My doctor told me to lay off rowing for a month or so, and I am going bananas. Fortunately my gym has a ski erg as well, so thanks for the video! Very informative and clear
Shane, you talk about SR being in the 40-65 range & low 30 being abnormally low. I'm putting in about 10K a day on the SkiErg & found (for me) that my best times come from a lower, stronger pull rate. That's just my experience. Thanks for your videos, bc you've completely changed how I row & made me much more efficient on the rower & SkiErg. i.e. - My warmup 2K row this morning was only 5 seconds off my PR from a year ago.
I find it is highly intuitive. Really not that tricky. 8-minute instructional video? A bit overkill. Excellent machine. The most underrated machine on the market, no doubt. You do this, and rowing, you're exercising EVERY muscle in your body. So complete.
Not really. It can take several years for young skiers to learn how to technically correct double poling. 8 mins can only cover some of the main points. They've done all sorts of academic studies in Scandinavia looking at biomechanics and muscle activation patterns. People have done phd's on the subject. Much of it is counter-intuitive.
@@skipaddle To be a competitive skier, yes, I'll buy that. / To get a good workout on this machine...several years, or even hours, of learning., are not necessary. / As for academic studies ... their existence is hardly proof that the subject in question merits extensive study. One just needs to Pile it on Higher and Deeper: PhD :)
@@justinpeterson2105 I don't agree. I have had chronic back problems and I had to learn technique just to be able to do it without injuring myself. I think if you have respect for your body and want to keep healthy you will learn to do something correctly. The "I just want to be fit " argument is a canard I hear a lot from mastersr athletes...especially middle-aged men. The academic studies were a main contributor to the superior performance of Norwegian and Swedish skiers, and the results were passed down to normal fitness skiers. Good technique helps you avoid injury and get better, more efficient workouts. When I see videos of cross fitters on the ski erg I just want to cringe.
@@skipaddle Hmm. Perhaps if you've had chronic back problems you should just avoid machines that might hurt your back. But, hey, if you want to do extensive training on how to safely use a Ski Erg ... to each his own. I hope it works out for you.
@@skipaddle Some might say your attitude is a tad judgmental, doctrinaire and self-satisfied. It's a gym. If you want to judge and feel superior to other people because you "know better" ... stick to academia ; )
Great video. It seems like a lot of those in the CrossFit world are way off when it comes to SkiERG form and efficiency. You made a video a while back of common errors CrossFitters make rowing. Maybe you can make one for the SkiERG?
Oh hell, been doing it the wrong way all this time! Thanks so much! What muscles are we supposed to be activating when done properly as advised? Thanks again.
I bought an Oculus Quest 2 and have become addicted to the fitness apps, most recently Holofit! So much so that I’m purchasing a Concept2 rower and watched this to make sure I was making the right decision on which to buy first; apparently I’m buying both at the same time! 😂🤣😂 subscribed - love your videos …
I've had the rower for years and just got a Skierg. I think getting the rower first is absolutely the best choice, but I do find the Skierg to be extremely complementary to the rower.
Why did C2 lose the wrist straps and real XC pole grips? You should be able to relax your grip at the back of every stroke, rite? I always used a "half-ball" to stand on too.
If I have too high a stroke rate, am i at risk of not allowing my effort to flow through the fly wheel? I..e. are you pulling again before the wheel fully ticks over and wasting energy?
I use it for 10 minutes, I do an hours cardio using a different machine for 10 minutes at a time skierg / armbike/ crosstrainer etc, I find 10 minutes at a time stops boredom creeping in and gives variety to the workout while working all the body
I use 5 lb ankle weights on my wrists ...6000 meters in 30 minutes....I'm rehabbing a full thickness tear in rotator cuff that I didn't have surgery...i put it on 10
How does the 150lb short guy. - me Keep up with the 190lb muscular dudes during Met Con on this machine? They all seem to have a lot more muscle power and put their dampers up to 8 -10? I always seem to be behind and I know I have better cardio strength in my little engine so I think it is my technique? Am I just running an up hill battle?
@Dark Horse Rowing I have a groin tear and need to stop running for a while, would the ski erg be suitable to enable me to do some cardio whilst recovering or does it engage the groin a lot because of hip flexor usage?
Can’t figure out the pad, but this thing is awesome.This machine is whooping my butt, however that’s what I need it to do! It’s the reason for my purchase!
Do you have any tips for seated form? I have a stress fracture in my femur and am doing this seated, but am experiencing lower back pain. I don't have any issues when I can stand. Thanks!
I am getting an irritation spot at the base of both index fingers. I would appreciate any suggestions because i am trying to avoid blistering and so not using the machine as frequently as i would like to be using it.
Thanks for the video and all the other videos. I tried using my skierg like you show, which is more how an actual xcountry skier skis. I get a lot more pace by following the form that most crossfitters use. My hands finish down below my knees. It's not correct but it works best for me. Plus I'm only 5'6".
I would love a skierg to complement my rowing but with it measuring 86 in. high, it won’t fit in my basement home gym-and my wife will never agree to putting it in the living room.
Hey! I just got my Skierg last week and have been watching a variety of videos on proper technique. One question about where to stand...I saw one video by a female trainer based in NZ and she said to put your arms out and your fingertips should touch the machine. It looks like your recommendation would put me a bit farther back. Just curious about your thoughts on using the fingertip method?
How would this technique be effected for short distances & hiits like in crossfit or hyrox where you see everybody doing way deeper strokes down to like a bottom position of a deadlift?
Stroke Rate Now heres a thing...checked the seasons log, looks like I'm in the 34-36sr range! So, whats that all about? Although 'slow' I'm getting fairly OK times at that stroke rate?. 10k-40:38:8 @ 32, 6k-23:37.7- @ 34, 5k-19:43:3-@34, 2K-7:45.6-@35...its not until i'm doing the short stuff does it hit around the 49sr 500 1:43:3. I'm 76kg and 65yrs...could that be a 'feature'? Getting old and slow ha ha. Going try some 45s and see how it goes. Have the defib on stanyby.
Coaching point about force occurring early in stroke is excellent. I am signing up for Express. Looking forward to workouts, and opportunity to communicate on Facebook.
I secured mine to an outer wall in the garage, on top of a 7/16" carpet pad. Plus, I stand on top of the same pad. Am I losing any power due to the squish?
Found my concept 2 rower in the dumpster of my condo . Threw it in my truck and bought to my job figuring I can fix it . When I put it together there was absolutly nothing wrong with it . No talking anybody into buying anything .
If you watch Martin Sundby on the ski treadmill at about 56 secs in this video you can see proper techique... it's the same whether on roller skis, ski erg or snow. Unlike what you see from cross-fit videos where you see them straigtening out their arms and extending on recovery which is an anti-pattern, the angle at the elbow should stay the same throughout the stroke until the end when your hands come to your hips. The back never goes flat but stays in a neutral position. th-cam.com/video/3IWx60e-t84/w-d-xo.html.
Is standing the rower up on end like I’ve seen in some videos and using it like a ski erg even remotely like the actual Ski Erg? If I buy another exercise machine my wife will kill me. I mean look at the first iteration of the rower.
I reckon your arms are too bent throughout the movement, putting too much strain on Triceps which are a small muscle and nowhere nearly as strong as your lats. Your back has more leverage with a longer arm.
Why do people do annoying things like “we are going to get at it… jump right into it… yup… we will jump into it…” That is not entertaining - you almost lost me watching. I appreciate the excellent quality of information, but please do not waste time
As cross country ski years, my wife and I thought this was one of the best Skierg videos. Nice job. Thanks.
Great video, really helped 👍👍
Great, I just talked my wife into getting a concept 2 rower. Now I have to start over and get her convinced that we need one of these.
You’re the man bro just buy it
@@Kevinbrvo not married are Kev? :-)
@@davidlanders5126 even if I was
@@Kevinbrvo here's the thing Kevin, in a marriage the spouses are a team, a single unit. And so when it comes to potentially superfluous purchases, those things will generally be signed off by both parties concurrently. Thats why RG said he was going to go away and communicate the benefits of the Skierg to his wife, because a) they'll both be using it and b) chances are the money will come out of the joint account. Youre about to be very unlucky in love with your current attitude.
@@angusmarch1066 100% agree. It’s a partnership. My partner and I run any big purchases by each other. I’m always happy when they can get something nice for themselves and vice versa. When you are in a partnership you share everything, including finances. It’s not a matter of “I wear the pants so I’ll just do it” - you need to be in harmony/unison together.
Super helpful as I just used this machine for first time . The staff at gym had no idea how to use. So far I’m liking it.
The SkiErg is a wonderful teaching tool. We can work with our skiers and make corrections on poling properly for Nordic skiing. This is one of the very best aerobic tools. We love them.
Advice from a skier... use hand straps. When you are double poling on snow releasing your hands from the handle helps relax your shoulders. Without the straps a skier would have to overgrip the ski handle. On the poling phase hands don't go past the hips, and you let to of the handle, so the straps keep the poles attached to your hands. Top marathon skiers in Europe do classic races like the Vasaloppet (90km) using skis without grip wax and use double poling only. I'd watch a video of one them training on the erg to get an idea of the body position and tempo.
I find that since the ski erg workout is more of a core, lats and triceps workout it complements the rowing erg which is more of a lower body workout. So you can actually do a hybrid workout where you do some intervals on the rowing erg and you have a full body endurance workout.
I started doing the SkiErg about eight months ago because of a hamstring injury that kept me from running. I have to say that it depends on your goal as to the proper technique. For example, if I am going for an all out 1000 m attempt to beat my PR I am going to use the full stroke top to bottom and therefore incorporating deep squats. Today I did 1000 m in 3 minutes and 41 seconds, I can’t imagine doing that without squatting in the downward motion.
And when I do 250 m intervals with a 90 second rest I actually jump at the top in order to get an even downward pull that I know I couldn’t get the way you just described. Again, whenever I use the SkiErg I’m always red lining, I’m going all out.
I like your videos and I appreciate what you’re doing, and next time I’m going to actually see how fast I can do 1000 meters in the upright position.
Why do you think it's so much easier for me to redline and just workout to exhaustion with this compared to a treadmill or row machine ? Do these and put my phone timer on 1 minute and I do multiple sets and I'm dripping sweat. I actually am thinking about buying this machine as basically my first home gym machine haha I LOVE the one at my lifetime gym !
My doctor told me to lay off rowing for a month or so, and I am going bananas.
Fortunately my gym has a ski erg as well, so thanks for the video! Very informative and clear
And how did it went?
Just got a Ski Erg so I appreciate you sharing the knowledge Shane!
Hey there :) do you have a rower? Looking at that as well! I’d so, how do you like it.
Thank you from Korea!
Thank you!
too much talking, did not learn anything on how to use machine
Fr... So frustrating
I start skierg before a week, recording my position on youtube. your videos are really helpful to me!
great helpful tutorial love it
Shane, you talk about SR being in the 40-65 range & low 30 being abnormally low. I'm putting in about 10K a day on the SkiErg & found (for me) that my best times come from a lower, stronger pull rate. That's just my experience.
Thanks for your videos, bc you've completely changed how I row & made me much more efficient on the rower & SkiErg. i.e. - My warmup 2K row this morning was only 5 seconds off my PR from a year ago.
Nordic skiers also recommend 30 stroke rate for force training and 60 for cardio.
I just got my Ski-erg and am happy to now know a little about what you know!! Thanx for this video DH 💪🏻👈🏻
I find it is highly intuitive. Really not that tricky.
8-minute instructional video? A bit overkill.
Excellent machine. The most underrated machine on the market, no doubt.
You do this, and rowing, you're exercising EVERY muscle in your body. So complete.
Not really. It can take several years for young skiers to learn how to technically correct double poling. 8 mins can only cover some of the main points. They've done all sorts of academic studies in Scandinavia looking at biomechanics and muscle activation patterns. People have done phd's on the subject. Much of it is counter-intuitive.
@@skipaddle To be a competitive skier, yes, I'll buy that. / To get a good workout on this machine...several years, or even hours, of learning., are not necessary. / As for academic studies ... their existence is hardly proof that the subject in question merits extensive study. One just needs to Pile it on Higher and Deeper: PhD :)
@@justinpeterson2105 I don't agree. I have had chronic back problems and I had to learn technique just to be able to do it without injuring myself. I think if you have respect for your body and want to keep healthy you will learn to do something correctly. The "I just want to be fit " argument is a canard I hear a lot from mastersr athletes...especially middle-aged men. The academic studies were a main contributor to the superior performance of Norwegian and Swedish skiers, and the results were passed down to normal fitness skiers. Good technique helps you avoid injury and get better, more efficient workouts. When I see videos of cross fitters on the ski erg I just want to cringe.
@@skipaddle Hmm. Perhaps if you've had chronic back problems you should just avoid machines that might hurt your back. But, hey, if you want to do extensive training on how to safely use a Ski Erg ... to each his own. I hope it works out for you.
@@skipaddle Some might say your attitude is a tad judgmental, doctrinaire and self-satisfied. It's a gym. If you want to judge and feel superior to other people because you "know better" ... stick to academia ; )
Great video. It seems like a lot of those in the CrossFit world are way off when it comes to SkiERG form and efficiency. You made a video a while back of common errors CrossFitters make rowing. Maybe you can make one for the SkiERG?
Oh hell, been doing it the wrong way all this time! Thanks so much! What muscles are we supposed to be activating when done properly as advised? Thanks again.
Just ordered one. Want to get into a boot camp style workout with something I can just step into and go. Looking forward to it.
I bought an Oculus Quest 2 and have become addicted to the fitness apps, most recently Holofit! So much so that I’m purchasing a Concept2 rower and watched this to make sure I was making the right decision on which to buy first; apparently I’m buying both at the same time! 😂🤣😂 subscribed - love your videos …
I've had the rower for years and just got a Skierg. I think getting the rower first is absolutely the best choice, but I do find the Skierg to be extremely complementary to the rower.
Good video. Love the beach ball comparison because it is so easy to understand.
Hi Shane! Just showing a co worker the skierg, your excellent tutorial and stale dry humor. 😁
Hope you are well bro
This helped reduce my split time by at least 15 points.
Why did C2 lose the wrist straps and real XC pole grips? You should be able to relax your grip at the back of every stroke, rite? I always used a "half-ball" to stand on too.
If I have too high a stroke rate, am i at risk of not allowing my effort to flow through the fly wheel? I..e. are you pulling again before the wheel fully ticks over and wasting energy?
agree well explained
If used in a general gym workout , how long time wise is normal on this ? Ten minutes ?
I do 2000 meters. 3000 m if I'm feeling it. 10-15 min.
I use it for 10 minutes, I do an hours cardio using a different machine for 10 minutes at a time skierg / armbike/ crosstrainer etc, I find 10 minutes at a time stops boredom creeping in and gives variety to the workout while working all the body
Thanks at the gym watching your video💙
I use 5 lb ankle weights on my wrists ...6000 meters in 30 minutes....I'm rehabbing a full thickness tear in rotator cuff that I didn't have surgery...i put it on 10
Lol. Hmmm yanks 😂love them talk talk , do it please loved working with them
I think you're saying thank you in British. Am I right?
How does the 150lb short guy. - me Keep up with the 190lb muscular dudes during Met Con on this machine? They all seem to have a lot more muscle power and put their dampers up to 8 -10? I always seem to be behind and I know I have better cardio strength in my little engine so I think it is my technique? Am I just running an up hill battle?
Help. Lol
Any advice for a person with a small stature?
I'm 5'1". What do you recommend for proper movement? It just feels like and looks like my movement is different than my taller friends.
Do you have a video that does a demo for the vertically challenged. LOL!!!
Hahaha Shane your such a card. Showing a coworker the skierg and saw DH so I'm visiting.
Take care bro
Thank you!
Dude, great video! I just bought one of these and I am not sure how to use it. Thanks for the great tips!
At last someone that has a clue about using a ski-erg
@Dark Horse Rowing I have a groin tear and need to stop running for a while, would the ski erg be suitable to enable me to do some cardio whilst recovering or does it engage the groin a lot because of hip flexor usage?
I'm subscribed to DH Rowing...is there a way to quickly filter just the 'DH Skiing' parts? just a thought. Great stuff anyhoo.
Doh just found the SkiErg Playlists
Im training for sledge hochey. Its a paralympic sport. Is there a different strokes between standing or sitting?
Can’t figure out the pad, but this thing is awesome.This machine is whooping my butt, however that’s what I need it to do! It’s the reason for my purchase!
Do you have any tips for seated form? I have a stress fracture in my femur and am doing this seated, but am experiencing lower back pain. I don't have any issues when I can stand. Thanks!
If I'm exercising properly with the SkiErg, in what muscles should I feel it? What muscles am I working out?
I am getting an irritation spot at the base of both index fingers. I would appreciate any suggestions because i am trying to avoid blistering and so not using the machine as frequently as i would like to be using it.
Thanks for the video and all the other videos. I tried using my skierg like you show, which is more how an actual xcountry skier skis. I get a lot more pace by following the form that most crossfitters use. My hands finish down below my knees. It's not correct but it works best for me. Plus I'm only 5'6".
How should your row times compare to your ski times at the same distances ?
The better you get the closer they get. Honesty if you’re fit on both the difference shouldn’t be too great
Dark Horse Rowing 1:26 row/1:39 ski. Just been a year off and on with the ski erg
I would love a skierg to complement my rowing but with it measuring 86 in. high, it won’t fit in my basement home gym-and my wife will never agree to putting it in the living room.
Hey! I just got my Skierg last week and have been watching a variety of videos on proper technique. One question about where to stand...I saw one video by a female trainer based in NZ and she said to put your arms out and your fingertips should touch the machine. It looks like your recommendation would put me a bit farther back. Just curious about your thoughts on using the fingertip method?
Nice. Also would be great if you show us like 1 minute of how you do it, so we can see the whole body :)..
Can you just do the movement with free weights or resistance bands rather than buying another big piece of equipment?
How would this technique be effected for short distances & hiits like in crossfit or hyrox where you see everybody doing way deeper strokes down to like a bottom position of a deadlift?
Stroke Rate Now heres a thing...checked the seasons log, looks like I'm in the 34-36sr range! So, whats that all about?
Although 'slow' I'm getting fairly OK times at that stroke rate?.
10k-40:38:8 @ 32, 6k-23:37.7- @ 34, 5k-19:43:3-@34, 2K-7:45.6-@35...its not until i'm doing the short stuff does it hit around the 49sr 500 1:43:3.
I'm 76kg and 65yrs...could that be a 'feature'? Getting old and slow ha ha. Going try some 45s and see how it goes. Have the defib on stanyby.
Could you show an exercise for fat loss please?
Vincent Garcia fat loss is a calorie problem. You can’t outwork a calorie problem.
Great video. So many people do this wrong.
Coaching point about force occurring early in stroke is excellent. I am signing up for Express. Looking forward to workouts, and opportunity to communicate on Facebook.
I secured mine to an outer wall in the garage, on top of a 7/16" carpet pad. Plus, I stand on top of the same pad.
Am I losing any power due to the squish?
Is 15 minutes rowing enough?
Thanks for the video Shane, very informative
I use these as cross training for swimming 🦈
After years of convincing, I finally talked my wife into getting the concept 2 rower a month ago. How do I convince her to get the ski erg?
Grow some balls
Found my concept 2 rower in the dumpster of my condo . Threw it in my truck and bought to my job figuring I can fix it . When I put it together there was absolutly nothing wrong with it . No talking anybody into buying anything .
The crossfitters' skierg forms are so much different from what Shane is teaching.
정말 큰 도움이 됩니다! 감사합니다
Now I know, thank you
All I can think about is how the handles look like someone cut off shreks ears
HA! Great now I can’t unsee it either
@@DarkHorseRowing you're very welcome
All I see are the man's ears. Now I see the Shrek ears. Remember, there are no coincidences.
Oh my god. Thank you now that is all i will see too! 😆
Gah !!! I knew they reminded me of something !!!!
Posture and back in particular?
If you watch Martin Sundby on the ski treadmill at about 56 secs in this video you can see proper techique... it's the same whether on roller skis, ski erg or snow. Unlike what you see from cross-fit videos where you see them straigtening out their arms and extending on recovery which is an anti-pattern, the angle at the elbow should stay the same throughout the stroke until the end when your hands come to your hips. The back never goes flat but stays in a neutral position. th-cam.com/video/3IWx60e-t84/w-d-xo.html.
Is standing the rower up on end like I’ve seen in some videos and using it like a ski erg
even remotely like the actual Ski Erg? If I buy another exercise machine my wife will kill me.
I mean look at the first iteration of the rower.
Great video
Nordic Skiier approved. Why'd you have to bring poor Michael in to it again?! (hahhah)
Haha! Sorry about that but I’m happy I have the authenticity seal of approval
Hahahhahah
Best instruction video for this equipment. Looking forward to getting one.
Nice video (now you know)
Can you use one arm to achieve similar results?
I reckon your arms are too bent throughout the movement, putting too much strain on Triceps which are a small muscle and nowhere nearly as strong as your lats. Your back has more leverage with a longer arm.
I do alpine skiing and this thing looks anything but fun. Skiing is probably one of the best sports in the world, this is more like gym thingy. Pity
Why do people do annoying things like “we are going to get at it… jump right into it… yup… we will jump into it…” That is not entertaining - you almost lost me watching. I appreciate the excellent quality of information, but please do not waste time
LUL “Power Bottom”
You mean kinda like you're skiing....
Too much talking, not enough showing
ΟΞΩ!!!!
Bad presentation.
Get to the point.