'India-China Joint Statement a Positive Development but Doubts Remain on China's Future Actions'
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- In an interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire Nirupama Rao made a point of drawing attention to some of the language in the Chinese readout of the Foreign Ministers’ meeting. She said the phrase “China’s stern position” and another phrase “the imperative is to immediately stop provocations such as firing” are clearly a sign that China’s attitude and outlook is conditioned by an attempt to define who is in the right or wrong. She said these are discordant words and clearly suggest that when China subsequently talks of moving back personnel and equipment that have trespassed as well as quickly disengaging troops and de-escalating the situation, it has India in mind rather than itself.
However, Mrs. Rao accepted that it was “certainly noteworthy that the Chinese readout has not apportioned blame” specifically or outspokenly. This is strikingly different to what the Chinese Defence Minister said last week.
First Amit sah unnecessarily opening mouth, Aksai chin Hamara hai , then Mr modi declaring chinese has not captured our land , totally surrendering to china. He thinks whole India is his father land. Unnecessarily stopped annual Army exercise in Ladakh ,declaring lock down and neither corona stopped nor chinese .Thanks to our BRVAVE soldeirs ,who were able to capture max of our land. Jai Hind.
I think Mrs Rao was very forthright and critical in her first interview with Mr. Thapar. In the subsequent interviews no. 2 & 3, she has mellowed down and all her experience and diplomatic acumen was evident in her responses.
Let’s be absolutely honest, the joint statement is actually a surrender document.
Visant will take time look at her answer she constantly diverting conversation.
at end it will sink,
How?
I couldn't stop laughing at times to Mrs. Rao's arguments. She says, even if the LAC moves westwards a bit, don't declare defeat. Could you ma'am enlighten us when will be correct to say we have lost our territory? One of the most spineless creature, I have ever seen.
Further to my earlier comments, I may add that Chinese has demonstrated their usually strategic mind set by referring to LAC as Border areas in the joint declaration by effectively invoking the 1959 border line between the two countries as defined by then Chinese PM in his letter to PM Nehru . Since there is no mention of withdrawal of Chinese troops to May 2020 positions in the joint declaration, India has virtually legitimized the capturre of their 1000 sq KM area by Chinese. No wonder intellectual looking Indian FM , over exicited Defence minister & military leadership are shy to face the press. Perhaps no Indian would have ever imagined that 70 years after the independence they would be ruled by such a bunch of coward & naive leaders led by " brave" Modi
you have a dirty islamic mindset keep it to yourself.
In a democratic set everyone has the right to hold own opinion. It would thus be better that views are addressed in a civilized manner with logical arguments rather than giving it a touch of religious mindset
@@basharatmalik6840 yes you are right. but it has to be with certain responsibility not being a loose canon. certain religion hate others in disguise and justifies under democracy.there are good and bad thinking. when religion became a guiding force good and bad varies according to convenience, because religion can be such irritating element.it has been exposed all over the world. rationale thinking get substituted with a hidden agenda.
@@kumanet99 Since you consider that thoughts by a particular name could have a religious mind set and hidden agenda, the last video on the subject by the well-known defence analyst, Pravin may be referred. Fortunately his name does not suggest the perceived hidden agenda, so commonly used by fellow Indians when they have no logical argument to offer on a particular view point.
Mrs Nirupama Rao and Mr Karan Thapar for this wonderful discussion & elucidating on this complex issue 👍👍👍
Is this truce at cost of letting go hundreds of square kilometres of land which chinese occupied in April May 2020.. have we given away our land without a fight ?
YES SANDEEP! HOW IS THIS POSITIVE?
......on CHINA episode outcome :
"FEKU" = NEHRU 2.0....!!!
Mam, we love the choice of your words. "Matchmaking". I am following you from the days when your response to Pakistan "WE ARE NOT IMPRESSED !!!". It made lot of damage to Musharraf
This is where students can learn English and improve vocabulary.
The heart/cause of most ills in our society.Sad to see that focus is not on what is being said rather how it's being said.Surely we deserve where/how we are.
@@senguptasayn What else to expect when an incompetent leadership is elected by vast majority of morons!
Mr Karan thanks for your show. This is a most authentic show so far. Your choice of participants are authentic and excellent. You don't give Fake news. Thanks.
@Vasu Sm Karan Thapar show isn't for everyone. This show is for educated and intellectual class. Not for general mass.The participants in this show are highly sophisticated people. It's my view. You might have different views. We should all respect others opinion. This is called democracy. Thanks.
Nice journalism's by the wire
I can certainly say KARAN THAPAR is the best interviewer in India . He is full of knowledge ,understands the subject he is asking Qs about. The interviews are very informative.i try not to miss any of his interview. he is simply the best.
Very timely interview with well conversant and able authority former Secretary Foreign Affairs and Ambassador to China focussing and threadbare analysing the bipartisan discussion between two countries passing through periods of daggers drawn.
It's a human angle to talk about how comfortable or how our troops in Siachen are going to face the harsh winter.
Question is at what cast will India man the lac through the winter,
@@akram123uk that's also a fact.. Yes
Sir, you an enlightened and gifted intellectual. Your contribution to the society is emmence and encouraging. May God bless you.
So long as the LAC is not defined, how can one say that China has intruded or India had intruded? It is clear to all literate persons in India and certainly to so called journalists like Karan that the India - China LAC is not clearly demarcated since 1962 so the first and foremost thing is to have a clearly demarcated LAC. There is no point in discussing the current situation unless one discusses the reasons leading to this situation. People like Nirupama Rao and many others who were at the helm of the affairs must be asked as to why the LAC remained unclear for so long.
This interview by Karan has no meaning at all and no purpose at all except display of few good English phrases. This is what Karan always tries to do rather than raising fundamental issues and have an informed discussions.
We are not banana but papeeta republic
A very good discussion .
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Great talk Karan.
CHINA WILL ALWAYS BE A QUESTION MARK FOR ALL.
WE WILL HAVE TO FIND THE RIGHT FROM THE WRONG AND FACE UP CHINA.
Full marks to Karan, for keeping the lady on point. Nirupuma Rao, rightly, was prevented from waffling, as diplomats tend to do. Full power. Jai-Bajrang-Bali. Jai-Hind.
Excellent choice of subject. Good interview, to explain the ground reality on the diplomatic front. Karan Thapar, as ALWAYS, deserves kudos, for doing his homework. Jai-Hind.
We seem to be back to Medieval times ...thanks to Modi
sir u r doing a gr8 job plz do carri on
BJP will lose an enormous margin in West Bengal.Their secretary of the state unit called Bengali a shit language
All efforts should be made by both sides to resolve the dispute between two neighboring countries peacefully. War is not a solution
Joint statement reference "Guidance from consensus of their leaders, existing agreements, protocols on Ind-China relations and boundary affairs" what prompted incursion by China at this time? Joint Statement silent on going back to Pre Apr 20 situations ?
One point to note. No mention of LAC. Language refers to “border area”. Inferring there is no LAC.
Good observation. Madam Rao. Then India is within her rights to start conducting reconnaissance flights over aksai chin and Tibet
Other than omitting reference to LAC and replacing it with " the borders" that has to be analysed & decided by Indian analysts the rest of the agreement is very loose particularly as there is no timeline or next steps to make it look like a firm agreement. Also, there is no suggestion that China will do anything with respect to restoring the status quo. On top of this it is being said that China has rejected India making Ladakh a union territory. It is also suggested by Indian media that India has sad that it would like to progress its relationship with China on economic matters. What is badly needed is for Indian policy makers to speak to all these points. At this time it looks like this Moscow meeting has been a "win for China" as it has succeeded in telling India that it is the "big boss" in the region and it has to accept this reality
Karan I am a fan of your talk show. Could you please have someone elaborate on why there was no mention of LAC. Does it mean India have surrendered their view point. If so not a good sign for other countries in the region. Lets be bold enough to except the facts. What happened to 56" kee Chhaattee.
As the saying goes, ‘You get what you deserve’. The people of India have chosen the Hindutva ideology and moved away from Secularism. Majoritarianism is not possible when you have 25% of a population of 1.2 billion which is minority. This means there will constant internal turmoil for decades ahead as the BJP has enough money ( by forcing demonetisation ), to out spend any opposition for at least 2 to 3 more general elections. So get ready for more ideological rhetorics, low growth rates and loads of jumlabazi.
A good analysis of the situation, particularly the pertinent questions by karan and brave effort by the former FS to generously explain positives of the joint declaration by the both countries. However I am surprised that Karan did not raise the highly important reference of LAC to Border Areas in the declaration, indirectly conceeding the 1000 sq KM area captured by Chinese since May 2020 as reported by many Indian newspapers but not denied by the Indian government & Army. Consequently Indian people are justified to ask their 56 inches chest PM and phony Defence Minister as to the reason of surrendering this huge territory to China without even firing a single bullet except some shots fired in the air which too Modi government was scared to own. This is an insult to 1.2 Billion Indian people and the darkest period in the history of modern India. Hope Karan takes out some time to address my views.
Don't know much about the Chinese Foreign Minister & Defence Minister but few qualities distinguish our Foreign Minister and Defense Minister. Education, International Experience & Exposure, Interest in Jingoism vs Real Work, Diplomat vs Politician
The joint statement statement has created a little positive environment and has brought down the tension a little bit. But the onus to resolve the issue lies with China as it has changed the status quo by occupying territories that India claims its own.
There is no LAC now, only Border Areas according to the statement...
India has backed off from LAC, what a diplomatic defeat
This meeting was not for ladakh lac has not been discussed,
Good one , but all our leading Media is v busy with the death of an actor,& Kangana s , then , we have face the music , the overall Administration is v poor
Bhanu Mehta is not heard for long times.is he still there?
He wrote an article in the Indian Express that he would not find Ram in the new temple at the Ram Janambhoomi. So I asked him in the comments section if he found Allah at the mosques at Kashi and Mathura. Have not heard from him since then.
Feel of watching documentary on current intensely confronting position at Laddakh in Indo-China border!
Why EAM converted LAC into border area, is it gain or lose
Economy pr interview kro thapar bhau
*A duty of a true person* as assigned by our creator to do good and communicate (while practicing & inviting) his teaching to others in a very decent way through using all the communication elements which exist in our society.
*Our key to all time success* : Think Heaven/Swarg for all and Hell/Narak for none here and hereafter the life. There should be no hidden agenda.
Our final aim to control CPEC. We are now marching towards it.
Highlight this in your BoW interview.
China side felt they lost territory by this agreement, apparently India felt the same way, so this must be a good agreement since neither side is happy; hence no one really gained anything
What KT has missed on this discourse is the role played by Russians,one part is Russia being host couldn't have been refused
Credit should be given to the Russian.
@GLOBALIZED WORLD The Russian have big stakes in both countries, and a war between them will not just be a lose lose situation for India and China, but for Russia as well. What else would you rather the Russian do?
reason to quit television and move to digital medium...thank you
Its scary situation at the border. Indian arm forces are strong enough to protect national integrity and India will not allow third country mediation in resolving Indian Chinese border disputes. Its against Indian policies.
BJP will lose an enormous margin in West Bengal.Their secretary of the state unit called Bengali a shit language
i wish Karan Thapar you could be the prime MINISTER OF INDIA we need people like you to save the planet work on improving the welfare of poor and not building arms and respect human rights and respect each other not some one like extremist ruling and not be puppet of isa just remember what they did to pakistan in afghan war.dont trust isa.
On the twitter frontlines the peace hasn't prevailed yet.
Madam , two things has emerged from this 5-point declaration for sure :-
a. India had dropped its demand of restoration to Status Quo Ante.
b. The sanctity of LAC does not exist anymore . It is replaced by a much wider and larger panorama of "border area"
Now why Chinese will go back unilaterally .
I like your narrative of Ladakh as Trojan Horse .
Madam Rao you are a real innocent and thoroughly gentlelady . But how long will you remain in a denial mood.
The LAC has moved westward. Period . Accept the truth and people who voted BJP for a powerful India, should get immediate M-E-N-T-A-L health check up / therapy. I blame the BJP and equally the Congress for India's setback in every sector of the economy. My thumps up to The Indira govt, Vajpayee govt and Narasimha rao govt for giving India the much needed impetus. Jai Arunachala , Jai Hind
Why it's in Moscow,why not in USA.
Next
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Words in any form including diplomatic language are no supplement to reality. The truth is China is occupying Indian territory along LAC now we don't see even mention of LAC.
If Indians thought that pandering to Chinese interests would help keep wolf off the door they are belied by turn of events arising from 70 years of consistently practising that philosophy. Our foreign policy is not built on practical realities so are our economic and strategic policies. It goes without saying world knows you not by what you espouse but by what you practice, which is where our erratic economic deliverables, the driving force of a country's potential, increase the gulf between the two countries.
India should occupy POK to stop CPEC
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Karan what is your apprehension? U expect war should be avoided so your supreme in China will buy sometime. India has upper hand and dearest Neharu is sweating in sky above.
Madam is upto mark and china has helped PAK on not loosing POK . However it is invitable.
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Porra pakistan aur india me jo gadar rehte he jo pakistan ko china ko apna iman vechte he
Karan Thapar will always see any given topic against the Modi Govt including the Chinese wording of "stern" and "imperative" in the communication even when a former Indian Ambassador to China gives her opinion as a Chinese warning to India.
I feel China is not intrested in territorial gains any more. It has got already what it wants from that side. However, since they know that in India there are high sentiments and hypernationalism. India's actions will be more driven by sentiments than rationality. So China wants to punish by inflicting huge loss financially by opening multiple fronts. Stationing troops on heights costing us Per day around 250-300cr. Engaging us this way for around more few months will cause a huge dent to already struggling economy and finally india will come down to chinese terms for disengagement.
India is increasing costs for Pakistan how will it get trapped in the same trap by China. India has maintained its Army at Siachen and knows how to handle such costs.
Smart assessment. 250-300 Crore per day is the cost only around Siachin. It would be 10 time higher to face China's thousand of miles face off. Imagine over a quarter economy shrank already due to Covid. Modi hay tou mumkin hay, I mean India kee tabahi.
X diplomate was not forthcoming because she has political aspiration doesnt want to antaganise the bosses to snug up to
Evev Brahma cannot make a fool wise-says Tulsi Das.
Like a bat Thaper loves to fly in the dark.No arguing a fool and cynic like him.He will return to dark.
Thapar bhau kal phr interview lo kisi ka
Forget about status quo. For last 70 years no government in India could solve the boundary problem with China. Now Mr. Modi will solve this problem for ever by declaring an India China border.
Shame on Indian leadership for surrendering so soon. Why India is so much upset
Thapar is lost, if you agree with his lines he will be more energetic. Nirupama said, indeed bi-lateral statement is a big +ve sign. And Karan face is red.
This woman irritates me. She is a defeatist, advocates haplessness whether she knows it or not. India was ruled by foreigners for 800+ years because the governing class were from this stock. You need to take Chinese territory plain and simple.
She is an establishment person. No point in trying to draw out her. She will never say we are in a situation which has sour and bitter taste.
India badly lost, in five points no word mentioned as LAC instead word border area used and is now become part of the letter as proof, now China can take any part as border area not defined of whom, Wow!!! so amazing defeat of India.
V bad to hear , & This Man Sebusooran Jr.( Modi) is not capable of handling the boarder issues tatcatlly , EGO , is is not the tatcis , v bad administration overall
Abb jhoola jhulaw policy start karo😂😂😂
Forgot to blame Modi? How come?
Nirupama Rao is not convincing
wrt status quo ante
Ms Rao came out with flying colors despite Karan’s sly efforts to trap her into saying something he could use to pursue his own agenda.
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2024=Modi 3.0
I finally get what a "diplomatic" answer is.😂 Not addressing the real question and trying to circle your way around it.
Evident from the interview itself.
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china gives india baba je ka tolo
Madrassachap India is the only country 1.Killed 350 Chinese n defeated them at Nathu La. 2.Pushed PLA back at Doklam eben though it is Bhutanese Territory. 3.Killed43 PLS soldiers in Galwan 4.Taken away all military advantage in Eastern Ladakh from PLA and fenced them. 5. Taken Rechin La from where India China border of1947 is 4Km only.
@@VijaySingh-oh6gl beg india beg , now why your fm agreed there to vanish LAC ( border areas) .they can claim for whole india.
@@baberkhan5932 Madrassachap Imran Khan and his beloved Pakistan has perfected the art of begging. Because India left no other choice for them. A few days back Chinese defence minister begged from Russia to convene a meeting with Rajnath singh in moscow. So be careful or u will also have to beg in case u r pakistani
@@baberkhan5932 India is not afraid to talk so talks will continue alongwith claims for status quo ante as of 20th April, Chinese will soon find out Indian claims have not been abandoned.
Kailash manas sarovar is our makka and vatikan. One day we will be there after getting rid of pseudoseculism and leuteuns.
If anyone wish to learn the art and science of journalistic interview, study Karan Thapar. India has none of his high standard. I am University topper in journalism.
Do an episode on the despicable role of ur father general Thapar's role during 62 war.
Karan (sir) brought today bjp spokesperson,,,
She is not. Modi retired her before actual retirement.
In this chess game China has always been many many moves ahead of India. China has gotten all of its objectives, and have forces India to surrender. All the moves India has made have been knee jerk reactions of a weak leadership, and incapable armed forces.