It’s worth mentioning that the guy who won NL comeback player of the year also won MVP the same year. Life as a catcher has to be tough, but coming back from a potentially career ending injury to win MVP as a catcher, call a perfect game, and win the World Series all in the same year is truly incredible. There will never be a better year for a catcher than Buster Posey’s 2012 season.
From a bias standpoint my favorite memory of 2012 was Frank McCourt being forced to sell the dodgers. But besides that it was for sure the emergence of Harper and Trout. 2 of my favorite players to this day still.
People seem to forget that in cases of Irabu and Igawa, the fault was actually on the Yankee's side. Both pitchers were never at the level of even Nomo, much less Darvish or Tanaka. Pitchers lesser known like Iwakuma, Maeda, Kuroda, and Ishii had better track records in Japan. Matsuzaka was actually pretty good for 2 seasons, as you've mentioned. The tragic signing of Irabu and Igawa was caused by the Yankees not doing their homework. No one in Japan seriously thought they would succeed in the Majors. Matsuzaka was an absolute stud for some years in Japan, but he was also well known for two things in Japan. 1) He had been overworked from a very young age (little league) , and 2) he had a bad personality and an even more terrible work ethic. Though his training regimen was non-scientific and he preferred to throw like 200 pitches a day, he hated basic exercise and workouts. He was very bad at controlling his diet which led him to have problems with his knees because of his obesity. His team pampered him so much that they allowed him to send a team employee (a former Olympic medalist) to the police to take place for his responsibility in a traffic violation. It just so happened that he was flirting around with a celebrity and had been parking his car in a no park zone for one too many times that the nearby residents got fed up with it. That was when he was 19 or 20, and that meant he was breaking his dorm curfew on a regular basis. In short, he was a dick. Look at the players who have enjoyed success in the ML like Ichiro and Ohtani. They were students of scientific training, never broke their training routine, never partied, and lived like a Francescan monk. Darvish was an exception because, though in his earlier years he was considered to be a partying dick, he reconstruct his lifestyle to become a diligent student of the sport after his second marriage. So, besides sabermetric stats, teams should make sure to look into the character of Japanese players when scouting them. I believe this is the area in which the Red Sox grossly failed when signing Matsuzaka.
Irabu had some stretches of good pitching--did more for the NYY than Pavano or Kevin Brown ever did. But he was an alcoholic. NYY should have traded Igawa--I know, basically throw him away. He might have figured it out enough to have at least some decent seasons in MLB. Matsuzaka's arm was an overcooked noodle by the time he got to MLB. He was never really very good after the TJ surgery. I think one very good pitcher who hardly anyone remembers was Hasegawa.
@@cejannuzi Wow, Shigetoshi Hasegawa! he was a serious looking funny dude. Didn't have the stuff others had but utilized what he had to make a decent career in the Majors. Thank you for bringing him up! The funny thing about Shige was that he was never a top notch pitcher in Japan who no one thought had any business in the Majors and somehow made it there. My favorite story about Shige is the time he brought Randy Johnson over to Japan in the off season. They were brought into a TV show where they did an experiment to check the Big Unit's command. They used Shige's beloved car (I forgot what it was. It was an expensive one.) as target, opened the windows on both sides, and saw if Randy could throw through the windows from 20 meters at full strength. Randy ended up trashing Shige's car and Shige was laughing and crying in despair at the same time. A funny guy he was. Also, Randy Johnson genuinely seemed so sorry that he could've looked 2 feet shorter than he actually was! I think that was the moment Randy gained a lot of new fans in Japan.
As a giants fan 2012 has always been my favorite championship year. Countless memorable moments, obviously Cain’s perfecto, the Pence trade, Posey MVP season, Sandoval’s 3 HR’s in game 1 of the World Series. Looking back it was a great ride and I’m happy I got to watch it.
I'll always remember 2012 as the year I took my first steps in going to all of the Major League Baseball ballparks (I went to 10 that year, although I wouldn't finish my quest until a decade later) as well as the year I began a quest of meeting the 300-game winners (I met Gaylord Perry, Steve Carlton, Phil Niekro, Don Sutton and Nolan Ryan that year). Unfortunately, as a Rangers fan that season ended on a sour note as they suffered a rather historic collapse.
It’s like he doesn’t know ball, comparing a below average third baseman to a gold glove centre fielder. Of course the center fielder is gonna have higher war.
@@codygurnick6405Trout may have still been better offensively though, according to bbref Miggy had 7.7 oWAR while Trout had 8.7 oWAR (however this does include his historic baserunning in that campaign) he also had a 167 wRC+ to Miggy’s 166
What about the giants coming back from 0-2 on the road against cincy, then 1-3 against the cards and then sweeping the heavily favored tigers to win it all. Verla der, sherzer, miggy vs a band of misfits in the midst of a dynasty.
Other moments that have been overlooked in 2012 (for Giants fans): Pence's bat makes contact with a ball...3 times in one swing against the Cardinals in game 7, Sandoval hits 3HRS in one WS game, Buster Posey comes back from what could've been a career devastating injury to win MVP. 2012 was definitely special.
The ""Gyroball"" is what they call slider now which is not what was traditionally considered a slider . A slider was originally what they're calling sweeper now.
except that the "gyro type slider " was never a real slider it was an improperly thrown slider that drops a little but doesn't really do much. I think its the reason why they've rediscovered what guys were doing since 60's and now they've renamed the slider a sweeper.@@GoodVibesSportsMedia
People also forget, though it surprises me that they do, that the Mariners became the only team in MLB history to be on the winning and losing sides of perfect games in the same season.
His literal debut was in 2011, yes. I never said he literally debuted in 2011… But he debuted in 2012 on April 28th, same day as Harper. 2012 is his true rookie year in my eyes since he won the Rookie of the Year. If you want to call 2011 his true rookie year, your choice. But ya can’t argue that he debuted on April 28th in 2012… Not that it matters but… 😂🤷🏻♂️
I do believe that Trout over Miggy would have been a mistake. I value a Triple Crown winner more simply because it draws eyes to the game in so many years of playing Trout never could generate the hype like his teammate otani or his fellow players like Harper or Judge. What's the point of the MVP and face of a generation in MLB if can't help the league in the right kinda way
@@mukitulislam3533 So the MVP should go to who pimps the most homeruns, and charges the pitcher the most times? If Miggy didn’t rob him twice, and Donaldson didn’t rob him in 2015 he’d be on a very short list of 6X MVP’s. His legacy was negatively affected by charity MVP’s.
@@joshASM No Sherlock. MVP should go the most deserving player and Trout has a mid level MVP in 2014. But a generational talent like Trout should be more Micky Mantle and less aww susks. Trout is a first ballot hall of famer but he is boring as all hell. Finally for the record every great player has MVP snubs. Judge 17, A Rod 96, Bonds 3-4 times in the 90's. Award voting ain't always fair.
@@mukitulislam3533 A Rod was arguably the second or third most deserving in 96, Judge will never be an all time great, and Bonds had MVP’s on the back end of his career because of his PED abuse. None of the situations you mentioned are comparable to Trout’s, his standing in all time rankings, and in the history books was greatly tarnished by gift MVP’s. There’s no argument based on, on field performance for any of the aforementioned MVP’s to go to anyone besides Trout. You say you support at least one of them going to a less deserving player, then say you support the most deserving player winning MVP, then you call me Sherlock for following your logic. I don’t quite understand but regardless Trout is an all time great, that will be underrated for years to come
It’s worth mentioning that the guy who won NL comeback player of the year also won MVP the same year. Life as a catcher has to be tough, but coming back from a potentially career ending injury to win MVP as a catcher, call a perfect game, and win the World Series all in the same year is truly incredible. There will never be a better year for a catcher than Buster Posey’s 2012 season.
I always remember 2012 as Anthony Rizzo’s great rookie season with the Cubs.
It's incredible how overrated jeter is considering hes an all time great
That was the year the Dodgers acquired Beckett Gonzalez and Crawford and it might have helped break the waiver wire deadline
From a bias standpoint my favorite memory of 2012 was Frank McCourt being forced to sell the dodgers.
But besides that it was for sure the emergence of Harper and Trout. 2 of my favorite players to this day still.
And I think the 2012 season began with the amazing final week of the 2011 season, followed by the amazing 2011 post season.
People seem to forget that in cases of Irabu and Igawa, the fault was actually on the Yankee's side. Both pitchers were never at the level of even Nomo, much less Darvish or Tanaka. Pitchers lesser known like Iwakuma, Maeda, Kuroda, and Ishii had better track records in Japan. Matsuzaka was actually pretty good for 2 seasons, as you've mentioned. The tragic signing of Irabu and Igawa was caused by the Yankees not doing their homework. No one in Japan seriously thought they would succeed in the Majors.
Matsuzaka was an absolute stud for some years in Japan, but he was also well known for two things in Japan. 1) He had been overworked from a very young age (little league) , and 2) he had a bad personality and an even more terrible work ethic. Though his training regimen was non-scientific and he preferred to throw like 200 pitches a day, he hated basic exercise and workouts. He was very bad at controlling his diet which led him to have problems with his knees because of his obesity. His team pampered him so much that they allowed him to send a team employee (a former Olympic medalist) to the police to take place for his responsibility in a traffic violation. It just so happened that he was flirting around with a celebrity and had been parking his car in a no park zone for one too many times that the nearby residents got fed up with it. That was when he was 19 or 20, and that meant he was breaking his dorm curfew on a regular basis. In short, he was a dick.
Look at the players who have enjoyed success in the ML like Ichiro and Ohtani. They were students of scientific training, never broke their training routine, never partied, and lived like a Francescan monk. Darvish was an exception because, though in his earlier years he was considered to be a partying dick, he reconstruct his lifestyle to become a diligent student of the sport after his second marriage. So, besides sabermetric stats, teams should make sure to look into the character of Japanese players when scouting them. I believe this is the area in which the Red Sox grossly failed when signing Matsuzaka.
Irabu had some stretches of good pitching--did more for the NYY than Pavano or Kevin Brown ever did. But he was an alcoholic.
NYY should have traded Igawa--I know, basically throw him away. He might have figured it out enough to have at least some decent seasons in MLB.
Matsuzaka's arm was an overcooked noodle by the time he got to MLB. He was never really very good after the TJ surgery.
I think one very good pitcher who hardly anyone remembers was Hasegawa.
@@cejannuzi Wow, Shigetoshi Hasegawa! he was a serious looking funny dude. Didn't have the stuff others had but utilized what he had to make a decent career in the Majors. Thank you for bringing him up! The funny thing about Shige was that he was never a top notch pitcher in Japan who no one thought had any business in the Majors and somehow made it there.
My favorite story about Shige is the time he brought Randy Johnson over to Japan in the off season. They were brought into a TV show where they did an experiment to check the Big Unit's command. They used Shige's beloved car (I forgot what it was. It was an expensive one.) as target, opened the windows on both sides, and saw if Randy could throw through the windows from 20 meters at full strength. Randy ended up trashing Shige's car and Shige was laughing and crying in despair at the same time. A funny guy he was.
Also, Randy Johnson genuinely seemed so sorry that he could've looked 2 feet shorter than he actually was! I think that was the moment Randy gained a lot of new fans in Japan.
As a giants fan 2012 has always been my favorite championship year. Countless memorable moments, obviously Cain’s perfecto, the Pence trade, Posey MVP season, Sandoval’s 3 HR’s in game 1 of the World Series. Looking back it was a great ride and I’m happy I got to watch it.
2012 Chipper’s last season. Will always remember it.
as a giants fan 2012 will always be remember extremely fondly lol
Great video…. These are the baseball videos I look for on youtube
I'll always remember 2012 as the year I took my first steps in going to all of the Major League Baseball ballparks (I went to 10 that year, although I wouldn't finish my quest until a decade later) as well as the year I began a quest of meeting the 300-game winners (I met Gaylord Perry, Steve Carlton, Phil Niekro, Don Sutton and Nolan Ryan that year). Unfortunately, as a Rangers fan that season ended on a sour note as they suffered a rather historic collapse.
Got that Hey Arnold voice down perfectly
2012 was an epic year all around.
Minus the marlins, right?
Here is why Miggy won MVP over Trout. Trout had possibly the greatest all around season of all time. Miggy put up 7.1 WAR with his bat alone.
It’s like he doesn’t know ball, comparing a below average third baseman to a gold glove centre fielder. Of course the center fielder is gonna have higher war.
@lordfarquaad5990 exactly. Trout had a great season but Miggy put up 7.1 WAR 100% with the bat. Which is wild
@@codygurnick6405Trout may have still been better offensively though, according to bbref Miggy had 7.7 oWAR while Trout had 8.7 oWAR (however this does include his historic baserunning in that campaign) he also had a 167 wRC+ to Miggy’s 166
@@drakewwe1225helps to miggy won the triple crown that season as well
So miggy's season is more impressive because he... can't play elite CF defense?
What about the giants coming back from 0-2 on the road against cincy, then 1-3 against the cards and then sweeping the heavily favored tigers to win it all. Verla der, sherzer, miggy vs a band of misfits in the midst of a dynasty.
Other moments that have been overlooked in 2012 (for Giants fans): Pence's bat makes contact with a ball...3 times in one swing against the Cardinals in game 7, Sandoval hits 3HRS in one WS game, Buster Posey comes back from what could've been a career devastating injury to win MVP. 2012 was definitely special.
Dude would love to do a video with you. Cross promotion?
Ah man, you are too kind! Subbed to the channel, love the Angels content! When I take the leap and collab, you’ll be my go to! 🙌
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The ""Gyroball"" is what they call slider now which is not what was traditionally considered a slider . A slider was originally what they're calling sweeper now.
I do love that we are starting to decipher between a sharp gyro type slider and a sweeping type pitch.
except that the "gyro type slider " was never a real slider it was an improperly thrown slider that drops a little but doesn't really do much. I think its the reason why they've rediscovered what guys were doing since 60's and now they've renamed the slider a sweeper.@@GoodVibesSportsMedia
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2012 was my favorite baseball season ever.
People also forget, though it surprises me that they do, that the Mariners became the only team in MLB history to be on the winning and losing sides of perfect games in the same season.
Great times for a Giants fan, I’ll never forget Sandoval absolutely embarrassing Verlander in the series. #3in5 the dodgers could never😂
There were a lot of good pitchers back then they weren't all trying to throw 100 mph they actually knew how to pitch.
It ruins a fun game
I agree
Mike Trout debuted in 2011, not on April 28, 2012 during his “true rookie year” not that it matters but..
His literal debut was in 2011, yes. I never said he literally debuted in 2011… But he debuted in 2012 on April 28th, same day as Harper. 2012 is his true rookie year in my eyes since he won the Rookie of the Year. If you want to call 2011 his true rookie year, your choice. But ya can’t argue that he debuted on April 28th in 2012… Not that it matters but… 😂🤷🏻♂️
@@GoodVibesSportsMedia ahhhh I understand now. Sorry I misunderstood what you were saying! My fault, great video
Nah, all good my friend! Cheers! 🍻
2012 was the same year i went to my first MLB game
Which game??
@@GoodVibesSportsMedia it was just random texas rangers game against the athletics
I do believe that Trout over Miggy would have been a mistake. I value a Triple Crown winner more simply because it draws eyes to the game in so many years of playing Trout never could generate the hype like his teammate otani or his fellow players like Harper or Judge. What's the point of the MVP and face of a generation in MLB if can't help the league in the right kinda way
Trout had a better season and it wasn’t that close
@@joshASM Trout had a great season but Trout is just boring as vanilla ice cream. He is a modern legend but not helpful in growing the game.
@@mukitulislam3533 So the MVP should go to who pimps the most homeruns, and charges the pitcher the most times? If Miggy didn’t rob him twice, and Donaldson didn’t rob him in 2015 he’d be on a very short list of 6X MVP’s. His legacy was negatively affected by charity MVP’s.
@@joshASM No Sherlock. MVP should go the most deserving player and Trout has a mid level MVP in 2014. But a generational talent like Trout should be more Micky Mantle and less aww susks. Trout is a first ballot hall of famer but he is boring as all hell. Finally for the record every great player has MVP snubs. Judge 17, A Rod 96, Bonds 3-4 times in the 90's. Award voting ain't always fair.
@@mukitulislam3533 A Rod was arguably the second or third most deserving in 96, Judge will never be an all time great, and Bonds had MVP’s on the back end of his career because of his PED abuse. None of the situations you mentioned are comparable to Trout’s, his standing in all time rankings, and in the history books was greatly tarnished by gift MVP’s. There’s no argument based on, on field performance for any of the aforementioned MVP’s to go to anyone besides Trout. You say you support at least one of them going to a less deserving player, then say you support the most deserving player winning MVP, then you call me Sherlock for following your logic. I don’t quite understand but regardless Trout is an all time great, that will be underrated for years to come
I subbed loved the content
Not even mentioning the Cinderella season the A’s had this year lowkey invalidates this whole video
entire seasons cant be iconic. theres nothing iconic about entire seasons. people use iconic wrong. nothing new is iconic. nothing recent is iconic.