@@MrPERPS I’m an AC. My whole job is lenses, lens looks, lens math and focus so there’s a chance I would lol. Not saying the Meike looks bad, still thinking about getting them
What I have read/heard on this from "in the know" sources, Veydra contracted a shop in China to make their cine-style lenses. After Veyrdra and the Chinese partners ran into some "disagreement," the Chinese factory stopped supplying them with the products. In came an other outfit, Meike, contracting with the same shop for the production. Obviously identical lenses, with the Meike variant having recieved some very minor improvements over the Veydra. You can probably get some used Veydras, but if you want new, think Meike (or Tokina, Rokinon, Samyang, Zeiss, etc). The test footage is great, however to truly see what the 16mm can do, it needs to go the inside a building with large open spaces, like a theater, auditorium, cathedral, church. Then we'll know. I am anxiously waiting for some indoor test footage of this Meike 16mm lens to see what it can do with parallel lines, like really high walls in a large room. That would be even more important with the 12m focal length variant, should that ever materialize. Yes indeed, it would be so nice if the 12mm version would in fact come out, but in this business, nothing is certain. These smaller optical companies are here one month and gone the next, like Veydra.
"when looking at 2 images taken by this 2 lenses in the blind test I couldn't say which was which" .. and that monstrual vignette in Meike on the left :D Is this video is sponsored by Meike?
Hi there guys, I state it in the description that I was shooting on a day ever changing cloudy/sunny situations and had to adjust the exposure with the variable ND-filter with changed the image some what ... its more that then anything else. Im gonna do some more controlled shooting scenarios in the studio. thanx for your comments.
I was thinking the same thing. The Veydra seems to have a more even illumination compared to the Meike. (Which seems to have a pretty heavy vignette wide open)
The focus breathing of the lenses is pretty damn impressive. Leica C series lenses are known for having their seamless dissolving quality when racking focus, and these remind me so much of them.
Hey! thanks for review. it looks like u have used ND/polarizing filter while comparing these lenses. i might be wrong. But If so, then the comparing might be incorrect, cause ND or polarizing do affect on each lense differently in terms of shades and colors, especially if it was variable ND. What do you think about that?
Thanks for the comparison- the Meike is on my wishlist, but I don’t know if this glass offers a real plus in quality. Interesting for me would be a comparison of the Meike as cinema lens with a good quality standard photo glass.
2.38. The Veydra clearly shows some barrel distortion. If you look at the brick line present under the background buildings at 2.30 it clearly shows on the jump/comparison at 2.38 between the Veydra and Meike. Although there is a slight blurring at T2.2 when compared to T2.8, you could easily use that slight, natural blur to effect.
Hello! Thank you for your videos. They're really important for people ho's using magic BMCC 4K. I sow One of your videos talking about the lent DZO1024MM. I have doubt if it's better to buy the DZO or the two than you talk in this video. In you opinion the DZO is much better than this two? Thank you very much! A hug from Portugal.
Hello, I did an observation related to focus markings, as soon as I got the meike 16mm and I'd like you to test it as well and tell us if it is a consistent issue. The actual infinity (beyond 5,20m) is around 2m mark. At 1,20m marking the actual focus is at 2,20m. At 0,90 it's 1,50. At 0,60 it's 0,90. At 0,45 it's 0,53. At 0,38 it's 0,44. At 0,30 it's 0,33m. After that mark the closer ones are pretty much what the marking declares. It's not a big issue considering the price of the lens, but I'd like to see if this kind of flaw is consistent in all lenses. Thanks!
Can you help me with my problem? I have BMPCC4K with Meike 12mm T2.2 but i can´t focus to infinity. On the lens is focus on ∞ but real focus distance is maybe 5 meters. Where is problem and what I can do? Thanks for answer
To me they look very different though. Veydra has more magenta and Meike more green. Very different tint. Also I can see more vignetting on the Meike. were you shooting wide open on both? The Veydra seems to let more light in.
Ditto. Colour rendition in the sky seems better in the Veydra too and the Meike has a higher contrast / lower light input. However the Meike does look a 'tad' sharper (on the wide shot of the building for instance)
Hi guys, I think its more a difference in ND stops than anything else. It was a day were the sun got in and out of the clouds so we had to change exposure all the time. The difference in the picture are more do to the variable ND-filter.
i can actually see a difference in micro contrast (Veydra seems to be a little bit more 3D, and Veydra has a tiny bit of breathing while Meike doesn't.
I just picked up this lens based on your recommendation. Did you try to hook the focus motor from the crane 3 to it? I tried to do that with the Lumix 12 to 35 lens. It just wouldn’t work. I’m wondering because of the larger focus rings if it was easier.
Mesogreat If you are referring to the Panasonic Linux 12-35, manual focusing cannot be calibrated because that lens is a fly by wire focus ring. Means that the lens is made for photographers who can pull manual focus faster because the lens will reset itself to the closest subject vs a true manual lens that focus stays at the focus distance pursuant to the focus ring. I know this because I have the 12-35 with a nano wireless focus pull and it wouldn’t work. I had a 12 mm true manual Rokinon laying and swapped it out and it worked beautifully.
Thank you for the info ive seen both on the battle field SAME ILL SAY IT AGAIN SAME LENS ............The only ones that talk crap is people that spent the money i would be a lil steamed too ...even if there is a difference slightly in dynamic rang ..........360.00 to 1.076.00$ .............brother fix it in post lol good day to all
The Veydra looked a touch brighter (nd) on all the vids except the last one but very similar in quality, sharpness and color. Good comparison Arber, that many have been asking for What about the breathing? Anyone want to buy my Veydra 16mm for $1000
can you do a real test in a controlled environment , from what i see here this seems like a sponsored video rather then a fair side by side comparison video
Oh you didn't know, I thought Veydra / Duclous was robbed and basically the inventory was stolen. Duclous the servicing company survived but i think it wiped out the lens co.
Very interesting Arber! When and if Panasonic make a GH6, I shall have the Meike as a consideration to add to my Olympus pro lenses. Thanks for the info! :-)
Exactly Arber! Even though the Oly Pro lenses have a manual clutch, the manual focussing is not linear, which Is not so good when using the 40-150 at the longer telephoto settings because the focussing movement is tiny so it is really difficult to track fast movement and focus precisely especially if trying to use it with the 1.4 extender! It would be great if Panasonic did a firmware update to the GH5 to give us linear focussing over native lenses. This should be a must have on the GH6. It would be great if Meike would make a cine zoom in the future! I hope all is well with you! 🙏🏾
Ha! I just asked about this on your channel Arber. It seems as though Veydra have had a falling out with their producer (Zhang Optics) in China who is now manufacturing these lenses for Meike. There are early images of the Meike 25mm floating around which appear very similar to the Veydra housing, which they have since updated
I have a Black Magic 4k camera (bmpcc4k) and I need to record classes in a very small scenario, at a maximum distance of 1.2 meters from the lens. Is the Meike t2.2 16mm lens able to give me a suitable frame at that distance? Below is an example of the frame I want for that distance. ibb.co/FKQntwR Thanks!
Veydra lens has brighter middle and sides are darker. That lens sucks unless you have defective one. BTW i can tell the difference between the two right a way.
There are real differences --- contrast, sharpness and bokeh if you projected them onto a large screen. DUH. Veydra's $1200 price is a steal when compared to cinema glass. The reviewer glossed over the fact that Meike stole Veydra's original design. A copy/rip off is never the same as the original no matter the rumours.
It's my understanding that the Meike is a total rip of the Veydra with sourcing of parts from the same suppliers. Veydra has done themselves no favors by going dark, after an unfortunate theft of their operation, on an estimated time to for return to market, so Meike is seizing the opportunity. I saw on Amazon where Ryan, the guy who owns Veydra & designed the lenses, is suggesting intellectual property theft.
@@freejay3 I'm not judging. I'm passing along information as stated by the owner of Veydra who posted as much in a public forum, Amazon reviews, concerning the Meike 16mm. Most knock-offs, me-toos, rips of other products are typically of "exceptional value for money" and appreciated. I'm not at all saying Meike is an inferior product, just not the original designer.
Troy Moss Yeah, weird how the cost of something goes down when you don’t have to hire any product engineers, lens designers, a marketing team, and all the million and one things that go into the R&D. If Veydra was your company and someone stole all of your a intellectual property (somehow even breaking ties with your supplier, for instance) I doubt you’d be so ”stoked” about a competitor selling your product at 1/4th the cost. Veydra lenses were considered by most, even Roger Cicala at LensRentals, to be incredibly impressive optics for their price. Look at any of their competitors-they’re all 3X the price and higher. This “Hey, y’all! It’s cheaper over at the Wallymart!” attitude with no concern given to the smaller companies that actually *make* the products is part of the main short-sighted drivers of the caustic populism we around the world today. Buy cheap now, pay for it with your job later. If you don’t see the connection (real or hypothetical) then you’re probably like the average consumer who is willing to lie to themself to benefit in the short term.
@@dasaauto2024 sorry, but I disagree. As it's not rocket science. I too developed and sold products here in the USA, that we're manufactured in China. Some of those products were then recreated with minor changes by other companies in China. I continued to sell my products anyway, even with what some would say was unfair competition. Why? Because I didn't have unrealistic mark ups!!! Meike created a lens, a few minor changes and is now successfully selling that lens. THE END!!!! By the way, you only need to make small percentage changes to a product to avoid patent violations. Thought I needed to reply since I HAVE EXPERTISE in this field. I'm not quoting something someone said on Amazon......
@@no15minutecities your comment is rubbish and it doesn't change the fact that Veydra is brighter than Meike in this test. Of course it is. you can clearly see it when comparing the general brightness of the image, the branches in the foreground and of course histograms. postimg.cc/XpdTfPnb So perhaps think next time before you write a shitty one-word comment.
Have you missed a true Native Cinema Lens for the Blackmagic Camera 4k?
@@djmatt1 samyangs are ugly and expensive.
@@djmatt1 Going to run some tests on that one. I have a Canon 24mm on a Cinema Camera and the Meike 25mm on a GH5s.
You keep saying “I couldn’t see a difference” but there’s a huge difference in color and contrast lol
totally, meike are quite ugly
If you didn't see them side by side you wouldn't know which was which
@@MrPERPS I’m an AC. My whole job is lenses, lens looks, lens math and focus so there’s a chance I would lol. Not saying the Meike looks bad, still thinking about getting them
What I have read/heard on this from "in the know" sources, Veydra contracted a shop in China to make their cine-style lenses. After Veyrdra and the Chinese partners ran into some "disagreement," the Chinese factory stopped supplying them with the products. In came an other outfit, Meike, contracting with the same shop for the production.
Obviously identical lenses, with the Meike variant having recieved some very minor improvements over the Veydra. You can probably get some used Veydras, but if you want new, think Meike (or Tokina, Rokinon, Samyang, Zeiss, etc).
The test footage is great, however to truly see what the 16mm can do, it needs to go the inside a building with large open spaces, like a theater, auditorium, cathedral, church. Then we'll know.
I am anxiously waiting for some indoor test footage of this Meike 16mm lens to see what it can do with parallel lines, like really high walls in a large room. That would be even more important with the 12m focal length variant, should that ever materialize. Yes indeed, it would be so nice if the 12mm version would in fact come out, but in this business, nothing is certain. These smaller optical companies are here one month and gone the next, like Veydra.
the ex ceo of veydra work with meike now
I don't understand how you say they produce the same image quality..Are we looking at the same footage?
Regards to first images shown, I can clearly see that one is brighter or have heavy vignette, I don't quite get it. But the image is totally different
@@thisisryker I know, they show a completely diff image, almost like the white balance and brightness have diff settings.
"when looking at 2 images taken by this 2 lenses in the blind test I couldn't say which was which" .. and that monstrual vignette in Meike on the left :D
Is this video is sponsored by Meike?
@@GolikMarcin I have no idea, but this just made me laugh. He said, They are identical en then at the same time you see 2 completely diff images:-)
Hi there guys, I state it in the description that I was shooting on a day ever changing cloudy/sunny situations and had to adjust the exposure with the variable ND-filter with changed the image some what ... its more that then anything else. Im gonna do some more controlled shooting scenarios in the studio. thanx for your comments.
Compared to the Meike footage, the Veydra seems to be letting in a bit more light
I was thinking the same thing. The Veydra seems to have a more even illumination compared to the Meike. (Which seems to have a pretty heavy vignette wide open)
The focus breathing of the lenses is pretty damn impressive. Leica C series lenses are known for having their seamless dissolving quality when racking focus, and these remind me so much of them.
Hey! thanks for review. it looks like u have used ND/polarizing filter while comparing these lenses. i might be wrong. But If so, then the comparing might be incorrect, cause ND or polarizing do affect on each lense differently in terms of shades and colors, especially if it was variable ND. What do you think about that?
You're correct
Thanks for the comparison- the Meike is on my wishlist, but I don’t know if this glass offers a real plus in quality. Interesting for me would be a comparison of the Meike as cinema lens with a good quality standard photo glass.
Hi Embe! Hope all is good! Im gonna have a video like that coming up soon! Have a great day until then.
@@Vooserecords Perfect - Thanks :)
2.38. The Veydra clearly shows some barrel distortion. If you look at the brick line present under the background buildings at 2.30 it clearly shows on the jump/comparison at 2.38 between the Veydra and Meike. Although there is a slight blurring at T2.2 when compared to T2.8, you could easily use that slight, natural blur to effect.
Meike made the lenses for Veydra, so I would think they would perform the same.
Hello! Thank you for your videos. They're really important for people ho's using magic BMCC 4K. I sow One of your videos talking about the lent DZO1024MM. I have doubt if it's better to buy the DZO or the two than you talk in this video. In you opinion the DZO is much better than this two? Thank you very much! A hug from Portugal.
Hello, I did an observation related to focus markings, as soon as I got the meike 16mm and I'd like you to test it as well and tell us if it is a consistent issue. The actual infinity (beyond 5,20m) is around 2m mark. At 1,20m marking the actual focus is at 2,20m. At 0,90 it's 1,50. At 0,60 it's 0,90. At 0,45 it's 0,53. At 0,38 it's 0,44. At 0,30 it's 0,33m. After that mark the closer ones are pretty much what the marking declares. It's not a big issue considering the price of the lens, but I'd like to see if this kind of flaw is consistent in all lenses. Thanks!
Can you compare the Meike to some Rokinon lenses?
Can you help me with my problem?
I have BMPCC4K with Meike 12mm T2.2 but i can´t focus to infinity. On the lens is focus on ∞ but real focus distance is maybe 5 meters. Where is problem and what I can do?
Thanks for answer
News has released that these lenses are element-for-element the same machined lens as Veydra closes it's doors.
Which battery do you use for the cinema pocket 4k?
so a few months later, what do you think of the meike 16mm?
I see a bit of a haze on the Veydra
Love your videos. Love that you ended it with the footage. Wish more would do that at the end of there videos.
Hi there! Thanx for the great feedback! Im gonna do more of that in the future! have a great day!
Which lens would you recommend for my first cinema lens, 16mm or 25mm?
Very hard question =) probably the 16mm
Meike vs Rokinon on the BMPCC4k would be interesting
Came here to say the same thing. For the price, I'd really like to see the comparison.
I see huge difference in brightness color contrast
To me they look very different though. Veydra has more magenta and Meike more green. Very different tint. Also I can see more vignetting on the Meike. were you shooting wide open on both? The Veydra seems to let more light in.
Pierluca72 I thought the same.
Ditto. Colour rendition in the sky seems better in the Veydra too and the Meike has a higher contrast / lower light input. However the Meike does look a 'tad' sharper (on the wide shot of the building for instance)
Hi guys, I think its more a difference in ND stops than anything else. It was a day were the sun got in and out of the clouds so we had to change exposure all the time. The difference in the picture are more do to the variable ND-filter.
Voosestore.com that makes senses:) What ND was it?
@@Vooserecords ...thats what i thought
i can actually see a difference in micro contrast (Veydra seems to be a little bit more 3D, and Veydra has a tiny bit of breathing while Meike doesn't.
Hi! Thanks for the comparison and your thoughts! Do you know if Meike will be available for Fuji X too?
Hi Kasper, they haven't announced anything but the lenses are can be used on APS-C so they might come =) hopefully
I have both the 16 & 25 and I LOVE them...
Yes we also use both and they are lovely!
@@Vooserecords Your footage in this set up looks AMAZING BTW...
I have question. Can you compare the rokinon cine ds and meike. I am not sure what to take.... 16mm meike or rokinon cine ds
Is the image diverent. Because meike has only 16mm and 25mm. But i also prefure shooting in 50mm and 85mm. Meike dont has it yet.
I just picked up this lens based on your recommendation. Did you try to hook the focus motor from the crane 3 to it? I tried to do that with the Lumix 12 to 35 lens. It just wouldn’t work. I’m wondering because of the larger focus rings if it was easier.
Mesogreat If you are referring to the Panasonic Linux 12-35, manual focusing cannot be calibrated because that lens is a fly by wire focus ring. Means that the lens is made for photographers who can pull manual focus faster because the lens will reset itself to the closest subject vs a true manual lens that focus stays at the focus distance pursuant to the focus ring. I know this because I have the 12-35 with a nano wireless focus pull and it wouldn’t work. I had a 12 mm true manual Rokinon laying and swapped it out and it worked beautifully.
The Veydra looks like it has a Black Pro Mist filter on it, which you can add to the Meike if needed.
Hi Arbour, how smooth is the focus ring, the veydra's are very stiff, thanks for sharing the video great information!
Best is?? Veydra or meike?
Thank you for sharing this. Very in-depth!
I don´t know about you guys but to me the Veydra is the superior of the two in all regards ????
would these lenses cover an aps-c sensor? (a6--- series)
no
SIRUI 50mm lens cover APS-C wait until February 2020
Thank you for the info ive seen both on the battle field SAME ILL SAY IT AGAIN SAME LENS ............The only ones that talk crap is people that spent the money i would be a lil steamed too ...even if there is a difference slightly in dynamic rang ..........360.00 to 1.076.00$ .............brother fix it in post lol good day to all
Am I the only one that see a substantial difference... the veydra has more post production room it appears
It also seems a lot brighter at T2.2
He used nd filters its clear on the vignette
probably the Meike is really a T3... The Veydra is really nice but for the price, meike looks great
it should be 2.2
The Veydra looked a touch brighter (nd) on all the vids except the last one but very similar in quality, sharpness and color.
Good comparison Arber, that many have been asking for
What about the breathing?
Anyone want to buy my Veydra 16mm for $1000
By the way .....The 25mm has 2 versions ......the 1st version is identical to Veydra ....2nd version they changed the shape slightly
Jay Freeman How to identify it? Any URL for both these versions?
Balaji Subramanyam
Just the shape is different....you have to ask the seller
Is it possible that Mieke was responsible for the break in at Veydra a couple years ago?
Hopefully not =) I just think they use the same manufacturer ...
I think veydra collapsed from within
can you do a real test in a controlled environment , from what i see here this seems like a sponsored video rather then a fair side by side comparison video
Can I add a anamorphic lens in one of these lenses.
Wait for the SIRUI 50mm Lens coming this February 2020
Great video; want to see the tilta cage video aswell :)
Love it I'm getting one!
I just got a 25mm to match my 16mm Veydra ....love it
Oh you didn't know, I thought Veydra / Duclous was robbed and basically the inventory was stolen. Duclous the servicing company survived but i think it wiped out the lens co.
i've noticed that the veydra seems to have a little more bloom then the meike
will this work on a gh4
Yes, Absolutely
@@Vooserecords thank you so much
Very interesting Arber! When and if Panasonic make a GH6, I shall have the Meike as a consideration to add to my Olympus pro lenses. Thanks for the info! :-)
The Pro lenses I have used have been great! The Meike Cine lenses give you a different image and other handling =) hope all is good!
Exactly Arber! Even though the Oly Pro lenses have a manual clutch, the manual focussing is not linear, which Is not so good when using the 40-150 at the longer telephoto settings because the focussing movement is tiny so it is really difficult to track fast movement and focus precisely especially if trying to use it with the 1.4 extender! It would be great if Panasonic did a firmware update to the GH5 to give us linear focussing over native lenses. This should be a must have on the GH6. It would be great if Meike would make a cine zoom in the future! I hope all is well with you! 🙏🏾
Ha! I just asked about this on your channel Arber. It seems as though Veydra have had a falling out with their producer (Zhang Optics) in China who is now manufacturing these lenses for Meike. There are early images of the Meike 25mm floating around which appear very similar to the Veydra housing, which they have since updated
ha ha ha, that was a cool coincidence =) yes we have heard the same thing, good to us consumers and sad to Veydra.... Have a great day.
I have a Black Magic 4k camera (bmpcc4k) and I need to record classes in a very small scenario, at a maximum distance of 1.2 meters from the lens. Is the Meike t2.2 16mm lens able to give me a suitable frame at that distance?
Below is an example of the frame I want for that distance.
ibb.co/FKQntwR
Thanks!
My dudes, he is selling the Meike on a website in the description that has the same name as the TH-cam channel. WTF did you expect a review?? Haha!
Veydra is brighter, has less contrast and less vignette. Not so similar I would say. Look at 04:21 and 04:23.
If you can't tell the difference in sharpness at 2:01 and bokeh at 2:09 between the two lenses then your eyes must be thoroughly tested.
Meike was out of focus at 2:09 if you cannot tell
Veydra lens has brighter middle and sides are darker. That lens sucks unless you have defective one. BTW i can tell the difference between the two right a way.
Bad nd filter
Veydra lets in more light.
There are real differences --- contrast, sharpness and bokeh if you projected them onto a large screen. DUH. Veydra's $1200 price is a steal when compared to cinema glass. The reviewer glossed over the fact that Meike stole Veydra's original design. A copy/rip off is never the same as the original no matter the rumours.
It's my understanding that the Meike is a total rip of the Veydra with sourcing of parts from the same suppliers. Veydra has done themselves no favors by going dark, after an unfortunate theft of their operation, on an estimated time to for return to market, so Meike is seizing the opportunity. I saw on Amazon where Ryan, the guy who owns Veydra & designed the lenses, is suggesting intellectual property theft.
We dont know the details so we shouldnt really judge
Meike are exceptional value for money though and i appreciate that
@@freejay3 I'm not judging. I'm passing along information as stated by the owner of Veydra who posted as much in a public forum, Amazon reviews, concerning the Meike 16mm. Most knock-offs, me-toos, rips of other products are typically of "exceptional value for money" and appreciated. I'm not at all saying Meike is an inferior product, just not the original designer.
@@osric70 Sounds like Veydra was doing a job on it's customers, at 4 times the cost. Long live Meike!
Troy Moss Yeah, weird how the cost of something goes down when you don’t have to hire any product engineers, lens designers, a marketing team, and all the million and one things that go into the R&D. If Veydra was your company and someone stole all of your a intellectual property (somehow even breaking ties with your supplier, for instance) I doubt you’d be so ”stoked” about a competitor selling your product at 1/4th the cost. Veydra lenses were considered by most, even Roger Cicala at LensRentals, to be incredibly impressive optics for their price. Look at any of their competitors-they’re all 3X the price and higher.
This “Hey, y’all! It’s cheaper over at the Wallymart!” attitude with no concern given to the smaller companies that actually *make* the products is part of the main short-sighted drivers of the caustic populism we around the world today.
Buy cheap now, pay for it with your job later. If you don’t see the connection (real or hypothetical) then you’re probably like the average consumer who is willing to lie to themself to benefit in the short term.
@@dasaauto2024 sorry, but I disagree. As it's not rocket science. I too developed and sold products here in the USA, that we're manufactured in China. Some of those products were then recreated with minor changes by other companies in China. I continued to sell my products anyway, even with what some would say was unfair competition. Why? Because I didn't have unrealistic mark ups!!! Meike created a lens, a few minor changes and is now successfully selling that lens. THE END!!!! By the way, you only need to make small percentage changes to a product to avoid patent violations. Thought I needed to reply since I HAVE EXPERTISE in this field. I'm not quoting something someone said on Amazon......
meike looks bbetter on my screen youtube 1440p
They are not the same !!!!! bay a good monitor maaaaan 😂
Sigma mft 16mm 1.4 👍🏼
Great lens... but the Sigma is not a "Cine" lens and has no aperture ring. A deal breaker for me.
Veydra is clearly brighter than Meike.
rubbish
@@no15minutecities your comment is rubbish and it doesn't change the fact that Veydra is brighter than Meike in this test. Of course it is. you can clearly see it when comparing the general brightness of the image, the branches in the foreground and of course histograms. postimg.cc/XpdTfPnb So perhaps think next time before you write a shitty one-word comment.
No budget ND filters....
yawn
the misinformation I see here and your other channel drives me crazy!
Hi there, hope all is well, could you be more specifik? Best wishes