Really enjoyed this. I spent 2 years on Cornwallis Island 1963 and 1964., just a bit West of Beechey Island and was fortunate to visit the Island and see where they spent the winter of 1847. I was a member of the Joint Arctic Weather Stations (JAWS), jointly staffed by Canadian and American personnel, which existed from 1947 to 1972. The stations were then, and are now, manned by only Canadian staff.
Thank you for uploading this documentary. Louie Kamookak passed away in 2018, but I was moved very much by his words. Thanks to him, Erebus was discovered again.
The wreck of the Terror was discovered in 2016 south of King William Island in what's called Terror Bay. Both sites are protected and combined as a National Historic Site. And exact locations have not been disclosed.
I too was impressed by Mr. Kamookak's quiet demeanour and evident respect for the expedition. That RN nutjob who confidently asserted that the last expedition survivors were in fact murdered should be ashamed.
@@jb1934 But he didn't say they were 'murdered' and he didn't say by who, just that the evidence suggests they were attacked. He said that the police forensic evidence suggests that the wounds to the hands and feet bones were caused by attack. That could have been attack from delirious crew-mates, or crew-mates who had reached the end of their mental sanity rope and had gone nuts. It could have been by Inuit maybe - maybe the delirious/crazy/starving crew members attacked a group of Inuit they came across? Who knows, it's awful if that did happen and I wish it had not, but I don't remember him saying specifically that the Inuit attacked the sailors. Or as just several scenes earlier attested to, knives were used to cut the dead, frostbitten flesh away from living flesh, particularly on the hands and feet, and where were those 'attack' sign bones mostly found? The hands and feet. So those cuts to the bones could have just come from crew members cutting the dead flesh away of their hands and feet after frostbite or gangrene. It's entirely possible that the guy is just grasping at something else other than the idea of the crew turning to cannibalism (which is an understandably reprehensible thing you hope your fellows don't submit to under the most desperate of circumstances). But at the same time, he didn't say that the Inuit set upon the crew. He just said that the cuts to the bones likely came from 'attacks', which could have a been a wide variety of explanations.
Thank you so much for uploading this intelligent, comprehensive, and moving documentary. I was born and raised a few miles from Franklin's birthplace of Spilsby, Lincolnshire and the legend is well known here. I've long been fascinated by the stories of polar exploration and knew the broad outlines of the story, but this programme began to fill in the details and raise other questions. It is quite a tale of courage and suffering. The discovery of the two wrecks a few years ago of the ships may reveal a lot more information about what happened, though finding the captains' and officers' logs would be a real breakthrough in this research. The role of Inuit testimony is also shedding new light on the events.
What a respectful, great and heart wrenching account of endurance and exploration. Even in my imagination I find it difficult to grasp the suffering these men went through. Absolute hell! What an amazing woman Jane Franklin was. Intelligent, faithful to the core and a heroine in her own unique way. Thank you for this production and upload. Btw a few months ago I watched The Terror drama on TV. A superb drama 👌🙏🏻😔
They don’t do documentary like this anymore. Precise, well explained, no dramatic replay and very informative.... those were good days. Million thanks for uploading this sir.
@E mills Why do you have to ruin everything good with your weird cultish bullshit? Seriously, every video these days, no matter the subject, has at least one of you guys lurking in the comments, talking about how great things were back in the good ol’ days. Stop. Please, just stop. SJWs didn’t ruin history. They continually shine a light on painful moments from our past that we are still dealing with today. I believe Ta Tum’s point, and correct me if I’m wrong, was that history documentaries, NOT ALL OF HISTORY ITSELF, were better before brain-melting reality tv crap took over all the science channels. You took a positive thing such as an old informative documentary being uploaded for everyone to see and made it negative. Stop with the code words and cult antics. Learn about topics such as cognitive dissonance and realistic conflict theory and maybe, just maybe you too can grow up. FYI, I never comment on TH-cam videos, but I felt compelled after seeing YET ANOTHER negative comment on a completely non-political doc. Call me triggered. I don’t care and I don’t expect my comment to change your frankly sad worldview. I just want to watch my arctic exploration documentaries in peace. Maybe you should do the same.
They speak of these artic explores as if they were to first to voyage in these waters yet they all speak of whalers. Whalers who must have been there first. ??
Oh, Ralph, I sympathize with your circumstances and admire your solution, but @ 40:40 I must say you provided me with the loudest outburst of laughter I've had since the beginning of the Cov-19 lockdown. Thank you, Mr. Fiennes, your adherence to the "Pack it in, pack it out" mantra is highly esteemed.
Great, thank you 👍. Like many other commenters, I'm touched by Louie Kamookak's interest in the fate of those men. The fact that the stories were passed down in Inuit oral history is a reminder that the stories of humanity are all intertwined. I'm sorry to hear that he has also passed away. R.I.P.
Nostalgia overload. Bravo on spreading accurate historical information instead of misinformation as the "history" channel of today does so frighteningly well.
Crozier never got the recognition he deserved.as a person from Banbridge we were taught at school what a brilliant individual he was.in fact a direct decendant of his was in my class.
William I have lived in Banbridge all my life of 66 years and have never been in that church.but this week I intend to go and see the recognition for crozier.by the way have you read the book ,last man standing,which is all about crozier.brillant.
@@stephaniefleming2880 Yes I've read the book Last man standing by Michael Smith.an excellent read,Stephanie,when you go inside the church and look at the stone dedication to Crozier we noticed that they had spelt Arctic and Antarctic wrong,from memory the warden who showed us round was called Trevor,a lovely man.
Hi Tarquin - If you are interested in the most recent DNA analysis and research, it can obtained online. This research is spearheaded by Canadian Professor of Archaeology…Dr. Doug Stenton…from the University of Waterloo in Ontario Canada. There are recent multiple documentaries outlining the cannibalism theory. Some are from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), while others can be located at the Smithsonian and other credited locals/reseachers. It’s certainly not difficult to obtain…one merely needs to do an online search. I hope this was helpful. Cheers!🇨🇦
What an extraordinary story of human endeavor. I got to hear about this story first from the song Lord Franklin. How life has changed since that time nothing of what we have now no planes, no drones, no phones, certainly not mobile!, no internet, and not an awful lot in regard to medicine or science and definitely no satelites. Fascinating documentary of times past thank you.
Update: The wrecks of Erebus and Terror were found a few years ago. Turns out they were right where the Inuit always said they were. Needless to say, scholars are giving a lot more credence to Inuit oral histories nowadays.
jj abou, I heard that the wrecks were pretty close to where the Inuit said, not precisely of course, but close enough. Give them the credit they deserve.
Gary Mingy, as I recall, the Inuits reported that. Given the vital necessity for them to know the geography of the area, they knew that they were talking about, I'd bet my own life.
Oral history, just like all sources are considered by the best researchers especially when studying non western cultures. Far more interesting especially from a historiography point of view
Any Americans or Canadians watching this who have ever wondered what's meant by the British phrase of having 'a stiff upper-lip', watch the extract from 40:08 to 40:56....even as a Brit, it gives me the chills. Poor guy!
Interesting documentary. I've never really knew about this expedition. There was another documentary that I watched that briefly mentioned it and said that it was lead contamination from cans that caused the deaths. This video has changed my whole perspective on this subject. Ironically, 1846 was the same year the Donner Party got trapped in the Sierra Nevada Mtns. and here was another group that got stuck during the winter.
Incredible fortitude and courage, to venture into the unknown for the furtherance of knowledge. A terrible fate. This is a terrific documentary; so evocative of the diligence and attention to facts of the early History Channel. Kudos to the researchers, producers and writers.
59:00 Thank you for including this amazing example of respect for human life. On many expeditions the Inuit saved a lot of explorers in the Artic. They always did what they could, but the Artic cannot support 140 men in one place at one time.The Inuit knew this.. the Brits did not.
Inuit people saved my great great grandfather’s life on two separate occasions during two different polar expeditions (USS Polaris Expedition in the early 1870s and the USS Jeannette Expedition in the late 1870s). Both voyages ended in tragedy for the captains (Captain Hall and Captain De Long) who perished along with many of their fellow shipmates. My great great grandfather survived being marooned on an ice floe with 15 of his fellow shipmates for 6 months in the inhospitable arctic conditions due to the survival and hunting skills of an Inuit couple that Captain Hall had recruited to join the expedition. He only survived the Jeannette expedition because a couple of Inuit hunters just happened to find him and one of his shipmates, on the brink of death from starvation and severe frostbite, as they were sheltering in an Inuit hunting shack they had stumbled upon in northern Siberia (Lena Delta region) after they were sent ahead by Captain De Long to try to reach help for their Captain and shipmates who had already grown too weak from starvation and exposure to proceed any further. He remained extremely grateful to the Inuit people and spoke/wrote very highly of them for the reminder of his life.
Also, by the time the Inuit came across the men from the expedition, they were stark raving mad. Starving and suffering from various diseases caused by vitamin deficiencies that affected their minds. The Inuit tried to help the ones they found, but the men didn’t react well. I read a couple of accounts of the Inuit trying to help, but being rebuffed. Though I also read that the last time the men were seen by the Inuit was in 1851, 3 years after they abandoned the ships. I doubt they could have lasted that long with help from the Inuit.
@@lori5353 I read fascinating accounts of both these expeditions in Farley Mowat's "The Polar Passion" about 40 years ago. His Arctic exploration trilogy were my introduction to Arctic exploration and I have been hooked ever since. How amazing to have this history in your own family tree!
@@myback2032 My great great grandfather was William FC Nindemann. I had no idea about the family history until I inherited an old trunk full of his personal belongings a few years ago. The trunk had been sitting, untouched, in my parents attic for 50+ years. One of the items it contained was the commemorative medal he was awarded by the US Congress on Sept 30th 1890. It also contained some photos, a few pocket knives, a polar bear tooth and a walrus tooth (had to take them to a local university for identification), a patent he was awarded in 1901, a big Ritchie Naval ship compass dated 1895, a sterling silver mens grooming kit, some cuff links, a few first edition books about polar exploration, and some polar maps from the 1870s with hand markings. : )
@@lori5353 I've googled your great great grandpa and what an amazing Arctic exploration career he had! In addition to the two expeditions you mentioned, he was also part of a rescue mission for the Greely expedition. I think I need to go back and re-read the Mowat book, this expedition was also included. Have you ever read Hampton Sides book "In the Kingdom of Ice"? That was an account of the USS Jeanette expedition, certainly your ancestor would have been a key contributor to this. I haven't read it yet, on my to-do list :-)
She has a lovely inscription on the tribute at Westminster Abbey. I paraphrase but it is like '...who, spending many years searching for her husband in this life, went on to meet him in the next'
Of course there was canabalism, the local reports of it, the cut marks, the man clutching his rifle as if to say “not me”.... one can imagine a casting of lots. What I can also imagine is someone thinking, I’m not letting you kill me for food. What one cannot imagine is the frightening psychological desperation.
I remember one of those radio shows I used to listen to during lunch Paul Harvey he talked about cannibalism on the high seas heavy stuff n e jest of story was the whole event was story written about 200 years before it happen but Edgar Allen Poe.
There was no cannibalism. The majority of cuts being found about the hands/heads of the remains was more than enough of an indication to convince anyone with common sense.
It will be interesting to see how things progress since they found the HMS Erebus in 2014 and HMS Terror in 2016. I look forwarded to an updated documentary at some point.
A great thought-provoking who-done-it showing how theories become "facts" over the years. Plus their rendition of "Lady Franklins' Lament" was really touching. I looked all over TH-cam to see if it was available but no luck. A reminder of the days when the History Channel was a must-watch.
40:38 "I got the ends of the fingers in the drawer over there" Jesus fucking Christ just how deadpan and calmly that dude said that just absolutely destroyed me lol
Can't tell whether this is just my nostalgia for the kind of TV they made when I was still an impressionable young boy, or modern TV is simply too overproduced, too shiny, too slick, too polished.
They found both ships. No skeletons in there. So he was buried in the place where the Inuit thinks he is. I have to say I was impressed by his thoughts and his grieving. I really appreciate his knownledge and care. So basis and sober. The way we should all be. And he doesn't get lost in the snowy world. That is amazing too. A blizzard is a confusing thing and snow looks the same all around you. Still he knows where the skull is, without marking. I am glad Franklin had such a great wife. What she did was amazing! And because of her, we know a little more about what happened. Deep respect to the dude that went to search and sled around there and found stuff. Seriously brave. Or crazy, I don't know.
@@escopiliatese3623 How can you said that when we all know that all this poor man we're starving to death and on top of that the poisoning can food who leads all of them to make bad decisions????
@@escopiliatese3623 For this kind of expeditions you need people that can be a very good team. Do you know the Dutch expedition that survived the arctic winter on Novy Zemlya, a couple of CENTURIES earlier than Franklin? Their ship also got stuck in the arctic ice, so they built a wooden "shed" on Novy Zemlyia. The skipper Willem Barentsz understood, that they needed to live a sailors live, on shore, having a watch for polar bears, a church ceremony every sunday, celebrate the Christian holy days, even having fun. One of the things they thought very funny, was making a statue out of a large polar bear. They shot the bears for safety reasons. Imagine shooting your musket, in a snow storm, facing a hungry polar bear, after you tried shouting and scaring it off. After shooting this bear, two or three men kept the dead bear on its feet, until it was frozen solid, a huge white teddy bear. But the story didn't end that well. They hunted and set traps, they survived a severe arctic winter. Perhaps two or three. The ship did not see liquid water anymore. The remaining number of men rigged a rowing sloop, and sailed south. I don't remember how few of them reached the Russian mainland and eventually their home. Skipper Barentsz got ill and died in the sloop. The search for a passage had failed, in a very early stage. They had no idea what to expect, there were several theories and world maps. Even today planning that north passage is not that easy, summer is short, you need the ice breakers and the authorities are taking care of each ship, avoiding fatal accidents. For it is, still, very dangerous.
I am very pleased to have come across this. After having read the book Borrow's Boys, I came to feel that every child should read this book! And now they can watch and listen to a documentary that aught to be shown in all schools. Thank you for uploading !
Few documentaries *ever* point out those steam engines were purchased from a train yard. They were rated for 25hp and probably produced about 20shp, achieving 4knts. They stowed enough coal on board for about 12 days use. For comparison, the US had already used a 120hp marine steam engine in 1812 capable of pushing a floating battery 4 times Terror and Erebus' weight, and with far more aquadynamic resistance to over 5.5knts. That engine consumed little more coal. 20:20 The boiler wasn't even used until they reached the Ice. But Erebus and Terror *were* towed out to sea at the start of their expedition, by a paddle steamer, with over 200hp. The so called high tech engines were not designed for what they were being asked to do, and were almost nothing in comparison to marine engines already in use. But they were offered a nice cheap deal when sourcing the engines from the trainyard.
They didnt even stand a chance of getting out of any ice packs if they did get stuck. Between the steam engines and the actual boats everything was working against them, considering the conditions that year were the worst seen.
@@syd1764 They understood that they were likely to get iced in for a season. They had expected a summer melt that would allow them to carry on. They thought that they had packed enough food and supplies to last a few years. One winter in the ice was almost guaranteed.
Hi I had a book a few years go by Arthur C Clark and it had a a picture of the preserved corpse off one of the a sailors off the Franklin expedition. I threw the book away in the picture freaked me out so much. Thanks for uploading very interesting . Greetings from Portsmouth England Union Jack 🇬🇧
Such a fascinating piece of history and the fact they found so many remnants of the expedition and the crew members themselves over a century later. Nature is truly a beast if you end up on the wrong side of her. 😱
It was 50 years later that the North West passage was successfully navigated. The last Viking, Roald Amundsen was the first. First to reach the South Pole also. Amundsen was the greatest Artic explorer.
Thankfully, I've always loved history, from the time I was around 8 years-old (and I'm many decades older now). How grade school history didn't knock it out of me I don't know. I don't know what modern grade-school classes are like, bit If only history teachers taught history like TV can, and take time to discuss what people really would love to have insight to: the historical people themselves, and what were their daily lives like. Being interested in history and also being Canadian I'm familiar with the story, and it's always so poignant. However I've never seen it presented in so touching a way. I'm only a quarter of the way into it and I'm already feeling **especially** sad for these people, dead almost 200 years. It's wonderful to have insights into their character and how other people saw them. Sounds like a crew of good people. It's invaluable, this kind of knowledge about the people who went before us. PS: if you want an excellent and evocative sea-shanty style song about the final voyage, check out Stan Rogers' "Northwest Passage". One of my favourite songs for ages, but I'm going to listen to it again now that I know more about the actual people. ♥️
History is my absolute favorite interest in my life. I learn something new every day. Unfortunately, I didn’t learn much in my high school history class. Always the same way it has been: Read an outdated textbook and then answer the questions at the end. Even in 2018, we used textbooks.
I recommend reading "Erebus" by Michael Palin. After reading it twice, and watching this video, it all fits together very well. "Erebus" tells the story of HMS Erebus's and HMS Terror's Antarctic/Arctic voyages with great historical detail. Fascinating.
Dude - same! Just sitting here watching and all of a sudden my guy casually mentions how he cut his fingers off a few weeks ago and has them in a drawer a few feet away! 😂
Your comment reveals a lot about yourself. You are definitely someone that avoids pain and suffering at all cost. When you suffer you learn a little more about yourself and the world around you. When you avoid it, you don’t even know why your here.
At 14:16 in the video, they reenacted a scene on the ship where Captain Franklin toasts “my wife Lady Franklin (Jane) and daughter Eleanor” his daughter Eleanor was born to his FIRST wife, and the mother and baby died the same year it was born! And we’re not entirely sure what the baby’s name even was because the mother was also called Eleanor!! Both of whom died 20 years before this!!
Barrow's Boys by Fergus Fleming is a great read.(A mix of tragedy and farce, this tale tells the story of John Barrow, Second Secretary to the Admiralty. Between 1816 and 1845 his teams of naval officers partook in an ambitious programme of exploration, scouring the world's undiscovered territories, unprepared for the conditions they would face)
This is a great documentary....LOVED IT!! Sometimes I believe I would much rather prefer those times, as compared with our own. The spirit of adventure captured in that era of exploration is admirable. Even more so, considering the amount of deprivation and suffering as was the case here with these sailors of the British Navy. HERES TO THIER SACRIFICES FOR GOD AND COUNTRY, GOD SAVE THE QUEEN. --This from one that just loves history and the study of it all day long. Gene Aiken II in Gatlinburg, Tn., U.S.A.
Yeah I had to celebrate that alone constantly told this story to friends.now as a adult it boggles my mind that I have bought canned goods and they have gone bad after 2yrs world end we are doomed lol
@@vincentconti3633 haha yeah I guess I am gettin old too because if that was supposed to make sense in some way It went way over my head...Teresa Wright please explain!
“Cut marks mean attack, not cannibalism.” First, they were down to the bone, and sometimes several parallel scratches right next to each other (as per another documentary). A bit precise for a fight, especially against Inuit who had few metal weapons. Second, on the feet/ankles as well as hands? Doesn’t seem to fit an attack.
@Wal Leece Not cannibalism, but I have cut up dead bodies for hours (anatomy lab pre-med school and then during med school), as well as spent months in Surgery and ER rotations, including stitching up wounds under many circumstances, including knife wounds. But as I said in the OP, there is another doc clearly showing magnified, repeated, parallel cuts on the wrist and ankle bones from the expedition, which to me is pretty persuasive. It was rare for knife wounds to reach bone in my ER experience, and unheard of for there to be multiple cuts on bone right next to each other.
@@mamavswild They were not. The Inuit actually remember the winters of 1845-1850 as "the savage/merciless winter"-where infanticide and desperation to find food were rampant. If they were struggling to survive, the expedition members certainly were as well, and given they would be far more desperate than the actual inhabitants of the land were, they out of any of the parties involved would be the ones to initiate violence out of desperation.
I highly recommend Farley Mowat’s “ Top of the World “ trilogy. An historical collection of diaries, journals and maps of many Articles explorers; it will immerse you in the experience of theses incredible explorations. I’m rereading them right now as the snow starts to fall.
I read the book, "Frozen in Time", and so wanted to catch this documentary to find out more about the heroic and very human characters of Sir Franklin and his men. (I wish I could see computer "life reconstructions" of the faces of poor Torrington, Braine and Hartnell.) I still believe that lead poisoning (along with scurvy) could have affected the minds of all of these men. Also - Unlike the Inuit people, these 19th century Europeans were not so well equipped to deal with Arctic conditions. So terribly sad!
@@jamesfracasse8178 Hubris. Thinking they were better than those uncivilized people who had to resort to wearing pelts, in climate where pelts make hell lot more sense than "civilized" wool and leather clothes and shoes. Top minds in the field of arctic exploration was more about bringing information to the empire's heart than about actually surviving in the climate they were exploring if things went arse up.
@@stonefox2546 The britisch polar expeditions always made the same mistake over again: They took too many people! It was madness to take 130 men to such an expedition, Sometimes less is really better than more. 60 years after Franklin, the Northwest Passage was made by Roald Amundsen, who came with the little ship called Gjoa, and six men with him. They spent the winter in an Inuit settlement, and they learned a lot of them, how to live and survive in the Arctic. I think, Franklin and his crew would never had dreamed of learning anything from the Inuit...
45:40 hes in denial. This is why "military historian" isnt really a field of study and is more a passion or hobby for military enthusiasts. Research requires understanding historiography. He doesn't only discount the native oral histories but stops short of calling them all bloody savages
I`m glad that you caught that too! So, this "Historian" is implying that the Inuit attacked and killed the remaining survivors?? What a stupid bigoted statement! The Inuit people are and always have been peaceful, and most certainly would have sheltered, fed, and cared for Franklin`s men had they met up in those dire circumstances. Also, for Him to say that the Inuit "lived on the edge of survival" is quite incorrect. The Inuit have lived in their traditional ways for thousands of years, and have survived just fine in harmony with nature. Canada`s northern-most islands are part of two Provincial mainland territories, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, and those areas (as well as northern Yukon, northern Quebec, northern Alaska and northwestern Greenland) are the Inuit`s ancestral homeland. The Inuit are not, and never have been, the murderous savages that this "Historian" implies.
@@seankelly7211 I'd agree with your remarks and the others completely. The trouble with freemasons is that their inculcation urges them to defend any members of the secret society without any boundaries & no matter how many years ago in history. One of the saddest things is that establishment linked people are without doubt the architects of political correctness. Therefore such hostile racism is disturbing as the Inuit did not harm franklins expedition in any way.
@@cameroncameron2826 I hope that I didn`t appear too angry in my defense of our Inuit people, and I totally agree with your comments about the Free Mason "Brotherhood"!
@@seankelly7211 Not at all too angry. An adverse social phenomenon with respect to tribal aspects of a certain western oral tradition has frequently attempted to place important records concerning the inuit incorrectly. Therefore such is only quintessential within a social conscience that knows better. Furthermore only wishes to be authentically human when speaking in support of the Inuit it would seem (to my humble opinion).
Hello William this is an Incredible story thankyou for sharing the editing is fantastic ! Greetings to anyone who reads this comment around the world ! We find old coins from this period in fields in England ! Everyone has a story ! Superb video and I really enjoyed watching. Thankyou for uploading and sharing.
Very powerful presentation! I'm mystified by the rugged storyteller guy at 40:08 talking about having frost bite a few months ago then they recently they sawed their fingers off for some air and and put them in the drawer over there. What!?? Truly reminds me of how my grandpop would've handled that situation. "Guess I better get the saw now!"
Thank you for sharing such an amazing und interesting documentary, Still do NOT understand the reason why those dislikes und thumbs down. These are historical cultural events, If you are on " Hip hop videos, Or violent movies " Well these kind of programs are not meant for you, Why dislike? Anyway I do advise to watch it🇳🇴🙋♂️🐺
@@Mallorypeckard Well done Mr. Greenwell, We have really enjoyed it, Such a remarkable historical experience. Britons do have something in common with Norway " Ok, during between 7th/10th Century " We were Definitely a pain in the a..e for Your ancestors, But have to admit YE OLDE BRITANNIA, Later on RULED over the seas. Remarkable was Sir Francis Drake" According today's standards " A legalized Pirate appointed by HRM the Queen, During an attack by Spanish Armada, He finished his game , Then defeated the felons. Please if you do have other videos, It would be a pleasure to watch them, Regards G.B🇳🇴🙋♂️🐺
@@GorgorothBergen-ns7il There is a Remembering the Franklin expedition facebook page,you should join it,there is a video section where I uploaded the Beechey island exhumations,I had to do it in three segments..
Thank you so much for this documentary. For the first time i met an alternative point of view on cannibalism in that expedition (but I still think that happened, anyway). And the end of the film is very touching.
They undoubtedly did eat some of the bodies, but I'm not persuaded by cuts on hands and feet. They aren't fleshy enough to bother with. Cuts on long bones would be more persuasive, and skulls cut open.
@@jturtle5318 The cuts on the hands and feet are either: 1. Signs of desperation: the meaty bits of the body that would be eaten first were gone, and thus they fell back to the hands and feet or 2. purposeful removal of "human-looking" parts of the bodies to make butchering their dead friends easier. A recent study finds that long bones show signs of being boiled in a pot (a sign that marrow was being extracted), some have cuts, and the inuit describe many skulls as having been smashed in or having had holes carved into them. Kamookak's skull in the vid may well have been the top part of a head that was cut open to get at the brain.
There is no denying they most definitely had to resort to cannibalism. I remember them saying bones were even boiled and scraped like they were trying to get to bone marrow. That's how hungry these men were. Their food situation was desperate with the bad canning. I always find the fierce denial of it bizarre, its a last resort in a desperate situation which this clearly was considering how far the bones go out into the land.
@@BotanyDegreePilkerton Yes. We are still limited to 1940s rocket tech. 🚀 We already failed in creating a sustainable enclosed environment with the Earth Biosphere project. They threw people into a huge hothouse in Arizona. They could not produce enough food and the oxygen levels got dangerously low in short order. They had to be pulled out. They also nearly started a little war in there also. We could not make a sustainable enclosed environment on earth. And, we are supposed to get it right on Mars?
Can we all agree the guy at 40:10 is insanely determined. I couldn't imagine cutting off my own fingers. And he's so calm about it! The consumate British gentleman. Edit: He is Sir Ranulph Fiennes. He cut off his frostbitten fingers after a solo attempt to the North Pole went bad. After he made it home. Holy shit.
Why would he even bother to go " Polar " exploring at such a recent point in time ?....I mean if that's what he wanted to do God bless him I just don't understand why ?
Really enjoyed this. I spent 2 years on Cornwallis Island 1963 and 1964., just a bit West of Beechey Island and was fortunate to visit the Island and see where they spent the winter of 1847. I was a member of the Joint Arctic Weather Stations (JAWS), jointly staffed by Canadian and American personnel, which existed from 1947 to 1972. The stations were then, and are now, manned by only Canadian staff.
Really pleased you enjoyed this.
That must have been such a wonderful experience
That's amazing
That's pretty cool, man! My roommate is up in Resolute Bay right now doing construction!
@prinecash that's amazing! I get sea sick so it wouldn't be for me . But very interesting indeed
Thank you for uploading this documentary. Louie Kamookak passed away in 2018, but I was moved very much by his words. Thanks to him, Erebus was discovered again.
Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.
The wreck of the Terror was discovered in 2016 south of King William Island in what's called Terror Bay. Both
sites are protected and combined as a National Historic Site. And exact locations have not been disclosed.
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I was wondering if Louie had lived to see the ships discovered
Thankyou to that Inuit man paying respect to the memory of that long lost seaman. It means a lot to people in Britain
His name is Louie Kamookak.
Sadly he died in 2018 from Cancer, at 58. He was very well respected in his field. A bit of a legend
I too was impressed by Mr. Kamookak's quiet demeanour and evident respect for the expedition. That RN nutjob who confidently asserted that the last expedition survivors were in fact murdered should be ashamed.
@@jb1934 Absolutely
@@jb1934 But he didn't say they were 'murdered' and he didn't say by who, just that the evidence suggests they were attacked. He said that the police forensic evidence suggests that the wounds to the hands and feet bones were caused by attack. That could have been attack from delirious crew-mates, or crew-mates who had reached the end of their mental sanity rope and had gone nuts. It could have been by Inuit maybe - maybe the delirious/crazy/starving crew members attacked a group of Inuit they came across? Who knows, it's awful if that did happen and I wish it had not, but I don't remember him saying specifically that the Inuit attacked the sailors.
Or as just several scenes earlier attested to, knives were used to cut the dead, frostbitten flesh away from living flesh, particularly on the hands and feet, and where were those 'attack' sign bones mostly found? The hands and feet. So those cuts to the bones could have just come from crew members cutting the dead flesh away of their hands and feet after frostbite or gangrene.
It's entirely possible that the guy is just grasping at something else other than the idea of the crew turning to cannibalism (which is an understandably reprehensible thing you hope your fellows don't submit to under the most desperate of circumstances). But at the same time, he didn't say that the Inuit set upon the crew. He just said that the cuts to the bones likely came from 'attacks', which could have a been a wide variety of explanations.
Thank you so much for uploading this intelligent, comprehensive, and moving documentary.
I was born and raised a few miles from Franklin's birthplace of Spilsby, Lincolnshire and the legend is well known here.
I've long been fascinated by the stories of polar exploration and knew the broad outlines of the story, but this programme began to fill in the details and raise other questions. It is quite a tale of courage and suffering.
The discovery of the two wrecks a few years ago of the ships may reveal a lot more information about what happened, though finding the captains' and officers' logs would be a real breakthrough in this research.
The role of Inuit testimony is also shedding new light on the events.
Thank you ,pleased you enjoyed it.
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Just started watching The Terror, excellent so far.
I'm here after my fifth or so re-watch. Probably my favorite show.
I loved the book just couldn’t get into the series I really wanted to but everybody say it’s great
Brilliant...just binge watched all 10 episodes on BBC iPlayer 👍
You think this is a game nigga? WU TANG!
TV series The Terror started well but rapidly descended into claptrap.
What a respectful, great and heart wrenching account of endurance and exploration. Even in my imagination I find it difficult to grasp the suffering these men went through. Absolute hell! What an amazing woman Jane Franklin was. Intelligent, faithful to the core and a heroine in her own unique way. Thank you for this production and upload. Btw a few months ago I watched The Terror drama on TV. A superb drama 👌🙏🏻😔
Thank you for this comment,pleased you enjoyed it,and Terror which I also enjoyed.
@@Mallorypeckard 👌👏
Loved it
I've watched this documentary three times and that song never fails to make me cry. It's called "Lady Jane's Lament", for anyone interested.
It does the same to me. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing. I was wondering.
Sinead O'Connor performed this song as Lord Franklin on her album Sean-Nõs Nua. It is a beautiful rendition
My favorite version of this is John Redbourn with Pentangle:
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@marycampbell9567 yes i love the music also
They don’t do documentary like this anymore. Precise, well explained, no dramatic replay and very informative.... those were good days.
Million thanks for uploading this sir.
Thank you,pleased you enjoyed it.
No skinsperts either
@E mills Why do you have to ruin everything good with your weird cultish bullshit? Seriously, every video these days, no matter the subject, has at least one of you guys lurking in the comments, talking about how great things were back in the good ol’ days. Stop. Please, just stop. SJWs didn’t ruin history. They continually shine a light on painful moments from our past that we are still dealing with today. I believe Ta Tum’s point, and correct me if I’m wrong, was that history documentaries, NOT ALL OF HISTORY ITSELF, were better before brain-melting reality tv crap took over all the science channels. You took a positive thing such as an old informative documentary being uploaded for everyone to see and made it negative. Stop with the code words and cult antics. Learn about topics such as cognitive dissonance and realistic conflict theory and maybe, just maybe you too can grow up.
FYI, I never comment on TH-cam videos, but I felt compelled after seeing YET ANOTHER negative comment on a completely non-political doc. Call me triggered. I don’t care and I don’t expect my comment to change your frankly sad worldview. I just want to watch my arctic exploration documentaries in peace. Maybe you should do the same.
They speak of these artic explores as if they were to first to voyage in these waters yet they all speak of whalers. Whalers who must have been there first. ??
@@redwater4778 just because whalers went there doesn't mean they got through to the west.
Excellent documentary. They did a great job showing all the sides of the arguments. We miss you history channel.
Pleased you enjoyed it.
Oh, Ralph, I sympathize with your circumstances and admire your solution, but @ 40:40 I must say you provided me with the loudest outburst of laughter I've had since the beginning of the Cov-19 lockdown. Thank you, Mr. Fiennes, your adherence to the "Pack it in, pack it out" mantra is highly esteemed.
Great, thank you 👍.
Like many other commenters, I'm touched by Louie Kamookak's interest in the fate of those men. The fact that the stories were passed down in Inuit oral history is a reminder that the stories of humanity are all intertwined. I'm sorry to hear that he has also passed away. R.I.P.
Nostalgia overload. Bravo on spreading accurate historical information instead of misinformation as the "history" channel of today does so frighteningly well.
Go legion!
Well, it would have been more truthful if they admitted that Aliens abducted the men and sunk the two ships. What are "they" hiding? Hmm? 😂
Oh my god… This is what I love! This type of documentaries!
I didn’t search for this video. YT recommended me this which is super rare
Pleased you enjoyed it.
Thank you so much for this. An excellent documentary. And how refreshing not to have it interrupted every couple of minutes by advertising!
Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it,there were adverts, but I managed to cut them out using the editor.
When History Channel was a history channel.
Yes,that's right.
Yes, before aliens, anticlimactic island digs& flea market acquisitions took over
Shut up. I'm an alien I ran out of gas and had to get back home. In order to do so I passed my intergalactic cock pump!
Exactly, I get storage wars on my regional History channel..wtf!
@@saroche Crap,isn't it.
The Terror miniseries supercharged my interest in the voyage, the vessels, and the men who crewed them.
It has for loads of people.
A pity the series descended into utter tripe.
@@malcolmn.pearson6103 You're referring to the second season?
@@tessafreyer6948either that or manbearpig-at least the manbearpig in the book was scary.
The scary thing is that he is half man, half bear, and half pig. I’m totally serial.
Crozier never got the recognition he deserved.as a person from Banbridge we were taught at school what a brilliant individual he was.in fact a direct decendant of his was in my class.
Yes I've been to Banbridge and seen the Crozier monument,and went inside the church too.
William I have lived in Banbridge all my life of 66 years and have never been in that church.but this week I intend to go and see the recognition for crozier.by the way have you read the book ,last man standing,which is all about crozier.brillant.
@@stephaniefleming2880 Yes I've read the book Last man standing by Michael Smith.an excellent read,Stephanie,when you go inside the church and look at the stone dedication to Crozier we noticed that they had spelt Arctic and Antarctic wrong,from memory the warden who showed us round was called Trevor,a lovely man.
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This is an old documentary, but one of the best I could find on TH-cam
Thanks.
Hi Tarquin - If you are interested in the most recent DNA analysis and research, it can obtained online. This research is spearheaded by Canadian Professor of Archaeology…Dr. Doug Stenton…from the University of Waterloo in Ontario Canada.
There are recent multiple documentaries outlining the cannibalism theory. Some are from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC), while others can be located at the Smithsonian and other credited locals/reseachers. It’s certainly not difficult to obtain…one merely needs to do an online search.
I hope this was helpful.
Cheers!🇨🇦
Crossed "Northwest Passage Expedition" off of my list of things to do after watching this.
Thanks , Bill, for uploading this. I came across it by sheer chance!
Thanks Marilyn,pleased you enjoyed it.
Love the Franklin Expedition. Been reading about it for over 30 years. Very good video. Thankyou
Thanks for your comment.
Aye me too.... kinda gasping for some new info now. Hopefully some info comes from the 2 ships....
@@ÉireForTheIrish Hms Terror is the best bet for finding something..
@@Mallorypeckard Yeah, I agree. The videos from Parks Canada were amazing. Just imagine what in Cpt Croziers office and desk...
Outstanding! This is the best documentary on the Franklin expedition I've seen.
Thanks Dani,pleased you enjoyed it.
I totally enjoyed this! I love reading about polar exploration in general and the Franklin expedition specifically
Fun fact since this came out in 2001. The ship Terror was found in 2016, sunken at the bottom of Terror bay. Funny how the naming worked out.
Well, the bay was named in honor of the ship.
But it was named in 1910, long before anyone knew exactly where the ship sank. So it’s still a bit of a coincidence.
@@lluviathewolfgirlApparently they want to rename King William island after Dianne Abbott the Labour party politician
That's terrible
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What an extraordinary story of human endeavor.
I got to hear about this story first from the song Lord Franklin. How life has changed since that time nothing of what we have now no planes, no drones, no phones, certainly not mobile!, no
internet, and not an awful lot in regard to medicine or science and definitely no satelites. Fascinating documentary of times past thank you.
Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.
God these old history channel documentaries are a welcomed and much needed blast from the past. They all have a "cozy" feel to them to me.
Totally agree.
Update: The wrecks of Erebus and Terror were found a few years ago.
Turns out they were right where the Inuit always said they were.
Needless to say, scholars are giving a lot more credence to Inuit oral histories nowadays.
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jj abou, I heard that the wrecks were pretty close to where the Inuit said, not precisely of course, but close enough. Give them the credit they deserve.
One mast was intact , above water about 5 feet
Gary Mingy, as I recall, the Inuits reported that. Given the vital necessity for them to know the geography of the area, they knew that they were talking about, I'd bet my own life.
Oral history, just like all sources are considered by the best researchers especially when studying non western cultures. Far more interesting especially from a historiography point of view
Any Americans or Canadians watching this who have ever wondered what's meant by the British phrase of having 'a stiff upper-lip', watch the extract from 40:08 to 40:56....even as a Brit, it gives me the chills. Poor guy!
Interesting documentary.
I've never really knew about this expedition. There was another documentary that I watched that briefly mentioned it and said that it was lead contamination from cans that caused the deaths.
This video has changed my whole perspective on this subject.
Ironically, 1846 was the same year the Donner Party got trapped in the Sierra Nevada Mtns. and here was another group that got stuck during the winter.
Pleased you enjoyed it.
Brilliant observation
Icy cannibalism all around!
Thank you so much for uploading these and this one in its entirety. I saw the post in the group. Much appreciated.
Thank you so much.
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Incredible fortitude and courage, to venture into the unknown for the furtherance of knowledge. A terrible fate.
This is a terrific documentary; so evocative of the diligence and attention to facts of the early History Channel. Kudos to the researchers, producers and writers.
I miss the old history channel,pleased you enjoyed it.
The Inuit are and should not be touted as the killers of these men .
Well don Bill for uploading this film. It is a great introduction to this topic and an incentive for further study.
Thank you so much George,much appreciated.
Now this is REAL history!!! Not stupid history like today! I miss this good stuff!! Thank you for uploading this!
No bother,pleased you enjoyed it.
This is really great. Very, very interesting.
59:00 Thank you for including this amazing example of respect for human life. On many expeditions the Inuit saved a lot of explorers in the Artic. They always did what they could, but the Artic cannot support 140 men in one place at one time.The Inuit knew this.. the Brits did not.
Inuit people saved my great great grandfather’s life on two separate occasions during two different polar expeditions (USS Polaris Expedition in the early 1870s and the USS Jeannette Expedition in the late 1870s). Both voyages ended in tragedy for the captains (Captain Hall and Captain De Long) who perished along with many of their fellow shipmates. My great great grandfather survived being marooned on an ice floe with 15 of his fellow shipmates for 6 months in the inhospitable arctic conditions due to the survival and hunting skills of an Inuit couple that Captain Hall had recruited to join the expedition. He only survived the Jeannette expedition because a couple of Inuit hunters just happened to find him and one of his shipmates, on the brink of death from starvation and severe frostbite, as they were sheltering in an Inuit hunting shack they had stumbled upon in northern Siberia (Lena Delta region) after they were sent ahead by Captain De Long to try to reach help for their Captain and shipmates who had already grown too weak from starvation and exposure to proceed any further. He remained extremely grateful to the Inuit people and spoke/wrote very highly of them for the reminder of his life.
Also, by the time the Inuit came across the men from the expedition, they were stark raving mad. Starving and suffering from various diseases caused by vitamin deficiencies that affected their minds. The Inuit tried to help the ones they found, but the men didn’t react well. I read a couple of accounts of the Inuit trying to help, but being rebuffed. Though I also read that the last time the men were seen by the Inuit was in 1851, 3 years after they abandoned the ships. I doubt they could have lasted that long with help from the Inuit.
@@lori5353 I read fascinating accounts of both these expeditions in Farley Mowat's "The Polar Passion" about 40 years ago. His Arctic exploration trilogy were my introduction to Arctic exploration and I have been hooked ever since. How amazing to have this history in your own family tree!
@@myback2032 My great great grandfather was William FC Nindemann. I had no idea about the family history until I inherited an old trunk full of his personal belongings a few years ago. The trunk had been sitting, untouched, in my parents attic for 50+ years. One of the items it contained was the commemorative medal he was awarded by the US Congress on Sept 30th 1890. It also contained some photos, a few pocket knives, a polar bear tooth and a walrus tooth (had to take them to a local university for identification), a patent he was awarded in 1901, a big Ritchie Naval ship compass dated 1895, a sterling silver mens grooming kit, some cuff links, a few first edition books about polar exploration, and some polar maps from the 1870s with hand markings. : )
@@lori5353 I've googled your great great grandpa and what an amazing Arctic exploration career he had! In addition to the two expeditions you mentioned, he was also part of a rescue mission for the Greely expedition. I think I need to go back and re-read the Mowat book, this expedition was also included. Have you ever read Hampton Sides book "In the Kingdom of Ice"? That was an account of the USS Jeanette expedition, certainly your ancestor would have been a key contributor to this. I haven't read it yet, on my to-do list :-)
Great meeting you Billy. Great upload. I look forward to watching this later. Thanks so much. Chris
You too Chris,you're a man of your word,thanks for everything and enjoy it.
Big respect for lady Jane for not giving up on the search when others did
She has a lovely inscription on the tribute at Westminster Abbey. I paraphrase but it is like '...who, spending many years searching for her husband in this life, went on to meet him in the next'
Of course there was canabalism, the local reports of it, the cut marks, the man clutching his rifle as if to say “not me”.... one can imagine a casting of lots. What I can also imagine is someone thinking, I’m not letting you kill me for food. What one cannot imagine is the frightening psychological desperation.
Agreed. It was common for ship wrecked and lost at sea people to do it and for that matter whenever there are starvation events like the Donner party.
I remember one of those radio shows I used to listen to during lunch Paul Harvey he talked about cannibalism on the high seas heavy stuff n e jest of story was the whole event was story written about 200 years before it happen but Edgar Allen Poe.
There was no cannibalism.
The majority of cuts being found about the hands/heads of the remains was more than enough of an indication to convince anyone with common sense.
@@John.Flower.Productionsall the experts and witnesses disagree wit you that there was no cannibalism. But of course you know best.
@@MarlboroughBlenheim1 The actual expert in the video agrees with me, as does all reason/probability.
Such a wonderful documentary. I keep coming back to watch it again!
Thanks Todd.
It will be interesting to see how things progress since they found the HMS Erebus in 2014 and HMS Terror in 2016. I look forwarded to an updated documentary at some point.
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Along with a documentary, drawers full of readable documents would be splendid! Cheers
@@TheCarnivalguy every weekend yes
And they found Shackletons ship
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The casualness with which he describes sawing off his own fingertips….I’m horrified and impressed simultaneously.
He probably ate his fingers ,
If John Franklin was able to eat his boots to survive, surely you could eat sawed off fingers.
A great thought-provoking who-done-it showing how theories become "facts" over the years. Plus their rendition of "Lady Franklins' Lament" was really touching. I looked all over TH-cam to see if it was available but no luck.
A reminder of the days when the History Channel was a must-watch.
Thanks for your comment.
40:38 "I got the ends of the fingers in the drawer over there"
Jesus fucking Christ just how deadpan and calmly that dude said that just absolutely destroyed me lol
For real...just sawing his own fingers off...idk how he survived mentally from that
Well it's just a museum artifact. It's not as if he chopped them off himself.
If I had just one finger in that barrel it would be an tuesday Granville.
Legend! That man has zero sentimentality!
Who the fuck is the guy who cut his own finger off!??
Can't tell whether this is just my nostalgia for the kind of TV they made when I was still an impressionable young boy, or modern TV is simply too overproduced, too shiny, too slick, too polished.
You can't beat a bit of nostalgia.
I highly recommend Scott Cookman's "Ice Blink" as a comprehensive book about the Franklin Expedition. Excellent read.
In the middle of reading 'The Terror' by Dan simmons and now obsessed by all things to do with the Franklin Expedition. Thank you for posting this.
No bother,pleased you enjoyed it,have you seen the Terror,with Jared Harris?
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@@Mallorypeckard Just watched first episode last night. Looking forward to watching the rest.
@@janetthompson1581 You'll enjoy it.
They found both ships. No skeletons in there. So he was buried in the place where the Inuit thinks he is.
I have to say I was impressed by his thoughts and his grieving. I really appreciate his knownledge and care. So basis and sober. The way we should all be.
And he doesn't get lost in the snowy world. That is amazing too. A blizzard is a confusing thing and snow looks the same all around you. Still he knows where the skull is, without marking.
I am glad Franklin had such a great wife. What she did was amazing! And because of her, we know a little more about what happened. Deep respect to the dude that went to search and sled around there and found stuff. Seriously brave. Or crazy, I don't know.
Francis Crozier is the real hero of the story, not Franklin, who was well-intentioned but his confidence created arrogance, and later incompetence.
We can thank the locals for just remembering were the ships were located
what the fuck are you talking about? this comment makes no sense at all, you sound like a lunatic.
@@escopiliatese3623 How can you said that when we all know that all this poor man we're starving to death and on top of that the poisoning can food who leads all of them to make bad decisions????
@@escopiliatese3623 For this kind of expeditions you need people that can be a very good team. Do you know the Dutch expedition that survived the arctic winter on Novy Zemlya, a couple of CENTURIES earlier than Franklin? Their ship also got stuck in the arctic ice, so they built a wooden "shed" on Novy Zemlyia. The skipper Willem Barentsz understood, that they needed to live a sailors live, on shore, having a watch for polar bears, a church ceremony every sunday, celebrate the Christian holy days, even having fun. One of the things they thought very funny, was making a statue out of a large polar bear. They shot the bears for safety reasons. Imagine shooting your musket, in a snow storm, facing a hungry polar bear, after you tried shouting and scaring it off. After shooting this bear, two or three men kept the dead bear on its feet, until it was frozen solid, a huge white teddy bear.
But the story didn't end that well. They hunted and set traps, they survived a severe arctic winter. Perhaps two or three. The ship did not see liquid water anymore. The remaining number of men rigged a rowing sloop, and sailed south. I don't remember how few of them reached the Russian mainland and eventually their home. Skipper Barentsz got ill and died in the sloop. The search for a passage had failed, in a very early stage. They had no idea what to expect, there were several theories and world maps. Even today planning that north passage is not that easy, summer is short, you need the ice breakers and the authorities are taking care of each ship, avoiding fatal accidents. For it is, still, very dangerous.
I am very pleased to have come across this. After having read the book Borrow's Boys, I came to feel that every child should read this book! And now they can watch and listen to a documentary that aught to be shown in all schools. Thank you for uploading !
I've read Barrow's boy's too,pleased you enjoyed the documentary.
Few documentaries *ever* point out those steam engines were purchased from a train yard. They were rated for 25hp and probably produced about 20shp, achieving 4knts. They stowed enough coal on board for about 12 days use. For comparison, the US had already used a 120hp marine steam engine in 1812 capable of pushing a floating battery 4 times Terror and Erebus' weight, and with far more aquadynamic resistance to over 5.5knts. That engine consumed little more coal.
20:20 The boiler wasn't even used until they reached the Ice. But Erebus and Terror *were* towed out to sea at the start of their expedition, by a paddle steamer, with over 200hp.
The so called high tech engines were not designed for what they were being asked to do, and were almost nothing in comparison to marine engines already in use. But they were offered a nice cheap deal when sourcing the engines from the trainyard.
They didnt even stand a chance of getting out of any ice packs if they did get stuck. Between the steam engines and the actual boats everything was working against them, considering the conditions that year were the worst seen.
What needs to be acknowledged is that they ate each others buns
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@@syd1764 They understood that they were likely to get iced in for a season. They had expected a summer melt that would allow them to carry on. They thought that they had packed enough food and supplies to last a few years. One winter in the ice was almost guaranteed.
This turns out good a doc can be! Very very good. It olso details every part" Much than ones in the past. Thank-you for making this very good doc!
Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.
Hi I had a book a few years go by Arthur C Clark and it had a a picture of the preserved corpse off one of the a sailors off the Franklin expedition. I threw the book away in the picture freaked me out so much. Thanks for uploading very interesting . Greetings from Portsmouth England Union Jack 🇬🇧
Pleased you enjoyed it,greetings from Sunderland.
Most people are starved for real information like that shown in this documentary. Thank you.
No bother,pleased you enjoyed it.
@@Mallorypeckard Can u clarify a little, I'm dumb🤣
I really enjoyed this programme, so interesting!
Many thanks!
Pleased you enjoyed it.
Much obliged for this presentation.
Thank you.
That dude who turned down the journey to stay home with his wife successfully dodged being eaten
_That dude who turned down the journey to stay home with his wife successfully dodged being_ -eaten- attacked by Eskimos
I corrected that nonsense.
I like the Shackleton story the most 👌I went and saw the little boat 🛥️ the nimrod when it came to Sydney Australia 🇦🇺 few yrs ago now ❤
OMG at 59:36 when he's crying while re-burying the skull, I started crying too. What a great documentary, thank you!
Pleased you enjoyed it.
Such a fascinating piece of history and the fact they found so many remnants of the expedition and the crew members themselves over a century later. Nature is truly a beast if you end up on the wrong side of her. 😱
It was 50 years later that the North West passage was successfully navigated. The last Viking, Roald Amundsen was the first. First to reach the South Pole also. Amundsen was the greatest Artic explorer.
Flew over the North pole too,in an airship.
Wow 🤩
8:17 this is what we've lost folks. This greatness just isn't there anymore. I long for this sort of TV back.
Same here.
Props to Lady Franklin. She never gave up and in the end it paid off. Her husband was a lucky man.
She was just chasing a naval pension payout 🤣
@@geert574 For the amount of effort she put in I'd say she deserves the payout
Having a devoted wife like her is such a rarity these days.
@@RedWolf777SG a wife devoted to herself isn't too difficult to find. Just close your eyes and point in any direction.
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Informative, well made, respectful. My fav documentary on the topic
Yes,It's a good one.
Thankfully, I've always loved history, from the time I was around 8 years-old (and I'm many decades older now). How grade school history didn't knock it out of me I don't know. I don't know what modern grade-school classes are like, bit If only history teachers taught history like TV can, and take time to discuss what people really would love to have insight to: the historical people themselves, and what were their daily lives like.
Being interested in history and also being Canadian I'm familiar with the story, and it's always so poignant. However I've never seen it presented in so touching a way. I'm only a quarter of the way into it and I'm already feeling **especially** sad for these people, dead almost 200 years. It's wonderful to have insights into their character and how other people saw them. Sounds like a crew of good people.
It's invaluable, this kind of knowledge about the people who went before us.
PS: if you want an excellent and evocative sea-shanty style song about the final voyage, check out Stan Rogers' "Northwest Passage".
One of my favourite songs for ages, but I'm going to listen to it again now that I know more about the actual people. ♥️
History is my absolute favorite interest in my life. I learn something new every day.
Unfortunately, I didn’t learn much in my high school history class. Always the same way it has been: Read an outdated textbook and then answer the questions at the end. Even in 2018, we used textbooks.
such quality, this documentary is a gem.
Certainly is.
I recommend reading "Erebus" by Michael Palin. After reading it twice, and watching this video, it all fits together very well. "Erebus" tells the story of HMS Erebus's and HMS Terror's Antarctic/Arctic voyages with great historical detail. Fascinating.
Yes I read Erebus,great book.
Erebus is a great book by Michael Palin, a member of the Monty Python group, brilliantly researched
Absolutely magnificent programme....
Thank you.
Frostbite guy really caught me off guard 😂
Dude - same! Just sitting here watching and all of a sudden my guy casually mentions how he cut his fingers off a few weeks ago and has them in a drawer a few feet away! 😂
Big time lol
40:10 I love the reveal after he moves his hands apart 🤝😮
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Your comment reveals a lot about yourself. You are definitely someone that avoids pain and suffering at all cost. When you suffer you learn a little more about yourself and the world around you. When you avoid it, you don’t even know why your here.
At 14:16 in the video, they reenacted a scene on the ship where Captain Franklin toasts “my wife Lady Franklin (Jane) and daughter Eleanor” his daughter Eleanor was born to his FIRST wife, and the mother and baby died the same year it was born! And we’re not entirely sure what the baby’s name even was because the mother was also called Eleanor!! Both of whom died 20 years before this!!
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Barrow's Boys by Fergus Fleming is a great read.(A mix of tragedy and farce, this tale tells the story of John Barrow, Second Secretary to the Admiralty. Between 1816 and 1845 his teams of naval officers partook in an ambitious programme of exploration, scouring the world's undiscovered territories, unprepared for the conditions they would face)
Yes I've read Barrow's Boys,I enjoyed reading the biographies in the epilogue of all the major player that were involved.
Fantastic documentary. Thank You for upload Mr William :)
No bother,pleased you enjoyed it.
This is a great documentary....LOVED IT!! Sometimes I believe I would much rather prefer those times, as compared with our own. The spirit of adventure captured in that era of exploration is admirable. Even more so, considering the amount of deprivation and suffering as was the case here with these sailors of the British Navy. HERES TO THIER SACRIFICES FOR GOD AND COUNTRY, GOD SAVE THE QUEEN. --This from one that just loves history and the study of it all day long. Gene Aiken II in Gatlinburg, Tn., U.S.A.
Thanks Gene,pleased you enjoyed it.
I think such times are bound to return soon, but this time it's going to be in space! :)
Fantastic documentary! Held my attention, wide eyed, all the way through!
Pleased you enjoyed it.
The library was my internet back in the day....back during the ancient 1980s.
Great upload. Thanks. Fascinating stuff.
Thanks.
At this day, they have already found both ships, HMS Erebus (1826) in 2014 and HMS Terror (1813) in 2016.
Yeah I had to celebrate that alone constantly told this story to friends.now as a adult it boggles my mind that I have bought canned goods and they have gone bad after 2yrs world end we are doomed lol
@@teresawright4454 your comment make no sense at all what the fuck are you talking about?
@@AsTheWheelsTurn thanks for that! I'm gettin' old!!! Wtf? A kid?
@@vincentconti3633 haha yeah I guess I am gettin old too because if that was supposed to make sense in some way It went way over my head...Teresa Wright please explain!
thanks for the translation Yar haha
I agree. There was once a channel called "The History Channel" glad folks like these step up and provide History.
“Cut marks mean attack, not cannibalism.” First, they were down to the bone, and sometimes several parallel scratches right next to each other (as per another documentary). A bit precise for a fight, especially against Inuit who had few metal weapons. Second, on the feet/ankles as well as hands? Doesn’t seem to fit an attack.
Yes,I believe it was cannabilism,as do most others,Ernie Coleman is in the minority.
maybe they tried bleeding him out and trying to purify his body tto hopefully rid any disease .... i doubt they ate him with a fire so
@Wal Leece Not cannibalism, but I have cut up dead bodies for hours (anatomy lab pre-med school and then during med school), as well as spent months in Surgery and ER rotations, including stitching up wounds under many circumstances, including knife wounds.
But as I said in the OP, there is another doc clearly showing magnified, repeated, parallel cuts on the wrist and ankle bones from the expedition, which to me is pretty persuasive. It was rare for knife wounds to reach bone in my ER experience, and unheard of for there to be multiple cuts on bone right next to each other.
@@Itried20takennames Quite convincing indeed. Besides, I don’t think the Inuit are known for their warlike qualities.
@@mamavswild They were not. The Inuit actually remember the winters of 1845-1850 as "the savage/merciless winter"-where infanticide and desperation to find food were rampant. If they were struggling to survive, the expedition members certainly were as well, and given they would be far more desperate than the actual inhabitants of the land were, they out of any of the parties involved would be the ones to initiate violence out of desperation.
Wow. Ranulph Fiennes is an incredible arctic explorer.
He certainly is.
I highly recommend Farley Mowat’s “ Top of the World “ trilogy. An historical collection of diaries, journals and maps of many Articles explorers; it will immerse you in the experience of theses incredible explorations. I’m rereading them right now as the snow starts to fall.
I read the book, "Frozen in Time", and so wanted to catch this documentary to find out more about the heroic and very human characters of Sir Franklin and his men. (I wish I could see computer "life reconstructions" of the faces of poor Torrington, Braine and Hartnell.) I still believe that lead poisoning (along with scurvy) could have affected the minds of all of these men. Also - Unlike the Inuit people, these 19th century Europeans were not so well equipped to deal with Arctic conditions. So terribly sad!
Frozen in Time is the book that got me interested in the expedition too.
How could they have been ill prepared for the harsh conditions and environment when these men were top minds in the field of artic exploration?
@@jamesfracasse8178 Hubris. Thinking they were better than those uncivilized people who had to resort to wearing pelts, in climate where pelts make hell lot more sense than "civilized" wool and leather clothes and shoes. Top minds in the field of arctic exploration was more about bringing information to the empire's heart than about actually surviving in the climate they were exploring if things went arse up.
@@stonefox2546 'Civilised' wool and leather are obviously the pelts of animals too and they've been used by mankind for thousands of years.
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The britisch polar expeditions always made the same mistake over again:
They took too many people!
It was madness to take 130 men to such an expedition, Sometimes less is really better than more.
60 years after Franklin, the Northwest Passage was made by Roald Amundsen, who came with the little ship called Gjoa, and six men with him.
They spent the winter in an Inuit settlement, and they learned a lot of them, how to live and survive in the Arctic.
I think, Franklin and his crew would never had dreamed of learning anything from the Inuit...
45:40 hes in denial. This is why "military historian" isnt really a field of study and is more a passion or hobby for military enthusiasts. Research requires understanding historiography. He doesn't only discount the native oral histories but stops short of calling them all bloody savages
Dude these aren't bullshit artists 40:33
I`m glad that you caught that too! So, this "Historian" is implying that the Inuit attacked and killed the remaining survivors?? What a stupid bigoted statement! The Inuit people are and always have been peaceful, and most certainly would have sheltered, fed, and cared for Franklin`s men had they met up in those dire circumstances. Also, for Him to say that the Inuit "lived on the edge of survival" is quite incorrect. The Inuit have lived in their traditional ways for thousands of years, and have survived just fine in harmony with nature. Canada`s northern-most islands are part of two Provincial mainland territories, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, and those areas (as well as northern Yukon, northern Quebec, northern Alaska and northwestern Greenland) are the Inuit`s ancestral homeland. The Inuit are not, and never have been, the murderous savages that this "Historian" implies.
@@seankelly7211 I'd agree with your remarks and the others completely. The trouble with freemasons is that their inculcation urges them to defend any members of the secret society without any boundaries & no matter how many years ago in history. One of the saddest things is that establishment linked people are without doubt the architects of political correctness. Therefore such hostile racism is disturbing as the Inuit did not harm franklins expedition in any way.
@@cameroncameron2826 I hope that I didn`t appear too angry in my defense of our Inuit people, and I totally agree with your comments about the Free Mason "Brotherhood"!
@@seankelly7211 Not at all too angry. An adverse social phenomenon with respect to tribal aspects of a certain western oral tradition has frequently attempted to place important records concerning the inuit incorrectly. Therefore such is only quintessential within a social conscience that knows better. Furthermore only wishes to be authentically human when speaking in support of the Inuit it would seem (to my humble opinion).
I miss the History Channel airing amazing documentaries/ Shows such as this.
Me too.
fascinating and intelligent documentary thanks for sharing it with us. i miss tv like this
Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.
Self-amputation, while still having to save your life in unbearable circumstances and impossible odds! The suffering must have been colossal!
Thank you for uploading this!:)
Thank you,pleased you enjoyed it
Hello William this is an Incredible story thankyou for sharing the editing is fantastic ! Greetings to anyone who reads this comment around the world ! We find old coins from this period in fields in England ! Everyone has a story ! Superb video and I really enjoyed watching. Thankyou for uploading and sharing.
Pleased you enjoyed it.
Very powerful presentation! I'm mystified by the rugged storyteller guy at 40:08 talking about having frost bite a few months ago then they recently they sawed their fingers off for some air and and put them in the drawer over there. What!?? Truly reminds me of how my grandpop would've handled that situation. "Guess I better get the saw now!"
Sir Ranulph Fiennes, one of the last great explorers. He was the first person to cross Antarctica on foot.
Thanks for uploading this. Very interesting and informative
Pleased you enjoyed it.
Thank you for sharing such an amazing und interesting documentary, Still do NOT understand the reason why those dislikes und thumbs down. These are historical cultural events, If you are on " Hip hop videos, Or violent movies " Well these kind of programs are not meant for you, Why dislike? Anyway I do advise to watch it🇳🇴🙋♂️🐺
It's one of my favourite Franklin documentaries.this is from an old VHS tape I managed to keep over the years.
@@Mallorypeckard Well done Mr. Greenwell, We have really enjoyed it, Such a remarkable historical experience. Britons do have something in common with Norway " Ok, during between 7th/10th Century " We were Definitely a pain in the a..e for Your ancestors, But have to admit YE OLDE BRITANNIA, Later on RULED over the seas. Remarkable was Sir Francis Drake" According today's standards " A legalized Pirate appointed by HRM the Queen, During an attack by Spanish Armada, He finished his game , Then defeated the felons. Please if you do have other videos, It would be a pleasure to watch them, Regards G.B🇳🇴🙋♂️🐺
@@GorgorothBergen-ns7il I've tried to uplad others but they get blocked for copyright issues.
@@Mallorypeckard Appreciate your efforts, Well...At least you've tried 🇳🇴🙋♂️🐺
@@GorgorothBergen-ns7il There is a Remembering the Franklin expedition facebook page,you should join it,there is a video section where I uploaded the Beechey island exhumations,I had to do it in three segments..
Back when history channel was good
Yep.
Thank you so much for this documentary. For the first time i met an alternative point of view on cannibalism in that expedition (but I still think that happened, anyway). And the end of the film is very touching.
Thanks for your comment,It's a very underated documentary..
They undoubtedly did eat some of the bodies, but I'm not persuaded by cuts on hands and feet. They aren't fleshy enough to bother with. Cuts on long bones would be more persuasive, and skulls cut open.
@@jturtle5318 The cuts on the hands and feet are either:
1. Signs of desperation: the meaty bits of the body that would be eaten first were gone, and thus they fell back to the hands and feet
or
2. purposeful removal of "human-looking" parts of the bodies to make butchering their dead friends easier.
A recent study finds that long bones show signs of being boiled in a pot (a sign that marrow was being extracted), some have cuts, and the inuit describe many skulls as having been smashed in or having had holes carved into them. Kamookak's skull in the vid may well have been the top part of a head that was cut open to get at the brain.
There is no denying they most definitely had to resort to cannibalism. I remember them saying bones were even boiled and scraped like they were trying to get to bone marrow. That's how hungry these men were. Their food situation was desperate with the bad canning. I always find the fierce denial of it bizarre, its a last resort in a desperate situation which this clearly was considering how far the bones go out into the land.
Thank you , I really enjoyed this documentary 😊
Pleased you enjoyed it.
This shows me how safe a life I live. I am so fortunate to have been born in 1954 to see our present technology 💁♂️💁♀️
21:43 Thank you for fixing the audio that always cut out here.
We should be prepared for this to happen yet again as we reach for Mars and the Moon. The setting for disaster is similar and even more hostile.
Gonna be some fire 🔥 documentaries circa year 2350
I'm sure we've been to the Moon.
@@markhemming318 He prob meant moon bases
like icarus, trying to reach the thing that will end him, foolish waste of taxdollars, better to invest in permaculture no?
@@BotanyDegreePilkerton Yes. We are still limited to 1940s rocket tech. 🚀 We already failed in creating a sustainable enclosed environment with the Earth Biosphere project. They threw people into a huge hothouse in Arizona. They could not produce enough food and the oxygen levels got dangerously low in short order. They had to be pulled out. They also nearly started a little war in there also. We could not make a sustainable enclosed environment on earth. And, we are supposed to get it right on Mars?
Can we all agree the guy at 40:10 is insanely determined. I couldn't imagine cutting off my own fingers. And he's so calm about it! The consumate British gentleman.
Edit: He is Sir Ranulph Fiennes. He cut off his frostbitten fingers after a solo attempt to the North Pole went bad. After he made it home. Holy shit.
Well it was that or they rot n u die of sepsis. So yeah id figure out how 2 do it myself if choice was death
Why would he even bother to go " Polar " exploring at such a recent point in time ?....I mean if that's what he wanted to do God bless him I just don't understand why ?
@@ThomasFernerwhy do people still climb Mount Everest? Some people just thrive off of the challenge of a thing, whether or not it's necessary.
"He's resolutely British, but beneath that veneer he was a good man." 😀
Watched a program called the terror and found this real life documentary very interesting and enjoyable
Pleased you enjoyed it.
Fabulous. Extremely well done.
Yes,it's a programme that over the years has been overlooked.
Great documentary. I have just watch the Terror. Great series.
Yep,both great.
Excellent presentation, thanks for posting!
Pleased you enjoyed it.
Well researched and presented, thank you for posting this!
Thanks,pleased you enjoyed it.
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