There's a netlfix doc called icarus about a guy who is a amateur cyclist who goes on a heavy course of steroids to see how much he can improve. It's really interesting
Topics for another joe and theo debate: Did humans land on the moon in 1969 or was it hoax? Illuminati, bohemian grove, reptiles etc Was 9/11 an inside job? Roswell incident (to continue with the alien topic of this video) If anyone likes these ideas and want to see joe and theo discuss these topics then click the like button.
Two great books related to this video. “The secret race” - talks about doping in cycling, Lance and the drug fest. “Endure” - talks about human endurance and is it a test of the body or test of the mind. Great books to read!
i think the word you were looking for was exponentially increase in the limit conversation, it'll increase but by a smaller and smaller margin every time. so for the 100m world record it could broken by like 0.2 seconds and then 0.1 after that etc
There was a great study on the mental side of sport and in the study it explained that when something is believed impossible then its less likely that the record will be broken. There was a record a while back that was believed to be scientifically impossible to beat without mechanical/medical assistance, the record was broken then the new record was broken instantly after. A lot of time its just down to mental blocks.
Jack C i fucking doubt it considering he’s in the USADA testing pool and he's never been popped for PED'S. Not everyone is on juice mate don’t preach shit on the internet.
Samwell Tarly You clearly don’t know much about the history of USADA and how recent it is, he hasn’t won a fight since 2016 UFC started using USADA I’m mid 2015 it doesn’t take a genius to do the maths and realise that a lot of people were cheating and getting away with it then.
The reason why when something has been done and then other people start doing it (e.g. 4 min mile) is because in sport belief changes everything. Literally
With football, the advantage someone one get from taking steroids isn’t as significant as someone who’s just doing one movement (E.g. sprinting, cycling). The things that make someone really good at football are more mental, spacial awareness, hand eye coordination, timings etc.
16:20 that’s due to the technology we have today, people used to run without shoes and obviously it’s completely different now and they have all the things to do and be better now
Think about it this way. In the 90s every single footballer was probably smashing the gear yet none of them were caught. Tony Adams, Gazza and Mersin all have huge problems with gear these days. Plus the testing levels probably haven’t changed
With drug testing of professional athletes, you have to give the national anti doping agency a detailed list of where you're expected to be throughout the day so that they can come to you and test you. Another thing is that you have to allocate a 1 hour slot in their day and a location so that the anti doping agency can come and test you
Rob that’s just naivety, you have to think that any physical advantage that these top athletes can get, they will take. Steroids may make a football player win a lot more duals in the air, steroids may enhance Feds chances of best at his best in the 5th set. There’s too much money in these sports for it to not be used, it is used, just hidden. Why do you think every football player who gets a big money move to Real Madrid is a huge, well built athlete within 6/7 months of their move. Look at Bale ffs. It happens.
GodPeen the Russians couldn’t beat most Americans, Chinese and British athletes at multiple olympics. And at the olympics it I so hard to get away with cheating, which is why Russia got caught. If everyone else cheated they would be caught
ZeeC the Russians were massively successful when population was factored in. As China and America have 20 and 3 times the population respectively. If you think non of the western athletes are cheating too then you are naive. It’s rife.
It says it all that out of the top 30 100m sprint times ever, 21 of them were run by people who have since been banned for taking drugs. The other 9 times were run by Bolt, he's just not been caught yet.
@@zac1672 Hard to get away with at the Olympics? Russia got away with it for years, the only reason they got caught was because of a whistleblower. If that person hadn't spoke out then Russia would have continued to get away with it.
Main difference in sports people in the last hundred years is time. There are professional athletes in all sports now. That train ALL. THE. TIME. Plus sports technology and dietary stuff.
A major sport I'm Australia called AFL, there was a player named Ben Cousins who was by far the best player in the sport. He won grand finals and best and fairest for his team and league best player but in the end it was found out that he was using cocaine and other drugs. So the use of normal drugs can improve performance because in Ben cousins situation he used it as a relief after smashing himself and pushing his limits during training and games. For more information look up Ben Cousins documentary and you'll be super informed with the situation. Basically he used cocaine and ice as a relief after training which ended up increasing him performance in the sport. So normal drugs can also have an effect like a performance enhancing drug 😊
15:58 this is actually a fantastic point, when you think about it from a biological perspective some of these records would most likely have required some form of "assistance"
I have an idea for both of you Why don’t you guys do a 100M sprint and both of you get a month to see who decreases their time more? So it’s not all about who wins but also who improves more Guys like this so they see it and encourage them to do it it’ll be a pretty good video or series
Testing in all sports needs to be boosted, if sports are going to say that they test they need to do it more and regularly when athletes are off season
Technology, diet, new training methods, change in how athletes live their lives out of competition there is loads of methods of why athletes are now getting quicker times and breaking records as well as the majority of them being on steroids and performance enhancing drugs
People need to realise steroids arent a super drug that megaboosts performance. It simply allows a rapid recovery and a minor boost on athletes who are already the 0.0000001% top tier genetically. Lance armstrong wouldve most likely still been the best cyclist of all time anyway, and tyson gay with steroids still couldnt beat bolt.
Max Landsborough it’s not a minor boost, steroids have innumerable advantages for sport. Apparently reflexes, fast twitch muscle fibres and other things are affected as well as just rapid recovery. A test group took steroids and gained on average 7lbs of muscle without even touching a weight.
I don't think athletes like bolt and Federer are on steroids, they are just genetically perfect for their sports. However.... Footballer when they are 'injured' after having the best of the best medical team around them is suspicious. They get injured far too much for it to be genuine. The thing with bolt is that he is bloody tall as well, his strides would be massive
Cyclists and long distance runners typically use ergogenic aids such as EPO doping, this effectively increases the presence of red blood cells in the body. As a result of this aerobic capacity is enhanced as more O2 can be delivered to working muscles, therefore cardiac performance of these muscles becomes significantly greater. Reducing the effects of Lactic acid on the muscle whilst also decreasing the athletes hearts bpm whilst performing. Essentially EPO = Run for bare long with out getting tired :)
Joe this isn’t hate I actually have the maddest respect for you, if this is true about athletes what about all the other amazing things we’ve achieved like comedians do they take drugs to make them funnier?
When going on about the female sprinters being huge monsters, they’re not that big up close however the reasons for this is, they’re different types of muscles fibres... basically when you do loads of explosive sprints you increase the amount of Type 2x or b muscle fibres that are the largest of the 3 types.... so being a sprinter and sprinting throughout your life will be the reason of the large muscle and why footballers are not normally that big as they don’t always sprint.
There was a video uploaded other week and have deleted since where you were looking sad and a few bad things had gone down, I hope you’re doing okay bro xxxx
What Joe said about the limit is true. But it's different for everyone, no matter how hard I train my whole life I might not be able to run 100m in less than 10 seconds, and someone else light be able to do 9:80 but if somebody just randomly runs 100m in less than 9 or 8 seconds then that's obviously something strange with that since nobody else has even been close to do it natural. Cause our body can only get so much muscles and so low body fat % without supplements. That's our limit
Personally I think a SEPERATE Olympics that allowed performance enhancing supplements would be amazing to watch...... Imagine, no regulation on supplements, pushing the human body to absolute PEAKKK performance. The records would be phenomenal.
I agree. It's not sexist to say that women aren't as physically athletic as men, it's a biological fact. It's a shame that he feels so pressured to only say things if they're deemed 'politically correct' and 'safe', instead of feeling the freedom to be able to speak his mind.
Effectively elite athletes are super human in a sense. They have the ability to do things that others can't, hence why they are classed as elite, is what i think Theo is trying to say and therefore limits will constantly be pushed as people will continue to be better
Those shoes have carbon fiber plate in the sole which provide springlike effects. So, he could use the energy that he would have lost on the ground impacts. That's why they are so controversial....
The thing that you are saying can flush out other drugs is called diuretics but this is also a performance enhancing drug because it can help with weight loss which will be beificial in like Horace racing or a sport like thang but it can also flush out other drugs.
I see what they both saying, but when you're that competetive and even tho you are leauges above every1 you're more likely to get on steroids, to see just how far you can go, how good you can get, so when you are the best natural in a super competetive sport you will go on to see how far you can push it, im 18 my goal is to be a professional BodyBuildier, im miles above every1 my age physique wise natural, yet in my head i want to see how far i can push it so ive started steroids, im currently on week 2
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If you put a comma in between steroids and cheats, you’ve got an interesting title
Instant 10 million views
James Smith exactly what i was thinking 🤣
That is fucking class
That's how i read it xD
James Smith that’s what I read it as
There's a netlfix doc called icarus about a guy who is a amateur cyclist who goes on a heavy course of steroids to see how much he can improve. It's really interesting
Thanks pal, might check it out
It's a film
Topics for another joe and theo debate:
Did humans land on the moon in 1969 or was it hoax?
Illuminati, bohemian grove, reptiles etc
Was 9/11 an inside job?
Roswell incident (to continue with the alien topic of this video)
If anyone likes these ideas and want to see joe and theo discuss these topics then click the like button.
Or maybe find some new topics that millions of people haven't already heard of...
George Croney yeah but i and many other people find it more interesting when they talk about it
stop copying and pasting this comment nobody gives a shit
Nice one
Existing user i do so stf
Nate Diaz wisely once said - “everybody’s on steroids”
shane sands and nick
Stfu
Nijo Joji nick didnt day that? Nate did wtf do u mean and nick
@@taylorkmevery1428 nick also stated that all the fighters are on steroids
Then tested positive lol
No one :
Joe: alright I know nothing about this- BUT HYPOTHETICALLY...
he was trying not to offend theo
Facts 😂😂😂
Theo at 16:42: "Roger Bannister broke the 4-hour mile"
Outstanding intelligence
SHOULDA PUT SHANNON BRIGGS IN THE THUMBNAIL 😂
@BLANKAR should've put jon jones on the thumbbail
How dare YOU he never used steroids (sarcasm)
Weekly episodes of these would be classssss
"Theres no limits?"
"No"
"Why can't I fly then mate?"
I’d love to see an olympics where people all take performance enhancing drugs. Just to see how far it could go 😂
JBC3468 Just watch the olympics then.
@@poolmaster18 exactly
Itd be exactly the same m8
It’s called the Olympics.
A bit like dog breeding
Theo will be saying Jon Jones is clean as a whistle
@jordan horne DC disliked this video
Shout Theo out as well in the title
Fuck off
@@baileyhawkins2660 who pissed in your cereal,calm the fuck down. Watch how you try and attack me now big man
Bart Allen are u mad pussy boiii
Bailey Hawkins stop being toxic, calm down and stop eating really dirty cereal.
I presume he wants to be like Joe rogan, but doesnt realize Joe rogan has different guests whilst Joe weller only has Theo. I agree with you.
“Don’t be puttin steroids in my name I’m major against that!”
Theo Jones can put other drugs like cocaine on his name though
Theo Jones he was tho
Yet weller puts a photo of him in the thumbnail lool
Watch Icarus on Netflix! It’s all about doping in cycling and the Russian scandal, super interesting.
Ye I watched that last year. It’s pretty good
Two great books related to this video.
“The secret race” - talks about doping in cycling, Lance and the drug fest.
“Endure” - talks about human endurance and is it a test of the body or test of the mind. Great books to read!
More frequent uploads please
Joe puts a better point forward and actually makes sense
i think the word you were looking for was exponentially increase in the limit conversation, it'll increase but by a smaller and smaller margin every time. so for the 100m world record it could broken by like 0.2 seconds and then 0.1 after that etc
There was a great study on the mental side of sport and in the study it explained that when something is believed impossible then its less likely that the record will be broken. There was a record a while back that was believed to be scientifically impossible to beat without mechanical/medical assistance, the record was broken then the new record was broken instantly after. A lot of time its just down to mental blocks.
They’re all doing ped’s doesn’t make them bad people , just have to, to compete at the top level. Joe has the right idea
@@dpcater do it doesnt. Everyone does it theo's dumb for thinking that people are natty
Please make more wafflin videos and put them on spotify👏🏻
Conor McGregor is a bad example for the thumbnail lol, he's not a steroid user.
Jarrell Miller
Michael Davis oh shut up you tit
Jack C i fucking doubt it considering he’s in the USADA testing pool and he's never been popped for PED'S. Not everyone is on juice mate don’t preach shit on the internet.
@Michael Davis he gets drug tested like every week
Samwell Tarly You clearly don’t know much about the history of USADA and how recent it is, he hasn’t won a fight since 2016 UFC started using USADA I’m mid 2015 it doesn’t take a genius to do the maths and realise that a lot of people were cheating and getting away with it then.
weller on the Mic and im here to stay
Nate Diaz: "Everybodys on steroids"
watch Ikaros on netflix to see avout how the testing is done and how they get around it
The reason why when something has been done and then other people start doing it (e.g. 4 min mile) is because in sport belief changes everything. Literally
Using Connor McGregor as a thumbnail, bit bait
stfu
Should've put jon jones in the thumbnail
Violet Phillippo tbf to Conor he was probably only on cocaine in his career he didn’t do any PED’s
When it comes to fighting, performance enhancing drugs are far worse because people can lose their lives from that
20:13 The sprinter Theo's talking about is Ben Johnson at the 1988 Olympics.
31:59 yes
With football, the advantage someone one get from taking steroids isn’t as significant as someone who’s just doing one movement (E.g. sprinting, cycling). The things that make someone really good at football are more mental, spacial awareness, hand eye coordination, timings etc.
Theo is actually wafflin hard in this one
Why would you use Conor as a thumbnail when he’s never actually been popped for steroids?
clickbait
I mean he's an example of a freak athlete who has defined science and broken records at time not really full-on clickbait 😑
Gabriel McMahon Conor McGregor definitely isn’t a freak athlete and he hasn’t defined science.
TotalTank views
Gabriel McMahon nah Khabib Nurmagomedov is a freak athlete. That’s a man who I wouldn’t be surprised to hear is on roids.
You guys should do a haunted exploration with BuzzFeed unsolved guys... I think it would be pretty fun
I think you should look at the applications of "game theory" as a potential explanation for excessive doping within sport.
this is the best podcast by far
There’s a lot more that has changed in the past years than just the “diet”. Loving the podcast tho
Joe, have you ever taken anything to increase your performance in your gym sessions?
Protein
Taipan man said protein
I’m joking man god
He's on a cycle of protein shakes and pre workout
Deffo uses creatine - certified not natty!
theo was so wrong about the human limits thing
init it’s literally maths, at some point u can’t get any faster. No one can run a 100m in -1 second
I’m a distance runner and there are many elements to running,it’s such and underrated sport
Not very interesting to watch, though, is it?
Would love to see you bring guests on to this podcast!
Nah
Evolution in sport technology and immense talent and hardwork are the biggest reasons we are constantly breaking record
16:20 that’s due to the technology we have today, people used to run without shoes and obviously it’s completely different now and they have all the things to do and be better now
Why is The Notorious one in the thumbnail?
Think about it this way. In the 90s every single footballer was probably smashing the gear yet none of them were caught. Tony Adams, Gazza and Mersin all have huge problems with gear these days. Plus the testing levels probably haven’t changed
Been waiting for a new episode
These podcast should be bigger than they are
With drug testing of professional athletes, you have to give the national anti doping agency a detailed list of where you're expected to be throughout the day so that they can come to you and test you. Another thing is that you have to allocate a 1 hour slot in their day and a location so that the anti doping agency can come and test you
My guys trim is acc fresh asf in this. Big up Joe's barber
Of course Federer has, anyone who's sustained that level for that long is on it. Ronaldo, Federer, Nadal, Lebron, etc
Rob that’s just naivety, you have to think that any physical advantage that these top athletes can get, they will take. Steroids may make a football player win a lot more duals in the air, steroids may enhance Feds chances of best at his best in the 5th set.
There’s too much money in these sports for it to not be used, it is used, just hidden. Why do you think every football player who gets a big money move to Real Madrid is a huge, well built athlete within 6/7 months of their move. Look at Bale ffs. It happens.
Rob Well its a known fact that Messi was given GH to make himself larger over all (bones as well as muscle!)
It’s in every sport epo all over football & running etc
This channels underrated
The whole podcast...
Joe: makes a good point
Theo: yeah mate I agree
Joe: but obviously I don’t know the ins n outs
Can you upload more of these onto spotify?
Very interesting podcast thank you for that!!
This show is basically Joe rogan but chatting absolute waffle instead of bringing in experts and I love it
Everyone’s on steroids - For example how could usain bolt be the fastest man on earth (even faster than known drug cheats) just with good genetics?
GodPeen the Russians couldn’t beat most Americans, Chinese and British athletes at multiple olympics. And at the olympics it I so hard to get away with cheating, which is why Russia got caught. If everyone else cheated they would be caught
ZeeC the Russians were massively successful when population was factored in. As China and America have 20 and 3 times the population respectively.
If you think non of the western athletes are cheating too then you are naive. It’s rife.
It says it all that out of the top 30 100m sprint times ever, 21 of them were run by people who have since been banned for taking drugs. The other 9 times were run by Bolt, he's just not been caught yet.
So disrespectful imo to label the best as drug cheats with no evidence
@@zac1672 Hard to get away with at the Olympics? Russia got away with it for years, the only reason they got caught was because of a whistleblower. If that person hadn't spoke out then Russia would have continued to get away with it.
That runner scared me as a little kid I called him beady eyed Ben Johnson lol watched that race behind the sofa
ABOUT TIMEE!!!!!!!!!
Main difference in sports people in the last hundred years is time. There are professional athletes in all sports now. That train ALL. THE. TIME. Plus sports technology and dietary stuff.
A major sport I'm Australia called AFL, there was a player named Ben Cousins who was by far the best player in the sport. He won grand finals and best and fairest for his team and league best player but in the end it was found out that he was using cocaine and other drugs. So the use of normal drugs can improve performance because in Ben cousins situation he used it as a relief after smashing himself and pushing his limits during training and games. For more information look up Ben Cousins documentary and you'll be super informed with the situation. Basically he used cocaine and ice as a relief after training which ended up increasing him performance in the sport. So normal drugs can also have an effect like a performance enhancing drug 😊
So mad that I'm watching the south park episode when Jimmy takes steroids for the special Olympics when u uploaded this
If Usain Bolt took steroids he'd be a bloody superhuman.
@Rob you're an idiot
There’s so much more knowledge of training methods now, it’s not just diet and technology that have improved. They know the best ways to train
15:58 this is actually a fantastic point, when you think about it from a biological perspective some of these records would most likely have required some form of "assistance"
I have an idea for both of you
Why don’t you guys do a 100M sprint and both of you get a month to see who decreases their time more?
So it’s not all about who wins but also who improves more
Guys like this so they see it and encourage them to do it it’ll be a pretty good video or series
APC MMA they won’t do it, it’s cold and long
Joe:
You can always question and doubt everything
Joe 3 mins later:
One hundred percent, I don't doubt that athletes can do that
Testing in all sports needs to be boosted, if sports are going to say that they test they need to do it more and regularly when athletes are off season
Didn’t know Theo was inspired by Federer. I am a massive tennis fan so yeah. Cool.
Technology, diet, new training methods, change in how athletes live their lives out of competition there is loads of methods of why athletes are now getting quicker times and breaking records as well as the majority of them being on steroids and performance enhancing drugs
Why is there a picture of a guy who’s never done steroids as the thumbnail...😂
Liam Hagan Mmm sure he hasn’t.
RWoooshBaiter has he ever been popped?
Liam Hagan I mean… testing doesn’t always work, and loads of people get away with being off their tits on gear for years
People need to realise steroids arent a super drug that megaboosts performance. It simply allows a rapid recovery and a minor boost on athletes who are already the 0.0000001% top tier genetically. Lance armstrong wouldve most likely still been the best cyclist of all time anyway, and tyson gay with steroids still couldnt beat bolt.
Max Landsborough it’s not a minor boost, steroids have innumerable advantages for sport. Apparently reflexes, fast twitch muscle fibres and other things are affected as well as just rapid recovery. A test group took steroids and gained on average 7lbs of muscle without even touching a weight.
I don't think athletes like bolt and Federer are on steroids, they are just genetically perfect for their sports.
However.... Footballer when they are 'injured' after having the best of the best medical team around them is suspicious. They get injured far too much for it to be genuine.
The thing with bolt is that he is bloody tall as well, his strides would be massive
Usain Bolt is just a freak athlete who’s basically designed for sprinting being 6ft 5” and fast twitch muscle fibres.
Conor McGregor shouldn’t be the thumbnail
Or should he....
Liam Rennocks There is so much stupid in this comment I don’t know where to start.
HE's def on roids
Cyclists and long distance runners typically use ergogenic aids such as EPO doping, this effectively increases the presence of red blood cells in the body. As a result of this aerobic capacity is enhanced as more O2 can be delivered to working muscles, therefore cardiac performance of these muscles becomes significantly greater. Reducing the effects of Lactic acid on the muscle whilst also decreasing the athletes hearts bpm whilst performing. Essentially EPO = Run for bare long with out getting tired :)
Love it boys
Joe this isn’t hate I actually have the maddest respect for you, if this is true about athletes what about all the other amazing things we’ve achieved like comedians do they take drugs to make them funnier?
there is a drug called epo which can make you work harder for a lot longer so w marathon runners idk
Theyre called Performance Enhancing Drugs (PEDs) bud
When going on about the female sprinters being huge monsters, they’re not that big up close however the reasons for this is, they’re different types of muscles fibres... basically when you do loads of explosive sprints you increase the amount of Type 2x or b muscle fibres that are the largest of the 3 types.... so being a sprinter and sprinting throughout your life will be the reason of the large muscle and why footballers are not normally that big as they don’t always sprint.
There was a video uploaded other week and have deleted since where you were looking sad and a few bad things had gone down, I hope you’re doing okay bro xxxx
What Joe said about the limit is true. But it's different for everyone, no matter how hard I train my whole life I might not be able to run 100m in less than 10 seconds, and someone else light be able to do 9:80 but if somebody just randomly runs 100m in less than 9 or 8 seconds then that's obviously something strange with that since nobody else has even been close to do it natural. Cause our body can only get so much muscles and so low body fat % without supplements. That's our limit
Personally I think a SEPERATE Olympics that allowed performance enhancing supplements would be amazing to watch...... Imagine, no regulation on supplements, pushing the human body to absolute PEAKKK performance. The records would be phenomenal.
There’s corruption throughout sport, it’s sad but unfortunately true
watch the film Icarus on netflix
joe you don’t have to be as cautious when talking about women, you shouldn’t treat it any differently than talking about men just because of media
I agree. It's not sexist to say that women aren't as physically athletic as men, it's a biological fact. It's a shame that he feels so pressured to only say things if they're deemed 'politically correct' and 'safe', instead of feeling the freedom to be able to speak his mind.
You need to watch michael conlans post fight interview after he got robbed in the olympics
Effectively elite athletes are super human in a sense. They have the ability to do things that others can't, hence why they are classed as elite, is what i think Theo is trying to say and therefore limits will constantly be pushed as people will continue to be better
Genetics plays a huge role
Lance Armstrong was the most tested athlete in sports history and never failed one drugs test..
VAP0R99 he wasn’t just doping, he was rubbing the doping system. And bullied those that didn’t dope.
Those shoes have carbon fiber plate in the sole which provide springlike effects. So, he could use the energy that he would have lost on the ground impacts. That's why they are so controversial....
Performance enhancing drugs is the one you’re looking for joe
Love ya joe
The thing that you are saying can flush out other drugs is called diuretics but this is also a performance enhancing drug because it can help with weight loss which will be beificial in like Horace racing or a sport like thang but it can also flush out other drugs.
24:00 ye
I see what they both saying, but when you're that competetive and even tho you are leauges above every1 you're more likely to get on steroids, to see just how far you can go, how good you can get, so when you are the best natural in a super competetive sport you will go on to see how far you can push it, im 18 my goal is to be a professional BodyBuildier, im miles above every1 my age physique wise natural, yet in my head i want to see how far i can push it so ive started steroids, im currently on week 2
What do people think about having an olyimpics where ur allowed to cheat as much as possible
See how far humans can get
Watch the Netflix doc called Icarus it’s about an amateur cyclist who takes loads of steroids to see how far it takes him.
Jamie Vardy apparently drinks red bull before every game 😂
Jon Hill such an irrelevant comment to any point made in this debate
I reckon more like some Charlie
@@samuelwakeman9890 I was being jokey, I didn't mean that I think Red Bull is like taking drugs lol chill out man.
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