You know at first I was a little peeved about my decks taking massive hits. But this video made me feel better by reminding me that LL format actually exists. Thanks!
Started playing flesh and blood literally a week ago, went to the Rosetta Prerelease and also bought Round the Table and a Mistveil Booster box. Pulled a Pathways and now i am well on board with Team Enigma :D This game is awesome!
@@mauvrion_fries very much so, people at the LGS were also super welcoming and nice, gifted me a bunch of packs and also told me if i needed any commons or rares i should just ask. I certainly will attend more events
Also, if anyone got budget deck lists for enigma, i'd appreciate any suggestions :D some staples are quite pricey, so i'd probably opt for some cheaper options
Bought my wife and I the Dual Blitz precons back in FABs first/second year of Dorinthea versus Rynar. Loved it and shelved our Magic decks for it. Then UB happened and the recent announcement only sealed the deal. Your videos helped convert me fully and the new Armory Ready decks are going to be my gateway into events near me. Thanks Frogman!
Fabs success in the competitive tcg world is also its biggest weakness. It always has been Most players are casual. Because of the level of depth and knowledge needed to succeed in CC, many players are not willing to commit the time or money to the game. The fun disappear and they go play lorcana mtg or whatever. They need to release the PVE format. they need to please the casual players and make them happy if they want their game to grow. They are doing a fantastic job making the competitive people happy, but that won't grow the game or make more money.. Casual players will.... This ban list is ok for the competitive scene, but the future of Fab needs more than this to be bright.
As a filthy casual, I like that these cards are banned. Makes my casual CC decks have a better chance at armories where the local scene can be so hardcore.
As i said i also think these bans are ok, for competitive purpose. And as you mention, you have now better chance to win at armories (=compétitive scène)....
I'm really happy with how the game is being managed. Zen was definitely a mistake that I think they could have avoided by changing his hero ability to tutor for a mystic card so he wasn't eating Katsus lunch but hindsight is 20/20. Having close games was one of the things that got me into the game in the first place so I'm happy to see them returning to that.
The 2:29 point is a deep, meaningful, and well-thought-out one. It's the first time I’ve felt afflicted by a banlist in a TCG - thanks for enlightening (ah-ah) me !
sigh, on one the one hand drawing cards is fun. on the other I think FAB was going down the path of Magic into big, Bigger, BIGGEST card design. Having played at the Rosetta pre-release this week-end I am very excited for the future of FAB
As a Yu-Gi-Oh player, it's for the best. Cards that generate card advantage have become way too prevalent over here, and FaB was in danger of falling into the same hole.
bro, i've seen many decks, if not all of competitive ones using E-strike, cnc, those books, fyendal strike, and they all look just the same, the game should make every hero unique, its pretty nice they're changing the meta a bit.
When I first tried FaB, I quit a couple of matches made me feel my decisions didnt matter. The extreme offensive overlaps were felt, and I flat out wish I didnt play after a match. I started dabbling in again and like this new/reinvigorated direction. If i feel like my choices, good or bad, cause me to win or lose, ill hang around. LSS is showing theyre on the path to highlight good decisions once again.
I mostly agree with your comments Snoop! I personally think Tunic should never be banned, as it is just a very good armor for classes that still don't have a good staple chest, so as the game advances and we have more specific class chests it will probably fade out a bit. Even now I think tunic just fills that space
The return of Ira for CC feels like a big return to the old style of fab, given that she is very much a numbers deck at her core! Excited to try her out in LL as well, Drone is SO fun to play with!!! Also Prism did nothing wrong, that's why luminaris is still legal in the best format, LL!
5:40 In MTG the Modern masters set was 100% purely reprints, the Modern Horizons product is the set that injects new cards into the modern card pool. Other formnats like legacy, Vintage and Commander all pool from the general card pool (aka any product WOTC has ever made in a black/white border). Also I'm a Zen (now Boltyn) player, I understand.
Been playing every TCG trying to figure out which ones I wanna keep playing. I played magic for over 10 years but quit a while ago with the direction the company has been heading. Star Wars unlimited has been a lot of fun. I always wanted to play flesh and blood and SCG con has both fab and swu events so now seems to be the time. Definitely awesome to see a company care so much about their game. Grand archive I am interested in they are like fab seeming to be very invested into making a good game but no stores carry it around here.
I was in the middle of making my first ever deck but now idk if im still going to finish it since it was a prism deck. I dont really like the beatdown prism strategy so idk who i want to play anymore.
I am in the same boat. I completely agree that these cards needed to be banned, but I am struggling to find a deck I am even remotely interested in now. But we'll both get there 🤜🤛
the more i think about the bans the better they are. i think upon reading results they realized that if they didn't do something fast the game might become. ''who ever draws the most card generation/value effects wins'' which would remove skill instead of adding it. problem with card draw in fab is that every card is worth so much. the swing even if only 3/4 life can be the difference between being able to fight back or be forced to block. you should have to choose whether to take the damage or use your card to block. and have the game be the outcome of those micro decisions. at the moment it was becoming ''i have to take the damage because i don't have more resources to block with then my opponent has to strike me with''
My only concern for this game is that it continues to just be competitive. My lgs devolved to the same 4 people and newer players losing interest because they don’t want to immediately invest hundreds of euros to have a chance to be competitive in the slightest
while i understand where that sentiment is coming from, i heavily disagree with just banning cards, because they are staples, if they do not result in degenerate gameplay patterns (as was the case when chaining draw spells/tomes) i dont want CC to be just powered down/washed out FaB. I just want it to be engaging for multiple turns of back and forth and able to reach second cycle. So while CnC and sink/fate are definetely above the norm powerlevel of cards, they also dont end the game in the spot or remove interaction, because "oops here is 35 damage".
The thing about the cards which were banned is, they are guaranteed to cause problems down the line. You cannot realistically prevent them causing "degenerate play patterns" as the game continues to release new cards and growing the card pool. So the only options you are left with is, either ban the cards after they inevitably ruined the format, or ban them before this inevitable development comes to pass. But in either case, they will get banned. It was not a question of "if", only "when". We have already seen this with Zen abusing AOW by banishing tigers to draw 2, or by DIO cheating out APs to cast Tome of Fyendal without any downsides. It sucks that the cards needed to be banned, but for the future of the game, this was 100% the right call.
@@rgbcgroup i dont disagree with any of that, but also fate foreseen wont suddenly otk people? My point was about banning cards just based on them being staples. literally only a single of the banned card was a staple(sorry tome of fyendael you dont count) and that had to go.
Nice works. Can you make a double decksteck about prism in living legends. Two guys, austin and a other austin made top 8 with 2 différents prism. Can you explain the differences
I really hope they never make a Modern Horizons style set in FaB. Those sets have been awful and destructive for Modern and Legacy essentially turning them into soft-rotating formats and much less of a place where you can see the history of the game on display. Modern Horizons was a major contributor to me quitting Magic and if they did it for FaB I'd seriously question the future of the game.
Correct, just, it is funny to hear an enigma player complain about heros gatekeeping classes. Like you know Enigma is that hero for like 4 classes... right?
Yeah. Zen was my first CC deck. I had great fun with him but I did agree he was strong. He got hit with the first bans I figured he would probably get hit with more. I decided Kano was fun and I practised alot on talishar and ended up buying almost all the cards for him. And then both my decks got banned 😅😅 I do agree with the bans though, as painful as it feels to not have a CC deck and to my wallet.
I love maxx and how he has to give up a ton of dmg and agency to set up mechanoid and gain it back. Usually the games go 1-7 turns after mechanoid is flipped. For the same reason i like teklo but he is so bad against enigma 😢
You NEED CNC's "can't play defense reaction" effect MORE than the remove arsenal, as if you're up against Guardians and Brutes (reckless swing), you can slither in some damage or pitch CNC down during your end game to deliver the finishing blow with Pummel. Imagine a world without CNC where your opponent just play 12 DR..... LOL. The thing with CNC's value that outshines other cards is "2 effects from it's ability to defend DR and remove arsenal" and "defending for 3". all newer cards only defend for 2.
I sold out of MTG and bought my generic staples a couple months ago, if they come for E Strike and C&C I'm out a few hundred bucks -_- Also, as a Victor main, fuck Enigma ;)
As someone who joined the game to play Ninja (and with zero interest in LL format), the banlist was just pure depression for me. I can't even swap to Fai and have a good time against my friends cuz I'll have to struggle really hard to keep pace with Enigma and Dash I/O. I understand that Zen was oppressive, but I'd much rather have seen Zen's boots and Mask get hit than the class I was most interested in getting neutered for his sins.
I feel you. Zen brought me back to fab after 6 months away and the only thing keeping me playing ninja is adult Ira. It sucks that he was so good they had to decrease the power level of the whole class
@@ParAd0xi11 I'm really interested in Ira, I found a budget deck that can work but I just hope that it can keep up with my buddies' decks even with a more midrange (seems like) game plan.
Ok so I haven't played FaB since... the set with the Assassins? I think? Idk what's good or bad anymore, all i know is WOW banning every pot of greed is crazy. Has the game been so high-variance as to require that?
Outsiders is about the time I started playing fab! It wasn't as bad as you may think, Zen was really the biggest culprit and was able to abuse the card draw he had access to much better than any hero that came before. Cards like Tome of Firebrand and Cash In are far from problematic right now, but it becomes harder to design cards around them in the future
Unfortunately, C&C is necessary to play against Rangers, both Azalea and Riptide. None of the previous rare versions have been good enough, but I do have hope for Smash Up and Hand Behind the Pen (from Rosetta).
@@terranceturneras a filthy casual in poverty, yeah fuck CnC. I cant afford that shit! That solution to reprint it in rare sounds promising tho, defo.
I am so happy about the bans. Zen was so overpowered and I was not a fan of matches where my opponent drew a mazillion cards. With these bans and this new design philosophy I do agree we will truly be entering the golden age of Flesh and Blood with Rosetta’s release.
Just played into an enigma where all they had to do is get miragai out and have the perfect answer to everything I was doing. Swinging 1 for 8 every turn and being in 34 health at the end of the game feels totally fair😑😘
I'd be more open to restricting things like Tunic if they made more chest pieces that didn't suck. Plenty of classes just have to run it because it's the only option that actually provides value
i disagree, i dont think other chectpieces suck, i think as long as there is just a better generic substitue, people will choose to run that over their class specific piece. i mean, mech has a fantastic chestpiece that gets ran over tunic. and guardians piece is really good if you use it right. but people prefer tunic because it is easier to maximize your value on it
@@paulmartinez9633 I play Prism and Kassai, I've never run Tunic with them. I'm going to have to get one for Aurora because her chest options suck unless you need AB, then Dyadic is solid
@@paulmartinez9633For a good number of classes and heroes Tunic is the best option that's just a fact. More classes need pieces like Mechanologist has. I think every time a generic is outright the best option for the main deck that's not a good thing. It should be the other way round where Tunic is the sideboard pick and every class has good thematic equipment to choose from.
im not a fan of this banlist, deleting peoples decks is bad, im in the minority but i havent played a single game since this banlist since 400+ hours of learning prism was wasted
Part the Mistveil killed the game a little bit and also my faith in LSS. I dont have faith in them anymore because it looks like they have no idea what they are doing. Art of War was the single most fun card to play. And it was not always good. How many turns i had to juggle my handcards to not waste an art of war. Art of war could be used defensive. Art of war had so many, many options and was so versitile. So much fun to play. They even gave every hero an answer to art of war with balance of justice. This made art of war even worse. Its not art of war that is the problem. Its Zen. And the whole mystic squad. I realy dont know why they presented me such bullshit. It was so obvious from the very first second that zen is broken.
To preface, I am a salty Ninja player, but that doesn't change the analysis. With these bans, LLS has made two things abundantly clear. 1) Card advantage is, for some reason, bad. 2) Classes that aren't numerically efficient (which is incredibly easy in a game as mathematically simple as flesh and bleed) were design mistakes and are essentially being removed with these bans. This flattens the experience of the game, removes a significant vector of skill expression, and makes the game even simpler. Fab, at this point, might as well be the equivalent of that elementary school game where you flip over the top card of a poker deck and decide the winner based on who has the biggest number, because that's what the game has been reduced to; a basic computational check of the sum total value of your hand against the opponents, and if your class isn't designed to be maximally efficient in this new paradigm, or your hand isn't simply a higher number, you lose. There's no reason to play this game over magic at this point. It might as well be pokemon.
you being a salty ninja player is exactly why your analysis is the way it is... you don't even seem to understand WHY card advantage is bad for a card game...
"1) Card advantage is, for some reason, bad." - you wanted to have a class that deals 5-8 free attacks per turn? lol get rekt ban of the free card draw is one of the ways to save us from power creep
There is no skill in playing art of war and bonds of ancestry and drawing tons of cards. The only thing you had to do was wait to draw them and play a ridiculously stupid combo, which makes your previous turns and your opponent’s previous turns meaningless once you’ve drawn your combo. I’m saying this as a Prism player, the bans are healthy for the game, cus being able to draw 7-10 cards in a turn pretty consistently in a card game where your cards double as ressource is completely ridiculous.
The issue with your argument is that you are pretending that the cards only have a vanilla attack and block value so who draws the biggest numbers wins. Most played cards have an on-hit or some other effect to make up for their weaker stats. Look at Bonds of Agony for example. It’s a 1 power card but if you meet its requirements and its hits you can totally rip your opponents hand apart and it wouldn’t matter if they could swing 12 back. Another thing is that other classes have board based stuff like auras and items. These don’t have attack values and get their benefits from other interactions. Your argument is missing context. You can’t pretend the game is just vanilla attacks the whole time. There is a lot of nuance you’re leaving out.
I'm not going to bother articulating a response to any of this; you aren't serious people. Have fun playing Go Fish, I'm gonna go back to playing Modern and Legacy.
You know at first I was a little peeved about my decks taking massive hits. But this video made me feel better by reminding me that LL format actually exists. Thanks!
I'm just waiting to get the 9 lesser dragon dusts to herald Dromai's return
Started playing flesh and blood literally a week ago, went to the Rosetta Prerelease and also bought Round the Table and a Mistveil Booster box. Pulled a Pathways and now i am well on board with Team Enigma :D This game is awesome!
Welcome to F&B! 🎉
@@natedavis5567 thanks! If anyone wants to share budget Enigma lists, i'd gladly appreciate it :D
Intro to the game through Rosetta Prerelease would be an awesome way to start!
@@mauvrion_fries very much so, people at the LGS were also super welcoming and nice, gifted me a bunch of packs and also told me if i needed any commons or rares i should just ask. I certainly will attend more events
Also, if anyone got budget deck lists for enigma, i'd appreciate any suggestions :D some staples are quite pricey, so i'd probably opt for some cheaper options
Bought my wife and I the Dual Blitz precons back in FABs first/second year of Dorinthea versus Rynar. Loved it and shelved our Magic decks for it.
Then UB happened and the recent announcement only sealed the deal. Your videos helped convert me fully and the new Armory Ready decks are going to be my gateway into events near me.
Thanks Frogman!
Tunic being gone would be pretty refreshing to be honest.
Fabs success in the competitive tcg world is also its biggest weakness.
It always has been
Most players are casual.
Because of the level of depth and knowledge needed to succeed in CC, many players are not willing to commit the time or money to the game. The fun disappear and they go play lorcana mtg or whatever.
They need to release the PVE format. they need to please the casual players and make them happy if they want their game to grow.
They are doing a fantastic job making the competitive people happy, but that won't grow the game or make more money.. Casual players will....
This ban list is ok for the competitive scene, but the future of Fab needs more than this to be bright.
As a filthy casual, I like that these cards are banned. Makes my casual CC decks have a better chance at armories where the local scene can be so hardcore.
As i said i also think these bans are ok, for competitive purpose. And as you mention, you have now better chance to win at armories (=compétitive scène)....
True, not beginner friendly due to the wording (learn curve), card availability and price.
I'm really happy with how the game is being managed.
Zen was definitely a mistake that I think they could have avoided by changing his hero ability to tutor for a mystic card so he wasn't eating Katsus lunch but hindsight is 20/20.
Having close games was one of the things that got me into the game in the first place so I'm happy to see them returning to that.
I know the music at 16:18 is from Pokemon. But it is literally the base melody for traditional Vietnamese songs. It brought back memories.
The 2:29 point is a deep, meaningful, and well-thought-out one. It's the first time I’ve felt afflicted by a banlist in a TCG - thanks for enlightening (ah-ah) me !
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sigh, on one the one hand drawing cards is fun. on the other I think FAB was going down the path of Magic into big, Bigger, BIGGEST card design. Having played at the Rosetta pre-release this week-end I am very excited for the future of FAB
As a Yu-Gi-Oh player, it's for the best. Cards that generate card advantage have become way too prevalent over here, and FaB was in danger of falling into the same hole.
bro, i've seen many decks, if not all of competitive ones using E-strike, cnc, those books, fyendal strike, and they all look just the same, the game should make every hero unique, its pretty nice they're changing the meta a bit.
When I first tried FaB, I quit a couple of matches made me feel my decisions didnt matter. The extreme offensive overlaps were felt, and I flat out wish I didnt play after a match.
I started dabbling in again and like this new/reinvigorated direction. If i feel like my choices, good or bad, cause me to win or lose, ill hang around. LSS is showing theyre on the path to highlight good decisions once again.
I mostly agree with your comments Snoop! I personally think Tunic should never be banned, as it is just a very good armor for classes that still don't have a good staple chest, so as the game advances and we have more specific class chests it will probably fade out a bit. Even now I think tunic just fills that space
Me, but a humble DIO main kissing my book goodnight while watching everyone else panic
It has been fascinating seeing the game evolve like this.
Hey welcome back
I am also interested in the blitz changes they mentioned in the article
The return of Ira for CC feels like a big return to the old style of fab, given that she is very much a numbers deck at her core! Excited to try her out in LL as well, Drone is SO fun to play with!!!
Also Prism did nothing wrong, that's why luminaris is still legal in the best format, LL!
Hmm, interesting, but i think my bro Florian may have some chance, double arcane damage can be good
5:40 In MTG the Modern masters set was 100% purely reprints, the Modern Horizons product is the set that injects new cards into the modern card pool. Other formnats like legacy, Vintage and Commander all pool from the general card pool (aka any product WOTC has ever made in a black/white border).
Also I'm a Zen (now Boltyn) player, I understand.
Been playing every TCG trying to figure out which ones I wanna keep playing. I played magic for over 10 years but quit a while ago with the direction the company has been heading.
Star Wars unlimited has been a lot of fun.
I always wanted to play flesh and blood and SCG con has both fab and swu events so now seems to be the time.
Definitely awesome to see a company care so much about their game.
Grand archive I am interested in they are like fab seeming to be very invested into making a good game but no stores carry it around here.
Did someone say Hi Roly, High Roly?
I was in the middle of making my first ever deck but now idk if im still going to finish it since it was a prism deck. I dont really like the beatdown prism strategy so idk who i want to play anymore.
You can play a LAG/Iris of Reality hybrid deck. It lets you play the Auras into slow matchups, and Heralds into faster ones
I am in the same boat. I completely agree that these cards needed to be banned, but I am struggling to find a deck I am even remotely interested in now.
But we'll both get there
🤜🤛
It's funny to see everyone forgets about katsu :(
I'm only 11mins in and I already can't press the like button enough hahahaha
the more i think about the bans the better they are.
i think upon reading results they realized that if they didn't do something fast the game might become.
''who ever draws the most card generation/value effects wins''
which would remove skill instead of adding it.
problem with card draw in fab is that every card is worth so much.
the swing even if only 3/4 life can be the difference between being able to fight back or be forced to block.
you should have to choose whether to take the damage or use your card to block.
and have the game be the outcome of those micro decisions.
at the moment it was becoming ''i have to take the damage because i don't have more resources to block with then my opponent has to strike me with''
My only concern for this game is that it continues to just be competitive. My lgs devolved to the same 4 people and newer players losing interest because they don’t want to immediately invest hundreds of euros to have a chance to be competitive in the slightest
while i understand where that sentiment is coming from, i heavily disagree with just banning cards, because they are staples, if they do not result in degenerate gameplay patterns (as was the case when chaining draw spells/tomes)
i dont want CC to be just powered down/washed out FaB. I just want it to be engaging for multiple turns of back and forth and able to reach second cycle.
So while CnC and sink/fate are definetely above the norm powerlevel of cards, they also dont end the game in the spot or remove interaction, because "oops here is 35 damage".
The thing about the cards which were banned is, they are guaranteed to cause problems down the line. You cannot realistically prevent them causing "degenerate play patterns" as the game continues to release new cards and growing the card pool.
So the only options you are left with is, either ban the cards after they inevitably ruined the format, or ban them before this inevitable development comes to pass. But in either case, they will get banned. It was not a question of "if", only "when".
We have already seen this with Zen abusing AOW by banishing tigers to draw 2, or by DIO cheating out APs to cast Tome of Fyendal without any downsides.
It sucks that the cards needed to be banned, but for the future of the game, this was 100% the right call.
@@rgbcgroup i dont disagree with any of that, but also fate foreseen wont suddenly otk people? My point was about banning cards just based on them being staples.
literally only a single of the banned card was a staple(sorry tome of fyendael you dont count) and that had to go.
Nice works.
Can you make a double decksteck about prism in living legends. Two guys, austin and a other austin made top 8 with 2 différents prism.
Can you explain the differences
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Music from gen5. Now you have my respect
Kevin McCloud= best music
lol i thought this game has no ban list except for living legend
I really hope they never make a Modern Horizons style set in FaB. Those sets have been awful and destructive for Modern and Legacy essentially turning them into soft-rotating formats and much less of a place where you can see the history of the game on display. Modern Horizons was a major contributor to me quitting Magic and if they did it for FaB I'd seriously question the future of the game.
Yeah, I want a Modern Masters type set, not Modern Horizons. Reprint sets are cool, broken sets are not
Great Video, well said.
What I think about all this: cool.
Thank you for admitting Prism is a problem in LL. I worry the format will warp around her and Chane now that Zen has been neutered.
Correct, just, it is funny to hear an enigma player complain about heros gatekeeping classes. Like you know Enigma is that hero for like 4 classes... right?
Yeah. Zen was my first CC deck. I had great fun with him but I did agree he was strong. He got hit with the first bans I figured he would probably get hit with more. I decided Kano was fun and I practised alot on talishar and ended up buying almost all the cards for him. And then both my decks got banned 😅😅 I do agree with the bans though, as painful as it feels to not have a CC deck and to my wallet.
I love maxx and how he has to give up a ton of dmg and agency to set up mechanoid and gain it back. Usually the games go 1-7 turns after mechanoid is flipped.
For the same reason i like teklo but he is so bad against enigma 😢
Just to point it out, they would never ban CnC because doing so would make Emperor Dracai useless
You NEED CNC's "can't play defense reaction" effect MORE than the remove arsenal, as if you're up against Guardians and Brutes (reckless swing), you can slither in some damage or pitch CNC down during your end game to deliver the finishing blow with Pummel. Imagine a world without CNC where your opponent just play 12 DR..... LOL. The thing with CNC's value that outshines other cards is "2 effects from it's ability to defend DR and remove arsenal" and "defending for 3". all newer cards only defend for 2.
Aren't all of these that you mentioned the reasons why it's almost broken?
Dude, leave a small pause between thoughts instead of editing them out! Driving me crazy.
Otherwise good vid.
I sold out of MTG and bought my generic staples a couple months ago, if they come for E Strike and C&C I'm out a few hundred bucks -_-
Also, as a Victor main, fuck Enigma ;)
As someone who joined the game to play Ninja (and with zero interest in LL format), the banlist was just pure depression for me. I can't even swap to Fai and have a good time against my friends cuz I'll have to struggle really hard to keep pace with Enigma and Dash I/O. I understand that Zen was oppressive, but I'd much rather have seen Zen's boots and Mask get hit than the class I was most interested in getting neutered for his sins.
I feel you. Zen brought me back to fab after 6 months away and the only thing keeping me playing ninja is adult Ira. It sucks that he was so good they had to decrease the power level of the whole class
@@ParAd0xi11 I'm really interested in Ira, I found a budget deck that can work but I just hope that it can keep up with my buddies' decks even with a more midrange (seems like) game plan.
What happened to your Twitter account?
Hey...
Zen
Ok so I haven't played FaB since... the set with the Assassins? I think?
Idk what's good or bad anymore, all i know is WOW banning every pot of greed is crazy. Has the game been so high-variance as to require that?
Outsiders is about the time I started playing fab! It wasn't as bad as you may think, Zen was really the biggest culprit and was able to abuse the card draw he had access to much better than any hero that came before. Cards like Tome of Firebrand and Cash In are far from problematic right now, but it becomes harder to design cards around them in the future
@@mauvrion_fries oof you replaced me then haha!! I def miss it (RIP Sonata Vis holy moly, my favorite deck in any tcg period)
@@alexanderking8382 I forgot about that, that was some truly abusive card draw haha
Where waistcoat
I'm just sad because I bought a rf playset of AoW
Oh wow, but they’re so beautiful to look at forever… jealous
Kinda sad you left Twitter since it's my primary social media but I get that the platform has gone down in quality
The platform has become basically unusable, and I also think its by FAR the most toxic part of the community
What About.. Dash IO?
Tbh with the new cards she may be a bit of a problem, but I haven't yet played against it
Unfortunately, C&C is necessary to play against Rangers, both Azalea and Riptide. None of the previous rare versions have been good enough, but I do have hope for Smash Up and Hand Behind the Pen (from Rosetta).
Print CNC as a rare, problem sorted.
No singles should be £80 + including legendaries outside of special art treatment and marvels.
As a Riptide main: Fuck C&C
@@AzurielMist it's absurd How many decks run CnC and how scarse it can be in some markets. It makes getting into the game very threatening
@@terranceturneras a filthy casual in poverty, yeah fuck CnC. I cant afford that shit! That solution to reprint it in rare sounds promising tho, defo.
I am so happy about the bans. Zen was so overpowered and I was not a fan of matches where my opponent drew a mazillion cards. With these bans and this new design philosophy I do agree we will truly be entering the golden age of Flesh and Blood with Rosetta’s release.
Just played into an enigma where all they had to do is get miragai out and have the perfect answer to everything I was doing. Swinging 1 for 8 every turn and being in 34 health at the end of the game feels totally fair😑😘
as a Bravo (OG ver) player, I feel ya there brother.
Turtleburst Viserai here🙏🏻
Agreed
I'd be more open to restricting things like Tunic if they made more chest pieces that didn't suck. Plenty of classes just have to run it because it's the only option that actually provides value
i disagree, i dont think other chectpieces suck, i think as long as there is just a better generic substitue, people will choose to run that over their class specific piece. i mean, mech has a fantastic chestpiece that gets ran over tunic. and guardians piece is really good if you use it right. but people prefer tunic because it is easier to maximize your value on it
@@paulmartinez9633 I play Prism and Kassai, I've never run Tunic with them. I'm going to have to get one for Aurora because her chest options suck unless you need AB, then Dyadic is solid
@@paulmartinez9633For a good number of classes and heroes Tunic is the best option that's just a fact.
More classes need pieces like Mechanologist has. I think every time a generic is outright the best option for the main deck that's not a good thing. It should be the other way round where Tunic is the sideboard pick and every class has good thematic equipment to choose from.
@@slotholopolis2314 Can recommend Aether Ironweave for a Runeblade Chest budget option. That card slaps.
@@emida2012 as a budget option, sure. Just not as a competitive piece
I simply disagree with the title of the video
im not a fan of this banlist, deleting peoples decks is bad, im in the minority but i havent played a single game since this banlist since 400+ hours of learning prism was wasted
It is better this way. These cards would have 100% ruined multiple formats down the line.
Bans always suck, but it was the right thing to do, IMO.
Unfortunately a dead game. If it wasn’t for talishar it would already be dead.
Part the Mistveil killed the game a little bit and also my faith in LSS. I dont have faith in them anymore because it looks like they have no idea what they are doing.
Art of War was the single most fun card to play. And it was not always good. How many turns i had to juggle my handcards to not waste an art of war.
Art of war could be used defensive.
Art of war had so many, many options and was so versitile. So much fun to play.
They even gave every hero an answer to art of war with balance of justice. This made art of war even worse.
Its not art of war that is the problem.
Its Zen. And the whole mystic squad. I realy dont know why they presented me such bullshit. It was so obvious from the very first second that zen is broken.
To preface, I am a salty Ninja player, but that doesn't change the analysis.
With these bans, LLS has made two things abundantly clear.
1) Card advantage is, for some reason, bad.
2) Classes that aren't numerically efficient (which is incredibly easy in a game as mathematically simple as flesh and bleed) were design mistakes and are essentially being removed with these bans.
This flattens the experience of the game, removes a significant vector of skill expression, and makes the game even simpler. Fab, at this point, might as well be the equivalent of that elementary school game where you flip over the top card of a poker deck and decide the winner based on who has the biggest number, because that's what the game has been reduced to; a basic computational check of the sum total value of your hand against the opponents, and if your class isn't designed to be maximally efficient in this new paradigm, or your hand isn't simply a higher number, you lose.
There's no reason to play this game over magic at this point. It might as well be pokemon.
you being a salty ninja player is exactly why your analysis is the way it is... you don't even seem to understand WHY card advantage is bad for a card game...
"1) Card advantage is, for some reason, bad." - you wanted to have a class that deals 5-8 free attacks per turn? lol get rekt ban of the free card draw is one of the ways to save us from power creep
There is no skill in playing art of war and bonds of ancestry and drawing tons of cards. The only thing you had to do was wait to draw them and play a ridiculously stupid combo, which makes your previous turns and your opponent’s previous turns meaningless once you’ve drawn your combo.
I’m saying this as a Prism player, the bans are healthy for the game, cus being able to draw 7-10 cards in a turn pretty consistently in a card game where your cards double as ressource is completely ridiculous.
The issue with your argument is that you are pretending that the cards only have a vanilla attack and block value so who draws the biggest numbers wins. Most played cards have an on-hit or some other effect to make up for their weaker stats. Look at Bonds of Agony for example. It’s a 1 power card but if you meet its requirements and its hits you can totally rip your opponents hand apart and it wouldn’t matter if they could swing 12 back. Another thing is that other classes have board based stuff like auras and items. These don’t have attack values and get their benefits from other interactions. Your argument is missing context. You can’t pretend the game is just vanilla attacks the whole time. There is a lot of nuance you’re leaving out.
I'm not going to bother articulating a response to any of this; you aren't serious people.
Have fun playing Go Fish, I'm gonna go back to playing Modern and Legacy.