This is the only vid on this planet, that you can find out how to connect the G-System to a guitar amp properly. Not even the official TC Electronics website shows you this and the manual is not very totally helpfull either. I did figure it out before i saw this today, but anyway, there it is. The only other thing, is to set the loop to lock in the global settings.
@guitfrank yes a drive in loop 1 -4 will always be "pre" amp input. (as far as the 4 cable method is concerned). no you cannot change the loops to go "post" if you have a pedal that you want to run after the pre-amped signal (which is the same as the internal delays and reverbs of g-system) you would put them after the OUTPUT of the g-system BEFORE they go into the RETURN of your amp. hop that helps.
Williams: A balanced cable for use between the G-system insert send and the amp input, as well as one between the amp send and the insert return. Even though your amp input and send are not balanced (unless it is a very unusual amp), the G-System does some “fancy” things when you use balanced cables in these locations. It is not like other devices in this regard. Many G-System users have noticed a significant improvement in signal quality when they switched to balanced cables at these locations.
more from Laird Williams: You will also note that many users have experienced significant signal improvements when the lead from the insert send to the amp input is balanced, even when the cable length is less than three feet. Further, the G-system outputs are also balanced - so if you use a balanced cable here then you are one small step from having a true balanced connection if you end up needing it. (More on how to determine this later)
Manual page 20: This loop is intended for a pre-amp. If cables longer than 3 feet are used, they should be balanced, even if the connectors on the pre-amp are unbalanced. When balanced cables are used, a special pseudo balanced circuit will reduce the noise which would occur when using unbalanced cables. hopefully this will help.
@orpheus06 your distortion will be an INSERT effect not a parallel effect so no, you cannot use a pedal to change the distortion volume on a stomp box. you cant change the distortion level on any distortion stomp box i know of. maybe im not getting your question.
that is exactly what is happening in this 4 cable system. it is allowing you to route your signal chain into this basic path. guitar -> Pedals-> Amp-> (effects in series or parallel) -> Cabinet.
dude, I'm waiting for the second part, concentrate on conections, specialy, if you can show some pictures of rack unit ant the floor unit, allso, changing the chanels on the amp with the g system, how do you do it?
@danilo26972 actually there is a noise gate. i get absolutely no noise whatsoever. the key is to use BALANCED cables for you set up. i didnt mention this before and i apologise. i am creating an new updated video about this. it should be posted next week or so. let me know if that helps.
sorry for taking a while to respond. i understand what you mean. trust me. here is a quote from laird williams white paper and directly from the tc electronics dev team and manual on the issue of balanced cables and why they are used on the g-system.
I'm hoping what you were meaning to say was "the key is to use high quality, shielded cables for your setup". Yes, balanced cables are quieter, but they are no quieter than unbalanced cable when plugging into an unbalanced source.
Hi! really helpfull video! I hope you can asnwer mi question, if i connect the G like you show in this video and i want to use 2 amps to work in Stereo, the only thing i should do is to connect a second amp to the Right Output of the G system?? Thanks!
man o man. i was to have a second video for this. i apologize for not having it up yet. i have been working on a new film...i will for sure this week work on part 2. thanks for watching everyone.
Hi mate, thanks for your response. So every active loop should use 2 balanced cables, one TRS for the pedal´s input, and the other TRS for the output? Can balanced cables be used on any type of pedal? Generally speaking, the only cable that should be unbalanced, must be the G´s output cable going to the amp, or the PA? Every other cable should be balanced? Please, help me get this thing right!
@MOLYKU an m13 config with g system will be complicated because of the stereo post effects on both units. its hard to run them both in parallel. i am trying to figure out the best way to do this.
Great explanatory video! I wonder how the G-System works to control other midi responsive units. I see that you can control de AXE ULTRA II. Was this easy? With the 4.0 version I got fed up of some parameters of the chorus not being translated properly from the computer to the G-System, thus entering them manually. I wonder if with the G-System and another software one could easily control additional switchers and rackable units via midi. Could you tell me your experience and tips, please?Thanks
Yes there is. I am currently running this setup because I love the separation. if you have the manual it is on page 26. basically the left and right output of the g-system goes into the return in on 2 different amps using them as monitors. The send output on the insert loop from the g-system goes to the return of your "dry" amp. This keeps your main amp unaffected and the other two to post delays and effects. one thing to remember is to set the effects as 100% wet or you will get a dry signal added to it and it will sound like trash.
Uhhhhh, why do you use TRS/balanced cables for your guitar? It's more than likely pointless, seeing as 99.9% of guitars and guitar amps do not have "balanced" inputs. And I'm fairly certain that the G-Major system has unbalanced inputs/outputs, as well. Sure you can plug a TRS cable into your Mono input and output jacks, but it literally does NOTHING. Go ahead, take apart your guitar, amp and G major system and I'll bet you they all only have a single contact point in the input/output jacks.
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This is the only vid on this planet, that you can find out how to connect the G-System to a guitar amp properly. Not even the official TC Electronics website shows you this and the manual is not very totally helpfull either. I did figure it out before i saw this today, but anyway, there it is. The only other thing, is to set the loop to lock in the global settings.
@guitfrank yes a drive in loop 1 -4 will always be "pre" amp input. (as far as the 4 cable method is concerned). no you cannot change the loops to go "post" if you have a pedal that you want to run after the pre-amped signal (which is the same as the internal delays and reverbs of g-system) you would put them after the OUTPUT of the g-system BEFORE they go into the RETURN of your amp. hop that helps.
Williams:
A balanced cable for use between the G-system insert send and the amp input, as well as one between the amp send and the insert return. Even though your amp input and send are not balanced (unless it is a very unusual amp), the G-System does some “fancy” things when you use balanced cables in these locations. It is not like other devices in this regard. Many G-System users have noticed a significant improvement in signal quality when they switched to balanced cables at these locations.
more from Laird Williams:
You will also note that many users have experienced significant signal improvements when the lead from the insert send to the amp input is balanced, even when the cable length is less than three feet. Further, the G-system outputs are also balanced - so if you use a balanced cable here then you are one small step from having a true balanced connection if you end up needing it. (More on how to determine this later)
@orpheus06 you can. there are expression pedals you can buy. you can add up to 2
Manual page 20:
This loop is intended for a pre-amp. If cables longer than 3 feet are used, they should be balanced, even if the connectors on the pre-amp are unbalanced. When balanced cables are used, a special pseudo balanced circuit will reduce the noise which would occur when using unbalanced cables.
hopefully this will help.
Thank you! Very, very helpful! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@sus4add13 yes you can. the g-system has channel switching capabilities for up 2 amp heads
@orpheus06 your distortion will be an INSERT effect not a parallel effect so no, you cannot use a pedal to change the distortion volume on a stomp box. you cant change the distortion level on any distortion stomp box i know of. maybe im not getting your question.
that is exactly what is happening in this 4 cable system. it is allowing you to route your signal chain into this basic path. guitar -> Pedals-> Amp-> (effects in series or parallel) -> Cabinet.
@darrenw5094 dude, you made my day. thanks for the compliments. i got more coming up.
@81giorikas yeah sorry i made a quick error on that. i noticed i said that but didnt want to re-edit the video :) thanks though for the insight.
@rottenroni thansk! hey man i got more coming. i wass working on the Avatar movie so i have been busy. im back now to help out
dude, I'm waiting for the second part, concentrate on conections, specialy, if you can show some pictures of rack unit ant the floor unit, allso, changing the chanels on the amp with the g system, how do you do it?
@amarr1 yeah your kinda stuck. only option you have is guitar -> g-system -> amp. like other pedal boards.
@danilo26972 actually there is a noise gate. i get absolutely no noise whatsoever. the key is to use BALANCED cables for you set up. i didnt mention this before and i apologise. i am creating an new updated video about this. it should be posted next week or so. let me know if that helps.
sorry for taking a while to respond. i understand what you mean. trust me. here is a quote from laird williams white paper and directly from the tc electronics dev team and manual on the issue of balanced cables and why they are used on the g-system.
The 4 cable method seems to eliminate the ability to channel switch the amp???
I'm hoping what you were meaning to say was "the key is to use high quality, shielded cables for your setup". Yes, balanced cables are quieter, but they are no quieter than unbalanced cable when plugging into an unbalanced source.
he he he, u sound like a programed computer giving instructions at 3:30, no offense, that was a great video by the way.
Hi! really helpfull video! I hope you can asnwer mi question, if i connect the G like you show in this video and i want to use 2 amps to work in Stereo, the only thing i should do is to connect a second amp to the Right Output of the G system?? Thanks!
man o man. i was to have a second video for this. i apologize for not having it up yet. i have been working on a new film...i will for sure this week work on part 2. thanks for watching everyone.
Any luck on the second video?
Hi mate, thanks for your response. So every active loop should use 2 balanced cables, one TRS for the pedal´s input, and the other TRS for the output? Can balanced cables be used on any type of pedal?
Generally speaking, the only cable that should be unbalanced, must be the G´s output cable going to the amp, or the PA? Every other cable should be balanced?
Please, help me get this thing right!
@MOLYKU an m13 config with g system will be complicated because of the stereo post effects on both units. its hard to run them both in parallel. i am trying to figure out the best way to do this.
Is it possible to use just the delays and reverbs in the amp loop, and the rest of the effects in front of the amp?
ok but what about if I want to add a volume pedal to control my drive( distortion ) volume?
Thnx a lot
Great explanatory video! I wonder how the G-System works to control other midi responsive units. I see that you can control de AXE ULTRA II. Was this easy? With the 4.0 version I got fed up of some parameters of the chorus not being translated properly from the computer to the G-System, thus entering them manually. I wonder if with the G-System and another software one could easily control additional switchers and rackable units via midi. Could you tell me your experience and tips, please?Thanks
Hey Dude, I am still waiting for part 2?
@bdalchow yeah the floor unit needs no power
@ecapainkiller i am doing that now. i know its been a while, but im back in the game. i been working on the avatar movie.
So u r going from ur guitar to...???
@vhalen101 yeah man, couldnt have done it without a handful of guys there. send me pics of your rig :)
Hi! Please I need some help about eh 4CM, which of this cables should be TRS-TRS or TS-TS?
Is there a way to use this with 3 amps in a ( Wet-Dry-Wet) Set up?
Yes there is. I am currently running this setup because I love the separation. if you have the manual it is on page 26. basically the left and right output of the g-system goes into the return in on 2 different amps using them as monitors. The send output on the insert loop from the g-system goes to the return of your "dry" amp. This keeps your main amp unaffected and the other two to post delays and effects. one thing to remember is to set the effects as 100% wet or you will get a dry signal added to it and it will sound like trash.
@orpheus06 guitar to g-system input.
@tragictheory thanks bro!
@davem04ify I've been trying to get that answer as well, so far it looks like a no-go.
what if you don't have an effects loop on your amplifier?
Then your SOL!
@laughingboy0068 thanks bud. suprised no one made fun of my hair haha
This is why rookies should stick to pedals. You'll save us all the crocodile tears and phone calls to Dr. Phil.
balanced cables should be used in all instances beside the guitar to g-system input and all the effect loops cables. so 3 balanced, 1 unbalanced.
Man this is the trademark 60 not the 30. 12 inch speaker 60 watts etc.
@deathwalker23 hahah too funny
@JuicyOverdrive its sick. wayy too sexy.
Uhhhhh, why do you use TRS/balanced cables for your guitar? It's more than likely pointless, seeing as 99.9% of guitars and guitar amps do not have "balanced" inputs. And I'm fairly certain that the G-Major system has unbalanced inputs/outputs, as well. Sure you can plug a TRS cable into your Mono input and output jacks, but it literally does NOTHING. Go ahead, take apart your guitar, amp and G major system and I'll bet you they all only have a single contact point in the input/output jacks.
this video upsets me.