This "Redcoat" isn't even trying to be historically accurate...
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- If you can't trust vintage mugs from obscure antique shops in the middle of rural Pennsylvania to have historically accurate portrayals of British soldiers from the American War of Independence, then what CAN you trust???
This is a Very Silly™ video, but I get to talk about all sorts of interesting things in it! I hope that it entertains you and helps you to learn a little more about the real life 'Redcoats' from the AWI. And if you don't learn anything and are not entertained, well, I'm sure you'll find some fun in the invariably angry comments that presume I have genuinely lost sleep over any of this. -
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I appreciate how Brandon's critiques of hyper-inauthentic depictions of the British have gone from anger to simple tired exasperation.
How is this comment 5 days old when the video was uploaded an hour ago....🤔
@@Xxsnipedawg72xX patreon gets early access.
Someone makes an historical inaccuracy
Brandon: I felt a great disturbance in the force
For a historian's stand-up comedy routine I thought it was pretty good!
@@briishpatriot2157 a great Farb in the Force
This mug was a cherished family heirloom for generations. The family that held it had carried it through the Boer War in South Africa, WWI in France, London during the Blitz until eventually moving to America after the war. It was a symbol of this family's perseverance through difficult times and even as the world shook around them, the mug remained strong. They carried it with them and it sat on the family mantle place wherever they went. For over one hundred years this family had passed it down until the latest son of the family received it as a gift for his 18th birthday. He felt a brief moment of overwhelming pride and joy as he was given the gift. He'd been told all the stories about their family from his grandfather and receiving the old gift, the boy took this as a sign of acceptance from all of his ancestors as though their spirits lived on in him.
But then the boy noticed that the soldier on the side of the mug was wearing a farby uniform, and taken aback by how silly it looked he declared,
"This shall not stand! Never should my family have kept this trinket, it simply will not do for my family name?"
And so he grabbed the mug off of it's place on the mantle and not even bothering to dress in socks, he slammed the door behind him and stored down the street. Marching angrily to the antique shop down the road he entered the small shop and dropped the mug onto the countertop.
"Do what you will with this detritus, but understand that it is worthless as little more than a mug!"
With that he left the shop, not even pausing to hear the response of the stunned shopkeeper as he headed back home, washing his hands of the terrible farbery and content with his good deed.
This is the story of the mug.
So, when does the book come out Matthew Lee?
LOL
@@rogernicholls2079 Hell, I'd buy it!
L O L!!!!!!! That was too good, thank you!
Cup: **Exists**
Brandon: _...And I took that personally_
No, Brandon was upset at historical inaccuracy. A regular cup and historically accurate cup is ok to him.
Brandons the kind of guy who would tell out another soldier in the middle of live combat for missing his hat or a piece of uniform
You see everyone going to assault and then Brandon:"stop, stop, stop, what the hell with that coat ?!" ^^
Call out, the phrase is "he'd call out another soldier."
Can you blame Him?
@@pablojn4826 Of course not! In the 18th Century battle was a formal affair!
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 hum not that much. War is War people loose things, forget things, (Also don't want certain things): soldiers are soldiers, through centuries it is food,water,gun, ammo,map... The uniforme is for movie honestely.
Historical inaccuracy:*Exist*
Brandon F:"And I took that personally"
Brandon, today I also suffered historical inaccuracy. I just got back from a USNSCC and they were talking about muskets. And said that the Brown Bess only had a max firing range of 50 meters and that the reason the British lost the war was because the American Militia used rifles that had 200-300 meter ranged. Have fun looking at this comment and dying inside.
BIG oof.
Oh wow more american propaganda, great....
LMAO
@@David-yc6ph and i thought the patriot was bad.
The Evil Spirits are everywhere!
Antique Mug: (exists)
Brandon: So, you have chosen... death.
Now I'm picturing Brandon repeatedly trying to bayonet a porcelain mug
@@Tareltonlives *clink... clatter.... scrape...*
"Something terrible happened" lmao 10 seconds in and I'm in stitches. Love you dude
A wild atun-shei appear
Kid: "Daddy, look what I made at school today!"
Dad: "Wow, that's really good! I'll even sell it in my shop."
Brandon (walks into store): "Oh boy... where do I even begin with this..."
*20 minutes later*
Kid: *Sobbing uncontrollably*
Lol. xD
Truth hurts, authenticity can make you suffer
Guilty until proven innocent
I like the idea that it was so good he masses produced it for sale
Laughed unreasonably hard at "Oh, dear Lord! Send it to the fires!"
Imagine being the painter at a ceramics factory who clocked in every day and dispassionately painted these mass market figurines for a paycheck, and finding out that a century later a historical re-enactor is on a video website making fun of your workmanship.
Reaction..... A shrug and a resigned smile?
@@andymoore9977 "still got that bread tho"
I don't think I'd give two hoots.
"Hey, look ma! My mug's on the internet!"
Farby’s: we have the cringe.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Brandon F and the Cup of Doom
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@@ollieshane7835 in many ways, that’s actually true!
At the Bannockburn gift shop, you can buy a mug that says 'Bannockburn' for £17.00
Holy crap, that's some tourist trap 😅😅 But it's the same in Switzerland at places like Adelboden, Interlaken or Grindelwald. Those shops are so overprized. Sad thing, some Chinese or other foreign tourists will most likely buy this stuff.
Well I'd bannock-burn that place down for those prices
Brandon felt a great disturbance in the force. Do you just go around destroying farbry before you can feel alright?
He felt the Evil Spirits of Farbery.
@@presidentlouis-napoleonbon8889 He got the Farb Vapours!
I laughed more than was seemly at ‘British soldiers did not wear lipstick’!
Not on their lips they didn’t... 😏
I wonder if they do now?
Too French!
Beau Brummell: HOW DARE YOU
The best part of waking up is Red coats on your cup! lol (Folgers jingle)
Note to self,never go antique shopping with Brandon EVER.
I might want him around if I needed help shopping for a fusilier's match box.
@@DJRonnieG The toy model car that is also a firearm? I kid, I kid...
@@bosef1 I got a number of them in a box somewhere. I think even have a flatbed tow truck that can accommodate other matchbox cars.
Seriously though, I wonder if a fusalier had "strike anywhere" matches in their brass matchbox.
@@DJRonnieG According to Wikipedia, the first friction matches were not invented until 1826, so no fusilier would have been carrying one during the American War of Independence nor the Napoleonic Wars. I believe Brandon has a previous video discussing the kitting of a fusilier and what was carried where.
As a civil war reenactor I sometimes loathe the standing collars
I like in cheap toy soilders packs where the soilders are just painted red and blue, and they are same soilders
That reminds me of how Empire: Total War did the same thing, but even worse. All of the factions have the same uniforms in different colors.
@@flamebird2218 that makes semse tho, its easier on the dev team
You missed an opportunity. You could have haggled with the shopkeeper, pointed out all the farby bits, and maybe got the mug for half price. Then taken it home, filled it with black powder, sealed the top with a fuse in it, taken it to a safe location and filmed it exploding in glorious slo-mo. Would have made a great follow up video to this one.
An absolutely magnificent production! Even though we are apart, we still love you all in the 54th (though we may be partial to yellow). Here's to fielding together soon 😘
I collect more modern militaria (WWII to current) and thought a fake RAF jacket I found was bad, this makes me want to track down and destroy the mug
I love pedantry, I wouldn't come here if I didn't, though the passion behind it is honestly the more important aspect. I still remember the first of your videos I watched, your Operation Odysseus contribution on Ships of the Line.
Some poor lady in 1976 in a ceramics class painted this thing. I'm sure she never expected to be beat up over her beer Stein that she was very proud of at the time.
Well you can wear lipstick if you want Brandon. I'm sure Steve would love that...lol
Historical pettiness at its finest.
have you seen his assassins' creed videos?
@@ollieshane7835 Yes and it is only the tip of the Iceberg I am sure.
Funny how you found this farbery while I was at a museum.
Which museum in what country
This is just what I was needing, a pedantic and poignant rant about the 18th century from one of my favorite channels. Good video as always
Also, you mentioned the fact grenadiers didnt use grenades by the late 18th century, would you consider making a video about a brief overview of the grenadiers and their transition from grenades and how they differed from regular infantry?
This man has such an ability to *_ROAST_* anyone who dares be historically inaccurate. I love it!
I was hoping for you to end the video by pulling out the mug from the bottom of frame and taking a sip from it having bought it in the end after all that.
Oh, that would have been funny!
Make a video on the 1970 waterloo movie ?
That film is just really nice to look at. I wonder how much it cost to kit out each Soviet with a uniform? And I know that horsemen were summoned from all over the union to participate.
I like the new intro.
Also, Panzermadels stream when?
When I'm done moving, let's say!
@@BrandonF Now that's the content I'm proud to be a patron of.
@@BrandonF oh boy im HYPED
0:01-0:31 this guy seems like a poet
And I love it....
His passion is very sexy, although he strikes me as an asexual/ace spectrum individual. No man or woman could tear him away from his all-abiding love for military uniforms.
I think now that Mr shei is more of the William shakespeare, while Brandon is one of those famous poets. I can't think of any at the moment
I have some INCREDIBLY inaccurate figures of Revolutionary and Napoleonic soldiers made in Italy - they are good for a laugh and were fine as ornaments. A UK company, called funnily enough called ACCURATE FIGURES made a series of plastic 54mm AWI and Napoleonic figures and even they, with all the reference now available made models full of the incorrect detail. So it still goes on
I love this kind of comparison to the napoleonic era. This makes in easier to understand the diffrences and to remember them. I would love to see more comparison-like videos like this one in the future.
Greetings from germany!
Titles are so 2020 :)
Untitled2 gang rise up
What does the text at the bottom on the mug say? cannot shake the idea out of my head that this red coat depicted could in fact be a danish "red coat".
How accurate are pirates of carrbiben red coats?
You may as well ask how historically accurate Lord of the Rings is. It’s like they didn’t even try with the uniforms in that film.
Absolutely brilliant.
Your scathing critique of this mug was a fantastically educational lecture on the intricacies of late C18TH/early C19th British uniform.
Thank you Sir!
As a Civil War reenactor of many years, I so very much appreciate your fine work and videos!
I hope Brandon to see many more of your very silly videos in future since, well it is both some of best entertainment and education I have seen on TH-cam.
If the red is on coat it float the boat
Aside from the Napoleonic style, it's about right.
You should try Disney's swamp Fox series from the early sixties or Johnny Tremain & the sons of liberty.
^I second this
@@fz0913 Um, "Swamp Fox" is a bit dull. I remembered it from when I was a little boy, about six or seven years old and enjoying it but when I got the chance to see it again several years ago I was very disappointed. It hasn't aged well, and never mind all the things they got wrong. The series just never catches fire, if you know what I mean. There's little to no effort to depict the real Francis Marion, or the real Banastre Tarleton for that matter. After the success of "Davy Crockett" Disney was hoping the lightning would strke twice with "Swamp Fox," but it just didn't happen.
"Johnny Tremain's" really not bad if you're willing to look past the inaccuracies, i.e. weapons, uniforms, et al. The story's well told and well acted, and interestingly enough there's no "bad guys," both the local British forces and the Americans are on a collision course not of their own making until the inevitable happens. "J-T's" held up very well, in my opinion anyway.
A golden spoon with two handles was their failed attempt for a cap badge it seems.
AGH! the historical inaccuracy! TAKE IT AWAY!! MY EYES CAN'T TAKE IT!
PS I also applied for the editing job on your channel and look forward to possibly working with you in the future :)
Not only the historical inaccuracy, but the glaring artistic mistakes make things even worse. One hand is bigger than the other and the eyes look inhuman, as if it's staring into your soul. It's an asymmetric mess.
From the thumbnail, I was expecting this to be contemporary to the period.
I was expecting an essay on the importance of historical accuracy, if contemporary sources can't even get it right.
That would be a good video.
1:10 Now Brandon went a step further. He doesn't just feel the Evil Spirits of Farbery and fights it, he now clickbaits us for his products XD
Love you Brandon and I support more Clickbait videos LOL (like Atun Shei's video about the Confederate Flag).
Brandon, who hurt you?
Whoever made this mug.
@@BrandonF that’s fair.
That feeling Something farby this way comes
I'm a newbie to this site...but I'm getting addicted to it, by Brandon's enthusiasm for his subject material!
A gate video as always Brandon, made my day
But, did you buy it? I mean 20 buck for an authentic antique farby mug!
No, but seriously, it was probably not so badly researched Napoleonic war themed mug mold that was reused/barely modified to do this Independence War mug mold. Then they mass produced it to lower their development cost. It happens all the time in that industries. I'm working for a military museum in Canada and when the giftshop manager want to do a new product, the first try is always so bad! And we give them pictures of the red guard uniform the need to reproduce. And our poor billygoat mascot... it's just so sad! T_T
I would love to buy that mug and correctly repaint it with the utmost delicacy and present it to Brandon for Internet points
It's a burden knowing too much, ain't it Brandon?
I've been living with that burden since the 1970s, first it starts with spotting "Trapdoor" Springfields modified to look like flintlocks in Hollywood productions, a LOT easier now with HD, and then it spreads to uniform details, architecture, home goods, period civilian clothing, speech patterns, you name it! It never stops!
On the other hand, the really important thing about that tankard is, does it still work?
You know, I just remembered a figurine of a Continental Army officer I saw for sale during the Bicentennial years. It looked pretty good until you turned him around and saw he was holding a Colt 1860 Army revolver!
By the way, I saw one of those Trapdoor "Flintlocks" at a gun show about 20 years ago and got an up-close-and-personal look at it. Actually, it was pretty ingenious how those Hollywood gunsmiths made them look like flintlocks!
He looked like he was from the Welsh fusiliers from the Napoleonic Peninsular campaign. I am pretty shour the Royal Welsh still wore there bearskins in the Peninsular campaign.
this man knows how to find content
I would like to hear your thoughts on the pbs series Liberty's kids.
It's a bit overly simplistic, but that's only to be expected. All in all, for consumption by the children, it is acceptable.
@@secretbaguette For kids it's pretty damn good. I've watched a bit of it for fun and enjoyed it, and I'm in my 60's.
The simplest conclusion is that the artist used the wrong era as a reference.
Another likely possibility was the artisted used a reference that was wrongly labeled as a Redcoat of the American Revolutionary War.
Take my particular interest, the USMC in the PTO during WWII, as an example. Very often I see publishers wrongly identify Army as Marines or even one case of a Marine being confused with an Australian soldier. That mistake is published, then later somebody references that publication and perpetuates the original mistake.
Great video in any case.
"British soldiers did not wear lipstic"
well, not on parade, anyway
I just discovered yr channel and I really like it, especially your clear expositions of facts. Furthermore, you are like the younger version of another favorite of mine, Mr. Alessandro Barbero, a wonderful medievalist and historian, professor at Turin university in Italy. Keep up the good work mate!
So close to 100k👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
Brandon sounds like one of those judges at a military modeling show. "The M-3 Lee tank had exactly 137 rivets on the hull this model has 138...aahhhh." "That tank barrel is .0001 of an inch off....no award for you," while looking at their micrometer. We call those people "rivet counters."
In all fairness, before I found your channel, I couldn't have spotted the most egregious of farbery. Now thanks to you, however, even I can spot that this cup is Farb with a capital F even before your analysis.
Mug: Exists
Brandon: >:o
It's the spoon compass regimental shako.
Very famous regiment who spat their ball into the muzzles.
I've been binge watching your videos today lol
You would make a perfect "rivet counter" in the scale modeling world.
Nice edits! Your new higher is not doing a bad job by any means.
I just found this channel last night and have been enjoying your videos so much! I used to LARP and do reenactments in my younger years so I definitely appreciate the corrections found in the videos on this channel pertaining to the incorrect display of history in books and movies!
Brandon, if I may, what reenactment outfit are you with?
54th Regiment of Foot out of southern New England.
@@BrandonF Southern New England? As in CT and MA? Usually nobody makes that distinction.
By that logic, I'm also not the only one up beyond when might be reasonable.
Southern New England sounds like an oxymoron
@@cecilyerker It does
''this mug thing abomination'' Brandon F. a great quote
I love POV “struggling with my cloths” my favorite pron
im a new subscriber now, this is so funny!
Brandon F becomes a zoomer (2021, colorized)
Can someone who has worn these uniforms please answer this question: how do you keep your hats from falling off? I've worn large hats, and find any quick action, or anything more than a slight breeze makes them come off, unless they are pinned into my hair.
The object of war is to NOT engage in hand-to-hand combat, if possible, but what happens when you run and jump? Did someone go around collecting the hats after an engagement? And what about wigs? They didn't have velcro then, so...?
Did anyone attach chin straps under tricorn hats?
@@cecilyerker I've never seen one.
Think the taller, and/or bearskin ones have straps. Still, they'd be top-heavy. I guess you could shoot in them, but can't imagine doing much running or fighting in them.
I know parade hats have chinstraps. I think most of it is just the hats fitting well; I would like to know more about cocked hat and shako production though.
I actually got the answer from Brandon's What is a Tricorne/Cocked Hat? video. The hats had linen liners on the inside with drawstrings! You could easily churn out a couple different sizes for all your troops, and with a drawstring liner, you no longer have the need for exact brim measurements, plus it can easily be ripped out and replaced and keeps the inner brim clean and protects it from getting soiled by sweat. The answer is you pull the drawstring snugly around your head and tie the strings to keep your hat on in the battlefield!
I see Bruce Catton on your bookshelf-one of my favorite authors. Catton grew up hearing Union veterans tell him their stories so if any author ever captured what those men were like he did.
Bruce Catton was called "The Dean Of Civil War Historians," a title richly deserved. He told the story of the war straight, no moralizing or condemning of any of the participants. In fact, he admired the fighting men of both sides, treating them as men trapped in circumstances beyond their making. Maybe because he wrote from the standpoint of a journalist, instead of an academic?
A bit of that charity could be used nowadays.
I was a historical reenactor for a long time, and I used to pick apart random stuff for being inaccurate, but at some point let it go, it's a mug.
“British soilders did not have lipstick”
Hahahahaha 😂😂🤣😂
Look Brandon.. we just break the damn mug and call it a day. 😂😂
This is the best thing I've ever seen.
I would like to see a review of the fort henery guard in Kingston Ontario Canada
Yes he’s at it agaiiiim
Red coat jumpscare got me 😂😂😂😂
Anything historically inaccurate he takes it personal
Iconoclasm (from Greek: εἰκών, , 'figure, icon' + κλάω, , 'to break') is the social belief in the importance of the destruction of icons and other images or monuments, most frequently for religious or political reasons. People who engage in or support iconoclasm are called , a term that has come to be figuratively applied to any individual who challenges "cherished beliefs or venerated institutions on the grounds that they are erroneous or pernicious."
I think that in Brandon, a new form of Iconoclast has emerged in the modern age, tremble and quake, all ye who engage in farbyism!
[Good show Brandon, carry on...]
Always entertaining, love your work 👍
we need to get brandy boy to 100k.
only brandon can go on a 20 minute rant about a mug
Brandon, very informative video thank you! How did British soldiers salute their officers in the 18th century?
I love a good rant regarding historical inaccuracy from this Brandon F.
Maybe this is more like an inquest. Still a good time.
@@DJRonnieG always a good time to hear from father farb
I feel i have seen a re enactor wear this costume ironically, i also work with the re enactors too being the black smith who makes regimental sabers
How authentic were contemporary uses of british uniform in say things like toy soldiers or porcelain figures of the time. The maker of this piece may have just been referencing an existing inaccurate piece and not all artists/craftsmen are aiming for historical realism.
Shhh if you pick apart the premise then you miss all the fun
Kind of looks like a soldier of the loyalist “volunteers of Ireland.”, commanded by lord rawdon.
Someguy: yeah i''m gonna make a Revolutionary style mug to sell and feed my poor family
Brandon 80 years later: AJNFOIEFCHBKEINUDOMUDWDBHHIGGDUIHEIUHRBINEU!! !!!!! !!!!!111!!!!1!!!!111!!!!
9:51 some of those troops look a bit foxy.
We’ve got some hens in the foxhouse
Brandon, you are a Prince of Pedantry! I love how you had fun bashing a silly mug that was probably made in China. So how about the meaning of the word "decimate?" I get accused of being pendantic when I suggest to people that it doesn't mean completely destroyed/anihilated. Hoping you have a go at that:)
The advantage of writing a flintlock fantasy novel? One man's 'farb' is another man's creative decision.
However, that said, it's better to base the historical side of my writings on actual history, so that it's believable and not completely hinging on the fact that I'm writing in a fantasy setting. Farb, even to someone dabbling in fiction set in a psuedo-realistic setting, can be a real pain in the rear end.
That’s basically The Patriot and Mel Gibson made a bunch of money making a super farb movie
Not only is it a terrible depiction, but it's also an artistic fail. It's asymmetrical and the musket looks like its crooked, one hand is bigger than the other, and the eyes are robot like.
It’s on a mug. I would assume molding with ceramic is extremely difficult. For what it is, it’s fairly impressive
Slow news day huh
Hey Brandon. Have you seen the Hornblower series? While im not as well versed as you are on british soldiers and all that but i think you could pick apart certain episodes like episode 4. It would be interesting to see the accuracy of the show because at times you can see its low budget. The series is still pretty good imo, you can watch them all free on TH-cam aswell which is nice.
The first "Hornblower" series was superb! The second, not so good, you could tell they'd really cut the budget. The scripts weren't as good either.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 Im not sure what you mean. I am refering to the hornblower series that ran from 1998 to 2003. However, the final 2 episodes where very bad if thats what you mean.
@@tomakacap8405 Right, that's the one, with Ioan Gryffud (hope I spelled his name right) as Hornblower. Like I said, I wasn't too impressed with the second go-round, although you're right now that I think about it, it did have its moments.
Now, the series was only shown here in the US on PBS stations, so there's a good possibility we didn't see them all.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 The one with Ioan Gruffudd is correct
@@tomakacap8405 Thanks! I thought so. Good actor, he did a fine job as the young Hornblower.