Have to find the Marquette and Bessemer 2 on lake Erie now. I don't even live on that side of the world, but she's an interesting ship wreck, where ever it's lying.
I'm from Ludington where the ship set sail from and one of my relatives died working on that ship the day it sank I enjoyed learning about this ship and where it lays
Can't forget about Marquette & Bessemer No. 2, which I believe is the exact same design of Car Ferry as Pere Marquette 18 and 15. That ship went down a year earlier, in 1909.
I may be mistaken, but this seems not unlike the SS Washington, which met a similar fate not too far from this site, on the WI side. The surviving families of the crewmen got little to nothing in survivor benefits, after years of fighting the corporate owners. Also the captain got bonuses for each crossing, so he sailed even though the the weather was uncertain. When the rail cars broke loose, the ship was doomed.
Yeah, I wasn't impressed with that. TV seems to think this is how you keep people's interest--hardly. I've done this more years than I wish to remember. Tell the story, more video, let those guys talk. I've been interested in shipwrecks all my life, and this is one I've long wondered about. Congrats to them--I want to see more.
No sea gate astern.. this was an problem for the c&o for years.. we will never know, but high seas could easily roll into the rail deck... just saying..
The Milwaukee had a similar problem. The stern gate was damaged and yet the scuttles that were to be sealed on the rail deck were left open in the storm that took her.
Yes i heard they found a white roof wreckage an some other things but had no idea about her sinking point bevause she had no radio capability i believe it was none or had been removed..no telegraph either...????
I would love it if the news crews would actually let the people talk instead of turning the dialogue into an idiotic mad-libs with barely a full sentence together, and what sounds very much like taking words out of context.
May God bless the souls of those who perished in this shipwreck. Do not disturb the aquatic resting ground of these people. Designate it as a memorial.
@Flasher Trasher are you the lawyer for this news team? You sound like it. Maybe you should have done what I did. Google that station's broadcast to find out when it originally aired. (News flash, it was more than 2 decades after I saw the video I saw of the wreck). But then, if you had, you wouldn't have had an excuse to be uselessly argumentative.
@@danhillman4523 I just get tired of the need people in the 21st century have to be constantly contrary. They are contrary to the point it doesn't even matter if they are correct. Just as long as they get in a dissenting opinion.
I mean kind of, but someone could theoretically SCUBA that location, it would just be a fucking pain in the ass. You'd need decompression stops, and to switch gasses on the way down and up. But it is pretty crazy that we still don't know everywhere on earth.
I wonder what was in the rail cars? One that sank in '25 had some new Nash automobiles in the freight cars. , but that one was long discovered. Lake Michigan in a storm, can be WORSE than the Atlantic!
@@offplanetevent No, the vessel sank because there wasn't enough buoyant force from whatever air pockets it had to keep it afloat. I'm not making assumptions here. It's a physical fact.
Have to find the Marquette and Bessemer 2 on lake Erie now. I don't even live on that side of the world, but she's an interesting ship wreck, where ever it's lying.
I'm from Ludington where the ship set sail from and one of my relatives died working on that ship the day it sank I enjoyed learning about this ship and where it lays
Love the stories of the wrecks. Seems like at least 2 of these went down. The 18 & 15. First time I've seen a ship speared into the bottom like that.
Can't forget about Marquette & Bessemer No. 2, which I believe is the exact same design of Car Ferry as Pere Marquette 18 and 15. That ship went down a year earlier, in 1909.
@@GreenSigmaTH thanks! Was not too familiar with those two.
I may be mistaken, but this seems not unlike the SS Washington, which met a similar fate not too far from this site, on the WI side. The surviving families of the crewmen got little to nothing in survivor benefits, after years of fighting the corporate owners. Also the captain got bonuses for each crossing, so he sailed even though the the weather was uncertain. When the rail cars broke loose, the ship was doomed.
Obnoxious editing with all the voice cuts back and forth.
Exactly. The millennial getting 75k a yr to edit this was either bad at his job or is super lazy.
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Now Try To Find Marquette & Bessemer N0.2 In Lake Erie Im Sure Someone Know Were She Is At..
The murder ship!mutiny on Erie!
Probably covered over with silt.
Fire your editor. Garbage cuts back and forth ruined this.
shut up karen
What a TERRIBLE broadcast. Can't you let these guys finish a sentence without breaking in with a phrase for yourselves?
It's hard to listen to.
Yeah, I wasn't impressed with that. TV seems to think this is how you keep people's interest--hardly. I've done this more years than I wish to remember. Tell the story, more video, let those guys talk. I've been interested in shipwrecks all my life, and this is one I've long wondered about. Congrats to them--I want to see more.
Agreed, it's awful.
“What’s the problem wi [no] th interrup [we] ting the inter [can’t] viewee?”
Would have been better if the reporter told his part first and then the shipwreck hunters told their side. Not both of them telling it at once.
Fire your editor.
Yeah it was really annoying
Very amateur editing.
congratulations ken, to you n your partner. long time no see. please take care n stay safe. dave Lund, of mpls, mn
I hope you find lots more wonderful things. I would love to see you search for history in Lake Champlain !
13 on whose side? The editor’s?
Fascinating discovery. I’d love to see if they can locate the SS James Carruthers. She went down in Huron in the storm of ‘13.
Where is the link to that "additional seven minutes of viewing the wreck ? ? ?
No sea gate astern.. this was an problem for the c&o for years.. we will never know, but high seas could easily roll into the rail deck... just saying..
The Milwaukee had a similar problem.
The stern gate was damaged and yet the scuttles that were to be sealed on the rail deck were left open in the storm that took her.
Marqutte and bessemer no 2 had the same problem
Yes i heard they found a white roof wreckage an some other things but had no idea about her sinking point bevause she had no radio capability i believe it was none or had been removed..no telegraph either...????
Cool story but the worst editing ever.
You nailed that. Who thought that "edgy" audio cut was a good idea?
I came here to say just this! Absolutely awful editing.
I would love it if the news crews would actually let the people talk instead of turning the dialogue into an idiotic mad-libs with barely a full sentence together, and what sounds very much like taking words out of context.
EXCELLENT!
29 lives ? Like the Edmond Fitzgerald ? what's with the number 29 ?
Coincidence
29 railcars too
May God bless the souls of those who perished in this shipwreck. Do not disturb the aquatic resting ground of these people. Designate it as a memorial.
Except for the two dumb stowaways who kept the portholes open that caused the vessel to sink. 🙄
Not bad. But an ROV operator showed me a photograph of it on the bottom in 1997.
So maybe you're a little late.
@Flasher Trasher are you the lawyer for this news team?
You sound like it.
Maybe you should have done what I did. Google that station's broadcast to find out when it originally aired.
(News flash, it was more than 2 decades after I saw the video I saw of the wreck).
But then, if you had, you wouldn't have had an excuse to be uselessly argumentative.
@@joecombs7468 Wow Joe, that's so impressive. Well done!
@@danhillman4523 I just get tired of the need people in the 21st century have to be constantly contrary.
They are contrary to the point it doesn't even matter if they are correct. Just as long as they get in a dissenting opinion.
Cool.
Frickin’ zebra mussels 500’ down - that wreck would be pristine without them.
Interesting story.
The narration spliced in with the interview audio is annoying as hell.
Isn't it something when we send rovers to mars, but can't dive the lakes of our own planet?
I mean kind of, but someone could theoretically SCUBA that location, it would just be a fucking pain in the ass. You'd need decompression stops, and to switch gasses on the way down and up. But it is pretty crazy that we still don't know everywhere on earth.
Mars landing = CGI
What a crap US TV broken up broadcast....
“Everybody likes a fish in-sea”. I get it 😎
What's a matter, you can't report how they knew where to look? Tarot cards, divining rods, WAG, what?.👎
Why'd she sink? Oh I don't know perhaps the giant open stern - one of the worst engineering flaws ever!
Just like the Marquette & Bessemer#2 on Lake Erie...at least this one was found.
I wonder what was in the rail cars? One that sank in '25 had some new Nash automobiles in the freight cars.
, but that one was long discovered. Lake Michigan in a storm, can be WORSE than the Atlantic!
@@atomicwedgie8176 What was the cargo manifest of the Lake Erie ferry?
@@jackdale9831 Coal, $85,000.00 in the ship's safe, and some passengers.
@@jackdale9831 I believe it was carrying coal cars.
Awesome story (🙏), but i find the format to be rather like reading an itinerary.
29 people lost their lives on the Edmund Fitzgerald also.
And since it's Lake Superior, their bodies are still preserved down there.
Adventures With Purpose needs to go to Lake Michigan!
Gordon Lightfoot hardest hit.
Get the Bell !
Awful editing
It sank in November 1909, not 1910!
The news guy says " it plunged to the bottom " ....as opposed to floating to the bottom.
Well one does not float to the bottom. You sink, plummet or rapidly descend.
@@ardoronro6677 No, if the vessel has air pockets in it, it can float to the bottom...it's still somewhat buoyant.
@@offplanetevent No, the vessel sank because there wasn't enough buoyant force from whatever air pockets it had to keep it afloat. I'm not making assumptions here. It's a physical fact.
@@ardoronro6677 You obviously do not work in the oceanic salvage industry.
@@offplanetevent You don't know what industry I work or have not worked for, human. Also it's marine salvaging not oceanic.
Ok, I’ve seen different videos state it’s Lake Michigan they’re in and others say Lake Superior. They’re two different lakes, which is it? 😂
I SAY BRING THE BOAT UP AND BRING IT TO A MUSEUM HIT THE THUMBS UP
Ahh, how about no. It's a grave.
@@madmax2069 agreed let them rest in peace
Good idea! Let's use your money, though.
More to this than what these bozo team commentated
f u
coal RAILway-cars? Not interesting to me if that was the cargo, thanks
Another old rusty piece of junk on the lake floor 🤪