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Could it be a word salad because you don't understand it? At least give an example of a sentence or segment of his speech that is unintelligible to you?
His hypothesis, in my own words. There is something metaphysical, beyond our understanding (Jordan calls the spirit of the father), that calls us to be the best version of ourselves. Part of it ( for men) is the spirit of femininity, natural selection, whatever. But, he's also suggesting that maybe it isn't merely the "drive to stay alive" or "sex", or the "judement of women" that keeps us moving forward and progressing as species. What is the overwhelming sensation that we get to be remembered and make a difference and have a significant impact on our society at large, to do good for other people? Where does it come from? He's suggesting, maybe that spirit has manifested itself across time through evolution, but also potentially with some influence from a metaphysical whatever you want to call it, humans call it god.
Harris said all Books are written by Humans. Peterson said that the "holy Books" are written by a collective subconscious "God" and make necessary Truths accessible to a wide audience, by using the Format of Story. I am not a Peterson Fan but his argument is understandable. He loses me on the necessity of these Stories to build a moral society.
Jordan Peterson: The metaphysical manifestation of the metaphorical perception of perceiving is rooted in our metahierarchy as a result of the feminine-meta-gaming of the system.
I have a hard time listening to Jordan Peterson. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough - or you're purposely obfuscating.
JP loses all credibility just by saying, "I had a vision one time..." Imagine any actual scientist or physician citing a vision they claim to have had as the foundation of their position on an issue in biomedicine. 🤣👌🏻🔮
I was listening to Jordan blathering on, as he does when he knows that he has nothing coherent to say and I was wondering, who's fuller of it, he or Deepak? A debate between the two could fertilized the Sahara Desert.
LOL. Deepak would win as he has the hubris to sit amongst actual physicists, those who specialize in quantum theory and claim he knows something. Loved watching him repeatedly trying to hold his own and stake the claim while others laughed. Jordan has had the clinical background to see pathologies and understand archetypes, again ahead of Deepak.
That’s a silly question. At least Jordan Peterson relies on observed facts and psychology, even if it’s occasionally mixed with some questionable ideas. In contrast, Deepak Chopra intentionally makes his statements so incoherent that some people mistake them for profound insights-similar to Terrence Howard. Claiming Peterson is the same as those scam artists is an unfair cheap shot.
@@andreaskarlsson5251 ---Yes, he commonly refers to his stupidity with the pronoun " WE", simply because he thinks that including the rest of the world in his mental craziness, he feels that the whole humanity is part of his world and therefore, he is right being the reason of the whole world. And he really believe he is right, since so, so many people cheer and clap every time he opens his mouth uttering an unending word salad.
@@benjaminkelble4021 ----You don't have to use a fallacy to respond to me. How can you assure that I watched this video the same time that you watched it five years ago? Any response with a little reasoning?
One thing about JP that really drives me nuts is his constant reply of "Well, it depends on what you mean by -----." It's such an evasive way to "answer" a question.
lol is putting frozen wagyu in your air fryer until its well done a raised standard of living? I'd venture its just a tapestry of daily confusion and self doubt punctuated by the wearing of the worlds most absurd suits.
Jordan used to _act_ like he didn't believe in God when he was appealing to the "rational skeptic"crowd Now he _acts_ like he does believe in God when he is appealing to the religious crowd
Watching this reminds me of Huxley's reported comment on Wilberforce. "Huxley is said to have replied that he would not be ashamed to have a monkey for his ancestor, but he would be ashamed to be connected with a man who used his great gifts to obscure the truth."
Jordan said God is a fictional character a few years back. Once I heard that, Peterson makes perfect sense today. He is just unwilling to let it out of the bag. It's as if he's afraid of the backlash from his Christian followers. It all falls into place with this realization of Jordan.😮
For those of us who are spiritual, who pray and meditate, the Torah, the Bible, the Quran, or any other religious doctrine are simply political manmade social constructs that commonly contain recognizable good and bad human archetypes; but to say these doctrine are the authoritative words of God is absolutely self-righteous and delusional for the powerless but more importantly, sinister in respect to the powerful because absolute power always becomes absolutely corrupt. Spirituality reveals that the "God" source is ALL and that every word ever spoken and written has that spark of divine source, and that source can not be bound and contained by words and manmade doctrine. As a spiritual person, I know that secular humanitarianism is the closest we'll ever get to being truly "godlike" good people.
One day, students worldwide will be presented with a continuous five minutes of Jorda's dissertation and asked, "What did he say?" The correct answer will be.... nothing.
How I wish I were Jordan Peterson's dinner waiter into perpetuity. "Well, it depends on how you define beef." "Well, I think in important ways, I am the spirit of a waiter, who is the spirit of those who waited on me, who is the spirit of those who waited on him." "A glass of water? Well, even the idea of water is hard to pin down. I mean, you can't really separate water the idea from water that gives life, without losing that life-- or at least some sense of it..." Jordan, withering and famished at an empty table. Me, cackling in a kitchen stocked of steaks, and fresh water.
So basically religion is natures way of stringing humanity along. We’re always chasing the gold at the end of the rainbow with our reward system but we never actually get anywhere. Why does Jordan Peterson believe this is a good thing?
Because he has decided that a) the Christian stuff is real, or b) that western Christians are somehow innately superior and should be defended as tho their beliefs are real.
JP actually claims here to have had an extended conversation with the spirits of his ancestors. Imagine believing that you can talk with dead people. 🤦🏻♂️🤡
How did Sam Harris put up with this babbling nonsense for so many years? Pretending like JP said anything that made sense. It took a pandemic and campaign of misinformation or him to finally see the light.
It's embarrassing to watch JP, who is normally spot on with subjects like free speech, flounder like this. He's totally out of his depth on the subject of religion, and it's frustrating when he doesn't give a straight answer.
Peterson cannot prove god exists, he never will. All his meanderings have failed to produce a shred of evidence other than prove he is a vainglorious man who loves the sound of his own voice.
Over the years I have had some experiences with people who have ended up in the psychiatric hospital with what has been diagnosed as "drug induced psychosis", the way JP talks reminds me of them. Now, I`m not saying JP fits that diagnose, it`s just the way he talks lately that gives me this "bad" feeling that makes me think about those patients. I noticed the same thing when he talked with Richard Dawkins and Alex O`Connor not so long ago. It seemed almost as if JP talked like a hippie on acid in that little debate. There is something going on with that guy. I could be wrong of course , I`m no expert. But it strongly reminds me of drugged out mental cases I have seen examples of many times before, it usually gets worse and takes a long time to get out of. I hope he sorts it out so maybe it would be possible to understand what the frigde he`s talking about
I've been thinking the same thing. To me his speech often reminds me of a paranoid and manic person. Take all the misgivings, suspiciousness, the trying to persuade and the phenomenological intensity they seem to be experiencing and just put in symbols instead of perceived foes and frights and there you have the lunatic manically trying to make us see what he sees without being able to explain it in reasonably well-suited language. The search for hidden symbolism and hidden messages sometimes is very close to hidden agendas as far as reasoning goes.
Yes! I've always suspected him of not only being abusing benzos but also stimulants. (benzos are very often abused by stimulant users too) Especially during the time of the Dillahunty debate. His ramblings were becoming more and more abstract and incoherent until he made himself cry. It screamed stimulant abuse. I remember at the time thinking he's about to crash and burn.... and a few weeks later he did. I suspect this was also the reason he went to Russia to detox. Not for his ridiculous official reason (no expert in the US could detox him from benzos) but to find a place to detox from stimulants without it being leaked. More likely because it would be an embarassment (maybe even a career killer) for an intellectual to be caught debating high on stimulants as well as for an author who's writing on motivation and self responsibility. This would be considered as moralising while cheating.
Yeah he's trying to sneak spiritually into it by calling it "the spirit of the father". When a more accurate term would be the "model of the strong wise leader".
I went to a Baptist college who taught me in Old testament history that the word for God was never meant to be God the Father. Was never meant to be a he. Pronouns are extremely important. Imagine all the hundreds of millions of females that had to live in a world where male people think God is a man
JP took a long way around but ended up with no dragon in the garage. Every time he and others are challenged on god, they adjust the definition and don't even realize they end up with no dragon at all in the garage.
Excusesegists-that’s exactly what they are. You break down every one of their falsehoods, and when they’re cornered with no ground left to stand on, their final, desperate excuse is free will. And let’s be real, that’s the cringiest one of all.
The left hemisphere is more articulate than the right; yet the right hemisphere does almost all meaningful and important effort in the brain to organize an effectual worldview. The idea that what is difficult to express is therefore unscientific is itself unscientific in that it forsakes everything we know about neuroscience.
Ill never take seriously anyone who knowingly treats a book that has been amended, edited, censored, remastered, translated, retranslated, reworded, and revised as if it is divinely inspired and pure of human corruption. I find it equally laughable that such people can have the numerous inconsistencies pointed out to them, and they still try to bend logic and reason beyond recognition; just to insulate their insecurities.
I have never seen more rambling gibberish in my life, listening to JP talk is like watching Monty Python's "Race for people with no sense of direction".
Forget Peterson why can’t all religions adopt a 21st century understanding of humanity and morality and filter themselves for a one world religion of peace and prosperity? Why isn’t it enough to say “stealing is bad”? Instead of “stealing is bad because it makes the being who created you unhappy and he will bring upon you eternal suffering?”
What is he saying about father imitation? Did he pretend he was his father as a kid? Or is he saying a father influences how you behave? Because duh... I can't wrap my head around the sheer number of people taking this man seriously...
We’re never going to completely disprove Jesus as the son of god. Once you understand Christianity is intentionally left with blanks that can’t be filled you realize it’s actually as complete as it can be without answering the question of god for sure. The whole is to form your heart to god without being forced. For many people just knowing he’s real 100% will force them to accept god out of fear. It has to be a choice or it’s meaningless, this whole life is simply about choices.
JP doesn't need to assume anything about the well documented evolution of what books are included in the Bible, we have records that explain it. A theologian should be educated on that history because it carries important context. This is why it is so easy to mistake what the scripture means because most people don't know the historical context.
If you read any or heard any of the ancient Greek teachings interpretations by Dr Ammon Hillman you would know that there was a lot going on that people have no idea about thanks to him translating so many ancient medical texts. I've been shook my whole faith has been shook
Look, you can fall down on whatever side you want with JP, I really couldn't care. But I thought Pangburn were meant to be a classy, neutral set-up. Now I see multiple old re-postings from Pangburn that have click-bait titles and dumb thumbnails that try to make a rather intelligent man little more than something to laugh at. You can do better.
"When I was analysing religious texts!" Peterson has not read the whole Bible, that is guaranteed. He always comes back to Cain and Abel, and the story of Isaac.
Peterson can't answer a simple question without multiple digressions and parentheticals because his arguments are riddled with logical fallacies. I can't believe that Sam wasted so much time with this charlatan 😢
We don't agree on how it was created? It was written by people who knew literally nothing of science or the universe whatsoever. Giving them any kind of credit is just the actions of desperate cultists.
So not Jesus smuggle to God smuggling. I'm confused, help me out here they belive Jesus is God right, man worship? Or did JP subconsciously admit Jesus is distinct from God and not God? God??
Jordan Peterson is a very disturbed man. He is living day to day with agitation. The man does not know inner peace. It's so unfortunate. And at the end of the day, the kindest response to him is to be considerate that he may find his way by giving up his idiotic ideas. Probably won't happen. But there is a way out for him to actually lead a happy life.
Jesus christ, man, the truth is that there is no freaking god. Why do knowledgeable people like this guy sam harris keep on debating about freaking fiction?
Because it's important to address these wildly held beliefs, and especially the processes that enable and sustain them. The Bible teaches one to turn off thought, to ignore evidence, and to decline to reason.
@@antondovydaitis2261 -----How can a being living in these times keep on processing his mind with thoughts, ideas and whatever that are written in a book that belongs to a time wherein the people didn't even have toilet paper to wipe their rears? The only common tie that we have with those ancient people,. of any ethnicity, is that we are still trying to wipe out the whole Earth off living creatures with wars after wars. Unfortunately, we are getting closer and closer to achieve this goal.
Jordan Peterson doesn’t understand “how the Bible was constructed”. I guess he hasn’t done much exploration then. The world has always had people who “talk to god” or otherwise connect to the “other world”, today they are often referred to as “channelers”. Long story short, whatever it is they are doing (and to the extent they are honest and not charlatans, they are clearly just communicating with aspects of themselves)...it’s not talking to god and their messages rarely if ever come to pass in the physical world.
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Never have so many words said so little.
What do you mean by "so?" 🧐
Get out your blue cheese dressing, here comes the JP word salad. 🥗
I hope he doesn't cry on it this time his tears are too salty.
Haha he's the clown king of word salads! I'm so ashamed he's a countryman of mine 👹🤘🤘
@@Diatribal_Warfare
Evidently you didn't have the honor of listen to Ravi Zacharias...😖
@@Diatribal_Warfareoh relax
Could it be a word salad because you don't understand it? At least give an example of a sentence or segment of his speech that is unintelligible to you?
Jordan Peterson enjoyers: please summarize the argument he’s making here in your own words. I dare you
babblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabblebabble
His hypothesis, in my own words. There is something metaphysical, beyond our understanding (Jordan calls the spirit of the father), that calls us to be the best version of ourselves. Part of it ( for men) is the spirit of femininity, natural selection, whatever. But, he's also suggesting that maybe it isn't merely the "drive to stay alive" or "sex", or the "judement of women" that keeps us moving forward and progressing as species. What is the overwhelming sensation that we get to be remembered and make a difference and have a significant impact on our society at large, to do good for other people? Where does it come from? He's suggesting, maybe that spirit has manifested itself across time through evolution, but also potentially with some influence from a metaphysical whatever you want to call it, humans call it god.
Harris said all Books are written by Humans. Peterson said that the "holy Books" are written by a collective subconscious "God" and make necessary Truths accessible to a wide audience, by using the Format of Story.
I am not a Peterson Fan but his argument is understandable.
He loses me on the necessity of these Stories to build a moral society.
Jordan Peterson: The metaphysical manifestation of the metaphorical perception of perceiving is rooted in our metahierarchy as a result of the feminine-meta-gaming of the system.
@@voiceofmanley9339that didn’t help much.
I have a hard time listening to Jordan Peterson. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough - or you're purposely obfuscating.
JP loses all credibility just by saying, "I had a vision one time..." Imagine any actual scientist or physician citing a vision they claim to have had as the foundation of their position on an issue in biomedicine. 🤣👌🏻🔮
A theory begins with an imagination
Mendeleev claimed he saw his Periodic table in a dream. Imagine that, Goofball.
I was listening to Jordan blathering on, as he does when he knows that he has nothing coherent to say and I was wondering, who's fuller of it, he or Deepak? A debate between the two could fertilized the Sahara Desert.
Greatest idea in one of the funniest comments I’ve ever read.
the audience would need full PPE to keep from getting covered in all of that bullshit.
LOL. Deepak would win as he has the hubris to sit amongst actual physicists, those who specialize in quantum theory and claim he knows something. Loved watching him repeatedly trying to hold his own and stake the claim while others laughed. Jordan has had the clinical background to see pathologies and understand archetypes, again ahead of Deepak.
Deepak.
I don't like JP. Deepak is purely shite.
That’s a silly question. At least Jordan Peterson relies on observed facts and psychology, even if it’s occasionally mixed with some questionable ideas. In contrast, Deepak Chopra intentionally makes his statements so incoherent that some people mistake them for profound insights-similar to Terrence Howard. Claiming Peterson is the same as those scam artists is an unfair cheap shot.
JP, finally, has admitted that he is completely nuts !!!
When he tried to remove his foot from his mouth by going "we're all stupid."
Then the word stupid loses all meaning if it applies to everyone. ~~
@@andreaskarlsson5251 ---Yes, he commonly refers to his stupidity with the pronoun " WE", simply because he thinks that including the rest of the world in his mental craziness, he feels that the whole humanity is part of his world and therefore, he is right being the reason of the whole world. And he really believe he is right, since so, so many people cheer and clap every time he opens his mouth uttering an unending word salad.
"Finally" when this conversation occurred like 5 years ago. Good one bud.
@@benjaminkelble4021 ----You don't have to use a fallacy to respond to me. How can you assure that I watched this video the same time that you watched it five years ago? Any response with a little reasoning?
@@ramonroman4363 Like the time stamp that says "posted 2 hrs ago"? That kind of proof?
One thing about JP that really drives me nuts is his constant reply of "Well, it depends on what you mean by -----." It's such an evasive way to "answer" a question.
He's a word salad bar.
JP doesn't just smuggle Jesus, he snuggles Jesus, because it raised his standard of living. 💰✝️
All those prescription pills are expensive.
You must be a comedian. 😂
@@RationalSapien24 Jesus likes to spoon. 🥄
lol is putting frozen wagyu in your air fryer until its well done a raised standard of living? I'd venture its just a tapestry of daily confusion and self doubt punctuated by the wearing of the worlds most absurd suits.
@@SpencerDonahueYou can not speak anywhere near the level of the people you emulate. Your comment is nearly nonsensical.
Peterson: "I made the case..." by simply asserting without evidence. Hypotheses are questions, not statements made without evidence.
No, hypotheses do not require evidence. Corroborating or falsifying them does.
Jordan used to _act_ like he didn't believe in God when he was appealing to the "rational skeptic"crowd
Now he _acts_ like he does believe in God when he is appealing to the religious crowd
He is an actor
According to Jordan when women decide on who to mate with, it's actually the men choosing for them, since men set up the hierarchy.
Hierarchy, police lineup;
TomAHto, tomEHto
And somehow that proves god 😂
One of Jordan's rules is, be precise in your speech. The irony
Watching this reminds me of Huxley's reported comment on Wilberforce. "Huxley is said to have replied that he would not be ashamed to have a monkey for his ancestor, but he would be ashamed to be connected with a man who used his great gifts to obscure the truth."
I love how we just skipped right on by I had a vision......sure you did
Jordan said God is a fictional character a few years back. Once I heard that, Peterson makes perfect sense today. He is just unwilling to let it out of the bag. It's as if he's afraid of the backlash from his Christian followers. It all falls into place with this realization of Jordan.😮
That's why he was scared to admonish the Jan 6 rioters because that's a huge chunk of his fan base. He's super audience captured.
JP is the king of gibbering
I think what people don't like is that Peterson is a Christian but wont admit it.
For those of us who are spiritual, who pray and meditate, the Torah, the Bible, the Quran, or any other religious doctrine are simply political manmade social constructs that commonly contain recognizable good and bad human archetypes; but to say these doctrine are the authoritative words of God is absolutely self-righteous and delusional for the powerless but more importantly, sinister in respect to the powerful because absolute power always becomes absolutely corrupt.
Spirituality reveals that the "God" source is ALL and that every word ever spoken and written has that spark of divine source, and that source can not be bound and contained by words and manmade doctrine.
As a spiritual person, I know that secular humanitarianism is the closest we'll ever get to being truly "godlike" good people.
Yes Humanists are some of the most wonderful people around
One day, students worldwide will be presented with a continuous five minutes of Jorda's dissertation and asked, "What did he say?" The correct answer will be.... nothing.
How I wish I were Jordan Peterson's dinner waiter into perpetuity. "Well, it depends on how you define beef."
"Well, I think in important ways, I am the spirit of a waiter, who is the spirit of those who waited on me, who is the spirit of those who waited on him." "A glass of water? Well, even the idea of water is hard to pin down. I mean, you can't really separate water the idea from water that gives life, without losing that life-- or at least some sense of it..."
Jordan, withering and famished at an empty table. Me, cackling in a kitchen stocked of steaks, and fresh water.
Jordan Peterson is hallucinating, but is not brave or wise enough to accept that those are hallucinations.
He should take Clozapine medicine then.😂😂😂😂
Yeah for real. He is literally on stage talking about communicating with ancestral spirits 😂. At some point we have to call the bluff
I've noticed anytime Jordan gets nervous he plays with his wedding ring.
Great observation.
So basically religion is natures way of stringing humanity along. We’re always chasing the gold at the end of the rainbow with our reward system but we never actually get anywhere. Why does Jordan Peterson believe this is a good thing?
Because he has decided that a) the Christian stuff is real, or b) that western Christians are somehow innately superior and should be defended as tho their beliefs are real.
JP actually claims here to have had an extended conversation with the spirits of his ancestors. Imagine believing that you can talk with dead people. 🤦🏻♂️🤡
That’s not what he said but okay
@@bobbyhulll8737JP clearly says his discussion went from his
father to a series of his ancestral spirits and then g0d directly.
Why does everyone just let him ramble...
Peterson is the biggest rambler I’ve ever listened to. 😂
How did Sam Harris put up with this babbling nonsense for so many years? Pretending like JP said anything that made sense. It took a pandemic and campaign of misinformation or him to finally see the light.
Sam - "The Bible is a manmade book." Jordan - "I had a vision." ??????
😂 JP the Jesus Smuggler. And he admits it, lol
Good job by Sam in using scare tactics and loaded language to inspire fear, instead of actually responding to JP's argument. And i am no fan of JP
Peterson reminds me of listening to my college roommate, after he had taken drugs, talk on and on and on without saying anything coherent.
Sam actually makes sense of the JP nonsense word salad and actually feeds us with reality .❤
It's embarrassing to watch JP, who is normally spot on with subjects like free speech, flounder like this.
He's totally out of his depth on the subject of religion, and it's frustrating when he doesn't give a straight answer.
Peterson cannot prove god exists, he never will.
All his meanderings have failed to produce a shred of evidence other than prove he is a vainglorious man who loves the sound of his own voice.
Peterson has admitted in other debates that people need the belief in god, even if its false, and especially stupid people.
Jordan: I don't undestand god, but I talk about god all day long.
Over the years I have had some experiences with people who have ended up in the psychiatric hospital with what has been diagnosed as "drug induced psychosis", the way JP talks reminds me of them. Now, I`m not saying JP fits that diagnose, it`s just the way he talks lately that gives me this "bad" feeling that makes me think about those patients. I noticed the same thing when he talked with Richard Dawkins and Alex O`Connor not so long ago. It seemed almost as if JP talked like a hippie on acid in that little debate. There is something going on with that guy. I could be wrong of course , I`m no expert. But it strongly reminds me of drugged out mental cases I have seen examples of many times before, it usually gets worse and takes a long time to get out of. I hope he sorts it out so maybe it would be possible to understand what the frigde he`s talking about
I've been thinking the same thing. To me his speech often reminds me of a paranoid and manic person. Take all the misgivings, suspiciousness, the trying to persuade and the phenomenological intensity they seem to be experiencing and just put in symbols instead of perceived foes and frights and there you have the lunatic manically trying to make us see what he sees without being able to explain it in reasonably well-suited language. The search for hidden symbolism and hidden messages sometimes is very close to hidden agendas as far as reasoning goes.
Yes! I've always suspected him of not only being abusing benzos but also stimulants. (benzos are very often abused by stimulant users too) Especially during the time of the Dillahunty debate. His ramblings were becoming more and more abstract and incoherent until he made himself cry. It screamed stimulant abuse. I remember at the time thinking he's about to crash and burn.... and a few weeks later he did. I suspect this was also the reason he went to Russia to detox. Not for his ridiculous official reason (no expert in the US could detox him from benzos) but to find a place to detox from stimulants without it being leaked. More likely because it would be an embarassment (maybe even a career killer) for an intellectual to be caught debating high on stimulants as well as for an author who's writing on motivation and self responsibility. This would be considered as moralising while cheating.
Yeah he's trying to sneak spiritually into it by calling it "the spirit of the father". When a more accurate term would be the "model of the strong wise leader".
I went to a Baptist college who taught me in Old testament history that the word for God was never meant to be God the Father. Was never meant to be a he. Pronouns are extremely important. Imagine all the hundreds of millions of females that had to live in a world where male people think God is a man
'Essential radical ignorance' is the perfect self-description, Jordy.
Nice one
4:25 I can assure you I never abstracted and mimicked the spirit of my father 💁🏾♂️
JP took a long way around but ended up with no dragon in the garage. Every time he and others are challenged on god, they adjust the definition and don't even realize they end up with no dragon at all in the garage.
Jordan: We don't understand the "spirit of the father" therefore God!
Sam: We're not that stupid.
Still waiting for Sam's point
7:28 it could have been different but it hasn't been different.
What nonsense.
No wonder he needed murray to help him out.
JP, the greatest BSer of social media. Thanks Canada ! 😂
That is the longest winded BS answer for a learned behavior.. in which the god of the Bible is destructive and murderous
Excusesegists-that’s exactly what they are. You break down every one of their falsehoods, and when they’re cornered with no ground left to stand on, their final, desperate excuse is free will. And let’s be real, that’s the cringiest one of all.
The left hemisphere is more articulate than the right; yet the right hemisphere does almost all meaningful and important effort in the brain to organize an effectual worldview. The idea that what is difficult to express is therefore unscientific is itself unscientific in that it forsakes everything we know about neuroscience.
Likewise, the "Noble Lie" may be like water, it may need vessels to carry it also.
Ill never take seriously anyone who knowingly treats a book that has been amended, edited, censored, remastered, translated, retranslated, reworded, and revised as if it is divinely inspired and pure of human corruption. I find it equally laughable that such people can have the numerous inconsistencies pointed out to them, and they still try to bend logic and reason beyond recognition; just to insulate their insecurities.
I have never seen more rambling gibberish in my life, listening to JP talk is like watching Monty Python's "Race for people with no sense of direction".
Forget Peterson why can’t all religions adopt a 21st century understanding of humanity and morality and filter themselves for a one world religion of peace and prosperity?
Why isn’t it enough to say “stealing is bad”? Instead of “stealing is bad because it makes the being who created you unhappy and he will bring upon you eternal suffering?”
Jordan Peterson literally explained Pyramid Schemes here and no it’s not about the most competent at the top…..it’s whoever is the most popular
So many words to say so very little.
What is he saying about father imitation? Did he pretend he was his father as a kid? Or is he saying a father influences how you behave? Because duh...
I can't wrap my head around the sheer number of people taking this man seriously...
We’re never going to completely disprove Jesus as the son of god. Once you understand Christianity is intentionally left with blanks that can’t be filled you realize it’s actually as complete as it can be without answering the question of god for sure. The whole is to form your heart to god without being forced. For many people just knowing he’s real 100% will force them to accept god out of fear. It has to be a choice or it’s meaningless, this whole life is simply about choices.
Jordan must have driven his parents nuts with his word salad attempt to explain why his hand was in the cookie jar.
JP doesn't need to assume anything about the well documented evolution of what books are included in the Bible, we have records that explain it. A theologian should be educated on that history because it carries important context. This is why it is so easy to mistake what the scripture means because most people don't know the historical context.
That’s not what Harris said
@bobbyhulll8737 correct, I am not repeating what Harris said. I am making a critique on how JP interprets the meaning of biblical writings.
Occasionally, I intentionally chose to watch videos and talks of JPisser... merely in order not to forget how PiA
feels!
You know that Eddie Murphy movie where the tree loses a leaf everytime he wastes words…. JP if there is a god I need you to be the owner of that tree
If you read any or heard any of the ancient Greek teachings interpretations by Dr Ammon Hillman you would know that there was a lot going on that people have no idea about thanks to him translating so many ancient medical texts. I've been shook my whole faith has been shook
Forget about it Jordan, it’s a collection of books from antiquity.
"I had a vision..."
*god delusion
JP and Deepak should have a debate.
How convenient that the "wisest part" of JPs father happened to agree with his inane points in his hallucination
Let art and science inspire. Unless you're Jordan Peterson.
JP is an utter waste of time
Did Jordan just say he doesn’t practice what he preaches.
It depends on what you mean by words. - JP
Look, you can fall down on whatever side you want with JP, I really couldn't care. But I thought Pangburn were meant to be a classy, neutral set-up. Now I see multiple old re-postings from Pangburn that have click-bait titles and dumb thumbnails that try to make a rather intelligent man little more than something to laugh at. You can do better.
"When I was analysing religious texts!" Peterson has not read the whole Bible, that is guaranteed. He always comes back to Cain and Abel, and the story of Isaac.
Why is Jordan going off on his normal psychiatric talk about men?man it frustrates me how he wait so much time doing that
Oh god here goes JP again, interrupting himself and running circles in his mind.
Peterson can't answer a simple question without multiple digressions and parentheticals because his arguments are riddled with logical fallacies. I can't believe that Sam wasted so much time with this charlatan 😢
At least JP isn't using his high pitched piercing voice this time.
Oh dear this is painful. So now he's talked with god.
7:50 ohhhhh! It's a bingo!
We don't agree on how it was created? It was written by people who knew literally nothing of science or the universe whatsoever. Giving them any kind of credit is just the actions of desperate cultists.
The spirit of the father…..
So not Jesus smuggle to God smuggling. I'm confused, help me out here they belive Jesus is God right, man worship? Or did JP subconsciously admit Jesus is distinct from God and not God? God??
How many times can I say spirit of the father
I never grew up immitating their father. Did anyone?
And even if they did, what of it?
These thumbnails bruh XD
Peterson in a nutshell. We need god to exist because stupid people need god to exist and we need to be able to control stupid people.
Jordan Peterson is a very disturbed man. He is living day to day with agitation. The man does not know inner peace. It's so unfortunate. And at the end of the day, the kindest response to him is to be considerate that he may find his way by giving up his idiotic ideas. Probably won't happen. But there is a way out for him to actually lead a happy life.
Summary? I got to 5 mins and I'm done.
Jesus christ, man, the truth is that there is no freaking god. Why do knowledgeable people like this guy sam harris keep on debating about freaking fiction?
Because it's important to address these wildly held beliefs, and especially the processes that enable and sustain them.
The Bible teaches one to turn off thought, to ignore evidence, and to decline to reason.
@@antondovydaitis2261 -----How can a being living in these times keep on processing his mind with thoughts, ideas and whatever that are written in a book that belongs to a time wherein the people didn't even have toilet paper to wipe their rears? The only common tie that we have with those ancient people,. of any ethnicity, is that we are still trying to wipe out the whole Earth off living creatures with wars after wars. Unfortunately, we are getting closer and closer to achieve this goal.
the two god-botherers in this debate don't believe a single word they're spewing. gaslighting by grifters.
Jordan Peterson doesn’t understand “how the Bible was constructed”. I guess he hasn’t done much exploration then. The world has always had people who “talk to god” or otherwise connect to the “other world”, today they are often referred to as “channelers”. Long story short, whatever it is they are doing (and to the extent they are honest and not charlatans, they are clearly just communicating with aspects of themselves)...it’s not talking to god and their messages rarely if ever come to pass in the physical world.
JP has bern speaking to himself, he actually needs help. People don't see it. He has mental issues
Jordan Peterson just wants to believe SO badly!
Jordan talks so much about absolutely nothing that has to do with god or religion. So much effort to distract from the actual question or topic.
the irony of the whole situation is that sam Harris is actually the stupid persons smart guy.
JP garbage
So god of the gaps. Got it.
While it is not true that all conservative people are stupid it is true that most stupid people are conservatives.- J.S. Mill.
FEAR
Aĺl nonsence.
So he had a vision of his father and communicated with his ancesteral spirits leading to god the father? Wtf is he talking about 😂
Benzos and Adderall
Just get real man! I mean JP.