Arc'teryx Most OVERRATED Jacket | What to Buy Instead | Atom LT Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- Here is my review of the Arc'teryx Atom LT. Have use it regularly for many purposes over the past year. This included summer hiking and camping, mid-layer for snowboarding, and under my thick winter parka. It is an all-around jacket that is very popular for arc'teryx and for good reason. However, to appeal to such a large market, it sacrifices some key features that other jackets are able to deliver on. Thanks for watching, like and subscribe for more videos like these.
Intro: 0:00
Features: 0:40
Use Case 1:37
Performance Review 1:58
Durability 4:19
Alternativs: 5:12
Conclusion 6:23
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Was thinking about buying the new version of this jacket. You have greatly informed my purchasing decision!
Clickbait title for engagement? The Atom LT is significantly more comfortable than the Proton LT , ATOM AR and Proton AR. It's popular for a reason.
Nah atom ar is far more comfortable
How is it clickbait if his conclusion literally is that it’s overrated? Just because you don’t like someone’s opinion doesn’t mean it’s suddenly “clickbait”.
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I bought the Atom Hoodie (the new Atom LT) this summer. For Canadian North Atlantic winters, I must agree, it does not protect well against wind especially for longer applications. But, as a light jacket to walk through parking lots, to and from warm locations, it is sufficient even in the winter.
I own the Atom LT and the Atom AR. I use both intermittently of course to the temperatures. Both are such great jackets, highly recommend both. They are worth the the money you pay. What's amazing over time, they still keep their look. And most of all they're so comfortable and lightweight. These will become part of your daily wardrobe, time and time again.
I wear my Atom LT from autumn through to spring, and sometimes layer a €10 Euro fleece underneath from Decathlon for the coldest winter days (like, well below zero C), which makes more sense to me than paying a lot extra for one of their bulkier jackets. I do a lot of hiking and cycling and it's great for that, and use it for everyday wear in the city because it looks good and is extremely comfortable. I'm thinking about replacing mine (the outer has some small burn holes from a mishap at work) and might go for a Proton next time though, but it'll probably depend on what deals I can find. IMO this is a great all-rounder, perfect on it's own for milder weather, and works well as a layering piece for really cold weather.
It's crazy to me that you can stay warm in sub-zero degrees with such a thin jacket and a cheap fleece. If it's even 5c I have to wear baselayer top/bottom, a fleece and my Atom AR if I want to stay warm outside. If it's windy on top of that I'll swap my regular pants for my Gamma MX pants.
Mine has been in my rotation for the last 8 years. Highly versatile. Highly durable. The Coreloft is still lofty. This jacket had been abused all of this time and still comes back for more. Also , zero rips in normal use. I also have an Atom SV for colder temps.
Wow that great. I have only bought there products the past few years, but I’ve heard that their durability has decreased recently. Do you have any newer product from them and have you noticed that?
@@WillFaulkner No. I haven't purchased any recently. I'm currently experimenting with Outdoor Survival Canada for down and Oros apparel for Solarcore.
@@stevec5465 Oh Nice, which OSC jacket did you pick up?
@@WillFaulkner I purchased the Atim in black. It was on sale for $799? I believe the full price was $1199. It is my current end of the world cold weather jacket. 😂
@@stevec5465 Wow that a great deal! Was it on the OSC website or did you find another site selling them on sale? I would have picked on up for that price.
I think the atom jacket is going to be a great mid layer for skiing and snowboarding. I normally bring a backpack so I would have a lightweight puffer jacket for full day west coast riding in case it gets ridiculously cold on the chair.
I’m very happy with my rain jackets. Both $199 and Patagonia. The Rainshadow, which I use more in wind. And the Slate Sky which I use in rain rain. Both are H2NO and both work fantastic.
The older Atom LT was the first Arc jacket I wanted to sell away. My hand were sweaty yet torso felt easily too cold thanks to side panels. Proton jackets did the job much better for me.
Yea I agree. Plan on picking up the proton soon.
wow I might just buy a Atom LT based off this review! I'll be outside sweating in my pits but my hands will be freezing, sounds like this coat was made for me.
Proton lightweight is the next gen. The octayarn works very well. Just be warned it’s MUCH more breathable than the Atom and less wind resistant. I typically have to wear a thin vest under it to keep the wind off my torso
If the Proton LT wasn't that slim fit compared to the Atom LT, then that'd be perfect and completely killed Atom for me. The other thing I don't like about the Proton is it has a printed logo.
For warmth Patagonia DAS Light hoody is amazing.
I have a Proton FL, I want something a bit warmer but still breathable. May get a Proton LT/heavyweight or Norrona Lyngen Alpha 100. Still undecided.
As someone who has been using Arcteryx products for 8 years, I have to say they have gone down hill. I have owned two Atom LTs that have both torn. One ripped after less than a year. Arcteryx merely offered to send me a patch. Arcteryx seems to have pivoted to a streetwear company since they got big. Also, if you are prepared to spend 500 dollars plus on a good insulated jacket, I would recommend Thrudark which is far better quality.
i have both, the AR is hands down the best jacket but due to tear and wear I dont use it anymore which is a shame. Is there any products avaiable to revitalize/ restore the finish of a jacket? Otherwise Ill have to buy a new from another brand since arcteryx is damn expensive... There is so many brands, what about Outdoor Research?? any input is very appreciated!
I had my jacket repaired by Arcteryx last year. Nice service and overall great repair I would recommend trying that!
Atom LT is awesome. It keeps me warm in the fall without overheating and acts as a sweater or perfect mid layer under a winter coat when it gets much colder. The Atom LT is the most versatile piece in the lineup.
hi will any recommendations for a waterproof and packable jacket? I just need that, that it provides as little warmth as possible, since I plan to use it only for rainy days and otherwise keep it in my backpack, thank you!
You go with one of the arc'teryx beta jackets.
@@WillFaulkner thank you !
Atom LT is for high output outdoor activities like backcountry skiing/snowboaring/skimo. It's like Patagonias Nano Air.
Is it good for the winter? I want to buy it for this winter but i think it doesn’t keep me warm enough but i heard really good things about this jacket. I don’t want to regret buying this and my biggest negative point would be how warn it would keep me, can anyone help or share their experiences?
How cold does it get where you live?
@@WillFaulkner i live in Switzerland and in the middle of the winter it probably gets like under 0 celcius, maybe even lower
I watched your video before purchasing this item. Thanks 😊
I genuinly think people should only consider arcteryx jackets if they hike, ski, snowboard, etc. If not you're better off getting a north face jacket for half the price as streetwear/daily use. These jackets are meant for -10 and below weather lol
Yea I agree most people don't need them and could use the money for something else instead.
@@WillFaulkner exactly, you're not buying the brand name for these jackets. They are actually wayyy better quality then anything north face and I know since I have both lol
None of the Atom jackets are meant for -10c, unless of course you mean with them as layering pieces and not standalone pieces. Even a Canada Goose is not enough for -10c static - if you're moving around though, it's more than enough. Source: I've been cold in two different Canada Goose parkas in more (or less?) than -10c. Closer to -5c, most likely. Then again, I think I run cold in general. I can look outside and think about how bad the weather is and my fingers will start to get cold.
@@K9V1 I wore it in -10 as a midlayer for active activities and it was more then enough to keep me warm.
@@K9V1 I pair it with my Sabre SV shell and a wool base layer
Nuclei fl is more what your after. It's warmer lighter and packs down smaller. I have both.
Are the outer fabrics similar or is the nuclei seem less durable?
They have similar durability.
Hars to say about the Nuclei’s durability, but it’s far warmer and totally windproof.
It does what it was designed to do - breathe with activity. When a fabric breathes, it lets heat out. That transfer is not one way. To let heat out, the fabric inevitably lets external air in. That's why it does not hold up in wind or inactivity. This is perhaps my favorite spring, fall and travel jacket.
I wear an Atom LT for anything down to 5 degrees Celsius and it does a fantastic job (short walks and static periods). I would sweat buckets above 15c with this thing on.
Yea it seems peoples temperature ranges differ. I wish I ran that warm, it would make winter so much easier.
@Will I run cold most days. I find the LT does a great job of keeping the chill away considering its weight and lack of bulkiness.
Also, the Proton FL is very breathable so if you stood still you'd freeze compared to wearing the Atom LT.
Furthermore, the Atom AR has double the coreloft insulation and so would generally be warmer than the LT but it is much less breathable as it doesn't have the side vents.
@@WillFaulkner Dude you run extremely cold. I get by with a Gamma LT in the low teens with a T shirt if I am moving outside. I will even be sweating if the activity is more strenuous. The fact that you find wearing the Atom LT cold in the low teens and need a base layer suggests you run cold and is not indicative of the actual performance of the jacket.
@@whitestrips1 Or maybe you run extremely warm. I don't think there will ever be a definitive answer to this since everyone is so different. I would be shaking if I wore my Atom AR with nothing but a t-shirt under it in 10c. 10c is not warm at all, and I'm from Scandinavia so you would think I'd be used to the cold.
@@K9V1you have an issue if you couldn’t wear an atom AR comfortably in 10c. Even the LT is comfortable for that
What are the better city jacket alternatives?
Literally anything that isn't designed as a technical piece of mountaineering equipment.
First you block the wind, then you add insulation layers. If you feeling cold, wear the windbreaker instead of $400 sandwich layer.
I own an LT and I’m confused as to why canadians wear insulation jackets without a base layer? If you understand how base a layering system works it doesn’t really make sense and it’s also kinda unhygienic (unless you’re washing your insulation layers regularly, which will inevitably degrade the insulation). I live in Scotland and it would never occur to me to throw an extra insulation jacket on over my bare torso, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen or heard of anyone doing so in my 38 years living here, but the last video I watched a dude from Canada said the same about the Proton 😂
Edit: My only complaint is the fleece panels, your kidneys can and will get dangerously cold on a windy winters day, even with a base layer and a shell.
I don’t think anyone wears the atom with nothing underneath. If it’s being used for causal use people probably just wear a regular cotton t shirt. A thermal base layer would definitely make it warmer
I had an Arc’teryx shell jacket for over 12 years.. yes it cost €750 at the time yes expensive but used it constantly Irish ☘️ weather 🌦️ excellent 👌 better than N face in quality
i bought a few arcteryx jackets, followed the washing instructions and drying instructions to a t on the website and all the enthusiasts in chats etc next thing i open the washing machine glue hanging off all jackets on the inside, 1 of the jacckets side pockets hanging off and ripped open, inside shell flaked like fuck. They are literally stitched with fucking glue lol. Shocking
We’re you able to claim warranty
@@WillFaulkner one of the more vintage ones not brand new, just shocking. Literally glued together cant have glue on water. Some Artceryx are selling for £600+ with glue tapered in the seams like what how are people buying that crap.
I can use my atom lt in temperatures 30-60 degrees. I run hot. It's super comfortable.
Yea if you run on the warmer side, it can be a great all around jacket
Totally disagree with this being overrated. It’s the perfect jacket from 25 degrees to 55 degrees Fahrenheit. It keeps your temperature neutral without getting hot or cold. You can transition from exercise to walking without getting sweaty or cold. There’s a reason it has a cult following.
Thanks for that input. I just received one that I will use for my long walks and daily wear. I have a long sleeve and short sleeve smart wool for layering.
get Atom AR...if you want warmer..
Yea i shoulda got the atom ar instead of the lt, oh well. Honestly shoulda just got the cerium lt or thorium ar instead but im deff gonna get either or both idk if the thorium will fit under my beta lt i wonder if i can wear my atom lt with the thorium over it and the beta lt on top. Or maybe just the thorium with beta lt on too.
Orre maybe the thoriums too much for that bc i feel like forsure i could do the cerium w the beta lt on top and itd be warmer than the beta lt on top of atom lt, prob could do atom lt>cerium lt>beta lt or the cerium lt first then>atom lt>beta lt on top.
Not sure which one to go for.
I need to go to the mall with both of them and try them out but last time they only had M’s so thats tough.
It anyone had a recommendation lmk.
Main reason i want the cerium or thorium over the atom lt is bc it will be warmer, i regret not going for the warmer option i thought the atom lt looked cooler tbh but regret it haha. Its still great for layering or on its own but i think cerium or thorium would be better living in toronto canada i think id get more use out of either of those for longer
Maybe save the money and just wear a thin fleece and thick fleece sweater underneath. That is currently what I do.
I prefer the Atom SL . The LT is too warm for me as active layer for 3 seasons
Hi
What jacket would you recommend over this for city use, thanks
What temperatures? Only for walking around town ?
@@WillFaulkner I have the exact same question. For me personally I'm looking for an outer layer over the top of a buttoned up shirt in temperatures around 5-18°C (it doesn't get much colder in Melbourne, Australia). I would also love to be able to use it when doing light hikes as well for multipurpose use.
@@maultima So the Atom LT would be fine for you in this case. Another option I am personally using is the 66North Tindur. Its a fleece jacket as opposed to this one. It looks good and is super warm. I did a review if you want to check out. Probably any zip up fleece would look good and be warm enough in those temperatures.
@@WillFaulkner Just watched the review, you have tempted me to get both.
Hi Will, I travel a fair bit to Canberra. Temps can get as low as -5deg Celsius. Do you think the LT would be ok? I’d be wearing a merino singlet, business shirt, thin jumper and now just looking for the perfect jacket. What are your thoughts?
Are they appropriate for everyday use, like attending college or just going town or going for a walk not in forest etc
Yea it’s totally fine for that depending on what temperature it gets too
@@WillFaulkner I guess what I mean is if you don’t look like a weirdo whilst wearing it in public unlike mountains, hiking and so forth
@@DarioYael oh yea it looks like a normal good looking jacket
@@WillFaulkner do you think there are better alternatives from this company of course… in terms of fashion
@@DarioYael this is probably the most casual looking jacket. A lot of the others are more sporty looking
I bought one of these. Went outside with it fora test. The warmth is roughly the same as a regular hoody from the north face or Tommy Hilfiger. It's that lame of a "jacket".
I disagree, the atom Lt is the perfect all around jacket. The AR is way too warm to wear while active or when moving in and out of doors. The proton is not as comfortable and looks more technical for city use. IMO the AR for static, proton while moving, but the atom lt is the best for all round use. City or mountains, it’s great.
I bought the Men's Atom hoody in a size small (I'm 5'7", 140 lbs) and it's disappointing compared to my Wife's Atom hoody from 5 years ago (named the Atom LT hoody at the time). I noticed instantly the material felt thinner and cheaper. The fit of the new Atom is also very boxy and I would not consider it "fitted" at all. I have an older Beta shell in size XS which I find can be tight in some spots so I ordered the Atom in size S, which turned out to be quite roomy. I definitely could have fit an XS and it still probably wouldn't be "fitted". The fit of Arc'teryx overall seems to have become boxier which is quite disappointing. I used to be a big fan of Arc'teryx gear but will have to reconsider ordering any more gear from them due to their decline in quality, unpredictable sizing and fit, and poor customer service.
@@AsianInnovation yea I agree, the quality was much better 5-10 years ago
The funny thing is that people keep questioning a product's durability, but what ultimately determines a product's lifespan is people's interest in it. People get bored of their garments and move on to the next shiny new jacket way sooner than the lifespan of the jacket. If you honestly say that you will keep using the jacket as long as it functions then arcteryx is one of the best brands out there. I had my atom lt for over 4 years now with heavy use from hiking to daily use without so much as a hole in it. Really great product which will ultimately save you money.
Great Points!
What are you talking about? Are you trying to say my one piece 80's multi-coloured neon ski suit is out of style?
You win. I clicked
Definitely not for city use. It’s really meant for more active use, hence the fleece panels.
I disagree on the Proton line, the Proton LT has more insulation and no fleece side panels, so you will overheat much more quickly in high output activities.
The Atom LT layered with a shell with pit zips is a killer setup for dumping heat while still staying dry in wet weather. Something that the Proton LT can’t do as effectively.
I don’t think that’s correct. The proton is more breathable than the atom. At least per the arcteryx website
@@WillFaulkner the face fabric is more breathable on the proton LT yes. But the fleece side panels really do dump a lot of heat on the atom.
its perfect for city use regardless
I love my Atom LT.
I don’t like it. less than $200 item jackets does not give me a good warmth, need under layer. Other jackets i have is just good enough meaning wearing just one layer ..works for me. You r right, pay more( $200) but good features are stripped down. Paying similar amount gave me all the features i am looking for compare to Arc’teryx.
6'0, 190lbs. Medium or large size?
Definitely large
Of all my jackets, i probably use the atom lt the most.
I disagree, but this was still a fantastic review. Well done.
there's definitely a bit of an archaeopteryx tax .... but i think its worth it.
This is such an odd review. I’m thinking you just bought the wrong jacket for your particular use case. Which in turn makes it odd you classify the jacket as overrated when in reality, it’s just not the right jacket for you.
A lot of the alternatives you mention aren’t really even directly comparable jackets to the Atom LT. For something to be overrated there would need to be a bunch of comparable jackets that perform better under the same use cases. This review didn’t really prove that 🤷♂️
Very well put Sir. All videos are just at home in apartment. No real life usage examples. No wonder its a useless review. Probably hasnt even taken pricetag off.
I think its a great midlayer with my beta
midlayer???😂
Definitely warm enough for way below 12 Celsius. That’s 54 Fahrenheit, which is long sleeve shirt weather.
yup, it keeps me warm in below -10C lmao.
Add a shell!
All your critiques just sound like you bought the wrong jacket. I think the whole point OF the atom LT is that there's always a use specific case where there's a better option but the atom LT is "pretty good" at every one of those uses. So it's much more versatile.
I agree
Dear Sir, I must say that your “overrated” is not correct and I can assure you that. First of all I live in Manhattan and you know that this town has all sorts of weather and temperature. It’s probably the best place in the world to test jackets since you have warm weather, cold, frigid, windy and snow. So I have the Atom LT and the Atom AR and for this winter I bough different layers. I have used the Atom LT from early spring (with just a t-shirt) to mid winter temperatures of windy 34° degrees. It all depends of what you use as midllayer and baselayer, with a beanie or not. This jacket is so versatile and once you use a good midlayer as a Patagonia R1 air, you’ll see the magic of this jacket. I use the Atom AR in colder temperatures around 32°. We are now at the second week of January and I would say that from spring until now I used 90% the LT and 10% the AR. The AR is also amazing. Besides all the effectiveness of the technical attributes you still have a nice style, doesn’t get dirty, easy to pack and satisfying zippers. Last but not least… best jacket for teens that don’t like to use jackets. It’s user friendly. Bro, with all that being said, this thing is definitely not overrated.
Interesting, never heard someone say Manhattan is the best spot to test outdoor performance jackets. So you’re using the atom lt with just a t-shirt at 34 Fahrenheit (1 Celsius)? You must run warm or aren’t outside very long.
@@WillFaulkner I didn’t say that. Please read again. I said I’m using since early spring (with a T-shirt). So early spring with just a T-shirt and mid winter 34° with a good midlayer as the Patagonia R1 air and a beanie. I’m explaining the versatility of this jacket once you know how to use it and again I didn’t say Manhattan is the best place to test outdoor performance. I said “Jackets” which means not necessarily performance. Jackets in general and specially if you are looking for that one versatile piece. The broad range of weather conditions found in Manhattan makes it a great venue to test and prove that the Atom LT is a great choice.
I also have the Atom LT and AR and agree with your comments 100 percent. For the most part, they are the only two jackets I wear and I live in the Midwest where it is a good place to test jackets. 😉
@@bmurray330 that’s awesome! So cool that we both have the same jackets and same opinions. We must know what we are talking about 🤙🏼
@@jpg1789Gotta 3rd this… I bought my Atom in 2009 and have used it everywhere from northern CA to CO and even Hawaii. If it is below freezing then yes you either should wear something heavier as a stand-alone or use as intended w/ a base layer and shell. I’ve worn it numerous times snowboarding and hiking in those conditions and never once have I thought “this thing is overrated.” On a few occasions I absolutely have been cold because I didn’t layer properly for the situation but 99% of the time I’ve been very happy w/ it. Highly versatile.
My Atom LT is great, don't see it around a lot it's very light yet still insulated and looks nice
perfect jacket if you ask me🤷♂️
I have this jacket as a swag from company(with team name and company logo on). Perfect fit for my Asian build but like you suggested, it’s very thin and doesn’t keep me warm even in Vancouver winter. It’s no more than a shitty windbreaker. My Salomon synthetic jacket is much better in terms of insulation and it has a lower price tag than Arc’teryx’s.
That cool you got a company jacket.
Do you know what the jacket model is for the Salomon?
@@WillFaulkner The model is discontinued. It's a reversible jacket with primaloft filling or something. When I started skiing this year, the Atom LT hoodie didn't provide any insulation for me. My hands and feet got numb in 20minutes but the salmon jacket kept limbs toasty all the time
You are just weak and have poor blood circulation. I wear the Atom LT with a T shirt and is warm up to 0 degrees C. it's meant to be thin because it's a mid layer that breathes FFS.
dawg this is a mid layer ur supposed to put a shell over it
I don't get the overrated part at all. If this clip is intended for posers, who want to put out big money for the "outdoors look," then yeah. There's better options. But that's not what this jacket was made to do. You can get the AR, now called HW, and then the conditions it's made for will totally change. It uses twice as much Coreloft. You can be static and have more warmth but if you're moving it needs to cold cold. The LT Is an active jacket. It's designed to dump heat. That makes it a better mid-layer too. And I don't understand anything about the abrasion on the fabric. Who cares? It's like a getting a rip, which happens with all jackets if you use them, and then it's tenacious tape. You said it yourself. You put it on in camp for warmth. OK. And if you're a backpacker that's what down is for. I don't think the jacket is overrated at all. Maybe the expectations of the jacket is the issue.
I dont get this jacket. I wouldnt want that material as a middle layer. its also not that warm, and not waterproof. why is this so overpriced? north face makes better stuff
I agree, I sent back my Atom LT
What jacket did you get instead? What was the dealbreaker with the atom lt?
@@WillFaulkner I got 2 Nuclei FL as they are better for everyday british weather. The fit is perfect as the Atom was way too baggy in medium
@@tbrowniscool Wow the Nuclei was more slim fitt? I thought since it's kind of considered a belay jacket it would be more roomy. Do you fnd the outer material on the Nuclei thinner than the Atom?
I am pretty sure you made a mistake. You should have stayed longer with it, trying layers and testing in different temperatures. It maybe look baggy but that’s the intelligence of the jacket. This way you have more space to trap air and make it warm. A little like a down concept warmth. Last but not least you must tighten the cords on the hips also with this purpose to trap the air inside.
@@jpg1789 No it was way too big in the shoulders and the arms were very baggy. For a midlayer that doesn't work for me
Just bout it, at 45 degree’s I’m cold
If you looking for warmth you won’t get it in this jacket. I own three of them. Great activity use purpose only.
I have the Atom LT I have to agree it is highly over rated. I think everyone is being fooled by the marketing scheme from Arc’teryx.
It is not overrated. Just overpriced
12 degrees Celsius? I laughing my Ass Off. This Jacket is Made for much colder temperatures. Except for really Cold temperatures with double digits minus, this is my Jacket of Choice for the colder times of the year.
All these reviews. Its too personal preferenced. Not a single person in the world has the same body temp. meaning its too pointless with videos like this. If the jacket was "bad" why didnt you return it. Wind in side, oh wait I like that but my neighbour doesnt. Nah its s failure son.
Arcteryx are too over rated!
Their AR outer shell jackets tend to lose its adhesiveness and come apart over time even though lightly used.
My AR is 4 years old, the only thing wrong with it are sweat stains on the cuffs and I have used to to camp, work, ski and daily use. Water still beads off of it lol
Atom AR*
Arc'teryx is ruining the brand by switching their sizing to "regular" fits. I hate to say it, but they are catering to unhealthy bodies. I don't buy for a second it's to help with "layering" --- especially when it's on jackets that have unbelievable warmth alone.
Did you know harnesses have BEEN INVENTED TOO NOT JUST THIS OVERRATED JACKET!!! LEARN SOME DOG ANATOMY AND SPARE THE PAIN YOU INFLICT TO THE DOG BY HAVING HIM/HER BY THE NECK...SURELY YOU WOULDN'T LIKE IT. 1ST LAW OF COMPASSION: DON'T DO TO OTHER BEINGS WHAT YOU DO NOT LIKE TO BE DONE TO YOU!
The LT is garbage. Get the Alpha SV or Beta AR.
The alpha sv and beta ar are shell jackets. They aren’t really comparable to the atom lt.
What a daft suggestion/comparison.
This has got to be one of the worst comparisons or suggestions I’ve ever seen in my life.
The Alpha SV is literally a Gore-Tex shell jacket meant for severe weather, lol. The two garments are not even remotely close when it comes to intended use.
Maybe stick to gaming.
idiot
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