Nah US Engineers during WWII sometimes went quite a bit overboard and had to be reigned in. You should look at some of the other designs that went to prototyping but never made it to the field, it was probably for the best that the US was extremely critical of any new designs during the war since it prevented a Germany from happening.
@@hedgehog3180 most german tanks who were fielded(and prototypes who were not) made a lot sense tho and did worked , somewhat , a lot US prototypes were...even questionably useful for its role let alone be used for anything else
@@VarenvelDarakus But the US learned a lot from their dead-end designs, which would lead to the fantastic M26 and Patton series of tank. The Germans learned little from their designs because they couldn't try anything revolutionary.
SCAEF in the European theatre (1944): "What the hell is this? Get it out of my office." War Thunder (2021): "We fix a few things, make it go, kids no nothing."
Fun fact: the T57 120mm gun tank and T58 155mm gun tank were probably the most sci-fi tanks that ever had a finished prototype. Maybe a video on one of these two? Or oscillating turrets in general and why France made it work and the US not?
The t54e1 is basically a mini version of these tanks... and I dunno... I think they'd be a nightmare to balance too cuz of that big gun... like the t54e1 already sits at 8.0 only because of its autoloader...meanwhile the stb1 which suits the meta way better sits at 7.7
US engineers: *design ~69-70 ton tank* Eisenhower: "no this isn't practical" german engineers: *design ~69-70 ton tank* Hitler, probably: "my pp is *K R U P P S T A H L* for this idea"
doubt, this is a paper upgrade to a real vehicle. those are pure paper/wood. the tiger 2 105 is back on the table however. as is the fully stbailised tiger 2 88, and the autoloadering tiger 2 88
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The BIS is kinda a prototype, it was in the factory being built and 1 was supposively finished, but we can't say yes or no to that. Still would be nice for Italy 5.3. Those prototypes you mentioned would also be awesome to see.
I'm glad to see someone clear this up. There were quite a few "uninformed" players in the comments of the devblog, some even saying that Gaijin bought the model from Wargaming because they were lazy. Also, I believe Gaijin is modeling the M6A2E1 after the profiles in RP Hunnicutt's book Firepower.
Honestly I don't even care if they add fictional vehicles, as long as they are fun but not OP vehicles. The Panther 2 and Tiger 105 never hurt anybody.
not really, this would fall under their 'partially built tanks are ok' rules they introduced a while back, the E-50 and E-75 are fully paper and thus still don't count. you might get the panther 88 and/or a more historical panther II tho
Probably not, at least for a while. This is more comparable to the E-100, which was a tank that was partially constructed. A hull was built, but no finished turrets. So maybe we won't see an E-50 or E-75, but we might see tanks like the Emil or the Geschuctzwagen Tiger. Maybe in the far future, when they run out of ideas, we might see paper tanks. Not sure how the audience might react to that though.
The E100 was an event vehicle. You can look it up. It just may never come back again... Just like the Maus. So there is a chance your paper vehicles will come into the game. It may be slim but it has a chance.
@@AWholeLegionary E100's chances of coming back is not even comparable. Maus will come eventually like an evemt because it's popular. While the E100 won't.
I guess I really don't care if they add "paper tigers" if they can find a way to balance them and they have some way of reasonably representing their performance.
The O-I will be heavily impractical in the game, and it would make for a large turret. The reason why the Maus was removed was because it was hard to balance, the O-I will be straight up impossible to balance
Thats what annoys me the most about it ... "oh there where plans for it" .... then give Ratte (Sarcasm) .... but tbh, if thats how things work they should bring back the 341 and the Lighthouse-Panther
You misunderstand this was a real paper vehicle. Stuff like the panther 2 or 105 tiger as portrayed straight up didn't exist, even on paper. A panter 2 did exist as concept. But not like how the games has. The 88mm gun wasn't even possible to fit on the proposed turret.
@@panzerkampfwagen_vi_ausf_e They also made a model of the FV215 [183] and T28 concept... Would you like to face the T110E5 with silicate armor at 7.7?
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 cool story, US already has enough prototypes and other nation vehicles I'm the game, adding more is a joke as it just feeds the trash US player base, if they were to add russian prototypes it would be unfair and unbalanced, there would be countless more vehicles and versions than any other nation, not to mention that it would be impossible to balance! So stop being a WOT noob asking for more fake shit and prototypes! Jeez got enough in game already and no need to fill the US tech tree with more as its already half prototypes to begin with not including the premiums
I would love it if you could make a video on the proposed British modifications and adjustments to their order of T1/M6 heavy tanks. I think it's a part of history scarcely touched in military discussions and such. As well as how some of their suggestions and requirements impacted the base models that had been built.
I like how spookston gave a anwser in like 10 secs and not like infographics show in every video being like 12 min vid and saying "what do you think? Tell us in the comments"
you can, get an M4A3E2 Jumbo and get good at it in arcade, then do the task events to get vehicles you can sell on the market. After that, you can buy other market stuff like the battlepass vehicles or premiums from the store. It's not easy, but it's doable.
Can you do a video about the Ho-Ri? From what I’ve read the “Prototype” model is one of the prototype designs, but the “Production” model that either had a mockup or was slated for production was more like a Jagdpanther. This in addition to the fact that for the longest time most Japanese RHA hulls were modeled as the weaker CHA, many tanks have missing ammunition, and the “Ji-Ro” that was recently added is actually the Hi-Ro
The Ho-Ri Production in game is fake, if I remember correctly. Also, the Ji-Ro in game was initially named Hi-Ro, but people complained that it was wrong, so they changed it.
Gaijin: Deletes several tanks from the German lineup for being too fictional Also Gaijin: Retains numerous Soviet napkin tanks and adds nigh on unicorn American tank
it's kind of true tho Panther II that Gaijin modeled is very inacurrate, because contrary to popular belief it never received 88mm gun, nor either a Schmalturm
Welllll, at least this one was real and not just a scribbled sketch on a very suspect cocktail napkin in an unnamed bar some were... Though I am befuddled why this thing ever got past the Palma-board.
Man, this community pisses me off when they whine about paper tanks, and then wonder why so many copy paste tanks are used to fill BR gaps in this game. As long as paper tanks are not the center of the game, I really don't mind them. I don't think one tank that is historical in every way besides one aspect of it, the upper front plate, is going to be the end of the world.
World of tanks was using the original prototype version of the M6A2E1 with the M6 hull and then they changed for the concept art hull version because that poor think was doing it so bad with a paper hull in Tier VIII.
I'm not sure about the M6A1, but when I was researching the cast-hull T1E1 (aka M6A2) for a suggestion, most sources put its top speed higher than the M6A1 in-game. The T1E1's electric transmission slightly improved acceleration and gave it full speed reverse, but AFAIK it shouldn't have changed the top speed. Either most sources on the M6A2/T1E1 are wrong, or WT's M6A1 is a little slower than it should be. The sources I used for my suggestion gave a top speed of 43 kph (26.9 mph) for the M6A2, whereas the M6A1's top speed on the WT wiki is listed as just 36 kph (22.5 mph), which is noticeably slower. Unless I'm missing some reason the M6A1 should have a lower top speed than the T1E1/M6A2 despite having the same mass and engine, War Thunder's M6A1 is about 7 kph / 4.4 mph slower than it should be.
Love it, gaijin removes the German paper tanks but let's Japan keep its paper tanks and gives it a paper plane the next update and now America gets a paper tank. I wish gaijin would just be consistent.
@@ParanoidAlaskan the german paper tanks never had a working prototype made though, and are so out of the realm of realistic its just stupid to have them included
@@ParanoidAlaskan I'd agree about the others but the Panther II with the 88mm gun wasn't even a paper project. Its technically as fake as the Chinese TD's in WOT.
If this had paper 'plans' for the armor and is being added for everyone, then its good enough reason to add the panther2 and 105 tigers cz they had 'plans'
Sometimes I kinda wish the M6 got refined into an actual frontline unit serving alongside the sherman. Probably wouldn't have seen service past WWII, but it would've been cool. Oh well, I guess we can dream- no, wait, Gaijin made a queue time for that too.
Idk why others hate it but I'm completely fine with paper tanks. Wouldn't it give gaijin the freedom to alter tanks to balance them better? Plus there are some really cool and interesting designs that I would love to see in game
I personally don't have a problem with the tank, but I don't like that it's probably gonna be the lvl 75 reward, the lowers BR one yet, the other BP vehicles are more disappointing tho, I kinda wish that the Russian ship is the LvL 75 reward and that the M6 will be the lvl 50, I personally would have chosen one of the vehicles from the T95 medium project, like the T118/M728.
The pwnther II long 88 and Tigor 105 are more paper than the M6 big boi, but no one dares talk about king sUfFeRiNg. I would be fine with the Chieftain T95. Because they can sell it for two nations while just being a worse T95 that spews coloured smoke one minor hillclimb out of the garage.
The thing is that extra armor plate was proposed is not of roll homogenous armor. It just of regular steel. Which is 50% weaker. Similar to super pershing extra hull armor.
i meant I'm glad there adding the armor cause at least in my experience the regular m6a1 has way to little armor for even 4.7 most of its armor comes the 2 mg's in the hull
The Panther II 88 was literally an impossible design that got put in game. Then they have the Tigor II 105 which is equally bullshit, but everyone wants to whine about the chonk M6 with one sheet of material it was supposed to have anyway.
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 And they removed them once they could fill the gaps in the German tech tree with tanks that weren't make believe. The same people who are looking forward to the addition of this fictional heavy tank will be whinging when Gaijin adds some E-Series nonsense tank for Germany in a year or two, I guarantee it.
Tbh i think it's a nice addition. Like yeah it's only non-fictional if toy squeeze your eyes a bit but tbh i think it's gna perform like the Marder 3 but with more armour and a longer reload speed
Also it would make lots of money since newbies would be sniped by it, and proceed to purchase it asap, yet they rush with it (probably) and die immediately
That entirely depends on what "the tank was real" refers to. Which is a massive issue when people discuss tanks, as almost no one interprets that sentence identically to someone else.
Ya know as a long time player i have little issue with tanks with paper only parts they had planned but not all paper tanks, generally but if it got to even a wood mockup i say good enough to add.
1:07 Eisenhauer when seeing the M6A2E1: "A 77 ton heavy tank? What are you doing? Get this out of here, it is completely impractical." What hitler would have said if germany would have build the same tank: "Ja! We have a new wunderwaffe! This will kill 100 tanks before getting killed itself and will win the war!"
@@donaldhysa4836 difference is that today militarys have the technology, infrastructure and logistics to be able to support such heavy vehicles. Meanwhile try getting a tank which weighs over 40 tons on a U.S. world war 2 cargo ship (liberty ship). Or try to find a pontoon bridge which such a tank can actualy cross. Or find a allied train cart which can carry a 60+ ton heavy tank (spoiler allert: There are none because the allies were not prepairing for war since 1934 and by 1944 it was too late to switch out all railway carts for once which can carry such a heavy tank). Or try to do a amphibious landing of any kind in a tank which weighs 77 tons. Or find a world war 2 tank recovery vehicle which could tow something like that. Oh that is right: YOU CANT! Because in world war 2 they did not have the same f***ing technology as we do today and the reason why germany could afford to build such rediculously overweight tanks (Panther weighs 44 tons, 3 tons heavyer then the loaded combat weight of a M26 Pershing, 7 tons heavyer then a M4A3E2, and I dont even need to tell you about the tigers) is because they were actively prepairing for war since 1934, because they did not need to transport their tanks via ship and because by the time they started vomiting out those overweight heavy/medium "breakthrew" tanks they were constantly on the defensive so they did not have to worry about their "breakthrew" tanks actualy attacking and running across a river during that attack.
@@donaldhysa4836 two answeres: 1. It was extremely difficult for germany to get Tiger 1s to north africa as evidenced by the fact that there were only so few of them there. The reasons why they could even do it in the first place was because they were shipping them across the mediteranian and could therefore use specificaly designed landing craft to bring them from the ships to the beach. Since the mediteranian sea is not the open ocean, there were days on which the sea was calm enough for the landing craft to not sink while carrying them. So they had to ether wait at the shore line for just the right day on which the sea was calm enough (which would not even be possible when trying the same thing on the open ocean like crossing the english channel), then unload them one by one using the few and rare specialised landing craft (which were putting more strains on the german logistics as they did not use standarsized parts and needed their own individual parts being shipped to them) or they would have to completely disassemble them, lift the individual parts into and out of the ships via crane and then reassemble them at their destination which is litteraly the definition of "impractical" and the only reason why germany was even willing to do it was because the number of tigers they shipped to north africa was so small that disassembeling and reassembeling them would not take as long as doing the same with a entire tank army. 2. Germany could transport tigers accross rivers in europe using the large already present regular civilian bridges. As germany was loosing more and more territory as the war progressed they keept destroying those bridges so the allies had to build float bridges which could not carry more then 40 tons of weight. This one realy should not have been too difficult to figure out by yourself, especialy given that like almost every military world war 2 movie ever is based around capturing a bridge before the germans manage to destroy it (for example "A bridge too far", "Saving privat Ryan") but looks like you did not think about that.
@@donaldhysa4836 excuse me for loosing my faith in humanity over you but ARE YOU EVEN READING MY REPLY? 1. Read my comment again. I litteraly wrote "the sea was calm enough for the landing craft to not sink while carrying them." Do you see that word? "Landing craft." Yes incredible, right? There is a difference between a ship and a landing craft, and the difference is that one is limited in the ammount of weight it can carry because it is by design not watertight (since there is a big wide hatch at the front which drops down to let the vehicles/troops run/drive out). "You clearly know jack shit on this subject." 2. "The fact that it was designed to submerge in water also helped as well." You are actualy a lost cause. Having a fully watertight tank is not "overengineering", it is litteraly a standard feature on almost EVERY SINGLE WORLD WAR 2 TANK WHICH THE MAJOR POWERS MADE! But guess what? You cant drive threw a river with a watertight tank if the river is deeper then the f***ing snorkel which in the case of the Tiger is 4 meters. In other words: Every river that could not be crossed by using allied bridge tanks was also too deep for the snorchel equipped Tiger 1. Not to mention the fact that the snorkel is only for the engine and not for the crew compartment so if the Tiger takes too much time crossing a river which is deeper then the turret roof by for example getting stuck in the uneven, extremely muddy and rocky river ground, the crew will sufficate to death quickly, so you cant even use the full 4 meters. And yes, the Tiger could cross regular steel structure bridges designed to carry large ammounts of heavy weight traffic, but as I already said in my previous comment: HAVING SUCH BRIDGES IS A LUXURY! A luxury which the allies simply did not have because almost every large bridge, which germany had previously been using to transport their overweight tanks, was destroyed by germany during their retreat.
M6A2E1 should be a good tank in WT the weak spots should be the middle area around the lower rounded plate and maybe the entire front with if ur tank has good pen. (Also the turret cheeks)
@@W11-o2y Not may be different, it's almost certain. WoT balances tanks by nerfing/buffing their armor. WT can only do a little changes for thay since they wan't to stay historical.
Seeing the in-game stats and test driving it, it feels like it's an American Tiger 2 but worse. Definitely see it more as a sniper/hull down tank than a conventional heavy. It's also really really large, making it very easy to spot.
the US military needed a tank that could match the Tiger II, so they created 2 prototypes of the M6A2E1, the M6A2E1-1 and the M6A2E1-2. Unfortunately, the tank could go on a course with a maximum of 40% incline (22 degrees). At that time, the allies were either fighting on the Ardennes, so the request for M6A2E1 was canceled and the tank never saw the battlefield. Its shape and size were very influenced for that decision. The tanks finished testing in 1946. It had 5 people as a crew. Over time, the first pototype was demolished (1950s) while the second perhaps was slowly dismantled. from this project, the T29 was created
This. WG was the same at some point. WG was shit though... For years there were people asking for Wheel vehicles. And they always answer that they will never add them to the game... Years latter the most broken and Op scout in the game is a wheel vehicle....
I see no problems of Blitz adding fictional tanks, it adds the diversity of the tanks Its not World of Realistic and historical tanks Its called World of Tanks for a reason, and no i dont think there are OP tanks in the game.
"ReMoViNg PaPEr TAnKs" The configuration they are putting into the game is literally a "paper tank" as it was never actually built and only crude drawings exist.
Turret was completed, hull was from M6A1 - it existed. Only historically unaccurate thing is that additional armor plate, so it's not as bad as you think
they already got plans and schedule for BP for atleast 3 more season. and it'll be hard for darkflow studio to manage multiple games especially one of them is still in beta
I don't like it being added with the extra plate. or added regardless. Gaijin knew this would be a controversial add but they went with it. It sounds like its gonna be a Maus for America and ,based on what happened with the Maus, a generally bad vehicle that is hard to balance. I also don't like the hypocrisy going around with people who would oppose the elephant but approve this despite the elephant, ferninad with mg turret and more amour, being actually made. Overall I think gaijin could have chosen a better vehicle, perhaps one made outside of the U.S.A. USSR and Germany.
I dont know if you have but can you make a vid on how to play german 7.0-7.7 because you give very insightful advice and i cannot figure out how to play germany without just rushing and dying because of the armor.
M6A2E1 probably will play similar to the maus assuming its not rated at a poor br for it and because its at a lower br will face less atgm's and heat but isnt a bunker of a tank
TOG I* would actually be viable as an early war tank. Pz cHEAT shells can't get to your crew if they explode a full car length away when driven backwards.
big fan of the m6a1, just always felt it never had enough armor for it's size, seemed more like a cardboard box with a massive gun. This one's prolly gonna struggle a bit too since it'll be fighting leopards and stuff.
I wonder when they'll add the 44M Tas into War Thunder... from what I know, there were two prototypes developed, but both were destroyed before they were completed when the Manfred Weiss factory was bombed. Nevertheless, it would make a good German premium.
As an aviation main, I’m disappointed with season 3 and probably won’t buy it. Season one gave us the super Corsair. A completely unique vehicle Season 2 gave us the ITP-M1. A completely unique vehicle Season 3 gives us what in my view, is a P-39 in name only. It’s prop and gun are more in line with the king cobra than the aira...Gaijin should have instead opted for a few different options A)The ITP-M2. People love the M1 version already so the M2 would probably buff sales of the battle pass and levels. The M2 is effectively identical only with 3 20MM. B)Make the level 75 reward a unique jet, making either the M6 or Kirov the level 50 reward. Looking back on suggestions for interesting jets, there’s many options namely a couple of flying boat/floatplane jets such as the F2Y sea dart. Otherwise, I’d kill to see more experimental/on paper only aircraft such as the HE-280 and going as far as the E.555 with its variations C)A unique French aircraft. One defence I’ve seen for the P-39 is that “France needs more vehicles” and I agree however we have China for all our copy paste needs. Instead, there are aircraft that have a place in war thunder that are French and unique such as the Amiot 143 bomber and Brequet 482 long range bomber
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Famous last words
"What the hell is this" -Eisenhower
lmao
Someone needs to make a family guy Noah’s ark meme out of this
*Daddy chill*
Pretty sure its
COOOOMMMIEEEE
REEEEEE
Anyone else try to access his twitch but only has errors?
Imagine spending days and nights engineering a tank to serve your country and the Boss is just like:"What the hell is this"
Nah US Engineers during WWII sometimes went quite a bit overboard and had to be reigned in. You should look at some of the other designs that went to prototyping but never made it to the field, it was probably for the best that the US was extremely critical of any new designs during the war since it prevented a Germany from happening.
@@hedgehog3180 "I'll make the Maus, BUT BIGGER!"
@@hedgehog3180 most german tanks who were fielded(and prototypes who were not) made a lot sense tho and did worked , somewhat , a lot US prototypes were...even questionably useful for its role let alone be used for anything else
eh they prefer quantity other than quality anyway
@@VarenvelDarakus But the US learned a lot from their dead-end designs, which would lead to the fantastic M26 and Patton series of tank. The Germans learned little from their designs because they couldn't try anything revolutionary.
Playerbase when they see another crafting event: "What the hell is this."
It's your ticket to hell, that's what it is.
Except it isn’t a crafting event.
World of tanks players: first time?
Crafting events are cool if you are smart enough you can earn gjn by selling parts on the market
World of Tanks playerbase: First time?
SCAEF in the European theatre (1944): "What the hell is this? Get it out of my office."
War Thunder (2021): "We fix a few things, make it go, kids no nothing."
Make it balanse comrad!
“Peace was never an option”
-The Goose Tank
It was an option put in merely as a joke
ah yes, the mutant thicc sherman
M4a3e2: dada?
M6: who the hell are you?
M4:hes urs.for the weekend
It's not a Sherman more like an M6 on steroids.
The one children fear under their beds
Fun fact: the T57 120mm gun tank and T58 155mm gun tank were probably the most sci-fi tanks that ever had a finished prototype.
Maybe a video on one of these two? Or oscillating turrets in general and why France made it work and the US not?
Object 279 tho hahaha
The t54e1 is basically a mini version of these tanks... and I dunno... I think they'd be a nightmare to balance too cuz of that big gun... like the t54e1 already sits at 8.0 only because of its autoloader...meanwhile the stb1 which suits the meta way better sits at 7.7
@@helloimmark2769 The T30 already exists and is fine at 6.7
@@helloimmark2769 huh? I never said they should be added to war thunder, I'm mostly here for the historic content since I don't play WT anyway xD
You forgot about the T30E1 which also had a 155mm autoloader.
Wait they are adding the American goose tank?!? I was just thinking what if they added it
Battle Pass vehicle
@@bjw6877 yeah
US engineers: *design ~69-70 ton tank*
Eisenhower: "no this isn't practical"
german engineers: *design ~69-70 ton tank*
Hitler, probably: "my
pp
is
*K R U P P S T A H L*
for this idea"
The tank itself just looks like an Phlydaily edited thumbnail
Spookston, did you hear that Task & purpose gave you a shoutout for your Bradley video?
Link?
yeah he did
Nice pfp
Wait, he admit that he was wrong for using Pentagon Wars as how crap the US bureacracy was irl?
Gimme the link, though?
@@jacobs279 thanks
"If Type 59 Chi-ha is historically accurate" please
Type 59 is ha-go not chi-ha lmao
@@GunDog3x5 what's difference?
@@jamesedwardzerrudo4522 suspension
Hull shape
Gun
Turret
Engine
@@GunDog3x5 I only remember is have 57mm,47mm,5 inch cm naval gun and Spaa
@@jamesedwardzerrudo4522 yeah i think youre talking about the type 97
War Thunder: Add 'Fictional' Vehicle
WoT/B/C: First Time?
It was a real design though. Not much different than adding the Hortten 229
@@WaukWarrior360 yeah same like WoT especially Blitz oh dayum they even put that dickhead tank with the engine in the back of turret (M-Yoh Series)
In WoT, its frontal hull thickness is 191mm, idk if that's even accurate
@@johncole386 That would be some battleship type shit
@@WaukWarrior360 just wait until they actually put Haenebu (UFO) in random battles
Thanks for explaining things clearly and without dramas. And for looking at both sides of the coin.
That’s usually spookston’s content, which is why I have stayed :) Good info with clear and concise reasoning
I mean if this thing is going to be around the 6.3-6.7 br brit mains are gonna have a good time with this
wouldt be suprised if gaijin is puting it to 7.0 at first, then patching the shit out of it till its useless then move it to 5.7 or 6.0
My FV 4005 and Conway are waiting for this big sweet target
I really love that they are considering more prototypes. Maybe we might see the p30/43 bis and ter
doubt, this is a paper upgrade to a real vehicle. those are pure paper/wood. the tiger 2 105 is back on the table however. as is the fully stbailised tiger 2 88, and the autoloadering tiger 2 88
Tas 44M please!
@@matthiuskoenig3378 The BIS is kinda a prototype, it was in the factory being built and 1 was supposively finished, but we can't say yes or no to that. Still would be nice for Italy 5.3. Those prototypes you mentioned would also be awesome to see.
@@ausaskar Hungary and Romainia when Gajin
isn't many of tier 5-6 of USA and USSR prototypes already?
2:12: "in term of how it'll perform on War Thunder, i image it won't perform well.
Soon Spookston will release new video be like: M61A2E1 is balanced
@@donaldhysa4836 kinda stupid why i'm accepting every spookston's whining. it seems this guy just making low quality opinion
I'm glad to see someone clear this up. There were quite a few "uninformed" players in the comments of the devblog, some even saying that Gaijin bought the model from Wargaming because they were lazy. Also, I believe Gaijin is modeling the M6A2E1 after the profiles in RP Hunnicutt's book Firepower.
gaijin is modeling shit, they buy it from other ppl who work on comission
I've got that book, I'll have to take a look.
@@kthec1298 I am aware. It's just easier to say that Gaijin is modeling it rather than Gaijin is commissioning the model.
@@ShortThrowShifting Page 58, I believe.
Honestly I don't even care if they add fictional vehicles, as long as they are fun but not OP vehicles. The Panther 2 and Tiger 105 never hurt anybody.
panther II is a beast at 6.7.
The Panther 2 is under BRed but I agree, paper vehicles are a good addition as long as they are balanced and not totally made up
Yeah. I'm all for paper vehicles as long as enough information exists to create an accurate in-game representation.
The 105 seems almost useless tbh
So no Rattes
Me who has undying love for the E-50 and E-75:
So you are telling me there is a chance? :O
not really, this would fall under their 'partially built tanks are ok' rules they introduced a while back, the E-50 and E-75 are fully paper and thus still don't count.
you might get the panther 88 and/or a more historical panther II tho
Probably not, at least for a while. This is more comparable to the E-100, which was a tank that was partially constructed. A hull was built, but no finished turrets. So maybe we won't see an E-50 or E-75, but we might see tanks like the Emil or the Geschuctzwagen Tiger. Maybe in the far future, when they run out of ideas, we might see paper tanks. Not sure how the audience might react to that though.
The E100 was an event vehicle. You can look it up. It just may never come back again... Just like the Maus. So there is a chance your paper vehicles will come into the game. It may be slim but it has a chance.
@@AWholeLegionary E100's chances of coming back is not even comparable. Maus will come eventually like an evemt because it's popular. While the E100 won't.
@@katyusha1283 Who knows. There's still a chance. Doesn't matter if it's slimmer than a literal molecule. There's always a chance.
I guess I really don't care if they add "paper tigers" if they can find a way to balance them and they have some way of reasonably representing their performance.
They've added a lot of paper tigers like the Ho. 229 and the Panther 2
@@WaukWarrior360 That's exactly why the Panther 2 got removed.
If anything add the Panther 2 back and add the Japanese O-I
The O-I will be heavily impractical in the game, and it would make for a large turret. The reason why the Maus was removed was because it was hard to balance, the O-I will be straight up impossible to balance
@@katyusha1283 why do I keep seeing panther 2s on a map? Just had one on my team
The M6 Mutant is coming to War Thunder!
gaijin be like : "were removing any and all fictional tanks"
*proceeds to add multiple fictional tanks*
Thats what annoys me the most about it ... "oh there where plans for it" .... then give Ratte (Sarcasm) .... but tbh, if thats how things work they should bring back the 341 and the Lighthouse-Panther
You misunderstand this was a real paper vehicle. Stuff like the panther 2 or 105 tiger as portrayed straight up didn't exist, even on paper. A panter 2 did exist as concept. But not like how the games has. The 88mm gun wasn't even possible to fit on the proposed turret.
@@himedo1512 they did make a wooden model of the coelian tho
@@panzerkampfwagen_vi_ausf_e They also made a model of the FV215 [183] and T28 concept... Would you like to face the T110E5 with silicate armor at 7.7?
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 cool story, US already has enough prototypes and other nation vehicles I'm the game, adding more is a joke as it just feeds the trash US player base, if they were to add russian prototypes it would be unfair and unbalanced, there would be countless more vehicles and versions than any other nation, not to mention that it would be impossible to balance! So stop being a WOT noob asking for more fake shit and prototypes! Jeez got enough in game already and no need to fill the US tech tree with more as its already half prototypes to begin with not including the premiums
The real questions are asked here
I would love it if you could make a video on the proposed British modifications and adjustments to their order of T1/M6 heavy tanks. I think it's a part of history scarcely touched in military discussions and such. As well as how some of their suggestions and requirements impacted the base models that had been built.
I like how spookston gave a anwser in like 10 secs and not like infographics show in every video being like 12 min vid and saying "what do you think? Tell us in the comments"
We used to call it disinfo graphics.
Honestly this thing is my dream vehicle. First the Lee, then the M6, now we get big grandaddy M6a2 rolling up
*OH BOY MORE STUFF THAT I AS A F2P CAN NEVER GET*
U can, if this tank is going to be the reward for level 50. But yeah, I understand what you mean.
@@wertsdsf1162 Wait, so instead of a free plane a free tank?
you can, get an M4A3E2 Jumbo and get good at it in arcade, then do the task events to get vehicles you can sell on the market. After that, you can buy other market stuff like the battlepass vehicles or premiums from the store.
It's not easy, but it's doable.
@@wertsdsf1162 yes it is possible but give me 5 years!
@@Bruhsound4.0 you don't need five years to grind the bp to lvl 50.
Can you do a video about the Ho-Ri? From what I’ve read the “Prototype” model is one of the prototype designs, but the “Production” model that either had a mockup or was slated for production was more like a Jagdpanther. This in addition to the fact that for the longest time most Japanese RHA hulls were modeled as the weaker CHA, many tanks have missing ammunition, and the “Ji-Ro” that was recently added is actually the Hi-Ro
The Ho-Ri Production in game is fake, if I remember correctly. Also, the Ji-Ro in game was initially named Hi-Ro, but people complained that it was wrong, so they changed it.
I feel like it will fall under the same category as the Black Prince
- Slow
- Powerful gun
- Great armour
- Slow af
- Fun but impractical to play
You heard it, we are getting the E-50
Gaijin: Deletes several tanks from the German lineup for being too fictional
Also Gaijin: Retains numerous Soviet napkin tanks and adds nigh on unicorn American tank
what soviet napkin tanks?
@@jammygamer8961 The object class tanks that were paper tanks but are in game
What fictional do the Soviets actually have?
i am curious about which are the "Soviet napkin tanks"
@@chitaumoua2396 if you mean the 279, it stands in Kubinka, same for the object 120
meanwhile the german tech tree gets gutted because they "arent real enough"
it's kind of true tho
Panther II that Gaijin modeled is very inacurrate, because contrary to popular belief it never received 88mm gun, nor either a Schmalturm
Welllll, at least this one was real and not just a scribbled sketch on a very suspect cocktail napkin in an unnamed bar some were... Though I am befuddled why this thing ever got past the Palma-board.
Spook!!! Your videos are too short to contain your sheer awesomeness!!!
Do i hear the japanes O-I tank coming? XD
please god no
A reminder of a dark time. Please, no.
Man, this community pisses me off when they whine about paper tanks, and then wonder why so many copy paste tanks are used to fill BR gaps in this game. As long as paper tanks are not the center of the game, I really don't mind them. I don't think one tank that is historical in every way besides one aspect of it, the upper front plate, is going to be the end of the world.
SLIPPERY SLOPE
Well I'll be honest it will at least make things interesting and possibly more challenging either way I just wanna wait and see how it goes
World of tanks was using the original prototype version of the M6A2E1 with the M6 hull and then they changed for the concept art hull version because that poor think was doing it so bad with a paper hull in Tier VIII.
I dont care about fictional stuff, just make the experience enjoyable
What about the regular m6a1? I read its top speed is capped and that in real life it wouldn't have been so slow. Is that true?
I'm not sure about the M6A1, but when I was researching the cast-hull T1E1 (aka M6A2) for a suggestion, most sources put its top speed higher than the M6A1 in-game. The T1E1's electric transmission slightly improved acceleration and gave it full speed reverse, but AFAIK it shouldn't have changed the top speed. Either most sources on the M6A2/T1E1 are wrong, or WT's M6A1 is a little slower than it should be. The sources I used for my suggestion gave a top speed of 43 kph (26.9 mph) for the M6A2, whereas the M6A1's top speed on the WT wiki is listed as just 36 kph (22.5 mph), which is noticeably slower. Unless I'm missing some reason the M6A1 should have a lower top speed than the T1E1/M6A2 despite having the same mass and engine, War Thunder's M6A1 is about 7 kph / 4.4 mph slower than it should be.
Thanks for clearing this up I had a lot of doubts about this and it's legitimacy, I never knew that design was carried to that extent.
It's probably end up like the coelian and the Panther II
Hopefully it will.
@@Thunderbolt_1000_Siren Very unlikely. Considering it's a battle pass vehicle. Not a tech tree vehicle.
Love it, gaijin removes the German paper tanks but let's Japan keep its paper tanks and gives it a paper plane the next update and now America gets a paper tank. I wish gaijin would just be consistent.
@@ParanoidAlaskan the german paper tanks never had a working prototype made though, and are so out of the realm of realistic its just stupid to have them included
@@ParanoidAlaskan I'd agree about the others but the Panther II with the 88mm gun wasn't even a paper project. Its technically as fake as the Chinese TD's in WOT.
If this had paper 'plans' for the armor and is being added for everyone, then its good enough reason to add the panther2 and 105 tigers cz they had 'plans'
At the ending I was like Shit why is that song soo familiar?.... Then it clicked... it’s always a welcome piece of music.
if it s tall like the world of tanks version, then it s going to be a very hard tank to play
Sometimes I kinda wish the M6 got refined into an actual frontline unit serving alongside the sherman. Probably wouldn't have seen service past WWII, but it would've been cool.
Oh well, I guess we can dream- no, wait, Gaijin made a queue time for that too.
Even if it was refined it probably wouldn't have seen service due to the logistics issues
@@DeosPraetorian Americans were boringly conventional when it came to tanks, except in the case of TDs.
@@Zorro9129 Well they had issues with the weight of the Pershing and the M6 was 30,000 pounds heavier than the Pershing
@@DeosPraetorian That never stopped the Soviets who were arguably even crazier than the Germans.
@@Zorro9129 the soviets didnt have to move everything over the ocean to get to the fight
Idk why others hate it but I'm completely fine with paper tanks. Wouldn't it give gaijin the freedom to alter tanks to balance them better? Plus there are some really cool and interesting designs that I would love to see in game
Yes, give me the AMX 40 duck tank
I personally don't have a problem with the tank, but I don't like that it's probably gonna be the lvl 75 reward, the lowers BR one yet, the other BP vehicles are more disappointing tho, I kinda wish that the Russian ship is the LvL 75 reward and that the M6 will be the lvl 50, I personally would have chosen one of the vehicles from the T95 medium project, like the T118/M728.
The pwnther II long 88 and Tigor 105 are more paper than the M6 big boi, but no one dares talk about king sUfFeRiNg. I would be fine with the Chieftain T95. Because they can sell it for two nations while just being a worse T95 that spews coloured smoke one minor hillclimb out of the garage.
The thing is that extra armor plate was proposed is not of roll homogenous armor. It just of regular steel. Which is 50% weaker. Similar to super pershing extra hull armor.
I totally agree with Eisenhower
eisenhower saw the ammo rack was stored outside the armor and just fired the designers on the spot.
imagine not keybinding primary and secondary guns separately smh my head
i meant I'm glad there adding the armor cause at least in my experience the regular m6a1 has way to little armor for even 4.7 most of its armor comes the 2 mg's in the hull
Give back 105mm Kingtiger and im completely fine with any amount of additional armor if the weight is increased accordingly
Gib the 155mm T34 heavy
This is basically as fictional as the panther 2 in WT. Why would gaijin remove unhistorical vehicles in one tree and add them to another.
The Panther II 88 was literally an impossible design that got put in game. Then they have the Tigor II 105 which is equally bullshit, but everyone wants to whine about the chonk M6 with one sheet of material it was supposed to have anyway.
@@lector-dogmatixsicarii1537 And they removed them once they could fill the gaps in the German tech tree with tanks that weren't make believe. The same people who are looking forward to the addition of this fictional heavy tank will be whinging when Gaijin adds some E-Series nonsense tank for Germany in a year or two, I guarantee it.
"This tank isn't completeley fictional, as seen by this concept art."
You know that 2 prototypes were built, right?
@@Kalashnikov413 nono, i get it, but i just pointed out how funny that line seemed to me.
Tbh i think it's a nice addition. Like yeah it's only non-fictional if toy squeeze your eyes a bit but tbh i think it's gna perform like the Marder 3 but with more armour and a longer reload speed
Also it would make lots of money since newbies would be sniped by it, and proceed to purchase it asap, yet they rush with it (probably) and die immediately
@@Jacob-vg2hh Its a Battlepass tank not an event one, so itll be a little harder to get then sya your standard event vehicle.
@@decarus834 ik its gna be a battlepass tank. But my point still stands, you can pay like 75GE to advance to 1 full rank
And yeah if gaijin sees how addictive the tank is, they'll def find a way to make it available behind a paywall, like on the marketplace
i mean the strv 122 is fictional since it uses ammo sweden never used
the M6A2 looks like a cursed thumbnail phydaily would make
The tank was real, but the M6A2 hull featuring the upgraded armor technically isn’t, as it was never built, only planned.
That entirely depends on what "the tank was real" refers to. Which is a massive issue when people discuss tanks, as almost no one interprets that sentence identically to someone else.
Eisenhower was such a party pooper, it was a great tank design.
Ya know as a long time player i have little issue with tanks with paper only parts they had planned but not all paper tanks, generally but if it got to even a wood mockup i say good enough to add.
War Thunder playerbase: WAAAH FICTIONAL TANK
Also War Thunder Playerbase: GIB BACK PANTHER 2 and 105 TIGER!
It's more akin to "you removed the panther two and the 105 tiger for being fictional yet you're adding more fictional tanks" from what I've seen
1:07
Eisenhauer when seeing the M6A2E1:
"A 77 ton heavy tank? What are you doing? Get this out of here, it is completely impractical."
What hitler would have said if germany would have build the same tank: "Ja! We have a new wunderwaffe! This will kill 100 tanks before getting killed itself and will win the war!"
@@donaldhysa4836 difference is that today militarys have the technology, infrastructure and logistics to be able to support such heavy vehicles.
Meanwhile try getting a tank which weighs over 40 tons on a U.S. world war 2 cargo ship (liberty ship). Or try to find a pontoon bridge which such a tank can actualy cross. Or find a allied train cart which can carry a 60+ ton heavy tank (spoiler allert: There are none because the allies were not prepairing for war since 1934 and by 1944 it was too late to switch out all railway carts for once which can carry such a heavy tank). Or try to do a amphibious landing of any kind in a tank which weighs 77 tons. Or find a world war 2 tank recovery vehicle which could tow something like that.
Oh that is right: YOU CANT! Because in world war 2 they did not have the same f***ing technology as we do today and the reason why germany could afford to build such rediculously overweight tanks (Panther weighs 44 tons, 3 tons heavyer then the loaded combat weight of a M26 Pershing, 7 tons heavyer then a M4A3E2, and I dont even need to tell you about the tigers) is because they were actively prepairing for war since 1934, because they did not need to transport their tanks via ship and because by the time they started vomiting out those overweight heavy/medium "breakthrew" tanks they were constantly on the defensive so they did not have to worry about their "breakthrew" tanks actualy attacking and running across a river during that attack.
@@donaldhysa4836 two answeres:
1. It was extremely difficult for germany to get Tiger 1s to north africa as evidenced by the fact that there were only so few of them there. The reasons why they could even do it in the first place was because they were shipping them across the mediteranian and could therefore use specificaly designed landing craft to bring them from the ships to the beach. Since the mediteranian sea is not the open ocean, there were days on which the sea was calm enough for the landing craft to not sink while carrying them. So they had to ether wait at the shore line for just the right day on which the sea was calm enough (which would not even be possible when trying the same thing on the open ocean like crossing the english channel), then unload them one by one using the few and rare specialised landing craft (which were putting more strains on the german logistics as they did not use standarsized parts and needed their own individual parts being shipped to them) or they would have to completely disassemble them, lift the individual parts into and out of the ships via crane and then reassemble them at their destination which is litteraly the definition of "impractical" and the only reason why germany was even willing to do it was because the number of tigers they shipped to north africa was so small that disassembeling and reassembeling them would not take as long as doing the same with a entire tank army.
2. Germany could transport tigers accross rivers in europe using the large already present regular civilian bridges. As germany was loosing more and more territory as the war progressed they keept destroying those bridges so the allies had to build float bridges which could not carry more then 40 tons of weight.
This one realy should not have been too difficult to figure out by yourself, especialy given that like almost every military world war 2 movie ever is based around capturing a bridge before the germans manage to destroy it (for example "A bridge too far", "Saving privat Ryan") but looks like you did not think about that.
@@donaldhysa4836 excuse me for loosing my faith in humanity over you but ARE YOU EVEN READING MY REPLY?
1. Read my comment again. I litteraly wrote "the sea was calm enough for the landing craft to not sink while carrying them." Do you see that word? "Landing craft." Yes incredible, right? There is a difference between a ship and a landing craft, and the difference is that one is limited in the ammount of weight it can carry because it is by design not watertight (since there is a big wide hatch at the front which drops down to let the vehicles/troops run/drive out). "You clearly know jack shit on this subject."
2. "The fact that it was designed to submerge in water also helped as well." You are actualy a lost cause. Having a fully watertight tank is not "overengineering", it is litteraly a standard feature on almost EVERY SINGLE WORLD WAR 2 TANK WHICH THE MAJOR POWERS MADE! But guess what? You cant drive threw a river with a watertight tank if the river is deeper then the f***ing snorkel which in the case of the Tiger is 4 meters. In other words: Every river that could not be crossed by using allied bridge tanks was also too deep for the snorchel equipped Tiger 1. Not to mention the fact that the snorkel is only for the engine and not for the crew compartment so if the Tiger takes too much time crossing a river which is deeper then the turret roof by for example getting stuck in the uneven, extremely muddy and rocky river ground, the crew will sufficate to death quickly, so you cant even use the full 4 meters.
And yes, the Tiger could cross regular steel structure bridges designed to carry large ammounts of heavy weight traffic, but as I already said in my previous comment: HAVING SUCH BRIDGES IS A LUXURY! A luxury which the allies simply did not have because almost every large bridge, which germany had previously been using to transport their overweight tanks, was destroyed by germany during their retreat.
M6A2E1 should be a good tank in WT the weak spots should be the middle area around the lower rounded plate and maybe the entire front with if ur tank has good pen. (Also the turret cheeks)
The Tank is best used in a hulldown since the turret cheeks are smol
Also I only know this because of WOT Blitz the armor profile may be different in WT
@@W11-o2y Not may be different, it's almost certain. WoT balances tanks by nerfing/buffing their armor. WT can only do a little changes for thay since they wan't to stay historical.
M6A2E1 looks like a Sherman after the visit to a mad plastic surgeon
I remember this thing from the days of WoT, lol :D Leader of clan in which I was back there, had this premium vehicle.
Seeing the in-game stats and test driving it, it feels like it's an American Tiger 2 but worse. Definitely see it more as a sniper/hull down tank than a conventional heavy. It's also really really large, making it very easy to spot.
the US military needed a tank that could match the Tiger II, so they created 2 prototypes of the M6A2E1, the M6A2E1-1 and the M6A2E1-2. Unfortunately, the tank could go on a course with a maximum of 40% incline (22 degrees). At that time, the allies were either fighting on the Ardennes, so the request for M6A2E1 was canceled and the tank never saw the battlefield. Its shape and size were very influenced for that decision. The tanks finished testing in 1946. It had 5 people as a crew. Over time, the first pototype was demolished (1950s) while the second perhaps was slowly dismantled. from this project, the T29 was created
Did you just speed run tank overlook?
Do you think the Martin Baker Tankbuster aircraft should be added to WT, and if so, at what BR?
What is it?
It's fully paper vehicle
They adding megamind to war thunder i guess
Im pretty sure the real tank ideas would ran out, and Gaijin will turn into WG
This. WG was the same at some point. WG was shit though... For years there were people asking for Wheel vehicles. And they always answer that they will never add them to the game... Years latter the most broken and Op scout in the game is a wheel vehicle....
@@Rek1emMScar thank god I play Blitz and hoping they wont add those
@@tomahawkinbound25 instead blitz got imaginary tanks that were more broken
I see no problems of Blitz adding fictional tanks, it adds the diversity of the tanks
Its not World of Realistic and historical tanks
Its called World of Tanks for a reason, and no i dont think there are OP tanks in the game.
I would like to hear more of your criticisms of Pentagon Wars in particular and the so-called military “reformers” in general.
"ReMoViNg PaPEr TAnKs"
The configuration they are putting into the game is literally a "paper tank" as it was never actually built and only crude drawings exist.
Turret was completed, hull was from M6A1 - it existed. Only historically unaccurate thing is that additional armor plate, so it's not as bad as you think
When I seen the thumbnail I was like : What a I’m looking at ?
A m6 with 122mm cannon
@@rayhanhayubi3361 so cursed 🤣
@@mohammadshehada267 its a 105mm gun not 122. Its the same gun as the T28/T95
I think this will make a good addition. I’m always in favor of more US tanks. And I think they made the right decision in regards to the armor plate.
+1
I think it will be just a heavy m25. I assume it has the stabilizer like the m6a1. The ability to almost fire on the move is the selling point.
Just the derp factor is enough to convince me to try to get it.
Naturally war thunder decides to squeeze money out of their broken game rather than to try to fix it. Not even surprised at this rate.
they already got plans and schedule for BP for atleast 3 more season. and it'll be hard for darkflow studio to manage multiple games especially one of them is still in beta
This game is becoming world of tank
Finally...
What do you think of the vehicles in konflikt 47
@Spookston I can’t access your twitch it only shows error
I don't like it being added with the extra plate. or added regardless. Gaijin knew this would be a controversial add but they went with it. It sounds like its gonna be a Maus for America and ,based on what happened with the Maus, a generally bad vehicle that is hard to balance. I also don't like the hypocrisy going around with people who would oppose the elephant but approve this despite the elephant, ferninad with mg turret and more amour, being actually made. Overall I think gaijin could have chosen a better vehicle, perhaps one made outside of the U.S.A. USSR and Germany.
Eisenhower: so anyway, I started blastin' (experimental hogwash).
I dont know if you have but can you make a vid on how to play german 7.0-7.7 because you give very insightful advice and i cannot figure out how to play germany without just rushing and dying because of the armor.
Also i love the bmp 1 if that gives a hint to what kind of player i am
We all have fought German tanks so long , that hitting them in the large "sweet spots " has become instinct.
won't be long till war thunder morphs into world of tanks with endless lists of paper tanks because money
When’s the next battle pass coming out
Can you make a video talking about the M5A2 Atlas of Crysis? (Everything wrong or right)
M6A2E1 probably will play similar to the maus assuming its not rated at a poor br for it and because its at a lower br will face less atgm's and heat but isnt a bunker of a tank
The tank looks like something out of a phlydaily thumbnail...
and I bloody love it
when he got this video out the thumbnail wouldn't be photoshopped like most of his cursed vehicles video
I am personally quite excited for this vehicle
FINALLY a really interesting battlepass vehicle
Would it be too much to ask for a TOG ll? I'd grind for it
TOG I* would actually be viable as an early war tank. Pz cHEAT shells can't get to your crew if they explode a full car length away when driven backwards.
big fan of the m6a1, just always felt it never had enough armor for it's size, seemed more like a cardboard box with a massive gun. This one's prolly gonna struggle a bit too since it'll be fighting leopards and stuff.
I wonder when they'll add the 44M Tas into War Thunder... from what I know, there were two prototypes developed, but both were destroyed before they were completed when the Manfred Weiss factory was bombed. Nevertheless, it would make a good German premium.
As an aviation main, I’m disappointed with season 3 and probably won’t buy it.
Season one gave us the super Corsair. A completely unique vehicle
Season 2 gave us the ITP-M1. A completely unique vehicle
Season 3 gives us what in my view, is a P-39 in name only. It’s prop and gun are more in line with the king cobra than the aira...Gaijin should have instead opted for a few different options
A)The ITP-M2. People love the M1 version already so the M2 would probably buff sales of the battle pass and levels. The M2 is effectively identical only with 3 20MM.
B)Make the level 75 reward a unique jet, making either the M6 or Kirov the level 50 reward. Looking back on suggestions for interesting jets, there’s many options namely a couple of flying boat/floatplane jets such as the F2Y sea dart. Otherwise, I’d kill to see more experimental/on paper only aircraft such as the HE-280 and going as far as the E.555 with its variations
C)A unique French aircraft. One defence I’ve seen for the P-39 is that “France needs more vehicles” and I agree however we have China for all our copy paste needs. Instead, there are aircraft that have a place in war thunder that are French and unique such as the Amiot 143 bomber and Brequet 482 long range bomber
WoT players, who get fictional tanks every week: *mhm interesting*
Ever since I played WoT Blitz I've wanted this in War Thunder
Oh Gods, they’re adding the M6 mutant.