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@@mckenzie.latham91I thought he had HIV, not syphilis... Oh well, he lived such s crazy life as an addict and as a womanizer I wouldn't be surprised if he has both!
The original version was not actually stolen… it turns out from the “ROTTEN” documentary that the director restarted from scratch on purpose to have the animation be motion captured instead of frame-by-frame, because he wasn’t with how time consuming frame-by-frame was and wanted to have a more faster method. P.S. please watch “ROTTEN: Behind the Foodfight”.
I get a suspicious feeling that the person who claimed the original footage was 'stolen' didn't want to admit they accidentally deleted the wrong files while editing..
I’m not lying when I say I literally did the Dex Dogtective and Lady X tango dance scene with a friend for a high school drama class assignment. One of the most iconic moments of my high school years lol.
Recently watched a deep dive video on this and the history behind the movie is WAY crazier than the stream mentioned. There’s evidence to suggest that the film’s footage wasn’t stolen, and that Larry Kasanoff LIED about the whole thing. The “theft” lines up perfectly with his decision to throw out all of the CG-animated footage and replace it with motion capture to cut corners; the “somebody stole the files” story was likely an excuse as to why the movie was behind on its deadlines. Threshold Animations employees have also spoken at length about Kasanoff being really creepy toward his female employees behind the scenes, overworking his animation staff by forcing them to stay overtime and having them cut and remake scenes at random, and generally being an extremely unprofessional boss. The weasel character was apparently a kind of self-insert of him (voiced by him too), and he was so sexually attracted to Lady X that he made the animators render a nude image of her for his “personal use”. So yeah, no wonder the film came out bad 👁👁 (Edit to mention that y’all aren’t too far off about Sunshine’s design! She and Dex were BOTH human in the film’s concepts, but focus groups said that kids found a human detective to be boring and would be more entertained by an anthro protagonist. Sunshine was changed to be a cat along with Dex’s redesign.)
Guy wanted to do Corridor Digital Unreal Engine 4 videos while Unreal Engine 2 was out. Also, I wish they stuck dog features on Dex or fully redesigned Sunshine to be more feline. Just to make the pairing make sense. But that'd be effort that Kasanoff would probably not allow.
Ok that is even more fkin crazier- I thought Dex was like a insert of the Chocapic or Monte mascot or a "our OC here". And thought the mo-cap besides cuttin corners was the studio trying to jump on the mo-cap trend (stuff Zemekis became known for), but the fact that a bunch of rather well animated footage was scrapped fkin sucks (even when the movie itself is shit). THe self insert and fkin "I nutted to Lady X" on behalf of the studio boss is both hillarious and fkin pathetic at the same time (and isn't better by the creep behaviour irl- I bet he had a pathetic hardon for Jessica Rabbit)
Holy shit!! First off: ew Second: in what world is Sunshine a cat? She's straight-up an anime catgirl; the only thing about her remotely feline are the ears and the tail they cut off.
This film isn't like The Room or Battlefield Earth. Those movies are funny. They're enjoyable. This is one of movies they show in the waiting room of hell to prepare the damned for the suffering, they have yet to endure. It takes unparalleled courage to watch it. You have earned my perpetual respect.
It feels like a dream Horribly fucked and nonsensical dream- you wake up, write it down and ponder what shit you watched day before to get this dream because you can't believe this shit could be real
Ferrets and Weasels have the *butterfly/moth* affect in media where one is depicted as beautiful and elegant and cute and the others are seen as ground gremlins despite them both being really cute
For me, my retail pain about chips is having to date code out so much expired product that had been left on the backs of the shelves. Both on the floor and in the back. Entire shopping carts full of products wasted! Because people couldn't be bothered to rotate inventory to make sure the oldest stuff was at the front!
When Elon changed Twitter to X, Brand X was the first thing that popped into my head. Watching this reminded me of that, and now I'm wondering if anyone has made art of Elon as the Brand X rep with the wacky walk. Also, talking about the 'shiny poop weasel' reminds me of Stephen King's Dreamcatcher, and how the actual nickname in the story for the alien worm creatures was 'shitweasels'.
Are you really perplexed by the idea of humans in this world getting high off of addictive laundry detergent because if you ask me that makes perfect sense. I mean I would if my reality looked like that just saying.
Hey Saber, that doc you mentioned actually came out and revealed the film WAS NEVER STOLEN and Larry (the director and the weasel) restarted the film to use mo cap because he didn’t understand animation and was overall a terrible director. It’s called ROTTEN and has way more info. We also got an early work print that was shown in the early 2000s.
I mean, you can reference those things in media for younger audiences, like how Lion King did it, but you have to be smart about referencing real life's most notorious supervillains.
With everyone talking about how to make things like the Illumination Lorax and Wish better, I think there should be more people thinking of ideas to improve this travesty. I actually really like the idea of a Toy Story/Wreck It Ralph/Night at the Museum world where food mascots come to life in grocery stores, and the idea of using beloved like Mr. Clean or Charlie Tuna to make the world feel more real. The mystery plot of the residents of one store being recalled due to unlisted junk food brands could've been a decent satire on consumerism. Had they had more charming personas aside from being one dimensional stereotypes and more appealing character designs, Dex, Dan, Sunshine, and all the other main characters could've been as likeable as Woody, Ralph, Roger Rabbit, or Emmet. If the rules of the world were more consistent and didn't feel like a fusion of multiple different drafts, and the licensed characters they got actually played some role in the film, whether it be developing the story or making a joke about either their personalities, ads, or products, the world would've felt genuinely immersive. And if the animation had a better style and direction, it could've been just as unique as Spider-verse and Lego Movie. I know things like The Emoji Movie, Ready Player One, Ralph Breaks the Internet, and Space Jam 2 have caused people to tire of movies like these and doing one that uses characters literally FROM commercials probably won't help that fatigue, but I have a soft spot for advertising, and can think of a ton of classic, witty, creative commercials that prove there's some form of artistry to come from it. Everyone knows the personalities of each of the M&M characters. The Trix Rabbit is considered by many to be one of the most comedically tragic cartoon characters ever. And who can't recite that Tootsie Pop ad? It's as easy as one, two, three (CHOMP!). And I think a movie that gives a closer look at these wacky worlds of selling out that we've all seen in between our favorite shows would've been fun, if in the wrong hands.
We already have Foodfight done better. It was an animated short called Logorama. All inanimate objects were corporate logos and all the people were corporate mascots. A couple of Michelin Men are cops trying to apprehend Ronald McDonald, Mr Clean is a gay stereotype, Big Boy and the Haribo boy are on a zoo field trip and get scolded by the Jolly Green Giant for taunting Leo the MGM lion, it's very weird and awesome.
You know the funny thing to me is that the premise itself isn't bad: *inside of a grocery store beloved mascots come to life and play their roles. But it all changes when a mysterious new brand,Bran X,comes in to cause chaos and attempts to take over the market.* Like it's incredibly stupid but with proper animation,ironing out the story,and properly designed characters that aren't as deep as a sheeth of paper,it honestly could work. Of course the thing to work on the most is the damn world building,which I can see why it'd be hard to figure out how it even works since brands are well... Brands. But hey The Emoji movie exists. Toy Story,Night at the Museum,The Lego Movie,hell even Sausage Party. The concept of "x thing is secretly alive right under our noses" ain't new,it just got done like garbage on literally all ends.
This whole thing has the visual quality and writing skills of Xavier: Renegade Angel but without any of the intention to be purposefully low quality like Xavier.
Omg, same. I got PTSD flashback of that frickin weasel in the movie that creeped me the heck out as a kid, when I saw the vid in my feed. Had to check it out again.
@@Samus7000 I used to have the movie on dvd. It was one of the cds that the movie was downloaded on tho. Last thing I knew, I think it was with a bunch, Im talking like 100+ movies in a garbage bag and they all were really scratched up, and most of them likely wouldn't work anymore so we ended throwing the whole bag away. All those precious memories and films as old as time, GONE!!! I have to find a way to get my hands on a copy of this movie again somehow.
I could be wrong here but I think the reason the rules are actually confusing and inconsistent in this story might be because for whatever the reason they’re using two sets of commonly used world building rules that just don’t mesh together at all. Let me explain as someone who writes as a hobby and a colossal nerd I can’t help but notice that they are both using mirror dimension logic and Toy Story logic. Toy story logic is pretty obvious to most people so I am just going to explain mirror dimension logic. Put simply that’s a type of world building where actions in one dimension impact another. For example I do something nice and my other dimension counterpart does something nasty. That’s seemingly the logic of moments like where the Ike’s get killed and the food rots. What happens in Ike world effectively causes some corresponding action in our world. Might just be the hobby writer in me but I can’t help but notice that this is like when I finish a rough draft and haven’t gone back and edited my story yet. Often at some point during the process you might change the rules to a different style of rules because that would make for a better story but because you did it late other parts of the story using your original rules don’t mesh with the new rules parts of the tale. That’s why you rewrite those parts in the editing process so everything in your world is consistent and not confusing. In other words they either didn’t have an editor or there editor did his job poorly. It’s always interesting when you’re just a hobby skills are enough knowledge to allow you a peek behind the curtain so to speak.
I did some research and apparently in some early concept animations, Dex was originally going to be human, in all honesty that'd make the whole relationship with him & Sunshine a bit less weird since it'd be a man and cat woman instead of a dog man and cat woman. Saberspark, if you come across this comment, I highly encourage you to do a video on this film's history & it's creator, Lawrence Kasanoff, it is very long but a very interesting piece of media history. note : the odd movements of the characters is because Kasanoff apparently treated the film production as if it were live action and didn't quite understand how animation worked. edit : Damn, this comment sure is popular.
This movie reminds me of the horrible movies Redbox used to have for their kids movies. I don’t remember how long ago it was or the movies name but I just remember the main characters name was Cid (can’t remember if it’s Cid or Sid) but I just remember he was a trouble maker in school and he wanted to be the best spitter or something like that. This movie’s animation reminds me so much of that for some reason, like the flood gates of horrible kids movies were opened
Let me see if I can answer some questions that came up during this watchalong. - Lawrence Kasanoff is responsible for all of this. ALL of it. He set up an animation studio - THRESHOLD ENTERTAINMENT - with no idea how to run such a studio or any clue of how to make an animated feature - he tried to direct it like a live-action film, demanding scenes be altered while they were being rigged or textured, and frequently demanded scenes be made 50% more awesome or funnier. - That story about the film being stolen is almost certainly a lie, used to cover up the fact production was running way behind and as a reason to redesign the film from being cartoonish (as seen in the trailer/pitch reel) to more realistic, a move that allows for things like motion capture. Speaking of... - The motion capture was not done by the voice actors - they used other actors for that, including a dancer who could do high kicks (guess who SHE played). Unfortunately, the motion capture didn't do faces, so everyone had to hold their heads still while doing the arm/leg movements... which explains a great deal. - Guess who voices Cheasel T. Weasel? Yep - Lawrence Kasanoff. That'll be why he's in so much of the film. - Vlad Chocool (the horny chocolate vampire guy) was voice by Larry Miller, a comedian and character actor best known from Mad About You and Boston Legal, though he tends to pop up in all sorts of stuff. - Lady X looks so sexual because... well, again, because Lawrence Kasanoff. He was reportedly obsessed with her - to the point he had a VERY non-PG image made of her that you can find on Rule34 (not that I double-checked or anything). - "The Secret's Inside" is the slogan for Dex's cereal (Cinnamon Sleuth) as well as his catchphrase. - Surprising no-one, this film isn't actually finished. Due to the loan agreement the studio had, they defaulted on their loans when the film wasn't finished by a certain deadline, so the financiers seized what was done, hired another studio to basically make it releasable and then tried to sell it at auction with a starting bid of $2 million. And no-one bid for it! Someone else eventually bought it and released it years later (in cinemas in the UK, if you can believe it!).
Stouffer's Mac n cheese is one of those things that's particularly good if you're feeling like crap. That's effectively my go-to if I have a bad headache or something and don't want to eat anything else
This movie is like a fever dream, and then you wake up and see your paralyze demon of all the characters from the movie staring at you and making really bad one liners. No matter how much therapy or type of meds you take, it will not erase what this movie has done to you.
Drinking game: Take a shot everytime Saberspark is asked something about the film that doesn't make sense, and Saber responds, exasperated, "I don't know!"
Ah, yes. Doom murdered Eddie Valiant's brother, the trauma sparking Eddie's intense distrust of toons. Meanwhile, Doom used a human disguise and his stolen simoleons to become Toon Town's judge, oppressing the rest of toonkind. Turbo tried to invade another racing game to regain attention, but got both games unplugged, starting a widespread fear across the arcade of game-jumping. Meanwhile, he used hacking skills to alter his appearance, break the code of Sugar Rush's princess, and take over the game. Priscilla Pusly...she ugly. Somehow got miraculous levels of plastic surgery, became a detergent ike, and kidnapped Sunshine Goodness...while still being recalled. Sheesh...couldn't at least say that she altered her appearance with Sunshine's essence?! And at least bring up the concept of essence sooner in the movie?
Saber...I feel your pain with the poop weasel. I clicked on this video because I'm like "Oh! I've seen Foodfight, I wanna see these guys' reaction!" And then I rEMEMBERED *THAT* ABOMINATION AND WAS LIKE "oh no, not again..."
1:14:48 It took me a minute, but that's the voice of Dr. Phineus Phibes from Shaggy &Scooby-Doo Get a Clue. It didn't click until that laugh. This movie has permanently stained the name Food Fight. Now, when people think of it, they won't think about a great Village People punk song, but a verified disaster that sucks your soul out your eyes as you watch it.
He kinda reminds of the protagonist that crappy Ratchet & Clank ripoff Ruff Trigger Think it's the very basic nature of their designs that's giving me those vibes
This movie makes no sense and I know this is just repetitive but I don't see that being brought up as much in reviews. The fact that Brand X is like a niche, 'store' brand type of thing....while the other brands, even the made-up ones are the Big Brands...and they are being threatened by the 'evil' off-brand. We are all supposed to like...cheer for big coroporations here to win and I guess hold monopoly over what is being sold XD.
You know what the animation it looks like, it looks like someone’s green screen suit and just moving around and walking and then they just add the characters to that
The motion capture tech they used was apparently so limited that the actors had to stare straight ahead while acting otherwise the model wouldn’t work right.
it gets worse if you understand where a lot of the films moments are from. there is a film called Casablanca, a 1942 film. that infamous french La Marseillaise scene was based on the very first entry of the 1942 films Tv Tropes awesome page because one of the singers and actresses was Madeleine Lebeau, a real lady who fled France when the German army invaded, which adds some more context that makes that scene much more powerful then this shit show. also from a couple of TH-cam videos , like one on this animation by DazzReviews I have found, this might have been an to attempt to scam money out of investors from a lot of the food company they got the mascots from, considering I think the directer burned his house down for the insurance. you can take what I say with a grain of salt if you need to. I don't blame you if you don't believe me.
17:29 IDK why but that "thing" just randomly grabbing that bag of chips only to stomp on it claiming "survival of the fittest" got me laughing hard for no reason
For those that don't know, the channel Ok So... released a documentary about the movie where he got to talk with people who actually worked on it the story is insane and I highly recommend it
I will say that the behind the scenes drama of this movie production is way more interesting than the actual movie itself. Like honestly it's fascinating of how this movie even exists in the first place, it was in development hell for years and the creator behind this never worked on a animated movie and had no idea how animation even work he was absolute mad man, also yes this whole movie was all mocapped I'm not kidding the reason why everything looks weird is all because of that. Not to mention the amount of stuff they wanted to plan after this movie, of course that didn't happen lmao. Lastly theres a good documentary on TH-cam called Rotten:Behind the Foodfight its so good and explains it much better detail than I ever can.
Sprinkle in a little extra shredded cheese, chives and bacon bits into your mac and cheese. YOUR TASTEBUDS WILL ASCEND. ... Dammit, I made myself hungry.
You have no idea how long I've been waiting for you to watch this! I saw this as a kid and I was shocked on the quality of the movie but yet intrigued so I continued watching lol.
Weather is bad outside so I made a list of movies I've watched in my life and you just reminded me to add another entry!😂 I really should make a "list of shame" at this point!
1:54:18 Its funny he mentioned that because both MK 2 and Foodfight share a writer, Brent Friedman, and most MK material for movies Is produced by Larry Kasanoff.
A few days after this went up, the channel "Ok, so..." uploaded their documentary "Rotten: The Story Behind the Food Fight." Must watch if this movie fascinates you! The backstory is even sleazier than I expected!
Chilly Willy has existed since the 1950s, more than 30 years prior to Kid Cuisine. I'm genuinely surprised Saberspark didn't already know this, considering that Tex Avery directed an Oscar-nominated Chilly Willy short in 1955. Also, the woman whose leg was broken by the elephant in Roar was Melanie Griffith, the daughter of Tippi Hedren, who was married to the director at the time.
This movie reminds me of the game "Secret Agent Clank." Both follow a espionage plot following a detective who is trying to avenge/exonerate someone close to them, both have a very similar scene where the protagonists get into a dance battle with one of the main antagonists, both have a really rushed and scatterbrained plot which will just cut to random characters for little to no reason, and both have Nazi villains. Also, both look and sound like total shit.
So a raisin-eating dog hangs out with a chocolate squirrel. He wants to die and I don't blame him.
Relatable
This film, to put it nicely is, "what your nightmares would look like if they never rendered properly."
Nostalgia critic
It's More Like A Cross Between Sausage Party & Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
@@ivorynk752yesss someone else gets this reference
@@KatVA1109
I put in a Nintendo cartridge and The Nostalgia Critic and Peter Griffin bled at me!
Good evening, madam. Can I interest you in my product? It's called Evil Poison Bites Death!
"Is this before or after Charlie Sheen went crazy?"
Both. This thing took like 10 years to come out, he went crazy like 8 years in
Maybe this is what drove him crazy
@@Fnafiac Think Nostalgia Critic had the same thought.
i think it was more syphillis that did that
@@mckenzie.latham91a bit of both maybe? Probably both
@@mckenzie.latham91I thought he had HIV, not syphilis...
Oh well, he lived such s crazy life as an addict and as a womanizer I wouldn't be surprised if he has both!
My animation professor used this as an example of what not to do when producing any kind of cartoon.
LMAO that’s legendary
The original version was not actually stolen… it turns out from the “ROTTEN” documentary that the director restarted from scratch on purpose to have the animation be motion captured instead of frame-by-frame, because he wasn’t with how time consuming frame-by-frame was and wanted to have a more faster method.
P.S. please watch “ROTTEN: Behind the Foodfight”.
Sounds like the director is the kinda loser to use AI for his next supposed self-proclaimed masterpiece.
So...... All that for nothing?
@@mexicanboi2005 yup
@@lukeperkins1024damn, I should've known
The Brand X representative looks like he was addicted to Brand X
never get high on your own supply Jessie
@@NegaRenGenX2gay2lift wtf?
@@sonicexe66613 Breaking bad reference
He looks he’s suffering from muscle spasms.
@@randomviewer391 i never watched breaking bad
I get a suspicious feeling that the person who claimed the original footage was 'stolen' didn't want to admit they accidentally deleted the wrong files while editing..
Turns out they just didn't want to admit they were behind on schedule.
"Accidentally."
Or maybe it was some unsung hero
that’s probably true, I don’t know who would want to steal this movie in the first place lmao
@@agentkmr
Sometimes you have to “accidentally” delete your furry por- so you can make room for the REAL artistic vision.
I have two ferrets and can confirm that they are the cutest little rascals, they're little criminals but they're MY little criminals ❤
I’m not lying when I say I literally did the Dex Dogtective and Lady X tango dance scene with a friend for a high school drama class assignment. One of the most iconic moments of my high school years lol.
I see now why this drove Nostalgia Critic to utter madness.
Recently watched a deep dive video on this and the history behind the movie is WAY crazier than the stream mentioned.
There’s evidence to suggest that the film’s footage wasn’t stolen, and that Larry Kasanoff LIED about the whole thing. The “theft” lines up perfectly with his decision to throw out all of the CG-animated footage and replace it with motion capture to cut corners; the “somebody stole the files” story was likely an excuse as to why the movie was behind on its deadlines. Threshold Animations employees have also spoken at length about Kasanoff being really creepy toward his female employees behind the scenes, overworking his animation staff by forcing them to stay overtime and having them cut and remake scenes at random, and generally being an extremely unprofessional boss. The weasel character was apparently a kind of self-insert of him (voiced by him too), and he was so sexually attracted to Lady X that he made the animators render a nude image of her for his “personal use”.
So yeah, no wonder the film came out bad 👁👁
(Edit to mention that y’all aren’t too far off about Sunshine’s design! She and Dex were BOTH human in the film’s concepts, but focus groups said that kids found a human detective to be boring and would be more entertained by an anthro protagonist. Sunshine was changed to be a cat along with Dex’s redesign.)
Guy wanted to do Corridor Digital Unreal Engine 4 videos while Unreal Engine 2 was out.
Also, I wish they stuck dog features on Dex or fully redesigned Sunshine to be more feline. Just to make the pairing make sense.
But that'd be effort that Kasanoff would probably not allow.
Ok
that is even more fkin crazier- I thought Dex was like a insert of the Chocapic or Monte mascot or a "our OC here". And thought the mo-cap besides cuttin corners was the studio trying to jump on the mo-cap trend (stuff Zemekis became known for), but the fact that a bunch of rather well animated footage was scrapped fkin sucks (even when the movie itself is shit).
THe self insert and fkin "I nutted to Lady X" on behalf of the studio boss is both hillarious and fkin pathetic at the same time (and isn't better by the creep behaviour irl- I bet he had a pathetic hardon for Jessica Rabbit)
Holy shit!!
First off: ew
Second: in what world is Sunshine a cat? She's straight-up an anime catgirl; the only thing about her remotely feline are the ears and the tail they cut off.
crazy ahh dogboy discrimination
I can't help but wonder how the "director" feels after his movie turned out so poorly received
This film isn't like The Room or Battlefield Earth. Those movies are funny. They're enjoyable. This is one of movies they show in the waiting room of hell to prepare the damned for the suffering, they have yet to endure.
It takes unparalleled courage to watch it. You have earned my perpetual respect.
We all watched it too bro, it's not that deep.
Bro thinks he's nostalgia critic
It feels like a dream
Horribly fucked and nonsensical dream- you wake up, write it down and ponder what shit you watched day before to get this dream because you can't believe this shit could be real
Also, Foodfight was made without love or care, for all the wrong reasons. It’s just a sad product.
@@M50A1 do I look like the kind of guy who would cover for a pedo?
Ferrets and Weasels have the *butterfly/moth* affect in media where one is depicted as beautiful and elegant and cute and the others are seen as ground gremlins despite them both being really cute
I mean, they're both cute ground gremlins.
They're portrayed as evil in all the Redwall books
17:37 As someone who’s worked in a grocery store, I feel that man’s pain. No one should have to clean up a bag of stepped on chips. 😢
Also it's a waste of perfectly good food that can't be donated or anything. If it's name brand, it'll just mildly annoy the distributor.
“Survival of the fittest, LeonAAAAArd”!
- New Brand X Representative?
Never happened to me, but I found several chewing gums and half eaten goods chucked on the shelves.
Some people are pigs.😔
For me, my retail pain about chips is having to date code out so much expired product that had been left on the backs of the shelves. Both on the floor and in the back. Entire shopping carts full of products wasted! Because people couldn't be bothered to rotate inventory to make sure the oldest stuff was at the front!
When Elon changed Twitter to X, Brand X was the first thing that popped into my head. Watching this reminded me of that, and now I'm wondering if anyone has made art of Elon as the Brand X rep with the wacky walk. Also, talking about the 'shiny poop weasel' reminds me of Stephen King's Dreamcatcher, and how the actual nickname in the story for the alien worm creatures was 'shitweasels'.
the whole analysis scene doesnt make sense. "The secret ingredient is highly toxic to humans but also highly addictive" My guy, its laundry detergent
TidePods.
It's the smell, Lady X's perfume was intoxicating
Plus, Brand X wasn't JUST detergent
Makes sense that people in this universe would be chugging detergent
Are you really perplexed by the idea of humans in this world getting high off of addictive laundry detergent because if you ask me that makes perfect sense. I mean I would if my reality looked like that just saying.
@@jesusramirezromo2037Yeah, Lady X talked about replacing everyone, although I'm not sure what Lizard Man and Ham Lady were supposed to be...
Hey Saber, that doc you mentioned actually came out and revealed the film WAS NEVER STOLEN and Larry (the director and the weasel) restarted the film to use mo cap because he didn’t understand animation and was overall a terrible director. It’s called ROTTEN and has way more info. We also got an early work print that was shown in the early 2000s.
1:17:14 she really just invoked 'Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer!'
This is *not* a kids movie.
I mean, you can reference those things in media for younger audiences, like how Lion King did it, but you have to be smart about referencing real life's most notorious supervillains.
guess the last wish is not a kids movie becauser it deals with coming to terms with your own mortality
@@bthsr7113 Not when characters are literally in black leather with red armbands doing the Roman salute
Honestly Foodfight managed to do something incredible, in that it's one of the few movies for me where it's actually physically painful to watch.
With everyone talking about how to make things like the Illumination Lorax and Wish better, I think there should be more people thinking of ideas to improve this travesty. I actually really like the idea of a Toy Story/Wreck It Ralph/Night at the Museum world where food mascots come to life in grocery stores, and the idea of using beloved like Mr. Clean or Charlie Tuna to make the world feel more real. The mystery plot of the residents of one store being recalled due to unlisted junk food brands could've been a decent satire on consumerism. Had they had more charming personas aside from being one dimensional stereotypes and more appealing character designs, Dex, Dan, Sunshine, and all the other main characters could've been as likeable as Woody, Ralph, Roger Rabbit, or Emmet. If the rules of the world were more consistent and didn't feel like a fusion of multiple different drafts, and the licensed characters they got actually played some role in the film, whether it be developing the story or making a joke about either their personalities, ads, or products, the world would've felt genuinely immersive. And if the animation had a better style and direction, it could've been just as unique as Spider-verse and Lego Movie. I know things like The Emoji Movie, Ready Player One, Ralph Breaks the Internet, and Space Jam 2 have caused people to tire of movies like these and doing one that uses characters literally FROM commercials probably won't help that fatigue, but I have a soft spot for advertising, and can think of a ton of classic, witty, creative commercials that prove there's some form of artistry to come from it. Everyone knows the personalities of each of the M&M characters. The Trix Rabbit is considered by many to be one of the most comedically tragic cartoon characters ever. And who can't recite that Tootsie Pop ad? It's as easy as one, two, three (CHOMP!). And I think a movie that gives a closer look at these wacky worlds of selling out that we've all seen in between our favorite shows would've been fun, if in the wrong hands.
We already have Foodfight done better. It was an animated short called Logorama. All inanimate objects were corporate logos and all the people were corporate mascots. A couple of Michelin Men are cops trying to apprehend Ronald McDonald, Mr Clean is a gay stereotype, Big Boy and the Haribo boy are on a zoo field trip and get scolded by the Jolly Green Giant for taunting Leo the MGM lion, it's very weird and awesome.
@@otaking3582yeah but that was like a school project or sum
@@Gloupkt No, it was professionally done. Even won an Oscar for best animated short 2009.
"On today's episode: the writer's barely disguised fetish."
You know the funny thing to me is that the premise itself isn't bad: *inside of a grocery store beloved mascots come to life and play their roles. But it all changes when a mysterious new brand,Bran X,comes in to cause chaos and attempts to take over the market.*
Like it's incredibly stupid but with proper animation,ironing out the story,and properly designed characters that aren't as deep as a sheeth of paper,it honestly could work. Of course the thing to work on the most is the damn world building,which I can see why it'd be hard to figure out how it even works since brands are well... Brands.
But hey The Emoji movie exists.
Toy Story,Night at the Museum,The Lego Movie,hell even Sausage Party. The concept of "x thing is secretly alive right under our noses" ain't new,it just got done like garbage on literally all ends.
Well, good news. A food fight documentary called "Rotten" got the original animation files, and are now public for everyone to see
This whole thing has the visual quality and writing skills of Xavier: Renegade Angel but without any of the intention to be purposefully low quality like Xavier.
Foodfart: Restonk
(Keel me)
I disagree. Saying that is an insult to Xavier: Renegade Angel. At least Xavier had actual clever writing and good jokes.
16:20 he's just asserting his dominance over the shop owner
I remember this movie scared me as a kid. It was the visuals…
Omg, same. I got PTSD flashback of that frickin weasel in the movie that creeped me the heck out as a kid, when I saw the vid in my feed. Had to check it out again.
You watched it? I never heard of it until I was an adult and saw the JonTron and Nostalgia Critic videos on it.
@@Samus7000 I used to have the movie on dvd. It was one of the cds that the movie was downloaded on tho. Last thing I knew, I think it was with a bunch, Im talking like 100+ movies in a garbage bag and they all were really scratched up, and most of them likely wouldn't work anymore so we ended throwing the whole bag away.
All those precious memories and films as old as time, GONE!!! I have to find a way to get my hands on a copy of this movie again somehow.
This whole film is what happens when guy on drugs is walking through the grocery store after watching Casablanca.
I could be wrong here but I think the reason the rules are actually confusing and inconsistent in this story might be because for whatever the reason they’re using two sets of commonly used world building rules that just don’t mesh together at all. Let me explain as someone who writes as a hobby and a colossal nerd I can’t help but notice that they are both using mirror dimension logic and Toy Story logic. Toy story logic is pretty obvious to most people so I am just going to explain mirror dimension logic. Put simply that’s a type of world building where actions in one dimension impact another. For example I do something nice and my other dimension counterpart does something nasty. That’s seemingly the logic of moments like where the Ike’s get killed and the food rots. What happens in Ike world effectively causes some corresponding action in our world. Might just be the hobby writer in me but I can’t help but notice that this is like when I finish a rough draft and haven’t gone back and edited my story yet. Often at some point during the process you might change the rules to a different style of rules because that would make for a better story but because you did it late other parts of the story using your original rules don’t mesh with the new rules parts of the tale. That’s why you rewrite those parts in the editing process so everything in your world is consistent and not confusing. In other words they either didn’t have an editor or there editor did his job poorly. It’s always interesting when you’re just a hobby skills are enough knowledge to allow you a peek behind the curtain so to speak.
I did some research and apparently in some early concept animations, Dex was originally going to be human, in all honesty that'd make the whole relationship with him & Sunshine a bit less weird since it'd be a man and cat woman instead of a dog man and cat woman. Saberspark, if you come across this comment, I highly encourage you to do a video on this film's history & it's creator, Lawrence Kasanoff, it is very long but a very interesting piece of media history. note : the odd movements of the characters is because Kasanoff apparently treated the film production as if it were live action and didn't quite understand how animation worked.
edit : Damn, this comment sure is popular.
Dog? He's a dog man.
@@DarkOverlord96 sorry, my mistake, I'll fix that, fixed. thanks for noticing that for me.
Stand for your Sacrifice to watch this nightmare
Also, in case anyone is still wondering, the green dude who sounds like Tim Curry is voiced by Jeff Bennett
Still Better Than Velma.
Okay, I’m on the toilet but I’ll find a way…
This movie reminds me of the horrible movies Redbox used to have for their kids movies. I don’t remember how long ago it was or the movies name but I just remember the main characters name was Cid (can’t remember if it’s Cid or Sid) but I just remember he was a trouble maker in school and he wanted to be the best spitter or something like that. This movie’s animation reminds me so much of that for some reason, like the flood gates of horrible kids movies were opened
I never thought I would see a Twitch streamer live with Saberspark. What a cool opportunity.
Let me see if I can answer some questions that came up during this watchalong.
- Lawrence Kasanoff is responsible for all of this. ALL of it. He set up an animation studio - THRESHOLD ENTERTAINMENT - with no idea how to run such a studio or any clue of how to make an animated feature - he tried to direct it like a live-action film, demanding scenes be altered while they were being rigged or textured, and frequently demanded scenes be made 50% more awesome or funnier.
- That story about the film being stolen is almost certainly a lie, used to cover up the fact production was running way behind and as a reason to redesign the film from being cartoonish (as seen in the trailer/pitch reel) to more realistic, a move that allows for things like motion capture. Speaking of...
- The motion capture was not done by the voice actors - they used other actors for that, including a dancer who could do high kicks (guess who SHE played). Unfortunately, the motion capture didn't do faces, so everyone had to hold their heads still while doing the arm/leg movements... which explains a great deal.
- Guess who voices Cheasel T. Weasel? Yep - Lawrence Kasanoff. That'll be why he's in so much of the film.
- Vlad Chocool (the horny chocolate vampire guy) was voice by Larry Miller, a comedian and character actor best known from Mad About You and Boston Legal, though he tends to pop up in all sorts of stuff.
- Lady X looks so sexual because... well, again, because Lawrence Kasanoff. He was reportedly obsessed with her - to the point he had a VERY non-PG image made of her that you can find on Rule34 (not that I double-checked or anything).
- "The Secret's Inside" is the slogan for Dex's cereal (Cinnamon Sleuth) as well as his catchphrase.
- Surprising no-one, this film isn't actually finished. Due to the loan agreement the studio had, they defaulted on their loans when the film wasn't finished by a certain deadline, so the financiers seized what was done, hired another studio to basically make it releasable and then tried to sell it at auction with a starting bid of $2 million. And no-one bid for it! Someone else eventually bought it and released it years later (in cinemas in the UK, if you can believe it!).
IBM helped them with this nonsense. They had trackerless facial mocap developed.
I am losing my mind over this damn movie!!!
"What's my motivation!?!?"
"Your a crazy guy, your crazy."
😂😂
I remember catching it on tv like a year ago, it felt so surreal
What TV channel would play this? Are you sure it wasn’t Tubi TV?
@TrebleStarcrush probably one of those channels that nobody watches
Wait did you guys know that they made characters ugly and angry if they were from brands that refused to be in the movies.
It doesn't help that even their attempts at normal humans are so warped and horrid
Stouffer's Mac n cheese is one of those things that's particularly good if you're feeling like crap. That's effectively my go-to if I have a bad headache or something and don't want to eat anything else
Yallz reactions to the poop rat is sending me. 😂😂😂
I still can't get over the fact that this movie's budget is $65 million, whereas Godzilla Minus One is the equivalent of $15 million.
I feel like most of the money went to the VAs
Whiskey, Rishi, and the Sparkman! Lesgooooo!
Does he have his Blaster?
This movie is like a fever dream, and then you wake up and see your paralyze demon of all the characters from the movie staring at you and making really bad one liners. No matter how much therapy or type of meds you take, it will not erase what this movie has done to you.
Idk if someone mentions it later but Dex is a cereal mascot not raisin like he says at 1:25:40
Sunshine is the raisin mascot
Please do a “Cartoon Mom Tier List” next!
pretty sure they did that....like years ago xD
@@RedDestruction540 They haven’t done that yet, but they did do a “Cartoon Dad Tier List” a few months ago.
Whenever I see Sunshine I just think of the Spider-Man “I’m going to die.” meme.
Drinking game: Take a shot everytime Saberspark is asked something about the film that doesn't make sense, and Saber responds, exasperated, "I don't know!"
15:42 Man Judge Doom Fell Off.
Ah, yes.
Doom murdered Eddie Valiant's brother, the trauma sparking Eddie's intense distrust of toons. Meanwhile, Doom used a human disguise and his stolen simoleons to become Toon Town's judge, oppressing the rest of toonkind.
Turbo tried to invade another racing game to regain attention, but got both games unplugged, starting a widespread fear across the arcade of game-jumping. Meanwhile, he used hacking skills to alter his appearance, break the code of Sugar Rush's princess, and take over the game.
Priscilla Pusly...she ugly. Somehow got miraculous levels of plastic surgery, became a detergent ike, and kidnapped Sunshine Goodness...while still being recalled. Sheesh...couldn't at least say that she altered her appearance with Sunshine's essence?! And at least bring up the concept of essence sooner in the movie?
Saber...I feel your pain with the poop weasel. I clicked on this video because I'm like "Oh! I've seen Foodfight, I wanna see these guys' reaction!" And then I rEMEMBERED *THAT* ABOMINATION AND WAS LIKE "oh no, not again..."
*Poop rat.
15:43 So after leaving cyberspace for the physical world, Hacker found out what drugs are.
I love Whiskey Dingo little avatar 🥰
For those wondering this movie is one big homage to Casablanca. Hence scenes like when they start singing the French national anthem.
1:14:48 It took me a minute, but that's the voice of Dr. Phineus Phibes from Shaggy &Scooby-Doo Get a Clue. It didn't click until that laugh.
This movie has permanently stained the name Food Fight. Now, when people think of it, they won't think about a great Village People punk song, but a verified disaster that sucks your soul out your eyes as you watch it.
Jeff Bennett... Better have gotten a good pay check out of this.
The dog detective guy looks like a character from a 2000s X-Box game
You're thinking of the Sam & Max series.
He kinda reminds of the protagonist that crappy Ratchet & Clank ripoff Ruff Trigger
Think it's the very basic nature of their designs that's giving me those vibes
A core memory was unlocked when you talked about the kid cuisine brownies literally melting to the plastic.
1:40:11 Pop yo what? Dude replaced cherry with corn, what the frick?
This movie makes no sense and I know this is just repetitive but I don't see that being brought up as much in reviews. The fact that Brand X is like a niche, 'store' brand type of thing....while the other brands, even the made-up ones are the Big Brands...and they are being threatened by the 'evil' off-brand. We are all supposed to like...cheer for big coroporations here to win and I guess hold monopoly over what is being sold XD.
The Brand X lady is the ultimate "Hear me out, guys. I can fix her."
Until she reveals her old hag form
You know what the animation it looks like, it looks like someone’s green screen suit and just moving around and walking and then they just add the characters to that
The motion capture tech they used was apparently so limited that the actors had to stare straight ahead while acting otherwise the model wouldn’t work right.
part of me would honestly love to see this movie get the Reanimated treatment!
And as a person from Poland- your talking about the frozen meals went over my head so hard. I mean childhood nostalgia thing.
It’s weird that Hilary Duff, who wasn’t even 18 when this was made, plays Sheen’s love interest.
Only seen reviews of this movie, mainly the famous JonTron one, but I can now FINALLY say I've seen this... Thing. Truly the movie of all time.
1:58:20 "So... what were the consequences, like, in the real world?"
The consequences were that you watched Foodfight.
Perfecr timing for the behind the scenes of food fight to come out
Even scarier, but they made merch.for the movie. I saw a story book for kids, like the ones with a pen for sound effects.
it gets worse if you understand where a lot of the films moments are from. there is a film called Casablanca, a 1942 film. that infamous french La Marseillaise scene was based on the very first entry of the 1942 films Tv Tropes awesome page because one of the singers and actresses was Madeleine Lebeau, a real lady who fled France when the German army invaded, which adds some more context that makes that scene much more powerful then this shit show.
also from a couple of TH-cam videos , like one on this animation by DazzReviews I have found, this might have been an to attempt to scam money out of investors from a lot of the food company they got the mascots from, considering I think the directer burned his house down for the insurance.
you can take what I say with a grain of salt if you need to. I don't blame you if you don't believe me.
It's awesome that you guys got Whiskey on call with you!
I remember watching this in high school and laughing every other minute 😂😂 especially around 16:30 😂😂 we would quote him so much
17:29 IDK why but that "thing" just randomly grabbing that bag of chips only to stomp on it claiming "survival of the fittest" got me laughing hard for no reason
For those that don't know, the channel Ok So... released a documentary about the movie where he got to talk with people who actually worked on it
the story is insane and I highly recommend it
I will say that the behind the scenes drama of this movie production is way more interesting than the actual movie itself.
Like honestly it's fascinating of how this movie even exists in the first place, it was in development hell for years and the creator behind this never worked on a animated movie and had no idea how animation even work he was absolute mad man, also yes this whole movie was all mocapped I'm not kidding the reason why everything looks weird is all because of that.
Not to mention the amount of stuff they wanted to plan after this movie,
of course that didn't happen lmao.
Lastly theres a good documentary on TH-cam called Rotten:Behind the Foodfight its so good and explains it much better detail than I ever can.
I never thought I'd see whiskeydingo collab with saberspark
The number of furries is growing >:3
Sprinkle in a little extra shredded cheese, chives and bacon bits into your mac and cheese. YOUR TASTEBUDS WILL ASCEND.
... Dammit, I made myself hungry.
16:03 peak character animation
Important context: The director voiced Cheesel T Weasel, and requested his animators make porn of Lady X.
Which like, explains a lot.
"Fecal" T Weasel-
Was not expecting you to collab with Whiskey for this!
Me neither. 😂
You have no idea how long I've been waiting for you to watch this! I saw this as a kid and I was shocked on the quality of the movie but yet intrigued so I continued watching lol.
Dare I say it? The Room is better than Food Fight.
You are objectively correct.
I think the only good thing to come of this movie is the line "but enough about me, let's kill you!"
I like that the lil fox guy looks zoned out asf
"If you want to watch the full video, please head over to the patreon."
*YT vid is 2+ hours"
Me: ... wut
I have never seen more than reviews of this movie so I must admit this was an absolute trip to go through.
This needs a Snapcube fandub.
Did not expect whiskeydingo
I think this should legally be the ONLY way to watch this film
Through furry vtubers?
Damn straight @@SoulCore413
Weather is bad outside so I made a list of movies I've watched in my life and you just reminded me to add another entry!😂
I really should make a "list of shame" at this point!
Alright, you got Whiskey to join you!
We’re gonna need al the whiskey for this…
The centerpiece that says, I'm DEFINITELY not evil.
1:54:18 Its funny he mentioned that because both MK 2 and Foodfight share a writer, Brent Friedman, and most MK material for movies Is produced by Larry Kasanoff.
A few days after this went up, the channel "Ok, so..." uploaded their documentary "Rotten: The Story Behind the Food Fight." Must watch if this movie fascinates you! The backstory is even sleazier than I expected!
FET-ISH MO-VIE -- Nostalgia Critic
And he was literally right
29:58 Banquet Pot Pies where my poison of choice. 1 dollar for a easy lunch.
Dingo!
Didn't expect to see trip the rift in this wholesome youtube channel
2:58 respect to old dude for respecting the channel and and asking before swearing. No joke, I’ll subscribe to him simply because of that
Master Skywalker there are too many of them what are we going to do
Master Skywalker: OOOOOOOOOH I'LL MAKE SPACE
Chilly Willy has existed since the 1950s, more than 30 years prior to Kid Cuisine.
I'm genuinely surprised Saberspark didn't already know this, considering that Tex Avery directed an Oscar-nominated Chilly Willy short in 1955.
Also, the woman whose leg was broken by the elephant in Roar was Melanie Griffith, the daughter of Tippi Hedren, who was married to the director at the time.
I already saw this on Saber's Twitch. It was fun.
i've never seen whiskeydingo before but their icon is perfect. amazing energy
Their Ike?
This movie reminds me of the game "Secret Agent Clank." Both follow a espionage plot following a detective who is trying to avenge/exonerate someone close to them, both have a very similar scene where the protagonists get into a dance battle with one of the main antagonists, both have a really rushed and scatterbrained plot which will just cut to random characters for little to no reason, and both have Nazi villains. Also, both look and sound like total shit.