Chapo Trap House- The Inebriated Past: Mormons (Full Parts 1&2)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- 557 - The Inebriated Past 10: Mormons, pt. 1 (9/9/21): / 557-inebriated-1-55981949
Matt guides us through the history of the Mormons, the most American religion.
599 - The Inebriated Past 11 - Mormons, pt. 2: Polygamy Without the ‘Polyg’ (2/3/22): / 599-inebriated-2-62086101
Continuing from episode 557 - Mormons, pt. 1, Matt guides us through the history of the Mormons after the death of Joseph Smith. We continue to track how the development of Mormonism reflects and refracts the development of American capitalism.
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A great primer to listen to before going into honest harts next time I play Fallout New Vegas
Goddamm my brother you are making me tear up
someone should mod cushvlogs into the new vegas radio
It's also a good insight into the themes in RD Moore Battlestar Galactica and Caprica
@@ince55ant Oh god an in game radio station with a Follower of the apocalypse NPC analyzing the politics in New Vegas in the style of Cush vlogs would rule.
Oh my god I’m playing that rn
Having been raised Mormon, it’s always fun for me to relive the church history from someone who actually knows their shit. But what struck a major chord with me is Matt’s point that since the reformation, the idea is “humans are instinctually good and by showing them they can be good, they can be gods as you” is something I have held onto for a very long time. Call it programming, but even since leaving the church, I have lived a life of believing the best in everyone, despite the legitimacy that people are always selfish in a capitalist culture.
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"...despite the legitimacy that people are always selfish in a capitalist culture.."
Wtf is that supposed to even mean? Despite the legitimacy? Always selfish? What?!
Swap "legitimacy" for "reality".
Sentence probably got warped by auto correct.
People actually aren't instinctual good, in fact goodness is antithetical to human instincts as demonstrated by the amount of work we have to do to not be complete pieces of shit. People are born mean, selfish, and instinctual.
@@label_me We're born with empathy too. It's just that it's very rare in a human's early development that empathy is invoked before selfishness. To say we're JUST born pieces of shit is not a very well thought out position.
Damn the early years of the Mormon church was a movie 💯
I now see Mormonism with new and rather more positive light than i had previously held .great work matt!
OMG
stop!!
It was only when I left the church that I realized how toxic other christians were. There are definitely toxic mormons, but when I was in I never thought that I never thought anyone is going to hell. My family now is still very supportive of me and doesn't believe I'm going to hell.
The birth of the Christian uruk hai, we love to see it, don't we folks?!? Meats back on the menu, boys!!
When I say I SCREAMED
my fucking sides lmao
Think of it!
White meat only
The scream I scrumpt 💀
I’m a New England Puritan transplanted to SLC for work and I’m feeling seen right now, as the kids say lol thanks for the upload 😊
I’m a New York transplant who converted to Catholicism because Red Scare said to. I think the pope is kind of soy though, so I’m considering Mormonism as the true American religion
Absolutely brilliant, bringing all of this together. Much appreciated
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There was a fantastic thesis in there about calvinism and the anxiety about being as visibly 'Christian' as possible to ensure going to heaven (and the whole secular disenchantment with the world where religion was taken out as a community thing and made into a personal relationship with god), that makes a very compelling story about how the separation of church and state meant something very sinister in relation to capital. I have probably not made much sense but you get the drift. Does anyone have a good reading that goes over this point and the history?
Not sure about that specifically but Caliban and the Witch touches on some of those points briefly
@@trevorhazen7393 ahhh thanks, one of my fav books
Matt has been dropping new tracks about the 30 Years’ War. He discusses the broad causes and effects of that conflict, going into greater detail on the development of Protestantism (including Calvinism and its characteristics in particular). The tensions of reformation fed the conflict, developing into one of the most destructive wars in European history. The war concluded with the peace of Westphalia, redefining the relationship between the rulers and the ruled, laying the foundation for our modern concept of the nation state, paving the way for the development of Capitalism.
Highly recommend
Its like making a religion based on a DnD campaign.
I moved to Utah recently to help my mom and the mormons have been really nice for the most part. They DEFINETELY have a community here. I told one neighbor 4 houses down why I came and the next day my mom's across the street neighbor showed up with flowers wishing my mom well. One thing about Utah though is they have the WORST drivers. I want you to imagine the most selfish drivers, and they are probably 1.2 times more selfish. For example I turned left the other day, I had a green light, so the opposite direction driving straight is red. The guy ran a red light. You will see stuff like that all the time. I am in awe of how selfish they are here.
They have a very inshallah attitude about road safety.
specifically, fanaticism was concentrated in what is called "The Burned Over District." an area so thoroughly preached to, converted, or so sick of being coaxed to join a church they lost all interest in religion entirely. see also "Urim and Thummim" -- when you put rocks in your hat and stick your head in it for an hour hoping to [divine] the location of buried treasure, that doesn't mean you should start a religion. it means you are crazy.
I did it all for the CushVlogs!
Hey man... Thanks for the praxis
he's way too soft on the mormons, i like this but still
It's the way to understanding how such a thing can happen.
At the end of the day, Christman is a papist who’s true allegiance is to the anti-Christ in Rome
this thumbnail cured my depression
Anyone who love this will love “Under The Banner Of Heaven” it’s a book on Mormonism and the darkness of fundamentalist Mormon cults
BYU started letting black people in when they got tired of losing football games and other sporting events. Or at least that's what I assume since that's what almost every other big college did.
The IRS was going to yank the LDS tax exempt/deductible status. The Carter administration was pissed about church money flowing illegally to anti-ERA legislative campaigns in Florida (failed FL senate by one vote). Prohibiting blacks in the priesthood was the other issue. Prophet Spencer W. Kimball revealed that blacks were no longer cursed by God as Canaanites in 1977, so the church kept its tax breaks.
Go get 'em Matt.
Thanks for posting this, definitely clarified some things I have personally noticed over time.
I tend to really like Matt's work but a theologian he is not. Visceral fear of God predates capitalism's emergence by a significant number of centuries.
He's a smart guy but his analysis of history is extremely soy
@@rozzaziobrown6515 Soy?
He's fun but factually wrong about many things, and says some really... weird things for someone trying to operate within a broadly historical materialist framework. But above all else he broke his chair on a livestream, that's like Moses comically tumbling down the mountain just as he begins his pronouncement
@@janosmarothy5409 Yeah, I always take his rants as more comedic then informative. Some of the connections he makes are very thin but they serve the bit well
@@TrueHimbo you guys are still too caught up in internet lingo and ironic shit. it's not a "bit", matt is genuinely trying to do something heartfelt. who cares if a few things are factually wrong it's like pointing out grammar mistakes and doesn't help anything
Is all of this going to be on the test?
Wow I kinda feel smarter after listening to this
I live in Utawww and i’m surrounded by saints it’s sick
Finding plates in the forest sounds like such a friggin' scam, and then there's the polygami which is also kinda nuts, but other than that I never expected to find myself cheering them on after hearing this summary of their history.
18:01 whoa, that’s crazy - construction of good ol’ clint’s wet ass ditch lasted from 1917 to 1821?? dude, , that’s like so fast, _negative_ ninety-six years D:
EDIT - dude jk im jus jokeing so , lay off, ok? i kno he meant to of said: “1821 to 1917” i was jus playin
Oh yes this is some interesting shit right here boys
This should be $8,000
Hell yes thank you brother & King of Nauvoo 🙏🙏
It's back pog
Yeah I had my entire channel deleted because I got three random copyright strikes from obviously fake accounts, but it takes at least 10 business days to appeal a strike manually
Is the soil of New England rocky ya think?
It's what inspired the ice cream flavor
Bro thank u for this gift
For some reason i hear "Bohemian Rhapsody" playing towards the end of this. Fuck if i know why probably a flashback or a stroke
At the end of part 2 “All These Things I’ve done” by The Killers begins playing, I cut it off before it gets going in truth so this wouldn’t get copyright flagged
My hero
Good Mormon history
For the Millerites...Why would you sell all your possessions before going to Heaven? Lol
Bet they didn't mind importing rifles and pistols
Water doser works. That's how I found my well for my house. Try it! The water was right where he said it was.
Giving financial support to witchcraft 👎
2:13 well that's BS - the Protestant position is that human religious practice will no longer be dominated by the authority of the Pope, and that personal worship is no longer solely through the authority of the priest.
What they claim they believe and what their "faith" actually manifests as aren't the same, as a former baptist this is right on the money
Goddamn son
I truly love the acid-laced riffing , almost not boring, almost not condescending, almost actually considering Historic facts, almost not creating the same straw man arguments which the author condescends to eschew in others.
What’s up bro?
u mad?
@@fortnitecustomssubs You have a coherent dispute with my comment? Little bleep?
@@jameschekal9432 Are you from the hood ?
It interesting that you’re criticizing other people for not providing arguments when you don’t do it yourself. You seem to dislike Matt’s analysis and say he’s wrong but don’t provide an actual explanation or counterargument against it.
The closest you get is the “strawman” point. Matt has a Masters degree in specializing in historical materialism. His pop history work is specifically 101 version of that lense. Go into any graduate level course on Earth and you’ll be taught and expected to use exactly this analysis (among others). Historical materialism specifically says that all personal characteristics, morality, and virtue in history are irrelevant. The main drivers of history is economic conditions, and every single politician and important figure in human history is just an avatar representing that economy. Random chance and circumstances still play a role, but only secondary to the economy. Personal values and ideology are irrelevant. When it comes to religion, you treat them all anthropologically. The same way you’d treat the ancient Sumerian and Egyptians Gods. They’re all just myths and their main interest is just about how they came from and evolved with the economic system. Ex. The first Sumerian cities forming around the richest citizens who claimed to be able to speak to the Gods and lead are priest-kings.
The ‘materialism is too reductionist and undervalues the role of individual leaders and virtue’ argument is just as old as materialism itself. I assume that’s what you mean by “strawman” and “condescending”. Whig and religious people especially get triggered by it. But like I said, historical materialism is incredibly fundamentally to modern academia. Originally it was just one of many lenses (ex feminist, racial, liberal). But now it’s so ingrained in academics it forms half of “modernism”. Acting indignant and confused about it is like going to a philosophy class and being confused about utalitarianism. Again, everything Matt says here is just a basic bitch 101 analysis you’d get if you read any grad level materialist. Getting offended by it and calling it “against historical facts” means you’d also dislike all modern academia.
The rest is just criticism of the podcast production itself, not the analysis. And yeah, that’s the point of Inebriated Past. For proper podcasts he gets help to make it more entertaining, but Inebriated Past is the low effort rough content that he can make fast and quick for those interested enough in Matt summarizing grad level materialism even if it’s done in a boring and lazy way. On their Patreon they make that clear, but you probably just stumbled onto TH-cam so I don’t blame you for not knowing.
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I see the Author on acid testing this on his Boomer Adversary Hunter Thompson, as Mark Twain cringes.
my brother in christ, did you ever recover from this stroke?
@@CzolgoszWorkinMan only through my kind friends
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Quran) and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures) and the Christians and the Sabians->ANYAllah< Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
Quran 22:40
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, " Our Lord is God " And were it not that God checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of God is much mentioned. And God will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, God is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
Note: Why did Allah protected Churches and Synagogues if they worship false Allah ?
( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? )
Quran 5 48
''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a single nation.( ie single religion ) But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you (ie Scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you '' >DISPUTE verb < not noun like other religions
Islam mean "submission" to God
( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the >MUSLIM< and the Non-Muslims but total "submission" to God )
Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim "submit" to the God?
Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
Note: If you obeyed all the ABOVE Allah-God's moral laws "YOU" submitted to God.( ie Islam mean "submission" to God )
The only people who will enter Paradise those who '' Submitted to God '' ( ie by good deeds )
God does NOT accept your religion of birth but only ''Your Total'' Submission to Him.
( God Allows Interfaith Marriages And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
Quran 5:5
''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers (ie Muslim ) and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture (ie Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless and he in the Hereafter will be among the losers.''
Note: > Only < Islam allows interfaith marriages (>14 hundredsSame God< but They are >ALL Corrupt< more or less, some more than others from their original foundational teaching. The older religion are MORE corrupted than newer religion.
Question to Muslim and Christian:
Does God / Allah only answer your pray ?
And God / Allah does not answer non Muslim / non Christian pray?
Did Allah '' Canceled '' all other religions Judaism and Christianity?
Quran 5:48
'' And We have revealed to you [O Muhammad] the Book in truth, confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture ( ie New and old Testament ) and as a criterion over it. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth. >>>TO EACH OF YOU WE PRESCRIBED A LAW AND A METHODone nation>differ qualified < for to enter Paradise )
On the day of judgement God will ''NOT'' judge humanity bases on Sunni Muslim sect VS Shia Muslim sect ''NOR'' by Muslim VS non-Muslim >but< Doer of Goods VS Doer of Evils.
'' YOUR " birth in the Muslim's family is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
'' YOUR " religion / sect / foot long beard is NOT a > qualification < for to enter the Paradise.
The > qualification < to enter Paradise is > Faith in God and Good Work
TL:DR?
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damn dog that's a long ass comment. wish my fingers were strong enough to type like that, maybe susan wouldn't have divorced me.
I'm starting to understand the whole "let's persecute religious beliefs" thing.
Whoa hold on there bucko, you expect me to read all that shit, written by you?