@@AttawayAudio Come on! you're like twins! LOL XD even your voice is extremely accurate! :D hahaha. On the other hand I like a lot the info shared here! thank you very much! n.n
We just changed to IEM´s and tried them on a gig. We kinda all made the mistake having the intruments too loud! Listening to some Mobile Phone videos(I know it is not the best way to listen to live sound) we realized that we were overcompensating, even sing off pitch in parts.... I was shocked, because we actually are well trained vocalists.... For smaller Gigs we don´t have a sound tech, so we used the FOH mix for the monitors.... well I made some adjustments in the stereo panorama and turned the volume down a bit later in the rehearsal room, after watching your video... it helped a lot! Thanks for this great video and regards from Germany.
Thank you. I'm just getting into in ears and I was very frustrated because I was told that I should ONLY be hearing myself in them. I was told that if I was a real 'artist' then I would just get used to it. It's so nice to actually get some real information.
Great Video with a lot of helpful information. I am a pagan (for lack of a better term) and I found this so informative. It really helped to understand the dynamics of singing with IEMs and it makes perfect sense after hearing it. I can't say that without this tip that I would have caught on to the effects of volume levels being too high or too low. I greatly appreciate your efforts to share this information with us! You had so many great points that I may have to re-watch this a couple of times to absorb all that knowledge. Thank you so much and have a wonderful day!
SMH yeah it took me a year to figure out that the shutter button makes the camera autofocus, so even if I pre-focus, then hit the shutter button to start recording, it focuses on the back wall or something else close by. That's what you get when you let an audio guy play with cameras I guess
Not to mention how insightful your tips are,you being so funny is enough for me to become your minion ...this is the kind of fun way to learn and explore new things...thanks ,you are a gem sir!!💎 subbed
Seems like a good time to jump in although 3 years after this video. Our problem is 6 singers on one IEM channel, 3 on another and two more on a third channel. No one is happy. Thoughts on improving the mix in this situation. I’m the bad guy of course…
do singers raise themselves a bit louder from the music in their in ear mix.... compared to what it would sound in front of house thanks learning alot with u
Yeah "more me" is really common, sometimes to the point of it being painful for anyone mixing monitors for them (ask me how I know). Most performers want to hear themselves really well, so they'll put themselves in front of the whole mix. The tension is that they should JUST (more than barely) be able to hear themselves, rather than they should JUST (only) hear themselves. Thanks for the question Andy M!
Is there a way to have it to where when the main mix is messed with such as gain or the faders are turned up it doesn’t effect the volumes in the inner ear?
Really informative video, thank you! I have a question continuing on from something you touched on regarding singing and pitch. The show I’m currently performing in is an outdoor stadium style show with live vocals over a orchestral backing track. We don’t have a dedicated in ear monitor mix or mixer. The way the system is set up, on our packs, we can only adjust the overall volume, and also balance between the vocals and the track (more vocal less track/ more track less vocal) .. and that’s it. I’ve noticed from watching videos of the show that my pitch has been suffering. I’m singing slightly sharp.. and I’m usually spot on with my pitch. Any idea why this would be? Do I have too much vocal in my ears? Or perhaps it’s too much track? Or is the overall volume too loud? Too soft? I’d love your advice on this as it has me stumped. Many thanks!
Your suspicion is probably right - either too much level overall, so you're trying to push too hard, or too little of your voice/too much track that's resulting in the same. Another consideration is the fit of your in-ear monitors, since the PA is probably quite loud, if your IEMs aren't isolating you well, you'll be trying to overcome the noise from the PA and turning your level up too high.
Thanks for replying to the comment th-cam.com/video/ECBsZW8Ifk4/w-d-xo.html 👈👈 here in this link video, there is this that an auto voice commanding to all the singers and musicians, when to sing or play intro. Chorus, verse along with tempo beat. This could only heard from the ear mix .
That's the guide track, set up in Ableton or with Multitracks. If you don't have it programmed in multitracks that you're using, you can record yourself saying all the commands and then assigning them a midi trigger, so you can sequence that.
This works well in this quiet situation, but unless you have ear buds with absolute isolation then the mix you have worked on goes straight out the window
I sing on the worship team and the backup vocalists were never taught how to properly mix the in-ears with the personal digital boxes. Any advise on the basics? Should the Worship Leader be the loudest? I have never gotten used to them as I hate hearing my own voice and then I turn my voice a lot lower than the other vocalists. I get too self-conscious on how I sound.
James what are you thoughts on compressing IEMs? Say light compression on the persons instrument and then moderate compression on a duplicate sent to everyone else. Thank you in advance!
Hello there. A fantastic tutorial as always. Just a beginner question. My church recently bought the Behringer x32, and I am trying to learn how to connect a stereo in ear mix. We dont have any p16 and we are not planning to buy them any time soon, so I have to use one of the 6 bus outputs. I have learnt how to route it, but I just wanted to double confirm, that I am supposed to use 2 physical outputs and use them as L and R into an in ear amp, or was there anyway to use only 1 output to archive this? Thank you in advance.
INNER HUM IS AWFUL. You're not alone. But you won't get a seal from the iphone ear buds so you won't get any low frequencies, and then you turn it up louder than is safe for your hearing for extended periods
@@noahd.2680 The C2 do a great job for the price. We swapped out the dirt cheap drum kit overhead mics for a pair of the C2 and the result was very good, so used them on the room as well and they do the job.
@@PanRider939 if it works for you that's great! If you invest in overheads again though, consider something solid at 500+ for a pair because they do make a huge difference especially in capturing the WHOLE kit and not just the cymbals :)
@@noahd.2680Will do I’m always in favour of the best of course :-) but you can do a lot on a budget and the c2 are decent for the price. I could go ballistic but there are other priorities being a church and all. The rest of the kit is individually mic’d up, even have two mics on the kick drum. So the overheads have a good dose of hpf only wanting cymbals. I got to crank it all up at a youth concert the other night and it all works, especially liking the double mic on the kick. The drum mic set was bought by someone else. I was pricing up 3000 and an 8pce set for 400 lands on the table. 😩. Which is why we had to replace the overheads. The rest of the set is fit for purpose. Actually I did an a b test against some SM57’s we have laying around. And although there is a difference, not enough of one to change, other than they were SM57’s.
That’s a possibility! But you’ll lose all your low-frequencies from your mix. If there’s the right amount spilling onto the stage from the PA, you might be able to get away with it, but that also introduces timing issues. I suggest room mics, appropriately EQed to give that crowd and room feeling.
for male singers how much base should i cut on monitors or should i try and leave as much as possible i have one cut at 60hz and another at 40 what do u recomend ?
boss weekly quest sorry hehehehehe hope all is great s could it be that i find it better for singing putting the compressor before the effects than otherwise in my iem mix?
Yes, for MOST inputs, I'll compress before adding effects. Effects in monitor mixes should be like sprinkles - just a little goes a long way. Always glad to answer your questions andy M!
singer: "I can't hear myself in the monitors!" monitor engineer: "if you can hear youself it's too late." what's about latency? digital radio (mic)? digital desk? digital radio (inear)? before doin' on stage you should know what to do. inears are good for hearing the rest of the band (well mixed).
I disagree - a singer needs to hear themselves clearly. There's latency even from a monitor wedge, but some people are more sensitive to latency in IEMs than others. Switching polarity can possibly help, too.
Thanks for this guide, very helpful! Tell your camera guy to move the focus, next time, from mic to your face, is hurting my eyes to look at your face for 20min ;). (because of the focus of course :)))) )😀
I'm the camera guy 😬 I pre-focused, and then hit the shutter button to start filming... unaware that doing so makes it autofocus while I'm not in front of the camera, so it focused on the microphone nearby. It took me 12 months of filming to figure that one out. My deepest apologies.
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How to mix your in ears with Ross from Friends
Or Ray Ramano. Whatev 🤷🏻♂️
@@AttawayAudio Come on! you're like twins! LOL XD even your voice is extremely accurate! :D hahaha. On the other hand I like a lot the info shared here! thank you very much! n.n
Definitely Ross... and definitely Ray! Haha
As a musician at our church, I know how that electrifying feeling is like when the vocals are so good!!!
so good
We just changed to IEM´s and tried them on a gig. We kinda all made the mistake having the intruments too loud! Listening to some Mobile Phone videos(I know it is not the best way to listen to live sound) we realized that we were overcompensating, even sing off pitch in parts.... I was shocked, because we actually are well trained vocalists.... For smaller Gigs we don´t have a sound tech, so we used the FOH mix for the monitors.... well I made some adjustments in the stereo panorama and turned the volume down a bit later in the rehearsal room, after watching your video... it helped a lot! Thanks for this great video and regards from Germany.
I always start with both in ears and then usually end up pulling one out. As long as you don’t turn it up it’s fine
I shared this with our band! Thanks for such great info. I hope they all watch it and get a lot out of it. I know I did.
Thanks for sharing!
This was fantastic! Your videos are entertaining, incredibly informative, and really easy to understand. Please keep it up!
Thanks for the kind words Tyler! 🙏
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Thank you. I'm just getting into in ears and I was very frustrated because I was told that I should ONLY be hearing myself in them. I was told that if I was a real 'artist' then I would just get used to it. It's so nice to actually get some real information.
All your videos are amazing! Love how you explain!
Thank you and hugs from Spain!
Glad you like them!
Great Video with a lot of helpful information. I am a pagan (for lack of a better term) and I found this so informative. It really helped to understand the dynamics of singing with IEMs and it makes perfect sense after hearing it. I can't say that without this tip that I would have caught on to the effects of volume levels being too high or too low. I greatly appreciate your efforts to share this information with us! You had so many great points that I may have to re-watch this a couple of times to absorb all that knowledge.
Thank you so much and have a wonderful day!
The focus on that microphone is just *chefs kiss*
SMH yeah it took me a year to figure out that the shutter button makes the camera autofocus, so even if I pre-focus, then hit the shutter button to start recording, it focuses on the back wall or something else close by. That's what you get when you let an audio guy play with cameras I guess
Not to mention how insightful your tips are,you being so funny is enough for me to become your minion ...this is the kind of fun way to learn and explore new things...thanks ,you are a gem sir!!💎 subbed
Love your videos, but please (pre)focus the camera!!!
Keep up the good work!
🤦🏻♂️ you caught me. An audio guy doing video by himself. Just watch on your phone in portrait mode and you won't notice 😂
lol oops. The guy's camera focused on the microphone in the lower right corner instead of his face.
Great video I love how real you are in your video and very realistic. Thanks
Yeah you can't fake being this dorky
This is exactly what I came here to say. It's clear you're being just yourself, and that's super refreshing. Don't stop doing that!
Seems like a good time to jump in although 3 years after this video. Our problem is 6 singers on one IEM channel, 3 on another and two more on a third channel. No one is happy. Thoughts on improving the mix in this situation. I’m the bad guy of course…
Loss of hearing until the resurrection 😂
It's real beloved! Super pumped for my resurrected body 😂
do singers raise themselves a bit louder from the music in their in ear mix.... compared to what it would sound in front of house thanks learning alot with u
Yeah "more me" is really common, sometimes to the point of it being painful for anyone mixing monitors for them (ask me how I know). Most performers want to hear themselves really well, so they'll put themselves in front of the whole mix. The tension is that they should JUST (more than barely) be able to hear themselves, rather than they should JUST (only) hear themselves. Thanks for the question Andy M!
I am not trying to learn engineering and I am struggling trying to find any, ANY INFORMATION on iem’s
Is there a way to have it to where when the main mix is messed with such as gain or the faders are turned up it doesn’t effect the volumes in the inner ear?
Oh you know just my buddy Jaye Thomas
What can I say, I have amazing friends 🤷♂️
Thanks for all videos man
Glad you like them! Doing my part to serve the Kingdom of Heaven 🙌
Thank you very much for this vidéo! Very helpful 👌🏻
you're welcome Valerie!
Really informative video, thank you! I have a question continuing on from something you touched on regarding singing and pitch. The show I’m currently performing in is an outdoor stadium style show with live vocals over a orchestral backing track. We don’t have a dedicated in ear monitor mix or mixer. The way the system is set up, on our packs, we can only adjust the overall volume, and also balance between the vocals and the track (more vocal less track/ more track less vocal) .. and that’s it. I’ve noticed from watching videos of the show that my pitch has been suffering. I’m singing slightly sharp.. and I’m usually spot on with my pitch. Any idea why this would be? Do I have too much vocal in my ears? Or perhaps it’s too much track? Or is the overall volume too loud? Too soft? I’d love your advice on this as it has me stumped. Many thanks!
Your suspicion is probably right - either too much level overall, so you're trying to push too hard, or too little of your voice/too much track that's resulting in the same. Another consideration is the fit of your in-ear monitors, since the PA is probably quite loud, if your IEMs aren't isolating you well, you'll be trying to overcome the noise from the PA and turning your level up too high.
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This is very helpful...
Please make some video too for re-edit the voice command in ear monitor.
I'm glad it was helpful! I'm not sure I understand what you mean though
Thanks for replying to the comment
th-cam.com/video/ECBsZW8Ifk4/w-d-xo.html 👈👈 here in this link video, there is this that an auto voice commanding to all the singers and musicians, when to sing or play intro. Chorus, verse along with tempo beat. This could only heard from the ear mix
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That's the guide track, set up in Ableton or with Multitracks. If you don't have it programmed in multitracks that you're using, you can record yourself saying all the commands and then assigning them a midi trigger, so you can sequence that.
Thank you so much for this answer.. this is gonna help me a lot. Thank you once again😊👍👍
I love how you took the singers on hahaha
I mean, who got in-ear monitor mixing lessons at their vocal lessons?
This works well in this quiet situation, but unless you have ear buds with absolute isolation then the mix you have worked on goes straight out the window
I meant to say when the band is playing of course!
Yeah it’s essential to have IEMs that seal.
I sing on the worship team and the backup vocalists were never taught how to properly mix the in-ears with the personal digital boxes. Any advise on the basics? Should the Worship Leader be the loudest? I have never gotten used to them as I hate hearing my own voice and then I turn my voice a lot lower than the other vocalists. I get too self-conscious on how I sound.
I've got another video coming on this topic. It's tricky
Hey great video! Any tips for singing drummers? I’m having a hard time isolating my vocals from the drums.
Play quietly? It's going to be difficult any way you slice it.
James what are you thoughts on compressing IEMs? Say light compression on the persons instrument and then moderate compression on a duplicate sent to everyone else. Thank you in advance!
There’s so much preference involved. I like light compression on vocals, but some singers feel “squished” with it
Thanks for the advice!
Hello there. A fantastic tutorial as always.
Just a beginner question. My church recently bought the Behringer x32, and I am trying to learn how to connect a stereo in ear mix. We dont have any p16 and we are not planning to buy them any time soon, so I have to use one of the 6 bus outputs.
I have learnt how to route it, but I just wanted to double confirm, that I am supposed to use 2 physical outputs and use them as L and R into an in ear amp, or was there anyway to use only 1 output to archive this? Thank you in advance.
Yes, for analog line-level outputs, you need two XLR outs for stereo
Do these IEMs sound like you have water in your head? I bought one popular IEM but I was so disappointed I got better sound on my iPhone ear buds.
INNER HUM IS AWFUL. You're not alone. But you won't get a seal from the iphone ear buds so you won't get any low frequencies, and then you turn it up louder than is safe for your hearing for extended periods
How does this help me with setting my iem?
I'm missing something, how are the signals coming in the roland mixer, i only see 2 jacks?
It's a digital system, so there's a digital input device fed from the console.
Thanks for doing this video
You're welcome!
bit late on the video here. Which mics would you recommend for shotgun ambience mics?
We use a pair of Behringer C2. The shotgun picked up to much reflection off the back wall.
@@PanRider939 got a pair of NT5s (black edition looks clean). Probably the better option compared to the C2s
@@noahd.2680 The C2 do a great job for the price. We swapped out the dirt cheap drum kit overhead mics for a pair of the C2 and the result was very good, so used them on the room as well and they do the job.
@@PanRider939 if it works for you that's great! If you invest in overheads again though, consider something solid at 500+ for a pair because they do make a huge difference especially in capturing the WHOLE kit and not just the cymbals :)
@@noahd.2680Will do I’m always in favour of the best of course :-) but you can do a lot on a budget and the c2 are decent for the price. I could go ballistic but there are other priorities being a church and all.
The rest of the kit is individually mic’d up, even have two mics on the kick drum. So the overheads have a good dose of hpf only wanting cymbals. I got to crank it all up at a youth concert the other night and it all works, especially liking the double mic on the kick.
The drum mic set was bought by someone else. I was pricing up 3000 and an 8pce set for 400 lands on the table. 😩. Which is why we had to replace the overheads. The rest of the set is fit for purpose. Actually I did an a b test against some SM57’s we have laying around. And although there is a difference, not enough of one to change, other than they were SM57’s.
Help.. My church is new they hv no mixer. As a singer just need to remember my words what type of in ear thing do I need?
Just a music stand with the lyrics. No one is getting lyrics told to them through their IEMs
can i put both in ears not in al the way so it doesent isolate the crowd so much ??
That’s a possibility! But you’ll lose all your low-frequencies from your mix. If there’s the right amount spilling onto the stage from the PA, you might be able to get away with it, but that also introduces timing issues. I suggest room mics, appropriately EQed to give that crowd and room feeling.
Thank you, Sir, 🙏🌺🙏
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for male singers how much base should i cut on monitors or should i try and leave as much as possible i have one cut at 60hz and another at 40 what do u recomend ?
Make it feel natural. If it feels muddy in the monitors, they won't feel confident. But if it feels thin, they won't feel confident either.
@@AttawayAudio say low cut 60 hrtz ?
HPF around 125-175, low shelf around 200hz.
boss weekly quest sorry hehehehehe
hope all is great s could it be that i find it better for singing putting the compressor before the effects than otherwise in my iem mix?
tone wise i mean i find more my tone
Yes, for MOST inputs, I'll compress before adding effects. Effects in monitor mixes should be like sprinkles - just a little goes a long way. Always glad to answer your questions andy M!
is it normal to have a mixing time about 1 hour?
Depends how complex things are! Shouldn’t take too long if things are setup well
God Bless You:)
Fantastic video :) I want to trade voices with Jay 😂
lol where would that leave him?
@@AttawayAudio Not in a better place, that’s for sure! 😂
singer: "I can't hear myself in the monitors!"
monitor engineer: "if you can hear youself it's too late."
what's about latency?
digital radio (mic)? digital desk? digital radio (inear)?
before doin' on stage you should know what to do.
inears are good for hearing the rest of the band (well mixed).
I disagree - a singer needs to hear themselves clearly. There's latency even from a monitor wedge, but some people are more sensitive to latency in IEMs than others. Switching polarity can possibly help, too.
14:12 pure gold xD
😂
This is great James!
Thanks James!
What Mics are those? 0:11
Shure Beta 87
But like, the part at 14:14 WAS me tho 😂😂
Glad it isn't still you 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Why are all videos on TH-cam about IEM’s from church bands? 😂
because a lot of churches have them and have no idea how to use them.
Ahh!! Always wondered being not from the church scene myself!
What church is this?
Forerunner Church near KC
@@AttawayAudio isnt that the church that does ihop or something?
GREAT :))))
Thanks for this guide, very helpful! Tell your camera guy to move the focus, next time, from mic to your face, is hurting my eyes to look at your face for 20min ;). (because of the focus of course :)))) )😀
I'm the camera guy 😬 I pre-focused, and then hit the shutter button to start filming... unaware that doing so makes it autofocus while I'm not in front of the camera, so it focused on the microphone nearby. It took me 12 months of filming to figure that one out. My deepest apologies.
@@AttawayAudio common, no need for apologies :) you do a great job and is helping us all. Thanks for that
Põem legenda em português por favor
Big project! But it's on the radar 😃
mic in front be 1080p
the rest of video 240p 😭
lol true story
Hahahaha that intro ! XD
It's real tho 🤣
Way to talk about the Haas effect without talking about the Haas effect …..