Was Dorian Yates BACK workout Optimal? Workout review by Hypertrophy Coach Joe Bennett
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The blood and guts are mandatory before back day
Can’t tell you how many times I’ve watched these pre-training
Leroy Davis, best training partner ever!!
Team 100% or Nothing!
Yet gets no reference or acknowledgement anywhere while other lesser known training partners do....really noticeable & odd. Something must of happened?
legendary gym, legendary training partner, legendary bodybuilder
A subtle but extremely important way that you can tell Joe really knows his stuff is how he's always speaking in terms of individual variance and probabilities ("XYZ tends to give the best % results for the greatest % of people") rather than absolutes ("XYZ is the best/worst/optimal/sub-optimal way of training".)
It's maybe the biggest differentiator between a truly passionate educator versus an online influencer who wants to sell you something. Another awesome video and excited for Part 2.
I’m from China. I’m been watching Joe’s videos for a couple of years, this channel definitely deserves a million subs! I’m so grateful for this information. Thank you Joe 🙏
Something interesting but Tiger Wood's swing coach was never even close to the level of Tiger. Same for Michael Jordan's shooting coach. The best coach was never the best player and the best players are almost never the best coaches. Yes, we can learn from everyone. Even the janitor in that gym will know training secrets. Bottom line everyone just has to try, analyze what's working and what's not. No one weight or workout is forever.
Thanks for that
I thought the very same thing about Jordans plyometrics coach… 🙂
The thing i love abt your videos is that you never speaks in an extreme way on anything
terrific stuff looking forward to part 2 ! cheers! 😘😜👍👍
love these video Joe! Super glad you are back and making this content, appreciate you and love your app
Will def stay tuned for part two (hopfully much more tlparts to come).
Always learning with each video! 🎉 thank you!
Great Video Joe, Dorian is my favourite bodybuilder too
Going to listen when I train today!
Thanks Joe, interesting as always!
Great stuffs again
We are here to gain something but we get more then something thank you joe ❤
These will always be my favorite type of vids from you Coach Joe, have been a huge fan of Dorain Yates ever since you mentioned him in one of your older videos.
Hitting like even before watching the video. I really enjoy your videos. Can't wait for part 2
Same here honestly!
New here. And as a fellow Brit, seeing this type of analysis of Dorian and the Blood and Guts workout, safe to say, I loved it. Great job man, looking forward to the next part.
“I talk about moment arms sometimes”😅 I love this. Been trying dumbbell pullovers over a bench as per natural hypertrophys suggestion. Love these videos 🤓 💪🏼
great video!!! would love to see more breakdowns of dorian!!
Awesome series!! Would love to see more brakedowns of the blood and guts, or other, trainingvideo’s
Outstanding
You my favorite coach😉got t it? Thanks Joe 💪🏻💯
Having Dorian's training partner is 100x more anabolic than any PEDs or training methodology
I m ready for class coach 👍👍
I like the gentle dig on Dr Mike. Outstanding
I didn't catch it, and I was talking smack about Dr. Mike during this video too. 😄
What did Joe say?
You know, the whole thing about this not being him just talking shit about some famous persons crappy workout.. Dr Mike has a whole series on exactly that. 😆
@@moose8618 Ohhhh. I should have caught that. 😆
I definitely know about that series, it's probably Dr. Mike's most popular type of content. 😄
Really enjoyed this one! Tom Platz workout review next please 😉
1:05 already loving this video
Update: fuck, what an amazing video man, truly loved it.
Great video!
Just two nerdy comments here from me… sorry:
The Pullover that Dorian used was no OG Nautilus. It’s an English copy by the company Vulcan.
2. As I can see from the video Dorian is not going full range into full contraction. I think it was impossible because he was just too huge. But if he went down more until the end of the range the cam would drop off the weight a little again. Also the lever on the back of the machine holding the weights comes up and that should change the resistance as well?! So I think the resistance profile might still not be perfect but maybe not that bad as well?
Also I advice people using less weight and a more controlled form on the pullover.
The pullover done with a training partner in a high intensity fashion can be seen like a compound movement for the back in my opinion. It’s really intense and far from just isolating lats. That’s why it was called upper body squat 💪
Really looking forward to pt. 2 🙏👍
Great comment🔥
Leroy Davis has his own TH-cam channel. Good stuff
Cant wait for the yates row.
British fan from London here 😎. Another brilliant vid. Any chance when you discuss the strength profile of the machine/exercise under review, that you suggest what you think a current 10/10 is? Cheers guvnor.
Positivity vs negativity… you’re a good dude
Could you potentially make a video giving your opinion on Hany Rambod’s training and the “FST-7”? Thanks! Love the content!
Dorians training partner popped up in a recent TH-cam video hollingshead training chest at ultraflex northeast Mecca Leroy is still the man organise a training session with him it would be awesome
Dorian is the quintessential "Work smart *and* hard."
Please do this in detail for all excercises Dorian did!!
Long? I thought it was a tad too short. Thank you, Joe
I was expecting more than 1hr... I had to check the time on the video to see what Joe meant.
Especially having in consideration his 15min Instagram rants. 🌶️
❤for🇮🇳 the coach😊
Gunna take you another 3 vids to finish reviewing it lol. Do a mountain dog chest & shoulders workout next!
Watched the video thumbnail
Compared the back
Ignored the video 🗿👍🏿
Algo baby
Intro ends at 6:10
Mike Van Wyck secretly watches all your videos and is your biggest fan. 😁👍
If you watch Dorian Yates Blood and Guts you can actually see him doing a couple of warm-up sets for legs. However for the chest and biceps portion you don't really get to see the warm-up sets as they cut that out of the video and jump straight to him doing barbell bench press. People need to understand at that time when Yates was called "The Shadow", he wanted to create this aura and image of a guy going in and doing one all-out set. Even now, if you go watch a lot of his training videos on HIT training, he has his clients doing a lot of warm-up stuff. We all know that the more advanced you are and the heavier you lift, the more you're going to have to warm up to that working weight. The biggest takeaway from Dorian's type of training or anyone that uses an all-out set is that it is an extended set using various intensification methods. I can make the final set last as long as I want, depending on how much torture I want by doing Drop sets, Negative Reps, Forced Reps with a partner, Myo-Reps, Rest Pause, ect. Another thing to consider is that once a bodypart is warmed up and one exercise has been taken to all out failure, another exercise for that bodypart won't even need a warmup.
I was lucky enough to have him for my off-season coach for two years. I learned so much from him. He always had a very open mind and was interested in what worked bio mechanically for me and what didn’t. And I learned from him did work very well for me. we had long discussions about PED cycles. I was very happy that he used a lot less than other coaches I have used before. And he helped me understand why. He truly understands everything at a very deep level. I am so grateful that he chose me to be one of his clients.
Who, Joe, Leroy or Dorian? Genuine question, confused here. Thanks.
@@dlloydy5356 Dorian
God, I forget how good blood and guts is everytime I see it.
We are trying to overload the muscle in order to make it grow, we can achieve that with 1 set to failure or with 20 sets of whiteout failure training. Typically both systems can work great if you can recover - maximum recoverable volume/intensity are the keys to progress in both systems.
I think doing pull downs with single arm would allow for couple reps more with the same weight, since the SNC has to focus only on one limb.. at least this is what happens to me
Any workout split that gets you to multiple Olympia wins is optimal.
Training partner make a huge difference unfortunately most people work out alone these days
What software is this?
@Hypertrophy Coach-I hope ppl do not see a smart ass comment from me, see the name Joe and think it is you; I wrote to James on a recent video that using intensifiers such as drop sets, rest pauses etc are not always the best when using Dorian's HIT. A gym bro would usually start off training upper body in 1 session and with HIT, it will give good results, proving that 1 set to absolute failure works, especially as you mature, you will find out your ability to take pain increases. However, Dorian brought in the bodybuilding split into HIT, meaning when training back on its own, every exercise will benefit from each other, this is why HIT and a bodybuidling split is very effective when applied to Push, Pull, Legs as Dorian did but triceps on Pull, Biceps on Push for good reasons not to over use and eventually injure the biceps or Triceps when trained too much. Upper back, mid lat, rear delts, each part works the other and the breakage of muscle is intensified,. I have studied it and it works really well, especially as you get stronger but care has to be taken. The most important variables in my opinion is adjusting volume and frequency, especially with HIT or you will go into over training, not just from a nervous system stand point but muscle over lap
Regarding the „stronger and weaker“ part it doesn’t matter in your first exercise, even the opposite is true. At the beginning of your training you are fresh and strong, that’s exactly the moment I would overload contraction, not the stretch. However, it’s only one exercise from many. So it doesn’t matter at all if the stretch is overloaded or not. Just my 2 cent.
Dorian Yates Blood and Guts High Intensity Training stimulates tons of muscle growth. There's no doubt about that.
It worked fore DY - so it was perfect fore him - You need to find out what works fore you that is The fun about this sport you Can rind Your own Way😊
It’s funny in the uk loads of bodybuilders of that sort of age chose to watch B&G with the sound off! 😂 annoying after a few minutes
What ever happened to Leroy?
8 minute intro then an ad
Joe 2 questions ! 1 would you say the under arm hammer would be better stimulus then a wide grip machine pull down ?
2. What’s your rating on the hammer strength pull over ?
Thanks 👊🏽
I am agree the only legend is the king colman you can put 2nd 3rd whatever
why do we love them? or why don't they belong to us?
First I need a partner as bad ass as his…
90+% of my training since 1992 has been HIT
Dorian is doing the pulldowns first then the pullovers in this workout th-cam.com/video/kIG5FWD1XGs/w-d-xo.html. He could be doing a long pre-exhaust here. I read a long time ago that the isolation exercise would be done first to failure then, within 5-10 seconds, the compound exercise should be performed to failure. Some of the really old school Nautilus machines were built for this. I tried pre-exhaust a few time, but I didn't like it.
Cumulatively, I have around 2 year experience on the pullover machine. Most of the gyms that I went to did not have it. It does not get heavy until the bottom portion of the movement, but the pulldown does not get that difficult until the bottom position. The pulldown is more difficult in the stretch and mid positions though.
So,20 minutes talk just to explain the resistant curve of a pullover machine... really?
Great feedback! 🙏 You should make a video, and get it done much shorter 👊
Dr Mike isn't here to defend himself either 😂😂😂
coleman workout Optimal as fugggg?
Prolly shouldn't show Blood and Guts... lost a lot of viewers to it
what?
Message unclear
who is he talking to... guys with roids vs guys non roids . theirs 2 different species .. none roids cant rest /recovery if want to build muscle compare roids can rest as long days they want.. any man cant be honest like this guy wont admit yate many other alike yate are steroids user so easy to build muscle.
So you think Naturals need LESS recovery than enhanced? Fascinating! My last 20 years of training 90% or more natural individuals, I’ve found the opposite to the true. (And where did you ever hear someone trying to deny Dorian was on gear? He’s readily discussed it many times)
@@HypertrophyCoach thats correct natural do less recovery . we all been following roids bodybuilding 2/3 days off next chest any bodypart day. natural are just getting bulkier or fatter. my rest day is all i sleep in and eat 2/ 3 meals bfore gym do same mix routine ... try it you get much better results in 3 months or less .yes you will get sore ,im always sore and feel spasm when im asleep mostly my back and arms
@@echdan1bro what are you talking about
@@Liamgane2 talking about roids and natural are different species . workout routine doesn't work same way or same results . natural will just get bulkier or fatter if they continue roids way.. I see it in all gyms especially woman they are gaining weight
@@echdan1Take an English class bro
This guy's so over analytical that he disects everything he says which is fatiguing that he never gets 2 the point
😂😂
Don’t think! Just lift big and eat big! (You should tell Dorian the same. He wasted so much time studying and being studious!)