The Current State of New ACE Medical - ArmA 3 is a Fustercluck
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ม.ค. 2020
- The video was the "haha"s, but here's the real truth. This update has been awful for milsim communites, modders, scenarios/mission makers and everyone in between.
The immediate, glaring issues is the lack of a slider to control the distance between "unconscious" and "cardiac arrest" damage despite their claims that this new system was more controllable, the ability to disable cardiac arrest as a system if not desired, and the balancing of armour and bullet damage, especially between the "unarmoured twigs" and "body armoured gods".
There's many more issues, like how you bleed with the speed of a fire hose, body armoured players can't be killed in a certain mode via anything but headshots, the deflections of rounds into arms and head, the Sum of Trauma bug where you wake up and immediately go back unconscious every time until someone else bandages you and more.
We are very aware that mods will not always be immediately compatible, and that's fine. But even vanilla is broken, and they've not given us the tools to fix it.
The most obvious solution is to simply have two versions of ACE, one with new med and one with old, much like TFAR and TFAR Beta. This one is clearly not ready for release. I love ACE, but I sure as hell wish they hadn't done this.
As a result lads, it's likely that until this is resolved the next ArmA fustercluck is going to be rather delayed. Might have to find old footage. Sorry.
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If you want to see some serious criticism of this update and less funny laughs, check the description. The settings used throughout this video varied wildly as we tested, but part of the main issue with the game is that no settings will actually fix our issues with the system.
Arma 3 unintentionally getting rocket jumping is one of the best cases of a bug becoming an unintentional feature.
I have only one request is to use this for more shenanigans one more time before they patch it out for it is comedy gold and the surface has only been lightly scraped.
Such as play leapfrog over a helicopter
The actual fuck, is everyone using LIBA plates? I mean, I'd accept Type 3 armor stopping 5 5.56 hits as it should, or Type 5 eating eight or ten, but jesus christ, what the fuck
Part of me wants to see an april fools style op with this scuffed arse med system.
Oh god, what happens with AAPM? It uses Cobalt ACE or something as a dependency, so it should escape, but AAPM runs really potent realistic armor sim. Do we have .50 LC/70 bouncing off of police 3A soft kevlar?
I was messing around with the mod the other day and I managed to put 49 50 cal rounds into some guys chest and then emptied an entire 9m mag into his head and only then did he die.
"and remember son, dying is gay"
Unexpected sfm meme
that's just how spartans used to raise their kids
American Boot
@@TheHawk2210 oh no
@@atari947 oh yes uwu
When we got the new medical system in our unit we had more casualties than normal, then we realize our medics were giving people heart attacks
The medics were more lethal than the actual bad guys.
I knew medics were scary, being able to morphine overdose people, but this is just amazing.
What’s terrifying is that we had actual certified medics being medics, and we lost so many to morphine overdoses
@@michaelmaryn5718
Casualty rate: 80%
Cause of most deaths: Morphine Overdose
Michael Maryn they knew what they were doing.
To be honest the amount of morphine the mod requires is absurd. It shouldn't need 5 sticks for two rounds to the arm. I've experienced morphine irl and it works wonderfully. Especially the dose and concentration a military medic carries. They also need to add a bleed over affect on old doses to new wounds. Just cause you get shot again doesn't mean the medicine stops working.
Reusable suicide bombers sounds interesting actually...
Well, that's a brand new sentence.
r/BrandNewSentence
eco-friendly bombers
Martyrdom ain’t got no sting if you won’t STAY DEAD!
Sounds kinda cheaty, like buying a used fleshlight from a guy with a nose so big it gives away his intention to sell that very same fleshlight to at least 5-10 other guys after you, and most likely have already sold it to a dozen dudes before you.
I can't believe they've added rocket jumping to arma
On one hand, it wouldn't be ARMA if mods didn't horrifically break for no good reason
On the other hand, having the majority of my unit slip into untreatable comas due to minor puncture wounds repeatedly through ops is not exactly ideal
Absolutely true. My group's battlegrounds have been repeatedly transformed in a carpet of sleeping bodies without no solution at all, and the medic shot after missions by his own unit due to inconpetence. Unfair but true
Zeus is not strong enough to kill an Australian man.
Basically, Rimmy is more powerful than a God.
NO MAN CAN KILL KENNETH!!!
Does no one remember the Australians have Australium coursing through their veins? Saxton Hale is Rimmy's cousin.
@@EMan-1920 No Rimmy probably come from New Zealand, like the sniper. Seeing how he doesn't have any facial hair and isn't super buffed
@@Sir_Bucket About that facial hair....
Arma ACE: ACE is broken
Roblox version of ACE: Perfectly fine
There’s a roblox ACE?
@@ThePlatinumsquirrel Yes, and it seems it's currently somehow more realistic that the Arma ACE.
@@pnote0956link?
The one I'm aware of is a built-in medical system that comes with the ACS gun framework. It has all the shit ACE has in a bit more of a simpler system, yet it handles gunshot wounds and damages more accurately then ACE Medical does.
@American Crusader What
"call your hits bro"
*stares in speedsoft*
*Stares in 50rps DSG*
NuttedBread Have fun mag dumping once while your gearbox explodes 🤣
I love how people assume 50rps DSGs are normal when most people don’t escape 35rps because their locals don’t even allow that 😂
I've noticed that as medical has been pretty fucky
I know right? Just had an operation yesterday and eveyone died due to the fact that the amount of blood that was lost per shot was massive in proportion to each wound, so seeing this is just fucky.
@@michaelmaryn5718 not to mention it crashes every scenario i try to do
Michael Maryn Depends on the caliber. My unit usually deals with 7.92 or 30-.06 as our ailment to existance. Usually takes us a minute or two to bleed out when hit in the vitals and left untreated, which is realistic. I find it odd they did not add modifiers for people who want a more “gamey” version of it as theyve always done
Milsim Communities: "You think this is funny?"
ACE Developers: "In a cosmic sort of way, yes."
MC: "Well Mr. Funnyman, is this how you get your sick kicks?"
AD: "What, it's just an ordinary medical- OH MY GOODNESS!"
SQUIDWARD!!!
Who would win?
Highly armored trained military personel with heavy plates in the rig?
Or
One padded boi.
>playing 40k milsim
>Decides to execute guardsman for the lulz
>He doesn't die
>Whips out the krak nades
*Where's your emperor **_now_*
Can't kill him with Krak, he's too powerful.
@@VynalDerp Chaos has taken this world over! We must send *two* exterminatus to kill everything that live on it.
@@Sir_Bucket
Guardsman: *pats clothes from dust* "Well, that tickles."
*Kills self with krak grenade while guardsman still doesn't die*
@@mannofdober873 When his faith is literally his shield... and it fucking works! *The Emperor Protects!*
My group has run into similar issues, we're gonna try our hardest to tweak the settings into something that works. In the worst case scenario we're just going to revert to the previous version of ACE from their Github and wait until they sort their shit out before using the new version.
Lord Trollington same situation with our group
Try it without any compats
Edit: I've been using it, and I've only came across 1 issue: you can't use morphine. Otherwise, good update. Might be a MP issue.
Gotta love the M7290 tho
@@JoMiMi_h The new system is borked on the base level, compats or no compats
Exact same situation for us. And yes, it's not just the compats. The base system is buggered.
@@RimmyDownunder If you happen to find a fix for these issues that doesn't involve reverting to the previous ACE version, it would be greatly appreciated if you gave us an update.
Ok... Now this is a really confusing situation for our group, because, here's the thing - ours is working completely fine, *none* of this is happening, at all.
Headshots = instant death.
Grenades/explosives are far more terrifying than they once were, they're quite lethal.
And the body armour hasn't made anyone even slightly immune.
I initially thought it might be because we use modded equipment, but then I'm seeing a lot of other people saying the same things happening and I doubt that many people aren't using RHS or something similar (we're using MLO in combination with RHS rn, completely fine).
I am... SO fucking confused.
Ditto, its sling shotting through the extremes right now. Our issue was that we could not hope to give anyone enough blood to save them for whatever reason.
As in, you can tap someone to death with 5.56 in five hits or so? Well shit, you had a lucky roll
It's like the gods are just randomly tossing functionality at a handful of groups.
Rimmys a fucking idiot and only tried it on a bugged mission. Like a twat
@@DieingDonut And yet community experianced the same issues he has been
As a medic for a small unit, I was initially excited for the new system. I was excited in my preliminary testing, too, because of the new pain mechanics and implementation of splints to base ACE. Now that it's been combat tested, I can confidently say that the new system is complete garbage, and turns AI with any tiny bit of armor on into what are basically zombies that can only die from shots to the head. Something also seems to have happened to the AI themselves where they mysteriously go from "Complete Dogshit" to "Navy SEAL Elite Sniper" after 1-3 missed shots.
Basically, AI in missions are fucking unkillable and players tend to die instantly for some reason. I want my AED back.
Wow what a gem from the past
Some other problems:
1. At shooting bots in the head often results in their helmet disappearing and them taking no damage
2. Without a pak wound effects are permanent. Getting shot in the arm means aim is shit until you die
3. Regardless of settings people get one tapped
4. Body armor is apparently RNG and not location based
5. You have to wait several minutes for bots to BLEED OUT before they actually die
Do you ever wonder if the makers of ACE play arma?
To be fair. Rimmy, I've had trouble killing people with Zeus Lightning before the update.
But I had the ace resistance way up to keep people from dying too much.
Man, COPPA hit ARMA hard
I tried ACE for the first time not knowing about ACE medical a few weeks ago.
I shot a man wearing a carrier harness directly in the chest with an anti material rifle.
This still happens in 2021.
@Wujo Stock Arma 3, ACE + bCombat, using Dagger's ammo, and everything else except ACE minus bCombat and minus Dagger ammo don't even do proper hit detection. They either don't do head hit detection right and/or you end up with instant fatalities from rapid fire to a leg. Now, I'm not an expert on older ACE, though, so older ACE might not be as buggy, but current ACE now seems pretty good. Sometimes on, like, Warlords SP after a while or with certain mods ACE medical just turns off and reverts to something else or you become invincible, though, but I have a lot of mods. The biggest annoyance with ACE is that faster bandages no longer works, so I speed the game up, hit H, and then do them.
We played with the new medical system yesterday (saturday) in our group and it was a hellish experience. Especially when it now turns out RHS armor values are buggered apparently and we went down from 1 or 2 hits while the AI just tanked like crazy.
The funniest part is that currently morphine is absolutely useless because it won't remove any pain if there are any open wounds on you. And then the setting to remove those if you bandage is broken in turn. So all you really want is a truckload of epi instead.
The med settings are complete wack, I’ve had the respawn system stop working and people had to relog to fix it. I hope this gets fixed/reverted soon
So you are telling me that untill the issue is solved, ARMA players with this mod on a heavy armor can just waltz in ala RussianBadger (Yes i am thinking of "Resistance is futile,you cowards won´t stop me) and be a literal human tank?
Unless they get shot in the head.
This Update was brought to you by *The Glorious Soviet Union Medical System*
This is the most realistic recreation of How the Soviets was and still better than a German Panzerkampfwagen Tiger Ausf. B with their Superior Human body of withstanding the Might of the Third Reich invading the Motherland.
Oh dear god, why do we have RIMMY as a MEDIC?
At least he's a better medic than Sovietwomble
ARMA Op player: 'Ace is the best system for realistic version of damage in ARMA!
Ace's current version:
I mean previous versions you could survive getting hit with tank round in the chest. this is nothing new.
@@ThePyroRussian to be fair, that means you likely had uncon on lethal damage on. If you didnt, then yeah thats just arma
"the only thing you can damage in Russian man is his hearing"
Me, being a Russian man, with perfect health but empty wallet, because all my money has been stolen by gov-t
Looks like Rimmy is a cat, he has nine lives
Dude I cant even play arma because of ace
I get an ace_medical_menu.pbo outdated error
Anyone know how to fix
Fundraiser stream idea to help with the Forrest fires ah Rimmy?
There's a mod that has the old medical version, check it out on the workshop - It's called ACE Realistic Combat Edit
The ace devs are like “alright we’ve thrown all logic out the window and you are now made of pure steel”
His utterly dead voice when saying “God is great.”
Rimmy may be unkillable but that’s little comfort when he’s dead inside.
Many times I've ended up unconcious in ACE and friend medic tries _everything_ to wake me up with no success. If you end up unconcious, just respawn asap.
Well, I actually needed this video. I was wondering why M995 ACE wasn’t penning Special Carrier Rigs
Salluci Yeah thanks! I came from Escape from Tarkov so I thought M995 was the be all end all
I was curious on where can i apply to be on this server because I've been interested in doing operations as its something i haven't really done besides combat patrols with mates
This is the earliest I've been... Super soldier Arma seems cool... Imagine a second D-Day. Modern day. This broken mod.
And they left the scuba suit invincible to the user
My group actually had an issue with people dying with small caliber hits to the chest. Dunno why it’s people aren’t dying for you.
We did have that issue at the start. We've played with the settings a lot. One big issue is that if you aren't wearing armour, even with our settings, small caliber will through you right into cardiac arrest
The new Ace medical is absolute garbage and needs to be fixed ASAP
XXth ended up building a custom repo to fix it steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1960252423
*THERE'S A CIVILLIAN,WE GOT A RUNNER!*
How do you go to the examine and treatment menu?
Yep, no issues here. None at all.
Has it been fixed since? I've been using ACE3 Medical for the last month, seems ok to me.
in some ways certain mods are still broken like AAPM which was my favorite body armor mod.
Lmao no, place down a hatchback stationary, hit it with a Titan AT missile. The person inside won't even get a scratch.
Hey Rimmy. I was thinking of getting in to 40k. What game should I start with.
Are you using the Arsenal sorta thing in showcase missions?
One of the player was meant to be immortal as what this mod described :\
So, I'm the head medic in my semi-milsim unit, and the last op we did (without changing the settings) we had extensive casualties to the point I actually couldn't do much. People just actually die way too quickly with basic settings. I and a squadmate were crossing a small area where the enemy could get eyes on us, and one of them had a shotgun with slugs loaded... from ~50 meters away. One shot to my squadmates' arm immediately killed him. It didn't send him into cardiac arrest, didn't knock him unconscious, it just immediately killed him. The new update kinda just made things a whole lot less fun, and I feel like it's going to discourage people from playing a medical role in the future if it stays like that, especially because a vast majority of people just don't have the time to go through a full medical course like that, and with how buggy Arma is, it makes everything feel like it's a major step in the wrong direction. I enjoy the fracture system, don't get me wrong, but everything else just feels... really scuffed... including the bandaging speeds. It makes medics look like sonic the hedgehog at points.
This is one good way to lose a major community...
Behold three immortals trying to kill each other
1:21 is really just a r/Imsorryjon
The odd thing is the server I play in the new medical system is actually super unforgiving. One tiny shot to the arm with the most powerful armor and you are unconscious, going into cardiac arrest, having a heart attack, then dying.
We had the same thing when it came out but now we got roughly good medical settings we like to use for our missions that we plan to use, tested it out for a few days and with any chest rig or helmet we got it to be more slightly like the prevision of ace and we disable fractures as well but yeah we did not have these problems
WW3 is not the same without Germany.
I love thickness!!!
finally some Russian space acknowledgement
Just got to fiddle with the settings
We literally just had an OP in my Unit where as a medic i couldn't stitch or splint anyone, it was actual pain.
William Beavis Using an old mission or old player state. Causes the system to wig out and reset. No medic, no splintb
Last time I was this early, Kenneth didn't have PTSD.
Kenneth gets drafted and sent to Iran
Well, not Kenneth has PTRD...
Kenneth doesn't have PTSD PTSD has Kenneth.
how can i find the old version of the ace medical :C ?
Damn it! I just got off shift at the airsoft field and have to come home to more lack of hit calling!
For it to work properly you need to set "Fatal damage source" to "Either" and maybe consider diminishing the "Player critical damage threshold" value to somewhere near to one.
By doing so, hits to the head will almost always kill, except for some exceptionally rare cases, limbs shots will never kill and shots to the torso will function properly.
old Ace medical: MAN DOWN!!
New Ace Medical: haha! Satchel charge goes *BOING!*
I feel this update has had ripple effects since Rimmy have not played much Arma since this.
Thanks for making a video about this because from responses I've seen the ACE devs have been assholes to everyone
0:19 that danielfromsl reference lol
I know for our last op our group just decided to have a dedicated zues revive players who were all medied up. It's rediculous, although I do know older versions of ACE are currently on the workshop.
Ironic that Ace attempts to add a level of realism to the game - when in reality it often makes gameplay generally quite laughable and frequently breaks the game. Welcome to the Arma3 medical simulator. Most of the major milsim groups only use a very basic feature set from Ace for this very reason. Ace really needs a major overhaul - it has some nice features but it has become far too invasive and top heavy in general. On a constructive note - if I had one request it would be that the ridiculously time consuming feature config process is simplified to allow for one click deactivation without having to wade through pages and pages of feature specific settings only to find certain parts are still active. Removing entire pbo's is not an acceptable solution or work around.
It's not that bad now.
@@Reticuli It's still pretty bad for me. With an ai critical damage threshold of .5, I'm still having to shoot the AI 7-10 times. I'll go look at the corpses after and either find tons of blue damage, or very serious damage (3-5 medium to high velocity wounds) that they didn't die from until I shot them again. RHS insists that their vests are perfect and super-accurate and ACE still insists that they don't consider the medical system broken, so it's quite frustrating.
as a medic in another arma unit i have been playing with ace for 2 years now. When my friends and I tested the mod I can say I have never had any problems like this; then again, we setup the ace medical settings the way we wanted it to be and we were not using mods. People also need to remember that compats will need to be made before the new ace update can really be utilized.
I’ve got the greatest pickup line for Australian women for you Rimmy, “you’re smoking hot”
Edit: oh I shouldn’t have said that
god damn man.
Little late to the party but has anybody else experienced a glitch where you just won’t wake back up from unconscious? To give context I was playing overthrow with a couple of my friends and one of the got knocked unconscious. After treating him and getting all vitals to normal I gave epinephrine and he just didn’t wake back up. Is there now a specific medicine for this or is it a real glitch
Trying giving morphine as well. People were noting that you wouldnt see they were in pain until they woke up but the pain could be keeping them asleep. Overall not fun
ive spent hours just trying to update it cause the update for ACE is not in steam keep getting Medical PBO is outdated and shuts down my game read the installation and everything for hours cant figure it out frustrating
That error is now fixed.
As it turns out, ACE is actually a program for secretely turning the players in tiny Space Marines, with two hearts, three lungs, and make then nearly bulletproof.
The recent update has been.... interesting to say the least. My unit has had to resort to our medics using base vanilla PAK's because it's the only thing that reliably works. Either that or the Zeus just Zeus heals the slightly injured
Because our armor is OP by vanilla standards, most wounds only barely injure us, but enough to make us limp around, with no way for ace medical to see the damage.
I hope the ACE team gets their heads out quickly and fixes this, it's causing ALOT of issues across the Arma community, especially since it's arguably one of the most used mods in Arma.
In regards to your next vid Rimmy, we can wait.
0:25 Rimmy's new armor plate equipping bullets or APE rounds
I'm experiencing a glitch where I don't take damage. I know I'm hurt because my weapon sways all over the place making it impossible to aim, but ACE medical shows no injuries. Enemies can't dump magazines into point blank and I just stand there (supposedly) unharmed. This RUINS co-operative play. Any suggestions?
hold the fuck on, i remember seeing this video on the day it came out and i refuse to belive its been 2 years
I had no idea that ACE could break EVEN MORE than it is capable of.
Dabbing before he shoots, savage
mate, i feel you with the new ACE-medical... our 10-player antistasi is a hell with this... i hope they fix it, before we start our vietnam-campaign in a couple of weeks :-/
What happened to rockmania and kenneth
Not to mention that pain literally just doesnt go away.
Hi rimmy, I’ve heard about the wildfires, I hope you and family are okay
In my arma 3 group im a medic. This system isn't hard, but the new update makes it harder to revive and save people because how fast they bleed out! You use CPR to keep the person alive as it extens the time until they die but its almost impossible to do that when they bleed out to fast.
Not to mention when others who are not medics try to help a fallen buddy with morphine. That doesn't help! Help by bandaging the wounds, if you got a tourniquet put it on the part that's bleeding then start bandaging the wounds.
Holy shit 581 likes (plus me) and 0 dislikes never seen that good for you rimmy
Me and some buddies ran an op with new ACE. We had the exact opposite issue, even with high-level armor we were getting 1-hit killed by pistols.
2 years later and this update still has consequences. The default settings still don't resemble anything close to reality and the config menu is anything but complete. The tedium slows the pace down too much for casual groups that once enjoyed basic ACE medical without affecting the experience of groups who preferred advanced mode, and the lack of reliability continues to frustrate people who are learning & defeats the entire purpose of trying to make this thing anywhere close to authentic for people who do care about that. The whole thing may as well be based on random chance if the point is "war sucks and people die."
In your experience, are you having a hard time killing enemies as the video made it out to be ?
For me personally, I have to dump 3-5+ 30 round mags of 5.56 to kill 1 enemy from Alive to Uncon to Death modded or not
@@KH19082 When the update first came out, yeah. By the time I made this comment, no. What I did with ACE for my server was go into the addon options for medical, set the enemy critical damage threshold (basically their health) to anywhere between 0.1 and 0.4, depending on mod, and now I've got enemies dying in 1-2 hits again. This stems from an issue in Arma of AI having more health than players, about twice as much. 0.5 would reduce their health to half, or equal to players. 0.4 is a little less. 0.1 would probably be good if you're using RHS and the enemies have those big level 4-5 vests.
I also found a mod called ACE Armor Adjuster, which is still up to date and can be configured to your heart's content. Now helmets actually can save you, and higher level vests can really block bullets of lower calibers, but exposed limbs are still very much vulnerable. I've been using the AK-74 and M16 in CUP and everything is completely fine.
It just takes some time in the config to get it to where you like it.
@@KH19082 And if you are playing with RHS I would consider the Armor Adjuster mod to be crucial. You can change the AI's armor, even separately from yours if you notice any issues with consistency. It all works in realtime, so no need to restart the mission to test changes.
@@neattricks7678 I see, I saw a video from viper (I don’t remember his full name at the time of writing) suggesting ACE but extremely based and it solves my problem by 2/3 but now I know what to tune thanks
About your Ace armor mod suggestion, I am using both CUP and RHS but I don’t think I’ll be using RHS’s infantry units. I use CUP for their weapons, infantry, gear, and aircraft because of how possible I can mostly copy military standards of 2019 (mainly American and Russian) and how customizable aircraft are (mainly helicopters). RHS are mainly used for their U.S. Vehicles (vehicles from other factions will be looking into) because there’s trucks that CUP doesn’t have and found out recently that CUP’s American MRAPs are actually Australian MRAPs according to friends with U.S. Army and Marine Corp background
Thank You for the suggestions though (EDIT: I'm taking that back my friends decided to more mods than the ones I provided)
Thankfully the community i play with has its own version of ace so we can decide when to update.
I don’t know what it’s not working with, but the new ace update doesn’t even let me play anymore
5:30 as an airsoft player, I appreciate this scene.
The new ragdolls are nice.
I feel the lightning scene just proves that Rimmy is the God-Emperor.
I didnt think Aperture sciences testing could get any more violent. Boy was I wrong.
Ah, I was already wondering why I had to empty my entire magazine into someone's chest just to knock them out
Thank you Rimmy, very cool
It works fine with just vanilla settings but then again I was playing SP
Been spending straight days trying to work this damn update out with my medics. We've got it down to some settings that work and did an OP with an "acceptable" amount of bugs.
There's a lot of really neat stuff in the new update, but it's like these people have never heard of testing or "asking people what they want"...
@D Griffin It's almost like they have spent years working on it and have had it testing in other communities and people have been begging them to release it so they did. Wow.
The soviet smock is so broken. From Sunday's impromptu being through the first objective and realising everyone is immortal
Interesting how the developers haven't been online on steam since they released the update.
That wasn't the largest Rifle in the game, the largest cal rifle is the subsonic suppresed gun(forgot the name), it uses 14.5mm I think
And there is always the moded guns that are huge
In my unit everyone bleeds to death within 30 seconds of being shot
from what i've heard from mod makers it can be fixed but i aint no scripter, if anyone knows how to fix this (ik theres a mod with the old medical and current sys but i wanna see) please tell me, ty
now you know how a space marine feels