Duchesnay & Duchesnay (FRA) - 1988 Worlds, Ice Dancing, Free Dance

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  • Budapest, HUNGARY - 1988 World Figure Skating Championships, Ice Dancing, Free Dance - Isabelle and Paul Duchesnay of France place 6th overall here.
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  • @antheadeforest2835
    @antheadeforest2835 6 ปีที่แล้ว +95

    Thirty years later, I still remember how exciting and innovative they were. Shame on the judges who didn't have the courage to give them the recognition they deserved.

    • @MsSlucyna
      @MsSlucyna 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Anthea de Forest They made history

    • @ROMANABSOLUT
      @ROMANABSOLUT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Anthea de forest - what about the backstage details (Canada) which made them to participate for...France ?? Isn't that shame too ?

    • @nuno7588
      @nuno7588 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why shame?

    • @KristineMaitland
      @KristineMaitland หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@ROMANABSOLUT If my memory serves, they were born in France 🇫🇷 and the French were willing to afford more financial support.
      Typical of Canada 🇨🇦. Cheers from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦

    • @LadyEvend
      @LadyEvend 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      🎯👍👍👍

  • @heiligebimbam3073
    @heiligebimbam3073 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Still stands out after all these years as extraordinary.

  • @marenghianne7057
    @marenghianne7057 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I had never seen anyone dancing like that before : for me, it was a complete revelation !

  • @edbag3047
    @edbag3047 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Always my favorite team.. Duchesnay & Duchesnay..

  • @lasirene2618
    @lasirene2618 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    🧜🏼‍♀️ Juste magnifique et incroyable ! Une chorégraphie et une interprétation à couper le souffle, très innovante. Ils étaient merveilleux , cette danse sur glace était envoûtante, quasiment hypnotique, du très grand patinage et très original, j’aimerai en voir plus souvent car la plupart du temps du vu et du revu. Un programme dont on se souvient alors que tant d’autres filent dans les oubliettes à peine terminés. Merci à Paul et Isabelle pour avoir si bien représenté la France 🇫🇷. 🧜🏼‍♀️⛸

  • @magloyd4907
    @magloyd4907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    A brilliant programme choreographed by Christopher Dean, one half of Torvill anf Dean, the greatest ice dance couple of all time and he continued devising all of their startling routines.

  • @bogjestjeden9044
    @bogjestjeden9044 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    the best ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • @patriciafenwick5846
    @patriciafenwick5846 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I remember this so well. They were brilliant. And choreography by Christoper Dean, well, nothing else needs to be said.

    • @LadyEvend
      @LadyEvend 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They were brilliant but underrated by judges :-(
      That's the way it is when someone is in the vanguard.

  • @shahirahafez4085
    @shahirahafez4085 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I have been looking for this dance since i saw it 30 yrs ago.What a performance shame on the Canadian judge

  • @CaeciliaLPIERI
    @CaeciliaLPIERI ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Fantastiquement créatifs et sauvages - une véritable oeuvre d'art - on comprend pourquoi les jurys traditionnels et coincés ne leur ont jamais accordé la première place. Et merci au public de les avoir compris...

    • @patriziamenconi9362
      @patriziamenconi9362 ปีที่แล้ว

      Le pire c est que persone a suivit leur tecnique meme aujourd hui c est une varie monotonie le patinage.

    • @nuno7588
      @nuno7588 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Très créatifs mais injustement incompris à leur époque par les membres du jury trop conventionnels et enfermés dans leur naphtaline d'antan.
      Le public qui s'y connaît les a toujours placés à la première place.

  • @Margo60460
    @Margo60460 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Sono stati bravissimi,anche in questa danza!!!Si meritavano il 6,come voto+la medaglia d’oro!

  • @lv5179
    @lv5179 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Tolik let a stále to mám v paměti... nejkrásnější

  • @alienord2175
    @alienord2175 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    La plus belle époque de la danse sur glace où il était encore permis d'innover, de faire des chorégraphies modernes qui collent le frisson. Mais au lieu de continuer à innover les règles ont changé pour ramener la danse sur glace à un truc totalement cul cul, suranné, plat, sans saveur et sans intérêt. Merci aux Duchesnay pour ces quelques années- fantastiques.

  • @maurizioconti4053
    @maurizioconti4053 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Metavigliosi innovativi su tutti i fronti grazie a loro il pattinaggio artistico subì un cambio di rotta

  • @niquemorolland5169
    @niquemorolland5169 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    super super de vrais champions bravo

  • @Eishockeyfledermaus
    @Eishockeyfledermaus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Diese Choreografie ist einzigartig und wunderbar.
    Der Jury fehlen, ein paar wichtige Elemente.
    Schade.
    Isabel und Paul sind
    grossartig.🧡 ⛸. ((👏))

  • @Lareinedesfritures
    @Lareinedesfritures 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Pioneer of modernity

  • @joienecula9843
    @joienecula9843 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    They were cheated by the judges, not fair at all. This team deserved gold

  • @marisolgarcia3123
    @marisolgarcia3123 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They always choose such an interesting music

  • @marisolgarcia3123
    @marisolgarcia3123 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Avant-garde ❤ art

  • @doloresbarlocco9682
    @doloresbarlocco9682 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Questa e' ARTE! 👏👏👏❤️❤️❤️👌

  • @Volvican
    @Volvican 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I loved them so much back in the day. It was always so frustrating that they were never appreciated during their time by judges. I don't think this one was my favourite but I SO appreciated his role. That didn't really progress in ice dancing with them - some of the innovation did - but just that he at times is the one to focus on - not just the 'lead' in showing off the female. I like the equality between them.

  • @lauremaammeri4244
    @lauremaammeri4244 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Il est incroyable ce programme bravo à Isabelle et Paul ⛸️🥰🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵 il y avait pas meilleur 💪🇨🇵 que vous merci merci beaucoup 😘😀😄 quand je le revois ça me captive 🔥🔥🏆🥇🥇🥇🏆🏆🏆🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵💪💪

  • @richardcochrane1966
    @richardcochrane1966 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Proof that in those days, reputation counted for more than ability...

  • @galileocan
    @galileocan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    21st Century skaters competing in a 20th century sport.

  • @nuberossa47
    @nuberossa47 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    WONDERFUL

  • @martinegavalet870
    @martinegavalet870 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Excusez moi d'être "réac " ,mais depuis les "Duchesnay " ,le patinage ne m'intéresse plus. Ce qu'ils faisaient était tellement beau !!!!!!!!!

  • @joienecula9843
    @joienecula9843 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They were the best in the world

  • @melaniamonicacraciun9900
    @melaniamonicacraciun9900 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing beautiful fans, wow

  • @martonszabo5745
    @martonszabo5745 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They were my Favourite ice dancers. And at female Katarina Witt. I've seen ever from They a same performance as Philip Candolero George Of The Jungle. It was a gala program, but I don't remember in which Year. Jungle Dance? Tarzan? I don't know, but sure I've seen this. And I can't find nowhere...

  • @yvesbat1
    @yvesbat1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Великолепно 🧡

  • @stefanocanepi
    @stefanocanepi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Si è capito che il giudice ungherese non capiva una mazza di pattinaggio !

  • @user-pm7sw9pw6m
    @user-pm7sw9pw6m 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Думаю, отличная могла бы быть пара Поль Дюшене и Оксана Грищук

  • @user-hq8rz3kd7j
    @user-hq8rz3kd7j 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Мощно,но не задело.

  • @MadameChristie
    @MadameChristie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It must be a challenge to choreograph for a sibling pair. You're limited in the stories you can tell since the usual romantic tangos and waltzes aren't really appropriate

    • @gk891
      @gk891 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yes, it forced them to be creative through other means. And they were able to amazing jobs of creating drama and intensity on the ice back when they competed.

  • @frankmeyer9837
    @frankmeyer9837 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

  • @gariiir1923
    @gariiir1923 ปีที่แล้ว

    Судьи не глупые тут перебор с элементами)

  • @nigelgordon
    @nigelgordon 6 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I saw this free dance live, still remember it thirty years later. Can't remember a single one of the other competitors free dances.

  • @fa7426
    @fa7426 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I still remember this 30 years later!

  • @haroldhastings
    @haroldhastings 6 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    This was simply fantastic!!! Such energy and rhythm. The Christopher Dean choreography shook up the Ice Dance world - I remember, I watched the original performance at the time. But it's these two supremely gifted and beautiful people who made this unique and remembered so many many years later ...

  • @darreneaston70
    @darreneaston70 6 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    There are not many memorable dances in the history of Ice Dancing. However this is one of them, because it was new, it was fresh, it was ground breaking. Who remembers the winners' free dance?

  • @amandabenger
    @amandabenger 14 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    My absolute favorite skate couple of all time. Choreography so innovative by Dean.

  • @MsDebGem
    @MsDebGem 12 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    This is one of the routines that sticks in the memory. Totally original, brilliantly skated.

  • @mathildewesendonck7225
    @mathildewesendonck7225 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I think many people don‘t realize how difficult it is to perform to a music like this, with its fast and strong rhythm that changes all the time. That should get extra bonus points (but I admit I have no idea about the figure skating scoring system) They absolutely nailed it!!

  • @Fatima502
    @Fatima502 8 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I was lucky enough to be in Budapest that night. It was electrifying.

  • @MiddleEarthGirl75
    @MiddleEarthGirl75 9 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    This program...this couple, was what made me fall in love with ice dance. Just incredible innovation, difficulty, strength, speed, endurance and artistry. I wish they had been rewarded better throughout their career but they can definitely say they were an instrument of change in the world of figure skating.

  • @dbg399
    @dbg399 6 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    This is still the best ever Ice Dance. I'm glad that it was recorded and saved.

  • @Jaap976
    @Jaap976 12 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is the pure essence of ice dance put on the ice. I do agree, the best couple of all time with major credits to Christopher Dean.

  • @renatalimarzi
    @renatalimarzi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This program simply changed the history of dance. Still wonderful, brillant, electrifying....

  • @braniffblue5684
    @braniffblue5684 10 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Still more modern than today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @sjcno1fancoppell830
    @sjcno1fancoppell830 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    It's a travesty that they didn't win more titles. Absolutely sensational and Chris Dean said Paul one of the best technical skaters ever.

  • @probuilder961
    @probuilder961 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    My wife & I had the pleasure of taking figure skating & ice dancing lessons from both Paul & Isabelle in Florida in the late 1990's. (I wasn't very good at it, but let me tell you, it made me a much stronger skater for hockey!) They work very hard indeed. Paul would sometimes be at the rink until 11:00pm when I was leaving after my hockey game, and we would talk about all sorts of things, he is a very nice, down-to-earth gentleman. I wish I knew where he was now, would love to catch up on things.

  • @renatalimarzi
    @renatalimarzi 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Still in memory after all these years.... Simply wonderful...A really terrific programme. That's why I love ice dance. Simply unforgettable

  • @martineaube4342
    @martineaube4342 6 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thank you Christopher Dean !!

  • @babs5968
    @babs5968 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Christopher Dean choreography, says it all.

  • @TheCopper05
    @TheCopper05 11 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    It was different and very original, and that is why I loved it. They will always be my favorite dance team, behind Torvill and Dean. I think it is always great to be different.

  • @ferminadaza9418
    @ferminadaza9418 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Is 2018 and Im looking this beautiful program seems actual.

  • @bophreyhumgart2953
    @bophreyhumgart2953 6 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Still one of the best ice dancing routines I've ever seen. They had an intensity that no one else seems to have.

  • @boatpasstation
    @boatpasstation 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Ils sont unique. Tout comme leur esthétique. Même en 2018...c’est totalement addictif.

  • @sanoush100
    @sanoush100 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Extremely well skated to brilliant choreography!

  • @OrangeTabbyCat
    @OrangeTabbyCat 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Still as brilliant as the first time.

  • @agpban
    @agpban 9 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Too bad that they did not win more title. But many years later, who remember the programs of other medalists? while many people still remember this jungle program

    • @SDoesNotKnow
      @SDoesNotKnow 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +agpban I and many skating fans certainly remember Klimova/Ponomarenko's and Wilson/McCall's programs.

    • @Polymniatsuyuhanet
      @Polymniatsuyuhanet 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was about to say - and B/B too, liking the Duchesnays doesn't have to prevent us from also enjoying other dancers' programs

    • @mysticalmargaret6105
      @mysticalmargaret6105 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember Kimova and Ponamerenko's from the 1992 Games as well as Usova and Zhulin's. But I don't remember Wilson and McCall's programs at all. They competed I think in 1988.

    • @daffilowe8717
      @daffilowe8717 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wasn´t it called the "Mandingo"?

  • @beataylor52
    @beataylor52 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Probably one of the most dramatic pieces of music ever heard during an ice dancing competition. I've always felt that he always outskated her.

  • @DelusionalDarcy
    @DelusionalDarcy 10 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    That was very creative. Shame on those judges. *smh

  • @wiminuz
    @wiminuz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Many many thanks for this. It's what France makes great in ice dancing every time !!!

  • @steffipaetz9149
    @steffipaetz9149 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Das beste was ich je gesehen habe. Musik toll mit Tanz vereint. So was geniales wünsche ich mir ! Für mich die besten Läufer aller Zeiten .

  • @julkim13
    @julkim13 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just watching this program again !!! And so many feelings !!!! Incredible !!!

  • @mariovonline
    @mariovonline 12 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Literally unforgettable.
    After all these years, they still stand out and above all the others.
    Breaking the mold has never looked so sublime.

  • @josieshy2376
    @josieshy2376 11 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This routine is unforgettable, even after 25 yrs. people still remember it. They were the perfect skaters for this, expressive and strong. Your remark about Isabelle's skating is offensive. Who are we to judge a world class skater's abilities? She always looked stunning, they were both a joy to look at.

    • @MusikPiratCH
      @MusikPiratCH 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Once more a program choreographed by Christopher Dean! He was the innovator behing the Ice Dancing competitions those years (see the Bolero 4 years ago by Torvill & Dean)! :D

  • @en_kemuriya
    @en_kemuriya 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was a kid and rarely intersted in sports, but they were unforgettable. I just remember "Olympic Icedance", "Brother and Sister", "Jungle", "Drumming", "Avant-garde". I'm really glad I watch their show again!

  • @laejandot
    @laejandot 14 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    yes, exactly the most original dance of all the time , noone did it better as them til now

    • @SarahB1863
      @SarahB1863 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      *cough* Torvill and Dean *cough*

  • @lemongan
    @lemongan 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Now this is DANCE!

    • @dylanblack8487
      @dylanblack8487 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They were robbed by the old fart judges that wish to keep ice dancing as boring as themselves.

  • @marishanameyer6132
    @marishanameyer6132 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    that was great!

  • @ti.k.1107
    @ti.k.1107 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I still loooove it!

  • @reitschn
    @reitschn 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wonderful! I have seen it in time.

  • @Tiswas2010
    @Tiswas2010 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic routine...

  • @ancamg
    @ancamg 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Beautiful!

  • @renatalimarzi
    @renatalimarzi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Everything changed in ice dance after this routine. LEGENDARY

  • @martineaube4342
    @martineaube4342 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Christopher Dean is a genious !

    • @elaineculbert8594
      @elaineculbert8594 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Martine … and a really nice guy; a true gentleman!

  • @ROMANABSOLUT
    @ROMANABSOLUT 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I saw THIS very magnificent performance on tv and I was amazed by these 2 great Canadian skaters ! Isabelle married the British ice dancer Christopher Dean in 1991, but divorced in 1993. You guys should know that the North-Americans are...very fluffy in marriage.

    • @mysticalmargaret6105
      @mysticalmargaret6105 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Fluffy in marriage? Whatever that means. And the Duchesnays were French. They competed for Canada but that federation never respected them so they competed for the mother country - France.

  • @Sergio_Valente81
    @Sergio_Valente81 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So this is the dance that Dick Button made reference to when he called Krylova and Ovsyannikov's 1999 Free Dance in Helsinki. I can definitely see the similarities.

  • @CrystalClearNews
    @CrystalClearNews 12 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanks for uploading. I always taped them on VHS, and was sad all my tapes were ruint

  • @romankotov36
    @romankotov36 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've just realized how much this programme owes to the Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini's programme by Bestemianova and Bukin. But OMG, did Isabelle ever lift her free leg? Paul, on the other hand, was one of the finest male dancers of that era. Right up there with Ponomarenko

  • @thereselabelle4706
    @thereselabelle4706 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Formidable......

  • @mirjammanhart8942
    @mirjammanhart8942 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Es war wundervoll, ich schaue es mir noch heute dauernd an. Der Mut zu etwas Neuem und die Perfektion bei der Ausführung beeindruckt mich sehr. Die beschissenen Noten der Kampfrichter waren unglaublich tief. Nicht gerechtfertigt. Die Jury war so altmodisch, sie konnten wegen Unwissen nicht objektiv bewerten. Sie werden noch heute ein schlechtes Gewissen haben. Die Wiedergutmachung ist wohl für das Paar ok, für den Zuschauer leider nicht, Unfähige Richter, Perfektes Paar

  • @mysticalmargaret6105
    @mysticalmargaret6105 6 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I think Ice Dancing has slowly gone backwards since the early '90s. Much of today's Ice Dance programs are boring imo. 5.3 by the Canadian judge reads like sour grapes. They treated the Duchesnays like crap when they competed for Canada, so they went to France. The bitter Canadian judge just tried to take a swipe at them.

    • @MsRumex
      @MsRumex 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      the Dancing has gone backwards in early '90s then come back on track in the late '90s- early '2000s and gone backwards again later on (imho)
      p.s. and I totally agree about canadian judge (but than canadian judges (and most likely their federation) was very adamant about ice dancing to be actual dancing (as they always did judge very rigorously more interpretive programs done by some russian or french teams

  • @patakel
    @patakel 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The very biased and bought, rotten to the core, Russian controlled skating organization stole the medals from this phenomenally stupendous pair and no one has matched them since. I remember watching this live and it thrilled the world. Equal praise to the coach and choreographer.

    • @Blazhevino
      @Blazhevino 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      And what about medals awarded to medal judges only from the USSR? Or maybe, in addition to the Eastern bloc, there were judges from France, Britain, Germany, the USA and Canada? Maybe you did not notice that the highest ratings for the technical part were put by France and Hungary, and the lower 5.3 Canada and 5.5 US? What kind of bias and influence of Russian judges do you speak?

  • @poolrattie
    @poolrattie 12 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    they were so innovative and the judges hated that,,,and SkateCanada could not handle them too so they went to France and skated for them...Canada's loss.

  • @josieshy2376
    @josieshy2376 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't argue that Paul was stronger than Isabelle. It's the wording of the post I was previously replying to that I find upsetting. No skater we can watch at worlds is "fabulously bad". And well - I saw Isabelle stumbling once in their Olympic program in '92, which she skated with a flu and an injury. All their other performances she skated cleanly. It's quite a normal thing that one partner of a coule is stronger than the other.

  • @user-gr5el6di2z
    @user-gr5el6di2z 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    На один квадратный метр столько движений))

  • @mike856ms
    @mike856ms 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Canadian judges we're always hard on them because they left for France.

  • @pia451
    @pia451 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    beste jsdanspaar ever

  • @piznoctsauo8141
    @piznoctsauo8141 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Guillaume Cizeron should take note of Paul Duchesnay and bear his armpits furry: he'd be a major hit. ;)

  • @FuriousTortoise
    @FuriousTortoise 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey y'all, me again. You gotta try this: watch this on mute and play M83s Midnight City.

  • @larahartley7607
    @larahartley7607 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    as much as i love D&W there synchronization needed work. especially coming out of those little spins. his arm would be over his head and hers somewhere else. drove me nuts. they could have learned something from this pair.

    • @lyndah3980
      @lyndah3980 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lara Hartley i

  • @Blazhevino
    @Blazhevino 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    they have taken on themselves at least two pairs in the Olympic champions and prize-winners: Anisina-Peizerat borrowed a lot from them in the style of skating, Domnina and Shabalin, they owe their Olympic dance-not Linichuk as it has come up with!

  • @yunagirl9904
    @yunagirl9904 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    musique ? ?

  • @marianne4884
    @marianne4884 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the name of the music? I'd love to buy it on iTunes.

    • @mysticalmargaret6105
      @mysticalmargaret6105 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it was called "Savage Rites".

    • @xuarxu
      @xuarxu 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Savage rites is the name of the routine.However the music is Mandingo III / War Dance

  • @daniabates
    @daniabates 12 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Kudos to Christopher Dean, still hate the way Isabelle tried to control him though.

    • @mysticalmargaret6105
      @mysticalmargaret6105 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You were there with them to know that Isabelle tried to control him? Only thing I ever heard was that he cheated on her with Jill Trenary - which he did.

    • @querciaspinosa1887
      @querciaspinosa1887 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mysticalmargaret6105 And then he cheated on Jill Trenary with Karen Barber...

  • @ramonas.-leidenschaftvertr4034
    @ramonas.-leidenschaftvertr4034 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was für eine "Gänsehaut-Kür"! Leider zutief bewertet.