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The rise of the pilos helmet takes place in an era of sustained long military campaigns. This drained the Spartan resources and asked for cheaper equipment. Besides, the old time hoplite would only fight once or twice in his life, bearing a corinthian for greater safety in a single clash. The late hoplite suffered the consequences of consecutive wars and varieties of tactics including frequent skirmishes, hence the need of lighter gear to wear more often. Thus; encumbrance? Breathing? Not so much of a problem for a trained soldier. Lack of funds? Change of warfare? More likely.
Hi, was going to reply, but emails and stuff just got in the way. First i've owned multiple helmets, both closed faced and open face. In my experience when sparing closed faced helms are just awful when fighting outside. You CANNOT breathe properly, the sun beams bounce in all different ways which blind you from certain angles, the sheer amount of moisture that builds up on them is gross, getting hit square in the middle of the helms face is the most singular discomforting disorientating thing i've ever felt and it leaves an insane ringing and vibration of the helm afterwards, even with padding. Add to that the amount of stamina and energy you use up in 3 mins of fighting outside you are exhausted, and any moment you get you immediately pull the helm back so you can get a moment of cool air and just escape the smell of all the sweat being absorbed by the padding inside of the helmet (you see hoplites doing this quite a lot in images). You compare this to inside sparing and you can go for days wearing a closed face helm, especially when that inside building has fans and air conditioning. I was professional fencing/sparing for nearly six years, would regularly fight up against the world number 5 in epee as we had the same coach/club and thats when my fitness levels were at its height and i would regularly fight outside for demonstrations, it was one of the most exhausting things i've ever done, not even climbing up literal mountains was as exhausting as that. Having owned both a corinthian helmet and an Attic Helmet, i will take the Attic helmet any day for fighting outside as prolonged outside combat in the Corinthian/closed faced designs is just yuck. Secondly, the Spartans didn't really have a problem with cost of making things, as well they didn't have currency. There was actually quite a scandal when a high ranking spartan was found carrying coins in i believe the corinthian war's time? can't remember the exact date but i know it was after the Peloponnese. Also, the spartan military never really peaked above a set number of men, meaning that any equipment they would have had could have easily have been recycled by family members (as was custom in quite a lot of Greece), so resources of armour/bronze wasn't really a problem. This is especially true as as at this time Sparta was basically already the default hegemonic state of Greece, and we have treaties from later times from Greek defensive leagues which explain the diverting of resources and men for military reasons. It stands to reason that the spartans would have employed a similar resource management system within their controlled area. The pilos is also just a better helmet for hoplite warfare, once tucked behind the hoplon, the only bit of your head thats exposed is the top scalp, the rest of the face is protected by the shield. Excessive face protection is simply not needed, maybe the odd cheek guard here and there could be useful, but again the chances of a spear or sword getting past a well drilled and solid Hoplon shield wall is pretty low. People love to give the Corinthian so much love, but truth is its an awful helmet, hence why it was very quickly ditched after the Persian/Peloponnese wars. The thing is is the Corinthian's design is very iconic and has a very recognisable silhouette, hence why its everywhere, when truth be told around the time greek warfare was getting lighter due to the more mobile nature of warfare, it was getting replaced by both the Pilos helm in Greece and also the Attic helm in Italy. As to men only really seeing active service maybe one or two times thats just not true in even todays milita forces. I think people also underestimate just how brutal Greece was. Yes it was as the ancient Greeks would like to say "the most civilized." But this is also a people that glorified war, hated their neighbours, had to make it a religious duty to not go to war during a sporting event and were constantly, and i mean constantly at war with each other. Pretty much all of the famous philosophers, Socrates being a prime example, and Plato being an extreme example, both served in the military of their cities professionally and were advocates for using violence to achieve their philosophical goals (Plato with the whole affair in Syracuse who gave his followers his own blessing to instal a brutal military dictatorship in the city.) Yes you've got the clear divide between the professional/citizen warriors, but military installations still had to be maintained, still had to be manned, they were militas, who much like today with countries like Switzerland had to be regularly ready to go into combat even to man positions which were far far away from the front lines. The idea that these men only saw active combat maybe twice in their lives is just not true, this was a barbaric violent time frame where it was kill or be killed and you had to be prepared to go to war at a moments notice. Raids were still a thing, Greek Italy had a real problem with this, and in response they ditched all of their heavy armour in order to respond faster. These men could be expected to go into combat on a moments notice and often did. Theres also multiple accounts of men serving in multiple large scale battles and wars throughout their lives. Look at the period from Phillip II all the way to the fall of the Seleucid Empire, there is practically not a single year where the Greeks are not fighting someone, if not themselves. Armed conflicts were constant. I believe in marathon it was not uncommon to see three generations of men all fighting together in the Hoplite Phalanx. Things get even more extreme the further east you get into the Indian territories but thats really a subject for another time. Point is, this was an extremely bloody time, and people had to constantly fight in order to protect themselves and their cities. The rise of the Pilos/Attic Helms can be attributed directly to the many flaws of the Corinthian Helmet, together with the increased mobility in warfare and the fact that such a helmet wasn't really needed. As for period of long military conflicts, Greece was always in a state of prolonged military conflicts war in Greece never ended it was a fact of live. Thanks for commenting!
yeah but this is the 5th century. they're not trained soldiers. only a rare few are actual trained soldiers. I'm not a trained soldier, I'm just a militiaman/conscript. Yes we have rucks and we do ruck marches. But you don't expect the fucker to carry his entire ruck AND fight afterwards. He's already running on fumes 18 kilometres in. He ain't gonna last long in a fight if you force him to
I'm absolutely flabbergasted at the low number of subscribers you have. You deserve millions, I love this. Haven't seen anything out of the hundreds of history vids I've seen, exceptional job!
It's obvious that the Korinthian helmet isn't the most practical design, and a metal cuirass might slow one down....but a hoplite clad in bronze helmet, cuirass, and greaves looks absolutely badass!
The romans are a bit north of Magnia Grecia but if you're to believe the myths they're descendant of the Trojans. But since the Greek colonies like Tarantem in the South were the first conquests it makes sense they adapted the idea!
the time in which we inhabit this world is so limited, and so unforgiving that It would be my honor to offer you a fresh start, and an opportunity to save your soul. the man who saved my life Is ruler over both land and sea. King over sky and Worm, and great beyond anything mankind has ever accomplished. today is a new day, let it be a new start for you with the Almighty Jesus Christ. God awaits you✝️
This channel deserves more views, more subscribers, and everything ! 👏
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the time in which we inhabit this world is so limited, and so unforgiving that It would be my honor to offer you a fresh start, and an opportunity to save your soul. the man who saved my life Is ruler over both land and sea. King over sky and Worm, and great beyond anything mankind has ever accomplished. today is a new day, let it be a new start for you with the Almighty Jesus Christ. God awaits you✝️
The rise of the pilos helmet takes place in an era of sustained long military campaigns. This drained the Spartan resources and asked for cheaper equipment. Besides, the old time hoplite would only fight once or twice in his life, bearing a corinthian for greater safety in a single clash. The late hoplite suffered the consequences of consecutive wars and varieties of tactics including frequent skirmishes, hence the need of lighter gear to wear more often. Thus; encumbrance? Breathing? Not so much of a problem for a trained soldier. Lack of funds? Change of warfare? More likely.
That's a good point. I'm afraid that I'm not terribly impressed by the analysis in this video.
Hi, was going to reply, but emails and stuff just got in the way. First i've owned multiple helmets, both closed faced and open face. In my experience when sparing closed faced helms are just awful when fighting outside. You CANNOT breathe properly, the sun beams bounce in all different ways which blind you from certain angles, the sheer amount of moisture that builds up on them is gross, getting hit square in the middle of the helms face is the most singular discomforting disorientating thing i've ever felt and it leaves an insane ringing and vibration of the helm afterwards, even with padding.
Add to that the amount of stamina and energy you use up in 3 mins of fighting outside you are exhausted, and any moment you get you immediately pull the helm back so you can get a moment of cool air and just escape the smell of all the sweat being absorbed by the padding inside of the helmet (you see hoplites doing this quite a lot in images). You compare this to inside sparing and you can go for days wearing a closed face helm, especially when that inside building has fans and air conditioning.
I was professional fencing/sparing for nearly six years, would regularly fight up against the world number 5 in epee as we had the same coach/club and thats when my fitness levels were at its height and i would regularly fight outside for demonstrations, it was one of the most exhausting things i've ever done, not even climbing up literal mountains was as exhausting as that.
Having owned both a corinthian helmet and an Attic Helmet, i will take the Attic helmet any day for fighting outside as prolonged outside combat in the Corinthian/closed faced designs is just yuck.
Secondly, the Spartans didn't really have a problem with cost of making things, as well they didn't have currency. There was actually quite a scandal when a high ranking spartan was found carrying coins in i believe the corinthian war's time? can't remember the exact date but i know it was after the Peloponnese.
Also, the spartan military never really peaked above a set number of men, meaning that any equipment they would have had could have easily have been recycled by family members (as was custom in quite a lot of Greece), so resources of armour/bronze wasn't really a problem.
This is especially true as as at this time Sparta was basically already the default hegemonic state of Greece, and we have treaties from later times from Greek defensive leagues which explain the diverting of resources and men for military reasons. It stands to reason that the spartans would have employed a similar resource management system within their controlled area.
The pilos is also just a better helmet for hoplite warfare, once tucked behind the hoplon, the only bit of your head thats exposed is the top scalp, the rest of the face is protected by the shield. Excessive face protection is simply not needed, maybe the odd cheek guard here and there could be useful, but again the chances of a spear or sword getting past a well drilled and solid Hoplon shield wall is pretty low.
People love to give the Corinthian so much love, but truth is its an awful helmet, hence why it was very quickly ditched after the Persian/Peloponnese wars. The thing is is the Corinthian's design is very iconic and has a very recognisable silhouette, hence why its everywhere, when truth be told around the time greek warfare was getting lighter due to the more mobile nature of warfare, it was getting replaced by both the Pilos helm in Greece and also the Attic helm in Italy.
As to men only really seeing active service maybe one or two times thats just not true in even todays milita forces. I think people also underestimate just how brutal Greece was. Yes it was as the ancient Greeks would like to say "the most civilized." But this is also a people that glorified war, hated their neighbours, had to make it a religious duty to not go to war during a sporting event and were constantly, and i mean constantly at war with each other. Pretty much all of the famous philosophers, Socrates being a prime example, and Plato being an extreme example, both served in the military of their cities professionally and were advocates for using violence to achieve their philosophical goals (Plato with the whole affair in Syracuse who gave his followers his own blessing to instal a brutal military dictatorship in the city.)
Yes you've got the clear divide between the professional/citizen warriors, but military installations still had to be maintained, still had to be manned, they were militas, who much like today with countries like Switzerland had to be regularly ready to go into combat even to man positions which were far far away from the front lines. The idea that these men only saw active combat maybe twice in their lives is just not true, this was a barbaric violent time frame where it was kill or be killed and you had to be prepared to go to war at a moments notice. Raids were still a thing, Greek Italy had a real problem with this, and in response they ditched all of their heavy armour in order to respond faster. These men could be expected to go into combat on a moments notice and often did.
Theres also multiple accounts of men serving in multiple large scale battles and wars throughout their lives. Look at the period from Phillip II all the way to the fall of the Seleucid Empire, there is practically not a single year where the Greeks are not fighting someone, if not themselves. Armed conflicts were constant. I believe in marathon it was not uncommon to see three generations of men all fighting together in the Hoplite Phalanx. Things get even more extreme the further east you get into the Indian territories but thats really a subject for another time. Point is, this was an extremely bloody time, and people had to constantly fight in order to protect themselves and their cities.
The rise of the Pilos/Attic Helms can be attributed directly to the many flaws of the Corinthian Helmet, together with the increased mobility in warfare and the fact that such a helmet wasn't really needed. As for period of long military conflicts, Greece was always in a state of prolonged military conflicts war in Greece never ended it was a fact of live.
Thanks for commenting!
yeah but this is the 5th century. they're not trained soldiers. only a rare few are actual trained soldiers.
I'm not a trained soldier, I'm just a militiaman/conscript. Yes we have rucks and we do ruck marches. But you don't expect the fucker to carry his entire ruck AND fight afterwards. He's already running on fumes 18 kilometres in. He ain't gonna last long in a fight if you force him to
The shield is ASPIS! Hoplon is word for whole bundle of war gear.
I'm absolutely flabbergasted at the low number of subscribers you have. You deserve millions, I love this. Haven't seen anything out of the hundreds of history vids I've seen, exceptional job!
It's obvious that the Korinthian helmet isn't the most practical design, and a metal cuirass might slow one down....but a hoplite clad in bronze helmet, cuirass, and greaves looks absolutely badass!
Best mid tiers Hoplites in Rome 2
You should do a video about the ikakalaka. It's my favorite sword, and even after black Panther movie, it's still not very well known.
very informative. thanks
you are welcome! thanks for commenting!
definitely one of your longer videos
you sound familiar. are you Italian? have a medieval channel?
Nice!!
Thanks!
20 min video, nice !
Took a while to edit!
First. 23 Minutes after release. Great Video.
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@@AncientHistoryGuy no thank you for the great videos. Hope you have a great day.
Aren't the Romans come from a spartan colony or a spartan army joined roman. would make sense for later /famous roman throwing spears.
The romans are a bit north of Magnia Grecia but if you're to believe the myths they're descendant of the Trojans. But since the Greek colonies like Tarantem in the South were the first conquests it makes sense they adapted the idea!
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the time in which we inhabit this world is so limited, and so unforgiving that It would be my honor to offer you a fresh start, and an opportunity to save your soul. the man who saved my life Is ruler over both land and sea. King over sky and Worm, and great beyond anything mankind has ever accomplished. today is a new day, let it be a new start for you with the Almighty Jesus Christ. God awaits you✝️
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