MTG Top 10: Simic | Magic: the Gathering | Episode 342
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That's absolutely insane that Uro is the #2 best Simic card ever printed in the 28 year history of the game, after just 12 months.
gaining life, drawing cards, and playing lands is op. who knew? apparently not wotc.
Uro is just so damn broken. Ramp decks have 3 main weaknesses: losing tempo, running out of card and not drawing ramp pay offs.
Uro literally fixed all these problem. Sure you’re still losing tempo playing Uro, but at least he gains you life, and a top decked Uro late game is +6 healing, which is significant vs burn/aggro. He draws you card so you don’t run out of stuff to play after you ramped. Then Uro himself is a ramp pay off when you recast him.
What's funnier though is the #1 which would have gone COMPLETELY unnoticed as a card if Uro had never been printed. Uro singlehandedly upheld the conditions necessary for people to even play cards such as Growth Spiral in formats outside of standard. Sure, it is instant speed Explore, but how many decks even run Explore right now other than Titan? And it only had more points because it saw play in Simic Flash just before Uro and Oko were even printed. Good grief 😂
@@09Dragonite Growth spiral was heavily played before Uro came around, and was banned in it's own right. It's a very good card too-instant speed matters.
@@09Dragonite Except that Growth Spiral was being played before Throne of Eldraine. The Simic dominance started when Hydroid Krasis was printed and added to the black-green mid-range decks to make Wet Golgari. They eventually just dropped the black and made full on Simic when things like Nissa, Who Breaks the Game was printed.
If Uro had lasted another month before his mass ban, he'd almost certainly be number 1.
5 years ago: "Top ten Simic cards....there aren't any." Now: "Top ten Simic cards...holy shit the POWER"
I liked the flavor of creatures with flash with nice ETBs from.the older simic cards
@@mufasafalldown8401 Me too! But then WotC made Simic all about moving +1+1 counters around and it was like even worse than Saprolings
They had to make the Timmy’s feel included
I kinda wish they hadn't banned Oko, just because it would've been hilarious to see it rocket to the #1 card in MTG history by these metrics.
Most banned AND most played card
Recent standard cards already dominate top 10s showing how broken recently magic is.
It would have been hilarious to literally nobody that actually plays this game though, many of them would just quit.
Well, to be fair, part of that is that recent Standard cards get a lot fucking more in terms of tournaments. There were only like two Standard tournaments while Mirrodin was in the environment.
To be fair, some of the long term cards like duress and llanowar elves do pose some serious competition for that title.
Idea for a top 10 worst list:
Top 10 banned cards with the lowest scores
They'd all be ante
i think this would be difficult to judge in the sense where if a card is too powerful it’ll get banned really quickly and won’t have time to get points, meaning the list would probably just consist of op cards that got banned the fastest which i don’t think is the idea you mean. i could be misinterpreting though, i’d like to hear your thoughts (although this comment is a year old lol)
I made a fated comment about how Simic should get more representation, last time you made this list.
I guess the monkey's paw curled up that day, huh?
Guess you got what you asked for
Please wish for mono-white representation. XD
Can’t wait for the year 2023 when we’re all complaining about how overpowered mono-white is.
@@Cyberium It will all be stax, lmao
@@Graatand i mean its already one of the top decks in arena right now
Everything changed when the simic attacked
Sick reference
A common card at #1 - I'd love an MTG Top 10: Common cards but that's probably a ton of research as there are a ton of commons.
If I had to wager a guess I'd say it would probably be bolt just due to its age and the sheer number of formats it's in.
I'd like to see a list of original Common cards (a list that has no downshifted-to-common entries, it had to originally be printed at common, so no Counterspell or Foil). I agree that Lightning Bolt would probably be really high up there.
Duress is common my dudes
So is Opt and Llanawar, right?
It is ironic that the most successful Simic card can be bought for a quarter.
Basic Lands
When Growth Spiral was spoiled, I was blown away/impressed by the art more than anything. My initial thoughts on playabillity: it was just a harder to cast Explore, so not as good. But then I realized it was at instant speed, and it had blue in it's cost, so it would probably see some good play. Even then, I really underestimated how strong this card was, even though I liked it as a pet card in a lot of my budget decks.
Sure, it's not as strong as Uro or Oko (whos bannings allowed GS to surpass them), but it still amassed more points than Hydroid Krasis (a mythic), which was released in the same set, and was never banned in Standard, unlike Growth Spiral.
I'm just glad this powerful common got fabulous Seb Mckinnon art to go with it! :)
I know Planeswalkers with static abilities is a divisive topic, but I quite like them when they're done like Tamiyo giving you a form of protection, way more fair and balanced than the absolutely game warping statics of Teferi and Narset.
As someone who first got into Magic during Ixalan, I always find it weird when people talk about a time when Simic wasn’t busted
I mean, Blue manipulates cards, and Green gets you lands to play those cards
Those are, like, the most fundamental parts of magic
So it seems natural that it would be the most powerful
that's true for blue and green respectively, but simic cards for like 10 years were just "um idk, put a counter on something lol"
Blue Green decks had been strong at times, but multicolor blue green cards mostly sucked.
I played from some years before the arena, and green usually was seen like white is now and was point at as the weakest/one of the weakest colors. Besides, aside from some very lock archetypes, the things blue did didn't line up well with the stuff green was into. That's also the reason why i don't like the youtubers pointing as green/simic as the problem with mtg when the whole color pie is in jeopaedy and broken cards are coming out in other color combinations
UG madness is the cool simic deck I remember
Yeah, and neither color used to do anything at all to actually interact with your opponent - a lost art in these days, but once one of the pillars of the game. Because of this, most UG decks are three color decks - BUG or RUG or WUG - because if you're playing two colors and one is green, if Fetches or good fixing are around you can play 3.
I have been playing magic for 13 years and have always told my friends new to magic that Simic used to be bad but they never believed me. This video explains it very well.
I joined in right when Ravnica Allegiance was first released. I didn't pay attention to the standard meta until War of the Spark came out and it was honestly kind of jarring to see how my buddy's Simic Guild Kit was kind of memey vs the absolute powerhouse that is Hydroid Krasis
I miss when Green was considered awful, and Simic too. But hey, maybe it's better than mono-red + mono-red aggro of older times. You know what wouldn't be awful though? "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)!"
So a long-time already powerful color + a less powerful color being boosted = broken Guild cards + the less powerful color becoming broken itself, when people complain enough the color pie is lopsided? Be careful what you wish for, people who sulk about white and Boros...
I am curious why the Vintage video is never going to get made despite nearly every other video having a top comment asking for it.
As long as the trend start to rotate and other archetypes get the love simic received somewhat turned down (because i can't handle more elks in my life), im not really sad it happened, simic was rarely played, so for me it was refreshing to see, i'm happy it got to be meta for once
I think it was best when green was ‘strong but not broken’ (khans era,) but yeah i feel you there. Green is objectively being lushed way harder than what is reasonable. When we have cards getting banned in modern and legacy back to back sets due to the exact same design mistakes it should make us all worry for the longevity of the game. Even in urzas block they fixed their mistakes but now its been 2 years of the same damned mistake over and over and it doesnt look like wizards is gonna stop lol.
@@mr.joesterr5359 agreed on that, in the last 8 or so sets standard felt like modern at times, people who enjoy lower power games has nowhere to go really, and it comes down to the new phylosophy in design (FIRE) and i suspect some executives at hasbro are putting their spoons on the soup thinking they are chefs, and pushing for more staples and boost more sales, the same can be said for making 100 products a year which must be impossible to make them all desirable and balance at the same time. I also really miss the old block/semiblock system, in this one shot planes they really have to cram a ton of things together and everything feels empty, there's no constellation decks in standard because there are too few cards for that, there's like 8 or 10 tribes in kaldheim but none got good support, there's barely any mutate to write home about, the game just keeps losing more and more charm and confidence
A small but possibly significant difference in certain circumstances between mystic snake and frilled mystic; sneaky snake says you must counter target spell, frilled mystic says you MAY. Ive seen it backfire in commander before
And coming in at #1, the .25c common that made ALL of this possible 😂😂😂 I laughed so hard, I knew the exact moment that you said Uro was #2 what card was in first. I love that it is what truly represents this list, and I'm so glad that one of my all time favorite cards swept the rug right from beneath three of the most toxic and oppressive spells I have EVER seen 😂
6 of the top 10 being 2019/2020. Makes sense.
It’s so weird to see a rogue with a green color. Additionally: simic does a good job with releasing big burly beasts
I'm just waiting for a list that fits the criteria of bonecrusher giant since I wonder how much points he has
Since Kaldheim has so many Giants a Giant list should be on the horizon.
A quick count shows only 50 points, since so many GPs have been cancelled during its time in Standard, and its first few months in Standard were dominated by Simic nonsense.
@@SirZapdos wow I would've thought much more, because he sees play in basically every deck with red in it. But all the cancelled GP's might add up, yes
Top 10: Bant, naya, mardu, sultai, dual land cycle (maybe excluding dual, fetch and shock lands...), Colored/dual mana rock cycles, charms, commands
Uro is going to drop like a rock now that it's banned in basically everything
Oko too, its better than Uro, but its not gonna put up many points just from vintage.
Legal in commander which he is awesome in.
It still has like 10x more points than the #10 cars on this list, sooo it's probably here to stay on this lost for a long time haha
@@mr.joesterr5359 Actually Uro isn't played much in Commander.
@@Bartleby1892 He's still excellent in that format, he's just comparably far more fair in EDH. And now that he's cheaper, he'll see a lot more play, I'm sure.
This was a great list and appreciate the run down of all the cards that got knocked off by the more recent cards
1995-2019: Simic really hasn’t gotten enough support
Wizards: “Hold my beer”
Congrats to Seb McKinnon for grabbing that top spot!
I am always surprised that coiling Oracle does not make these lists. it would be interesting to see how the list turned out if showings and popper also a thing. I honestly don't think coiling Oracle would make it even then but I have always thought of it as a good card. Tribal support and either ramp or card draw is a pretty good combo
Favorite card, it's the perfect U/G card.
That and Yavimaya's Embrace lol.
Growth spiral genuinely surprises me lol i didn't know explore could be so good 😂
I appreciate how you also include the previous top 10.
predictions before watching: #2 = oko, #1 = uro; growth spiral, hydroid krasis, and frilled mystic are somewhere on the list
Edit: Heckn' called all the cards except got the positions wrong
Around 6:00 you call frilled mystic mystic snake haha
Not surprised this list had some major shake up.
Huh, that's very interesting. I would have surely thought Uro would be on top. I guess just goes to show that innocuous looking cards like Growth Spiral can be the backbone that drives certain color combinations to prominence in a format.
Really enjoyed the video, my man. Keep up the amazing work that you do.
I am not afraid to admit that a completely forgot about growth spiral existing till he said uro was number 2 lol
I wonder if Koma will ever be on this list
It's definitely another Simic card that shouldn't have been printed. The idea is fine, but they just stuffed to many useful abilities on to the card. Like it could have just made serpents on your turn, or it could have just tapped opposing cards, or it could have just sacc'd a serpant to be indestructible. Toning it down just a little would have at least made it fair. But it's a swiss army knife in a single card. It's just too much.
Uro would have still been good if it's escape cost was 6 mana and 6 cards. As printed, it's ridiculous. Escape is basically flashback. It should cost _more_ than you'd expect to pay for the spell if you hard cast it, because it's an inherent 2-1. This is fundamental design principle of MtG.
Really wish you would put all your top and bottom 10 color pairings on a playlist
Blue green madness was a thing that I hated back in the day. I wonder what you could do with it now.
Ah the Odyssey block, days of the dinosaurs like madness and mono black control
Alternate title: Wotc's top 10 biggest mistakes over the last 2 years
I wonder what would Uro's score be if there were more live events in it's time unbanned.
As soon as i saw uro and oko i knew it had to be growth spiral at the top. If you ignore the creature part uro's just a worse spiral.
2: cycle, play untapped land is amazing.
As someone who really only played heavy in the 90's and vintage occasionally to see Uro, a 3 mana 6\6 with 3 keyword abilities just makes me sick to my stomach.
I dont get how cards get so powerful at such low costs but yet still start at 20 life points.
Holy crap, wizards! Something is getting pushed!
I saw Simic, I insta-clicked. This is gonna be a good video, I can tell before even watching it.
wow simic got a insane powerboost over the last few years
Crazy how, prior to 2017, the most powerful Simic card in the game’s then-24-year-old existence was Trygon Predator, with 13 points 😂 the 9 cards above it on this list were released after that.
Not close to most powerful, the most consistent. Trigon Predator always seems to hit the field in multiples and it just tells the opponent "no artifacts or enchantments."
NGL, as someone who enjoyed Sonic since Gatecrash, I was pumped to see they wanted to push this underpowered color pair, but they clearly went way too far, and that was clearly a mistake.
I find it kinda funny that you dont even mention Temur Reclamation when talking about the top 2 cards when Reclamation was the one deck that won almost every PT level event in the timespan :D I guess it shows how absolutely ridiculous these cards were
I feel like you made this to make a point, as we go from 10-4 as all the cards dropped off
If i had a dollar for every 1UG banned card in standard since 2017 I would have 3 dollar, which is not much but is just weird it happened more than once.
i still use my momir vig religiously, and was hoping to see it on this list, but then again im way behind on MTG to know if its even legal in these playsets
None of these were to big a surprise. I was a little surprised to not see Risen reef though.
It is the start of the century of commander, so of course cards are going to get more powerful. Sarcasm, but they are definitely making cards for commander that aren't play-tested to see how they will work in standard
"Century of Commander" as though Magic survives the decade.
The power creep is real.
Well seeing as simic was literally at rock botom, better for it to be relevant with bans, rather than the top one having 15 points
This might be a stupid question but how do you get the results of tournaments for your research?
I'm not sure if all the data is on the Wizard site, but a lot of it is.
Uro really do be hittin kinda different doe
would love a new look at the indestructible top 10 sometime
Top 10 duo color(Ravinica) with your ranking system. Top 10 Triad colors.
When the world hated Oko the most he was banned
Who thought the most played simic card would be a common lol
Just looking at this top 4 makes me reconsider playing magic ever again
Not gonna lie. Didn't expect growth spiral to be at no. 1.
Just seeing this list made me think of how many Simic cards have been banned in the last year or so.
Well Shardless Agent is probably back on
Can you mabye do izzet next if you havent already? Id like to see how much its changed since then
I was pretty sure simmic commander would be on the top 10 list, right?
I wouldn't mind seeing a top 10 modern horizons
Edit: one month later. Hey thanks!
This list provides a pretty good insight on why playing Magic and especially Standard has been a rather unfun experience over the last two years.
Elk-standard and Growth Spiral into Uro drove me out to even launch Arena for quite some time ... I'm just worried that WotC hasn't learnt the lesson yet.
I'm kinda worried about this too. Personally it was that meta where every single game I played on Arena was against either a Simic Flash deck (Reclamation, Cutthroat, Wolf, etc.) or a Mono-Red Cavalcade of Cancer deck. Couldn't stand it. Ended up uninstalling. I've been having quite a bit of fun in Brawl recently, but standard is still a ****fest, from the little I have played it.
@@garettkutcher9531 That would... That would actually be brilliant. It would solve the repetitive nature of standard while insuring that more cards see competitive play AND forcing WotC to actually think about the rarity of cards when designing them. It would be very weird for rarity-shifted reprints, though.
@@garettkutcher9531 Also, are you the Garett from Playing With Power? Not a very common name.
They haven't.
NEO is AWESOME but it has to exist in the same Standard as the last sets.
What’s the max number of points a card can make from standard alone? Or in other words, at what point is it impossible for a card to make it onto a list through being played in just standard?
I still cannot believe they printed Oko able to elk other people's stuff as a plus ability. Speaking of which, did you ever do a vid about the Top 10 Most Obvious/Stupidest Cards, IE ones that you needed 0 skill to play and win off of. Could be luck based wins, could be just a stupid beater like an Eldrazi that just blows up everything, could be Oko and he just elks everything until he wins you the game by himself. Cards that work so simply/well that you just need to cast that stupid card to win, and few decks could do anything about it. Not including any 'combos' that are givens, IE cards that specifically work with another card by name, just single idiot button cards that win.
When I started playing, the thing that grabbed my attention for real wasn't power level, it was that cards were interesting (and could be pretty complex). I already played other games that were simple (and Crazy 8s was really cheap to play for example), what made Magic a bit different was that bad but interesting cards regularly saw print, and sometimes the bad but interesting cards ended up being decent anyways. I liked Homarids at the time, because you actually had to plan ahead pretty far or you were toast. Another one, look at the original text of Tacklemaggot and weep, for example, but we played with it as 12 year olds, it's not like cards needed to be stupid to see play among casuals. I think the real problem here was that WotC tried to tap into the less nerdy demographics that weren't as literate/good with numbers, and they needed to dumb the game down or it'd never reach those people. Growing the game is good (and makes a ton of money), but game quality at times does suffer.
The closest we get to that kind of zaniness lately would be Eldraine, where really offbeat stuff like Clackbridge Troll got made. Of course, they pushed the rest of the set so hard that the interesting cards didn't see much play, but if you wanted weird cards, they did exist in that set to a degree that they hadn't for a long time. Theros Beyond Death felt like the opposite though, so I doubt we'll be seeing tons of interesting and complex cards.
Had #2 and #1 flip flopped. Only 3 points apart so not bad. But yeah simic really got pushed didn’t it.
If oko isn't #1 then it's probably hydroid krasis, since it's not banned everywhere
Getting banned ín a competitive format should add like 20 points to a cards score in my opinion. This probably isn't enough to make up for how much play they had seen if they were left untouched, but it does compensate for it at least a little bit, thus helping to put their powerlevel into perspective.
Only reason Oko is not #1 is cause he was banned in almost every format.
Simic was never a BAD color pair, it's just that individual monogreen and monoblue cards had a lot of synergy compared to their gold cards. That's absolutely changed over 2 years.
"Simic was a pretty weak color pair for most of Magic history"
Oh, the good old days... after 2019-20, I'm still holding out hope that wizards will ban the whole color green eventually
100x this. Just waiting for green burn and they'll just have everything going for them. :(
Is there a top 10 of the highest scoring cards by points? I'm curious what the highest score ever is.
PLEASE, MAKE IT STAHHHHHP
Ugh that thumbnail gave me flashbacks
Crazy how stupid good Simic got in the last couple of years. As a Timmy who also like to play control/tempo I love it.
Would Shardless Agent see play if it were legal in Modern?
...man I can't wait for MH2
For sure, would be one of the best cards of the format. Many of the decks that currently run Violent outburst/Ardent plea and do some sort of cascade combo would instead just run shardless. Not only that you can actually run shardless in a normal deck, without cascade tricks and have it be good.
Really doubt they will make shardless modern legal, but... who knows?
Interesting seeing that sentiment considering most people hate MH2
Ooo had to come early for Simic!
Genuinely amazing how bad that simic list was prior to these last two years
how many of those powerful simic cards were supposed to exist in the same standard format together?
Right now?
Oko & Uro which would be 4color Omnath with both.
Which would btw made Kaldheim an utterly useless trash set cause that eck would be 100% dominant and not interested in any Kaldheim cards.
I love Simic …
No Simic Guilmage? I'm kinda dissapointed
U missed a joke with a elk in the intro this time - okotized!
I feel like this is gonna be dated in 6 months after stryxhaven has some time to cause problems in standard.
It's almost like blue and green shouldn't go together.
You know, like they should be enemies and nerf one another...
But that'd be silly.
I remember people thinking Growth Spiral was a mediocre draft filler because it meant missing your two drop just to maybe ramp. Seems that was a very incorrect analysis lol.
Figured all the bans would suppress Oko some
Simic used to be a bad color pair, until the FIRE design attacked
Scrolling past this vid and I though it said MTG top 10: Simp lol
Idk, Lovestruck Beast maybe?
Ah, Uro #1 and Oko #2 I'm guessing?
Oh, I had forgotten about that one... Didn't see it coming until I saw who #4 was!
Uro is #2. How fitting. 💩
BRO WHY IS GROWTH SPIRAL NUMBER ONE!!?!?!??!!!
I do love the power of my Guild 🌊🌳
Shardless Agent in Modern Horizons 2 please? Lol
When discussing frilled mystic, you mistakenly called it mystic snake
Always nice to be early to your vids
In two more years maybe things will flip again and Boros will go from worst to best colour pair
Ahhh Simic! WotC's favorite color pair!
I very much remember a time where this wasn't at all the case and Simic multicolor cards were weak in comparison to other color pairs. Printing Oko and similar mistakes was definitely overcompensation though. And I'm saying that as an absolute Simic fan.
poor mystic snake
Screw Oko!