Sherman Hill & The Union Pacific Big Boy
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This video narrates the difficult challenges the Union Pacific Railroad faced with steep grades such as Sherman Hill and the Wasatch Mountains, and in the end their ultimate solution to the problem. Which was the Big Boy!
They are many, many rare photo's and illustrations found throughout the video of not just Big Boy, but other relevant Union Pacific locomotives and buildings. Three times more than any of my previous videos. Please enjoy. Please enjoy this video of the Union Pacific and it's Big Boy locomotive.
Let's all be thankful that U.P. preserved some of their steam engines for future generations to enjoy.
More than a vast majority for sure.. And we aren't just talking about Mikes and Shays here :) Im actually a lot more disappointed the N & W didnt save more. Especially as enthusiastic as they were about steam.
I couldn't agree more
I think that UP's tag team philosophy on Sherman Hill caught up with them badly with the onset of the WWll traffic spike. Other roads had been running big articulated engines on grades for 15 years already. The Big Boy was UP's first engine to exceed the 100,000 lbs tractive effort threshold and they probably needed it badly to remain competitive. It"s a nice looking loco albeit it's excessively long and would have been easier to turn on the existing turntables with a 2 wheel front truck.
Yes for sure! U.P. did in fact have issues with turn-tabling Big Boys (too Big for existing platforms) And indeed they were not competitive in both Passenger and freight services until the Challenger came out.. And then the Big Boy for freight. Norfolk and Western IMO had the best, most competitive outfit going in all regards during the last decade of Steam. Although the Pennsy had it's own shops and such as well, their financial model was not good.
Sounds as though your jealous son of this magnificent loco. Far better men than you designed this incredible engine without computers. Stupid comment.
oooookay. Thanks for the comment Jim
The Big Boys were originally designed for, and mainly used on the Wahsatch grade eastbound out of Ogden during the war. They were not based in Cheyenne for the Sherman Hill grade during World War II. The UP had also been running large articulateds for decades when the Big Boys were delivered, but the earlier engines had included 2-8-8-0 compounds (which were too slow to maintain the speeds the railroad needed), and early Challengers, which went into service in 1936. The four wheel lead truck was incorporated into the design because it was thought to provide better stability and riding qualities at high speeds than a two wheel pilot truck was capable of. Every aspect of the Big Boy’s design was chosen for technical and operational reasons, not out of any concern for aesthetics.
Good video 👍👍👍
Thank you 👍
An unknown employee wrote big boy on the smoke box before they pulled him out the shop 👍👍👍
Yes, a shop employee named their new, HUGE locomotive :)
There's one on display at the railroad museum in Denver. They are massive. All that metal for about 6000hp. You know what 6000hp looks like today? It's a gas turbine that you can fit in a large cargo van. The contrast is mind blowing.
It's funny that you mention gas turbine in the sense that Union Pacific was the only railroad to ever try a gas turbine in a locomotive and it was extremely massive in it's own right. It was also terribly loud. To say the least it didnt work out for them!
@@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower you're right, she ended up spreading it to atleast 25 known crew members after many "trials"....over all a horrible situation when all is said and done. She spread the herpes so effectively she was a danger to us all really, which is why I believe she was sent up North to the lonely Canadian mongrels...they like to spank, so their herpe lip will easily be spotted
I have no idea what your referring to..But thanks for the comment
That 6000HP gas turbine will be missing one thing that one 6000HP Big Boy has got loads of and it's called TORQUE.
@@Triplex5014 Turbo electric drive. Same thing that makes diesel engines work. THe engine drives a generator instead of a direct mechanical connection. Electric motors can make massive torque at almost zero RPM just like steam engines. You would know that if you knew anything about locomotives.
Union Pacific actually had talks of building another 5 Big Boys but for one reason or another the plans fell through.
Largely, any further plans to build more Big Boys fell through because dieselization was a priority for a majority of the major railroads. Union Pacific included. Thanks for the comment! Love the Cardinals logo!
@@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower Thanks, been a Cardinals fan all my life, even as bad as they were last year. lol
Class organization..they'll be back unlike the Yellowstone.. LOL
Outstanding content 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Nice ❤❤
Thank you!!!
I thought this was a decent video. One comment though, the last name of the mechanical engineer who developed the compound steam engine is pronounced (mal-lay) like ballet with an m in front . He was born in southern Switzerland his family was of french lineage and french was the language he grew up with.
Thank you for the comment! I was indeed aware of the creators origin and pronunciation. The AI (text to speech)wash over does not recognize nuances like this. I am going to be discontinuing it's use for this reason, and also it simply takes too long to produce a video using it. it's not worth the better overall sound and flow of the voice.
@@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower I definitely was not fond of the AI voice. The annunciation and rhythm was way off as well as mispronunciation.
@@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPowercomputers are literal like that that. If you want the computer to pronounce words that have different pronunciation correctly then you have to write it phonetically.
Its not going to be an issue as I am no longer going to be washing over my typed narrations with AI. That, even though I sound like an under the weather Chris Collingsworth..LOL.. Seriously, it just takes too long to produce a video using it. And the accuracy issues at times are annoying to me too.
ahh RED OWL
I believe I understand your meaning.. to of which I say thank you
@@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower it is a complement
As such, I appreciate it!
There are a number of factual errors in the video. The Big Boys were originally designed to operate over the UP’s Wahsatch grade between Ogden, Utah and Green River, Wyoming, and not over Sherman Hill, which is west of Cheyenne and several hundred miles away. These locomotives operated primarily out of Ogden and Green River during World War II. It was only in the very late 1940’s/early 1950’s that they came into primary use on Sherman Hill. Also, the Chesapeake and Ohio 2-6-6-6 was not heavier than the 2nd batch of UP Big Boys which were delivered in 1944.
Was this video written by an AI bot?
The Wasatch run was mentioned toward the end of the video. All of my source material, some dating to 1953, does not show what your saying that ANY of the Big Boys were heavier than the Allegheny. I typed the scripting and the AI voice over translated (text to speech). Im no longer using it as it simply takes too long to hammer out a video. Thanks for the comment.
@@TheRailroadCrossing-SteamPower Using the specification tables published by each railroad (the C&O and the UP), the official weights of C&O road numbers 1600-1644 were less than the official weights second series of UP 4000 class locomotives. Everything else that has been printed about the weight of the Allegheny is speculation that contradicts the data maintained by the railroad that owned them.
@@turdferguson4124 Now this is what I like to see if someone refutes something that I say in a video. Something that I can go back and crosscheck against my source material. My book library of which I draw my scripts from stands at 42 publications. Many are from 1935 to 1970. My point is, im always going to take the information from authors who lived in the era over anything a individual says, or even digital sources like WIKI. Thank you for the reference... I really do appreciate it.
You would think somewhere in the archives of Lima locomotive Works, they would exactly know the weight of the Allegheny Locomotive?
@@OKFrax-ys2op Havent had a comment on this video in quite awhile... That will forever be in dispute to answer your statement. what I do know is that Lima lost a massive lawsuit over the weight versus the C & O.. And that essentially started the end of lima