First Take debates what Chief Wahoo logo removal means for other teams | First Take | ESPN

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  • First Take's Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman, along with guest Will Cain, debate what the removal of the Chief Wahoo logo by the Cleveland Indians means for other sports teams.
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  • @iamdavid5705
    @iamdavid5705 6 ปีที่แล้ว +135

    I'm native American and I like the logo personally

  • @Sooner_Smith
    @Sooner_Smith 6 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    I’m Native American, Seminole/Creek, and I could not care less. We have bigger issues than the name of a professional sports team.

  • @ajantone1593
    @ajantone1593 6 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    What doesn't ESPN get some natives on their show to explain why these things are so discriminating instead of having white and black dudes debate it

    • @rubenroque9211
      @rubenroque9211 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You hit the nail right in the head.

  • @ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother
    @ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother 6 ปีที่แล้ว +330

    Max wants to fight Will Cain so bad lol

    • @nnorush85
      @nnorush85 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      Reginald Pippin I got 10 on max

    • @hublotrap7644
      @hublotrap7644 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dog 😭😂

    • @PKdororo
      @PKdororo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Max is a G. He'll fight you and call his own fight.

    • @ericbrito3610
      @ericbrito3610 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Max vs Will UFC 221 Main Event

    • @austinoldfield5251
      @austinoldfield5251 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Rckless ur music is terrible

  • @patrickfennell6372
    @patrickfennell6372 6 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    The irony of the Redskins debate is that many Indian reservation high schools use the Redskins name for their teams.

    • @authenticlooksgrip8427
      @authenticlooksgrip8427 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No they don’t lol

    • @Zachito15
      @Zachito15 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I've lived on my rez for years and have not encountered one redskin nickname. You don't know us, gtfo

    • @Tidwell1988
      @Tidwell1988 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Just cuz black people say nigga don't mean white people get to say it but yet they do n don't know nothin bout da struggle

    • @WestCoastDon448
      @WestCoastDon448 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Patrick Fennell so it 90% of native Americans like the name but 10% find it offensive I guess minority rules?

    • @ambroseburnside5764
      @ambroseburnside5764 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Tidwell1988 Shut your bitch ass up

  • @iiNeVeRCluTcH
    @iiNeVeRCluTcH 6 ปีที่แล้ว +222

    Dallas Cowboys need to change their name. My grandpa was a cowboy and i find it extremely offensive

    • @anonymouslynobody6109
      @anonymouslynobody6109 6 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Cody was he in broke back mountain

    • @bboywolf
      @bboywolf 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      indians are referring to a race of people... when did cowboy refer to your grandpa's ethnicity/race? you're 100% white

    • @alfredoruwariye1991
      @alfredoruwariye1991 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      1ightskin 1eo lmfaooo

    • @cubzrulz
      @cubzrulz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Wolfwarrior We must remove the yankees as well. It was a derogatory term. Except its okay now why? Oh because people weren't offended by everything.

    • @fcdl61
      @fcdl61 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Daz and the LA Dodgers must change their name because it offends draft dodgers like Trump and Cheney.

  • @Gabe_Lopez
    @Gabe_Lopez 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    They're changing the logo because it offends people like Max Kellerman who find everything offensive when most native Americans don't find the logo or the name offensive.

  • @eugenebridge6157
    @eugenebridge6157 6 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    There is not one god damn Irish person offended by the term fighting Irish

    • @SK-qu4wo
      @SK-qu4wo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Eugene Bridge
      Because it portrays your culture in a noble light. Who wouldn't want to be associated with a bad ass mascot like that? The Cleveland Indians logo is a demeaning 1940's caricature of how Americans viewed Native Americans during that time. And we all know what that was.

    • @cythegrate9989
      @cythegrate9989 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      LongSnappersLivesMatter no it doesn't... stop it already, there's no bottle of booze in the fictional leprechauns hand. That's one dumbass justification lol

    • @curtspins7626
      @curtspins7626 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aw yes, the Drunken Louts of Notre Dame. Kinda has a ring to it, no?

    • @SK-qu4wo
      @SK-qu4wo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      curt spins
      Okay so everybody is now supposed to feel sorry for Irish people? GTFOH! Your ancestors are the ones who committed genocide against the Native Americans and then they turn around and mock them with a demeaning mascot and team name. As for the Irish themed mascots, who do you think came up with them? Not Native Americans. Most likely it was Irish Americans themselves who coined those names, logos and mascots. No coincidence that all the teams with Irish themed names and mascots are located in regions that are predominantly Irish. You pricks are proud of being drunks and brawlers so how can anyone expect you to be sensitive towards issues that affect the lives of other races.

    • @curtspins7626
      @curtspins7626 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glacius -- You misread me. The Irish are NOT my people. OK? I mean, there "might" be just a wee bit of Irish blood, but not any way that I culturally identify with. I'm MOCKING the Irish with the Drunken Louts.

  • @chronocowboy4021
    @chronocowboy4021 6 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    I'm so glad the Indians changed it. I was losing sleep at night knowing they had a negative stereotype(sarcasm)

    • @_Larzy
      @_Larzy 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ChronoJack 😂

    • @cythegrate9989
      @cythegrate9989 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ChronoJack of course you weren't... it doesn't fuckin involve you or your people.

    • @chronocowboy4021
      @chronocowboy4021 6 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Cy The Grate I'm sure you were thinking about the Cleveland Indians logo every day mate. Most Native Americans don't care about it or the Redskins. In fact, a lot of them like it. Look at the stats and numbers

    • @cythegrate9989
      @cythegrate9989 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      ChronoJack fuck you're stats and numbers based off a handful of a remaining people just looking to survive.. I'm far from a friend "mate".

    • @SL-vw7ix
      @SL-vw7ix 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Their still gonna use the logo for merch

  • @mlo009
    @mlo009 6 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I love the Chief Wahoo logo, dammit man!

  • @lennyshay6227
    @lennyshay6227 6 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Max just said they should change the fighting Irish 😂😂

    • @dr.deadass140
      @dr.deadass140 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      being Irish myself, you can call me a Mick to my face and i wouldnt give a shit. Hell, if they made a sports team called "The Drunken Micks" id be there number 1 fan haha. Most irish people dont give a shit.

    • @dr.deadass140
      @dr.deadass140 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      jessesam lol I'm American but almost all my descendency is Irish. Shoulda worded that better

  • @josuehernandez097
    @josuehernandez097 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I will keep wearing it

  • @bubbisvali
    @bubbisvali 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Bring back Chief Wahoo

  • @peenchub151
    @peenchub151 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m Irish and I do not give a shit that Notre Dame has the name fighting Irish. Just because SOME people find it offensive does not mean you should just change it.

  • @brianfuller5868
    @brianfuller5868 6 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    ESPN HAS NO CREDIBILITY.

    • @felmin809
      @felmin809 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So dont watch

    • @brianfuller5868
      @brianfuller5868 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Daniel Bencosme Honestly I watch almost no ESPN now. It's also completely Leftist and even the quality of the sports coverage has declined. Max Kellerman is a douche. Remember when ESPN actually was sports/entertainment and not SJW?

    • @felmin809
      @felmin809 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats why i watch fox sports

  • @gallennorris782
    @gallennorris782 6 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I'm part Irish and am in no way offended by the fighting Irish or leprechaun of Notre Dame Mr Kellerman.

    • @nickfoles8679
      @nickfoles8679 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Gallen Norris I'm Irish american and even the concept of being offended by the fighting Irish logo never crossed my mind.

    • @TheTinyTimmyTimTim
      @TheTinyTimmyTimTim 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Because it’s a compliment. It means you guys have fighting spirits. If they called you alcoholic soulless gingers instead, would you still feel the same?

    • @kalel33
      @kalel33 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      TheTinyTimmyTimTim the "Fighting Irish" is a negative connotation based on Irishmen getting drunk and fighting.

    • @nickfoles8679
      @nickfoles8679 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      kalel33 No it's not. Read up on the history of Notre Dame sometime.

    • @nickfoles8679
      @nickfoles8679 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      King of all BLACKS You have no concept of Irish American history shut your mouth

  • @revengeoftupacshakur981
    @revengeoftupacshakur981 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's red...it's offensive it's basically calling Native Americans redskins like the NFL does....u don't think people would be offended if we had team with a pale white male logo and called it the pasteskins? Or black logo and called it the blackies? Put yourself in that position just because the Natives were slaughtered off doesn't mean what's left of them deserve respect

    • @SwaggerNauts365
      @SwaggerNauts365 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Revenge of Tupac Shakur
      You’re not native american, stop speaking for them.

  • @TheSSUltimateGoku
    @TheSSUltimateGoku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Will Cain is spot on with this sick of this BS hope he still works at ESPN.

  • @2to11riseup7
    @2to11riseup7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    First take used to be better with Skip and Stephen A

    • @DarkSaber22
      @DarkSaber22 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Skip is just a troll for ratings

    • @africanrhino8508
      @africanrhino8508 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      WutInTheButt agreed

    • @africanrhino8508
      @africanrhino8508 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ryan Kaawach god damn

    • @BruteStrength99
      @BruteStrength99 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      f ten that is sick and Anti-Semitic. And the Final Solution didn't answer the question! Never forget Sobibor!!

    • @christopherjuarez5133
      @christopherjuarez5133 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree with you

  • @tmac0152
    @tmac0152 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm Irish, I dont complain about Boston Celtics Logo. I freaking love it🔥🍀🍀

  • @maxanitschpro7319
    @maxanitschpro7319 6 ปีที่แล้ว +157

    Man WTF
    LOGOS hurt peoples feelings now
    I'm done

    • @bayarea510
      @bayarea510 6 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Maxanitschpro It does if its RACIST. Dumbass

    • @kirklazarus1426
      @kirklazarus1426 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Jimmy Bonez bro the redskins logo isn't racist dumbass. A Native American tribe leader even said its okay if they use the logo. Do some research before you call someone a dumbass.

    • @houstonrockets6768
      @houstonrockets6768 6 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Maxanitschpro put a black guys face as a logo and see what happens

    • @benmorgan1718
      @benmorgan1718 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      theres a john oliver episode on this, you are wrong

    • @maxanitschpro7319
      @maxanitschpro7319 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      whats exactly is racist about it? You know what i would suggest: Stop crying and leave your safe space

  • @jamescrane2156
    @jamescrane2156 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I heard that after Max gets the Fighting Irish logo banned, he's going after the guy on the Lucky Charms box.

  • @KyleJett
    @KyleJett 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    People like Max make espn almost unwatchable these days.

  • @peenchub151
    @peenchub151 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m Irish and I find the Notre Dame logo no way offensive like most people do. I find it stupid that people like Max Kellerman ASSUME that we are offended. My entire family is from Ireland and moved to Michigan in the 1940s. My great grandfather is one of the biggest fighting Irish fans! None of us find it offensive

  • @tito22212
    @tito22212 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Fighting Irish is offensive? This is a skit.

    • @nnorush85
      @nnorush85 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      tito22212 It’s not the name that’s offensive. It’s the logo.

    • @92CJLove
      @92CJLove 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nnorush85 Leprechauns aren't real though

    • @nnorush85
      @nnorush85 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      C.J. Love I never knew Irish found it offensive till this interview. I thought it was part of Irish culture. Kind of like Chinese and dragons. But if they are offended who am I to tell them they shouldn’t be.

    • @92CJLove
      @92CJLove 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      nnorush85 Dang, that's crazy

    • @whybecause.5723
      @whybecause.5723 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      C.J. Love No, it isn't. You think it's fun being a short guy of Irish heritage. Shockingly, there's like 3 jokes you can make about leprechauns and they get tiring after the 2nd time hearing it.

  • @chopchop9984
    @chopchop9984 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Don't throw FSU into this stupid ass conversation. FSU has a permission from the Seminole tribe. FSU honors the Seminole tribe. Don't bring that politically correct bullshit to Tallahassee, FSU will ALWAYS be the Seminoles and Chief Osceola and Renegade will ALWAYS be the mascots. GO NOLES!!!

    • @SquireThomas
      @SquireThomas 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I don't think most people have a problem with FSU because the logo doesn't look comically stupid. It actually makes the Seminoles look fierce and proud. Chief Wahoo, on the other hand, looks exactly like one of those old school racist cartoons, except it's painted red instead of black. Not really a mystery why they're getting rid of it, I think your Noles should be fine though Rabbit.

    • @elliotmyers625
      @elliotmyers625 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you feel that passionately, as a grown adult, about a fuckin' mascot, then I can't take you seriously. I love my college, and I wouldn't want anyone changing the symbols I grew up with. If I ever go on a rant about it with capitalized words and exclamation points, I hope someone makes me go outside and get some fresh air. Genuine passion should be reserved for less silly things.

  • @jasons1452
    @jasons1452 6 ปีที่แล้ว +120

    I'm native American and Iam glade to see Clevland change there logo.

    • @runrafarunthebestintheworld
      @runrafarunthebestintheworld 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cleveland is probably going to change the team name back to Cleveland Broncos or Spiders

    • @WSolis-xt8ht
      @WSolis-xt8ht 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Now go to cry

    • @AnDr3w066
      @AnDr3w066 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      so you admit you are a snowflake huh

    • @danielrevenko7659
      @danielrevenko7659 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jason S how is that even offensive

    • @284animal
      @284animal 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Andr3w066 If you can't see why it's wrong you're and idiot.

  • @aaaronjacob
    @aaaronjacob 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I'm Native American and I don't find any name referring to my people as 'racist.' Our people, our culture is pretty much dead. Why not celebrate our rich history & heritage? Teams are using our Native names as powerful symbols as representations of their organizations; this shows Natives are strong. I don't find the Redskins offensive.

    • @CallOfApache
      @CallOfApache 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      142 thats what im saying!!! We are almost forgot about

    • @vitreo1363
      @vitreo1363 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Until the Redskins join the Browns with a 0-16 season...

    • @Shinobi33
      @Shinobi33 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      142 well said

  • @murphmane7804
    @murphmane7804 6 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    Will KKKain at it again 😂😂😂

    • @yodogg1247
      @yodogg1247 6 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      Murphy Jones he disagrees so he’s a racist. Typical

    • @shanecaudill4825
      @shanecaudill4825 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      stfu kid go back to class

    • @yodogg1247
      @yodogg1247 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Shane Caudill talking to me?

    • @moefit6257
      @moefit6257 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Murphy Jones 😂😂😂

    • @yodogg1247
      @yodogg1247 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Shane Caudill what’s your disagreement? I know that’s a big word for ya

  • @fionnbharrbrennan9334
    @fionnbharrbrennan9334 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Who gets offended by the fighting irish????

    • @fionnbharrbrennan9334
      @fionnbharrbrennan9334 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jason Mellone I just think EVERYONE should be wrapped up in bubble wrap in case one person doesn't like a certain word used to describe anything, and no one should ever have a different opinion on any topic ever is that so hard?

    • @deicide6403
      @deicide6403 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      nothings gonna happen to the leprechaun because coz its white. if white people gonna react, theyll just call you bunch of snowflakes.

    • @fionnbharrbrennan9334
      @fionnbharrbrennan9334 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      deicide well regardless of your race if you have a problem with something as small as a team name or logo then you are a snowflake/baby

    • @BlackBlack-pg1vi
      @BlackBlack-pg1vi 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The polite Irish duh

    • @Zachito15
      @Zachito15 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      There's more Irish presidents than native American presidents. Plus Irish are proud they have that stereotype. Natives never drank alcohol before Europeans gave us it. It's so far abused that were worse than any European with that drug. Not to mention we were given handouts like nothing but to serve corporate alcohol.

  • @MrNiceGuy80x5
    @MrNiceGuy80x5 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Ughhh I wanted to see what Steven a smith said

    • @LalienX
      @LalienX 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      MrNiceGuy80x5 search "ESPN first take wahoo" on TH-cam and the full 25 minute clip is there

  • @g94433
    @g94433 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I’m a Native American and I love my Redskins proudly. Y’all should be really having Natives have a say in this debate cause we’re the ones who know how they feel.

    • @kenlucas7025
      @kenlucas7025 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      THAT'S THE PROBLEM....Native Americans won't take a stand. They'll let blacks and whites debate it, but they won't say jack! 👎

    • @walterwhite1
      @walterwhite1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why did u let redskins go away?

  • @bluetarantulaproductions6179
    @bluetarantulaproductions6179 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Let's bring back Cheif Wahoo!

  • @chucho35pewdsmiester78
    @chucho35pewdsmiester78 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a white person I find the New England Patriots logo offensive

  • @Michael-jt7sb
    @Michael-jt7sb 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My great grandparents are both Irish Immigrants....that old man never missed a Fighting Irish game. However, at least Max is consistent. Most people I have talked to who are appalled by the Redskins say there is nothing wrong with Fighting Irish. It's a bit refreshing in a weird way, to find someone with some consistency.

  • @Gigi_aye
    @Gigi_aye 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HAHAHA Stephen A texted Max to apologize to Will for interrupting. "apologize bitch, don't be so disrespectful"

  • @malenomadiclion2030
    @malenomadiclion2030 6 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    Stephen a got some nerve saying let him speak. Really. Who do you allow to speak?

    • @TheCuz60
      @TheCuz60 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Muzukashiijinsei Ichibandaijina lol i was just thinking that

    • @stevent6494
      @stevent6494 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hell yea man I was thinking the same too

    • @ZidaneSteiner
      @ZidaneSteiner 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I let other men hold my dick when I take a piss, I let other men have sex with my wife. I'm an SJW

    • @malenomadiclion2030
      @malenomadiclion2030 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Zidane Steiner well if your wife is hot. I’ll accept.

    • @lamasizzy0599
      @lamasizzy0599 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I was thinking the same thing like wtf? When did SAS become the mediator. Did he take over for Molly or something? Who gave SAS the power.

  • @mmed23
    @mmed23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It’s so stupid that people find offense to a name or logo of a PRO TEAM you should be honored to have that.

  • @Jordan-fd8zm
    @Jordan-fd8zm 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Max just says whatever is politically correct on everything controversial. I don’t like Will but he at least has unique takes.

    • @screw_3259
      @screw_3259 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      KingB77 Tx
      The alt ride side.

  • @Surprise623er
    @Surprise623er 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cleveland named Indians in 1915, Washington named Redskins in 1933. Question is why is this a problem now?

    • @rocknrallsoul94rockero4
      @rocknrallsoul94rockero4 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually it kinda was an issue since the 70s but wasn't given much Attention

  • @cappy2282
    @cappy2282 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The "Cleveland Transgenders" would have been great name change 👍

  • @daltonj1498
    @daltonj1498 6 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    I side with Will Cain on this topic.

    • @placeholder4028
      @placeholder4028 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      With a name like Dalton, you basically inform everyone that you're from some kind of inbred lineage.

    • @daltonj1498
      @daltonj1498 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Not sure why you have to insult me because my name is different. It's people like you who I'll be defending once I finish Law School this year, have a good day sir.

    • @anhpham2733
      @anhpham2733 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Get Wrecked by the Lawyer

    • @insidejah9293
      @insidejah9293 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Dalton Johnson - Crying about someone insulting you but you can't empathize with some Native Americans..... seems like you have a huge problem.

    • @BRO77TX
      @BRO77TX 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dalton Johnson Charge them extra!! lol

  • @MEDSAN24
    @MEDSAN24 6 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Max said who care about what fans think, dude fans are the lifeline. Fans control the outcome.

    • @runrafarunthebestintheworld
      @runrafarunthebestintheworld 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Max just left the fans out of it. I think the fans of the team would want to keep it.

    • @Ghostkilla773
      @Ghostkilla773 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      CheezuS most of the fans are not offended. Others are

    • @gabrielmuniz64
      @gabrielmuniz64 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      CheezuS of course the fans are not affected. If tomorrow some arab team changed it's name to 9/11's and made it's mascot two burning towers, you wouldn't take issue with it? It's common sense not over sensibility, and its certainly not up to the fans specially because they would cheer for the team regardless...

    • @cythegrate9989
      @cythegrate9989 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Jerome Marshall because SPOILER ALERT: most of the fans ARE WHITE!!

    • @EbVion
      @EbVion 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      CheezuS dumb comment. True FANS will not stop being fans as a result of changing a name or a logo however you will alienate those who would perhaps be Fans or be patrons of the sport of organization if you aren’t aware of the perception of those outside of and within the sport. I say pander to everyone as best you can

  • @DHARMYOGCOM
    @DHARMYOGCOM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The real story should be how the American Indians were destroyed and how they land was stolen. It’s a dark part of American history that is not discussed to the public. They should know so they learn from history and not repeat similar behaviour that is even happening with many wars etc...

  • @anandguruji83
    @anandguruji83 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    R.I.P CLEVELAND INDIANS WAHOO LOGO

    • @anandguruji83
      @anandguruji83 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      R.I.P CLEVELAND INDIANS WAHOO LOGO

    • @murphmane7804
      @murphmane7804 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good riddance!

  • @CycleCruza
    @CycleCruza 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hate to see the Indians logo go because it's been around so long but let's keep it real, that is some racist shiz if you think about it. Imagine if a team had a logo of a black man with a big afro grinning hard and the team was called the Africans. There would be riots and chaos everywhere if that logo wasn't removed. Native Americans deserve more respect. While they are at it, get rid of the Browns name and those horrible team colors, doo doo brown and rust, maybe they will win a game for once if they do.

  • @jarethcruz2627
    @jarethcruz2627 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Lmao WILL KKKAIN out of nowhere for this topic 😂

    • @murphmane7804
      @murphmane7804 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jareth Cruz 😂😂😂💀

    • @H-nan604
      @H-nan604 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Jareth Cruz stfu

    • @jonn8911
      @jonn8911 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      What kinda weenie name is “Jareth”

    • @kaleb9203
      @kaleb9203 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Frosty Days lmfao 😂😂😂

    • @readysetactioncommentaries
      @readysetactioncommentaries 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So because someone has a take you don’t agree with you think they have ties with the KKK? Willing to bet you’re one of those “AmeriKKKa” people aren’t you? Which would be sad, seeing how America gives you the right to type that, and America gives you that right to even speak that. Try that in Russia, China or other countries without democracy😂

  • @DHARMYOGCOM
    @DHARMYOGCOM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What does it symbolize? Does the logo mok or make fun of how the American Indians were treated. The sad part is most Americans don’t know how there land was stolen from the American Indians.

  • @greengrass4945
    @greengrass4945 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    This is pathetic some people are so damn sensitive, there’s no negative intent behind the names or logos...

    • @rangersfanfromjersey2436
      @rangersfanfromjersey2436 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      THANK YOU

    • @tominator028
      @tominator028 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ask the natives how they feel. I've seen countles interviews where the natives did not care about the logos AT ALL and their was one where he said he like the logos. Liberals are the only ones complaining.

    • @lamasizzy0599
      @lamasizzy0599 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dude are you stupid. It’s like having a team named the n word and saying “It’s okay don’t get offended”

    • @MrTeereal
      @MrTeereal 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Look up intent vs impact...drops mic

    • @GalaxyGal-
      @GalaxyGal- 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      If there was no intent, the name wouldn’t happen.

  • @ballistic9137
    @ballistic9137 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't think anyone is truly offended by these logos because most mature adults wouldn't even care. However, it's hard to look at that logo and not think it's in bad taste.

  • @darkangel220a
    @darkangel220a 6 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    Ugh will cain is just unbearable

    • @H-nan604
      @H-nan604 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Darkangel220a stfu

    • @tito22212
      @tito22212 6 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      SJW Kellerman is not?

    • @vincentjames7210
      @vincentjames7210 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Darkangel220a Why?

    • @brandonmalik3329
      @brandonmalik3329 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He’s right

    • @vincentjames7210
      @vincentjames7210 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      BPayne Beats Why is someone racist if they agree with Cain? What did he say thats racist? Seriously someone answer. Because I'll I hear is, "Will KKKain" and "will Cain is racist" but I have yet to hear someone give a damn good reason why?

  • @joshuabullins2046
    @joshuabullins2046 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Max is pretty much saying if 1 person finds it offensive you must change it if that’s what this world is coming to damn it let it end this year Jesus Christ

  • @africanrhino8508
    @africanrhino8508 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Why does max act like he represents every race on earth

  • @patrick43105
    @patrick43105 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are no Irish Americans offended by Notre Dame

  • @Porrazzo
    @Porrazzo 6 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    Awww is Max gonna cry?

    • @Peopleofthesun386
      @Peopleofthesun386 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Back to the trailer hicky boy

    • @cythegrate9989
      @cythegrate9989 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Says the white guy with a bunch of shitty "rap" music in their favorites.. the irony smh

    • @storminmormn6283
      @storminmormn6283 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Cy The Grate lmao what kind of comeback is that?

    • @cubzrulz
      @cubzrulz 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ryan Kaawach that's pretty racist

    • @budsmokinpandaz
      @budsmokinpandaz 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can we not be anti-semetic please? Thank you

  • @fishbone8703
    @fishbone8703 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm half Navajo and l like that hat

  • @waft3156
    @waft3156 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    People are way too soft nowadays.

    • @jaelie8398
      @jaelie8398 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      And of all generations to get so easily offended, it's the one who grew up on South Park and Family Guy

  • @mainewalker4358
    @mainewalker4358 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's funny how people complain about others being offended by racist nicknames/pictures, but if a team removes a cartoon logo those same people act like the sky is falling. Will Cain sounds like he's about to cry arguing over this

  • @yodogg1247
    @yodogg1247 6 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Will Cain’s probably the only bearable person working at espn.

    • @jordan12118
      @jordan12118 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      J Dogg L

    • @yodogg1247
      @yodogg1247 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jordan Davis too lazy to type out the rest of the word? Can guess what you are in real life...

    • @TheDefenseIsUpNext
      @TheDefenseIsUpNext 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      J Dogg
      Lovable?

    • @samushunter0048
      @samushunter0048 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      J Dogg You're kidding

    • @brandonmalik3329
      @brandonmalik3329 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed

  • @Game_timeJoe
    @Game_timeJoe 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m Irish American how dare max kellerman say that is offense to Irish Americans. Norte Damn was based off of Irish Catholic beliefs it’s a staple point of our culture and is part of our history. If anyone thinks Chief Wahoo FSU or Washington needs to remove their logos and names are ignorant. It is honoring those who truly started our country by helping our European ancestors that took this land from them. That’s the crime white Europeans took their land. The names honor their ancestors and culture

  • @WildwoodClaire1
    @WildwoodClaire1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I suggest that the Cleveland baseball club has not gone far enough. Here's a modest proposal guaranteed to offend no one in these sensitive days: Change the team's colors to green and white, rechristen it the Cleveland Legumes, and bring in a new head-of-broccoli mascot. Vegetarian baseball fans, in particular, will love it!

    • @curtspins7626
      @curtspins7626 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But broccoli is NOT a legume!

    • @DaveyBonesLocker
      @DaveyBonesLocker 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I eat meat so I'm offended by vegetarians

  • @devildog2313
    @devildog2313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a native and don't mind team names like Braves, Warriors or Aztecs but Redskins is a fucked up name and the Indians should change the feather for a turbin

  • @GeneralOrhan
    @GeneralOrhan 6 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Damn Will Cain cold blooded!

  • @vincentjames7210
    @vincentjames7210 6 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Damn Will Cain is the king of debating!

    • @bayarea510
      @bayarea510 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      - David Duke

    • @louier7797
      @louier7797 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You're new here aren't ya

    • @vincentjames7210
      @vincentjames7210 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Louie Ramirez No I listen to his show every day on the radio

    • @Peopleofthesun386
      @Peopleofthesun386 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      john lucas III Nope, not even close

    • @goldwolf0606
      @goldwolf0606 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      john lucas III yes he is, but he lost this debate by Knock Out in the first round.

  • @kirklazarus1426
    @kirklazarus1426 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I guess what's next is that the Boston Celtics should change their logo because it's a white Irish guy.

    • @Cagon415
      @Cagon415 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Over Killa if they were called the Boston Palefaces they'd have to.

    • @kirklazarus1426
      @kirklazarus1426 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cagon415 lol I'm white and I would honestly not care if they were called that. It's just a character it's not like it's a real person. Sooo many sensitive people now a days.

    • @gabrielmuniz64
      @gabrielmuniz64 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      you shouldn´t apply your sensibilities to other people, if you dont care that people for example: make fun of your family or something doesn´t mean other people can´t

  • @francisbaldwin3355
    @francisbaldwin3355 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love max kellerman... but will is 100% right here

  • @hunterhays935
    @hunterhays935 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We are never changing the name! Its not racist! Get over it!

    • @xXFoXyPaNdAXx
      @xXFoXyPaNdAXx 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly. It's just the team's play that is offensive

  • @GALuigi
    @GALuigi 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I usually hate Will Cain but honestly I agree with him here. It's not meant to purposely be offensive, but people get so triggered about the littlest things nowadays.

  • @nathankeelin9542
    @nathankeelin9542 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    If you’re offended by it , it’s because you’re told to be, An can’t think for yourself .

    • @rangersfanfromjersey2436
      @rangersfanfromjersey2436 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Exactly and you wonder why everything is becoming more and more PC everyday

    • @whybecause.5723
      @whybecause.5723 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nathan Keelin or because you have a shred of empathy in your body.

  • @maxlambert1482
    @maxlambert1482 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Will Cain's argument was completely founded on those survey numbers, which as Max pointed out are clearly skewed since the majority of participants did not identify with their Aboriginal tribes. Not sure I agree completely with Max but definitely on the point about marginalized groups being subjugated to such stereotypes and belittlement of their heritage.

  • @SupermanHopkins
    @SupermanHopkins 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Didn't even see that Will Cain was on this clip until after clicking on it. Fortunately for me, TH-cam allows you to fast forward videos.

    • @tominator028
      @tominator028 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yea don't allow opinions from you liberal agenda bubble.

  • @Bs60182
    @Bs60182 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a MBA and I’ve been working in marketing for over 10 years now and I can tell you rebranding any existing company is a major pain in the ass and for a big well known business not only is it a pain but it costs millions.

  • @AQUAPHREESH193
    @AQUAPHREESH193 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I thought the seminoles was one of the more reverent and historical ones though? How is chief wahoos goofy azz the same as the seminoles logo? Ijs

    • @themoonman23
      @themoonman23 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      AQUAPHREESH193 Exactly

  • @readysetactioncommentaries
    @readysetactioncommentaries 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They didn’t even speak about Chief Wahoo at all. ESPN is such a joke😂

  • @nickfoles8679
    @nickfoles8679 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just keep liberals away from college football and I'm fine

  • @luigibrioschi970
    @luigibrioschi970 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    As an Italian, I find deeply offensive Olive Garden, Spaghetti Bolognese, Pinapple Pizza,and all the other amenities that americans perpetrated to my culture... you should also ban those...

  • @danerook
    @danerook 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The Redskins and Notre Dame shouldn't change their logos. They are NOT offensive. Get out of here with that trash

    • @KidCody13
      @KidCody13 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      danerook you’re probably a white boi saying this.

    • @nickfoles8679
      @nickfoles8679 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      cody shlorgens I'm Irish. Being offended by the notre Dame fighting Irish is the most pussy shit I ever heard

    • @nickfoles8679
      @nickfoles8679 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      96 So Irish people's opinions on the Notre Dame fighting Irish don't matter because the Irish are white? I swear to god the TH-cam comment section STILL finds a way to get stupider.

    • @gabrielmuniz64
      @gabrielmuniz64 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      REDSKIN is so racist, it can´t be used in the streets, no one calls an native american a "redskin" unless you´re an racist

    • @jackcorcoran1778
      @jackcorcoran1778 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m irish, and a huge ND fan. Not at all offended. Redskins? That’s a different argument, as it was once used as a racial slur.

  • @oxdhaoxt3694
    @oxdhaoxt3694 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here’s my take away from this. Will Cain is too conservative and Max Kellerman is too liberal. They literally will never agree on anything. Oh and Steven A is just confused calls racism when there’s none and never when it’s there. We need some sane normal human beings that can be objective about social issues if First Take wants to take on said issues

    • @greysonG10
      @greysonG10 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Imo we Will Cain is 100% correct and I'm not even into politics. I find that conservatives are usually more realistic, while liberals basically start problems 24/7.

  • @pasha-tk3tm
    @pasha-tk3tm 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I lose respect for anyone who actually watches ESPN.

  • @gfeast4518
    @gfeast4518 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just got a vintage indians hat at goodwill and totally forgot they got rid of the logo, I think it’s cool and don’t really see it as racist.

  • @jesusrobles4938
    @jesusrobles4938 6 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Max as always make no sense in his discussion and is the softest person on tv probably. If one person is offended by something that makes it ok to get rid of everything in Max Kellermans eyes, as Will Cain said “the Max Kellerman theory”. And when talking about the leprechaun being offensive to Irish people, tell that to Conor Mcgregor lol he represents that symbol when he started walking to the octagon.

    • @runrafarunthebestintheworld
      @runrafarunthebestintheworld 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      LoL

    • @YouCanCallMeReTro
      @YouCanCallMeReTro 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Jesus Robles Look I know when something is overblown, but the Indians logo actually is very offensive and just in bad taste. Imagine if somebody made a team called the Chinamen and had a logo of a yellow grinning face with slit eyes and a rice farmer's hat. Thats basically what the Indians logo is for the Native American people, harping on stereotypes.

    • @YouCanCallMeReTro
      @YouCanCallMeReTro 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      and there's nothing offensive about a leprechaun, leprechauns originated from Irish folklore! You are talking about two completely different things

    • @jesusrobles4938
      @jesusrobles4938 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      YouCanCallMeReTro I can see perspective on the Indian logo, but my problem is people like Max Kellerman who’s logic if some people or even 1 are offended like he showed the example with leprechauns then we should get rid of that to please everybody. That’s ridiculous, but back to the Indian topic if Will Cain and that Washington post article is correct that Native American don’t find the Indian logo offensive then why should we.

    • @bigbossgaming5764
      @bigbossgaming5764 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’m Native American and I do not think the redskins name is offensive. That does not mean they should not get rid of it. I believe anything that has stereotypes like this should be changed. Also don’t believe the 9/10 survey that was probably with a group of wealthy native Americans in the nations capital. They should be asking the people in Oklahoma, N/S Dakota, Nevada etc. The natives living in the reservations. See if they think it should be changed.

  • @otterdccaptain9229
    @otterdccaptain9229 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can people stop saying that the Florida State Seminoles need to change their logo and name. The Seminole Tribe in the State of Florida supports the team. They are also a legit tribe. If you go to a Seminole reservation, you see tribe members wearing Florida State gear. They see it as a badge of honor.

  • @fxgarden3271
    @fxgarden3271 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was attacked by an eagle once. I demand the Eagles be renamed as I am highly offended by that name. I wake up at night in tears and I cant concentrate on my work because an NFL franchise is named after this vicious animal. Max, please stick up for me!!!

    • @whybecause.5723
      @whybecause.5723 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fx Garden apparently the Eagle fucking lobotomized you in the process.

  • @MidNiteR32
    @MidNiteR32 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I agree with everything Max just said, except for the last part about the 'Fighting Irish'.
    You can't compare centuries of oppression of people of color, to white Irish.
    First of all, Irish are white and you can't be racist towards them.
    Second, the Fighting Irish mascot and name was never at all meant to make fun of Irish but to actually make them look cool and badass. Compare that to the Redskins and Indians, it was meant to mock and make fun of them by depicting them in racist stereotypes - also no Irish person was ever offended by it, it was only brought around by racist trolls especially online to defend the use of the Redskins and other racist team logos/names by saying "OH LOOK THE IRISH ARE GETTING MADE FUN OFF TOO!!" when in fact it was never an issue and only a stupid talking point brought up by right wing trolls to detract from the issue. So no one was ever offended by it.
    Third, it was white people who came up with that name and mascot for the Irish, it wasn't Native Americans or people of color. While it was white males who came up with the racist names/logos depicting people of color.
    I wish Max looked into things a little more. The whole 'fighting Irish' crap was just a made up fabrication by online trolls that only got picked up by idiots to distract from the Redskins/Indians controversy. It is not the same nor should it be compared. Irish are not a minority.

    • @sesh1255
      @sesh1255 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You have no clue of Irish history. I’m guessing you are black

  • @jbsmoove2B
    @jbsmoove2B 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Nothing will said was wrong tho. I have many members of my family including me who are part or even all native American and none are offended by the logos or the team names of any of the 3 teams.

  • @isaiahfloyd1606
    @isaiahfloyd1606 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Florida State Seminoles...That the name of a real tribe??? How is that grouped into this.

  • @carlosinda3553
    @carlosinda3553 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I find max kellerman offensive

  • @EmileoNacona
    @EmileoNacona 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm Native American and yes I'm with max. Bullshit 90% native Americans are cool with it. Nah. Years ago 100% natives didnt like it and wanted the mascot to be removed, we weren't a mockery our culture is not funny. And I believe Max on this one. Change for the best.

  • @gallennorris782
    @gallennorris782 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    My words of wisdom to Max, once all native American associations in sports is gone many will scream because it's missing. This is driven more by political correctness vs actual feelings by many.

  • @FartButt3000
    @FartButt3000 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    All Max should have asked was, "Will, would you call a Native American a redskin to their face?"

  • @ttizzle15
    @ttizzle15 6 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Will Cain is right

    • @screw_3259
      @screw_3259 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      tyler7415
      Alt Right

    • @mcmurphp1
      @mcmurphp1 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No he isn't he is a bitch straight up.

  • @BuckRed1
    @BuckRed1 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    i am the notre dame mascot, literally a photocopy of it and i dont find it offensive and also just because a few find it offensive doesnt mean it needs to be taken away

  • @Jpc15
    @Jpc15 6 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Will cain DOMINATED

    • @africanrhino8508
      @africanrhino8508 6 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      James Casali lol nope

    • @BRO77TX
      @BRO77TX 6 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Will Cain DOMINATED Maxipad Kellerman!!

    • @screw_3259
      @screw_3259 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Will Cain Alt Right AF

    • @DizzyDaGodTelevision
      @DizzyDaGodTelevision 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      James Casali got*

  • @xytras6451
    @xytras6451 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Blackbeard wants the Pirates logo/name changed. facts

  • @noahweehunt9022
    @noahweehunt9022 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I have Native American in me and I don’t find it offensive.

    • @rangersfanfromjersey2436
      @rangersfanfromjersey2436 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you for not being offended over this.

    • @cythegrate9989
      @cythegrate9989 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Noah Weehunt what you mean that 00000000.00.09% side of you?... let me take a wild guess as to what the majority percentage is lmao smh

    • @Xxstoner27xX
      @Xxstoner27xX 6 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      White people that say this shit got less than 1% percent lmao

    • @AdrianK-tt5yf
      @AdrianK-tt5yf 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup and fuck you white boy. The whole world is sick of y’all shit. Even white women speaking out now. Get it together.

    • @feetitch8103
      @feetitch8103 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Adrian K you clearly are a fan of “black entitlement” yet a person that doesn’t agree with your side and claims Native American blood, is lying for government benefits? You’re the real low life, insensitive, ignorant, racist here you dingleberry.

  • @kirklazarus1426
    @kirklazarus1426 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Redakins name isn't racist. Even a Native American tribe leader told the redskins owner when they first were a team that it's okay to use the logo.

    • @gabrielmuniz64
      @gabrielmuniz64 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      1 Trible leader = doesnt equal the overall number of people that dont think its ok,.

    • @kirklazarus1426
      @kirklazarus1426 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gabriel Muniz I'm not saying it does. I'm implying that not every Native American thinks it's racist.

  • @Jbaxter135
    @Jbaxter135 6 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    sjw max

    • @screw_3259
      @screw_3259 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Josh
      "Alt Right" Will Cain.

  • @chickenonanapkin
    @chickenonanapkin 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is why ESPN is losing viewers.

  • @samushunter0048
    @samushunter0048 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    To be real the "C" caps look better than the original offensive logo

    • @brandonneumann5294
      @brandonneumann5294 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Movie matics No it doesn't crybaby sjw. The other logo is way more popular.

    • @SL-vw7ix
      @SL-vw7ix 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Crips gonna find offensive

    • @derrickvineyard7032
      @derrickvineyard7032 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Cleveland Cunts does make sense now.😂👍🏻

  • @warrioroforthodoxy1729
    @warrioroforthodoxy1729 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the logo and I’m Native American and it doesn’t bother me