I think part of the misconception probably comes from how a large portion of the fandom deals in absolutes (for example, how Flandre not being completely insane must mean she's only being misunderstood ignoring what she did when she thought she had found a culprit). The train of thought seems to be "if the spell cards were meant to avoid fights ending with death, that must mean previous ones always ended that way". Given part of the reason for the Vampire Incident was that youkai weren't being feared, it might have been the exception that required a rule patch rather than the norm.
Personally I have the headcanon that even before Spell Card rules, there already was an unspoken practice of not going all out/not using deadly force during fights (thus explaining why no one is actually seen dying or being seriously wounded). A few things to note: 1) Reimu was actually surprised when she thought she had killed Meira (who immediately proves her wrong by yelling at her and leaving). This would imply to me that death in pre-Spell Card rules duels was rare or even unheard of. 2) MS wasn't even the first time Yuuka made death threats without meaning them. Already in LLS, before her fight with Reimu, she says "In a few hours, you'll become a mist of atoms. ♥" but then adds "I thought it'd be neat if that actually happened. ♥"; considering how powerful Yuuka is, to me this implies less that she can't do that and more that she _won't,_ in turn suggesting she's holding back. I'd like to expand on a side note about Yuuka, but it's not particularly crucial to my case here so I'll post that in a reply. 3) Let's consider a very important thing about the Vampire Incident: the Scarlet Devil Mansion had _just_ entered Gensokyo; of course some outsiders who just got there wouldn't know about the delicate balance of Gensokyo or about an unwritten rule of fighting non-lethally. My interpretation here is that, with the incident having left several casualties before being stopped, the Spell Card rules were introduced to formally enforce what was already common practice, non-lethal fights, so as to prevent any further cases like this. "But Yumemi & Chiyuri were outsiders too!" Yes, and the problem didn't come up because they wanted to take the protagonist to their world _alive,_ as evidence for Yumemi's theories.
As for my side note: I also like to think that Yuuka might have been important in either spreading the practice in the old days, helping create the Spell Card rules, or both, since her Perfect Memento in Strict Sense article goes out of its way to say this: "This class of youkai is not interested in the average human, and only pays attention to equally strong youkai or humans with special abilities. However, when ones with power clash, both sides are aware that they cannot come to a conclusion easily. To counter this, rules will often be decided beforehand and a formal battle will take place. By fighting with these rules, even if one could continue after losing, they must admit their loss. Once that is done, the other side will not continue further. That is the wisdom of youkai who have lived long". This sounds too close in concept to the Spell Card rules, but at the same time, it says "rules will often be decided beforehand", implying there isn't already a standardized set of rules (i.e. the Spell Card rules), in turn suggesting this principle goes back a very long time before the Vampire Incident. Actually, in hindsight, this does help my case a lot, lol.
That is a really good interpretation of the PC-98 fights, I did forget about mentioning smaller things like Meira in the video. Overall I really like the idea that while there was’t any rules, everyone did’t go all out in there attacks and dying from a dule was pretty much unheard of.
"the Scarlet Devil Mansion had just entered Gensokyo" Actually, not true. It's consistently implied that the SDM had been there for an unknown amount of time already, but it was probably there for years maybe decades before Remilia revealed herself with the vampire incident.
@@Jann75 Looked around and... you are correct, it's unclear exactly when the Scarlet Devil Mansion appeared. Its entry in Bohemian Archive says as much: "No one knows when it arrived, but it seems unlikely for it to have been there for too long. As the building seems old, it may have once stood in the outside world in the past". This left me confused as to _where_ I got the impression that the Vampire Incident had happened immediately after the mansion arrived, but my closest guess is that I jumped to conclusions on this line from the incident's PMiSS account: "It was into this situation that a powerful youkai from outside, a vampire, appeared, and quickly amassed a great number of subordinates". I suppose I took the "a vampire appeared" thing too literally, as in she had just arrived, instead of considering it could also mean what you were saying, that that was just when she first showed herself, even if she (and by implication the mansion) had already been in Gensokyo for a while. Either way, if she hadn't shown herself before and thus hadn't had any significant interaction (or any interaction at all) with the residents, it's likely she wouldn't have known much about how things are in Gensokyo when she started the incident, which would still work for the point I was making. But I will concede my claim that "the mansion had just arrived" was incorrect and that it's unknown how long it had been there at the time.
The only time PC98 Reimu ‘killed’ the enemy was Orange from TH4, which upon defeat , Reimu seals Orange to an amulet or something, despite her begging to ‘not kill her’. (Orange is not sealed in the Marisa route) However, there isn’t much proof in PC98 canon that sealing a youkai results in killing a youkai, so yeah, she might not be dead in actuality
Yuuka mentioning Genocide as a game is seen by me as a way of trying to piss off Shinki even more. Generally, Makai folks are probably stronger from average humans and youkai of Gensokyo anyway seeing as Makai is later rewritten a bit so that it's dangerous for non natives. The closest we got to a spell card duel I think is Alice's Extra fight seeing as she has a bit of pause before each attack and she also changed backgrounds instead of having them static. The only other exception like that is Shinki, but that was more in regards to Makai environment. A headcanon from me now - Louise in Stage 4 Midboss may be her powered up form or something. Or maybe it's not even her and the midboss is just using an existing sprite. Back then, ZUN didn't really think too much of midbosses, seeing as he didn't even bother with Daiyousei and Koakuma until the fanbase reached him.
With Yuki and Mai there's also the glaring point that Zun outright said in an interview that neither died. While 2hu as a franchise has its abundance of tragic backstories and all no character has ever died on screen and never will. (Unless you count the fairies you butcher in each game but they are reborn anyway since they be immortal and all.)
Thank you SO MUCH for making this video! It really gives us an accurate take on what really happens in Pc-98, rather than it just being "hurr durr dark n edgy because no SCR exists"! I never liked this misconception because the battles in Pc-98 aren't much different from Windows gameplay-wise, heck even the characters are fine after the battles, so I never really got why everyone took this era so seriously even though ZUN himself probably didn't think much when writing it (these were some of his first games, after all).
In general, I don't get it when people claim PC-98 is dark (or at least compared to Windows). If you really look at a lot of the antics and dialogue in these games, it's just as silly as some of the Windows stuff. Even things like Yuuka's death threats, she doesn't mean it, she's just messing with people for giggles (though I guess one _could_ argue that's even more messed up, lol). The only time I can think of that got really tense and serious was when Yumemi let it slip that she intended to kidnap the player character to her world as evidence of her theories.
When it comes to shrine maidens lore and yokai, shrine maidens dont kill the yokai. They get weakened and then sealed (but they can still talk back when sealed), with talismans. Usualy when a mortal gets near a sealed shrine a yokai may talk to them and try to make open up a seal. Touhou probaly uses the same logic.
alice in the th5 extra stage is probably the closest to a pc98 boss having spellcards because in every second and her last phase she shoots danmkau (almost) constantly and this is also the case for mugetsu as well(ik she has only 2 phases) also 2:14 SPEEN
Spellcards also have a rule in that everyone has the chance to win,so thats why Yuyuko and other OP characters doesnt use their powers (in most cases haha)
If Reimu killed her opponents, then she sure sucked at killing Mima, because she survived three times. Also, Reimu killed Yuuka after she got out of bed, and then killed her after she got dressed, and then Yuuka came back next game anyway. Hmm...🙄
Also, no rules doesn't mean danmaku are weak. The rules require weak danmaku. Great example is Marisa's stars that taste like candy. But lethal danmaku do exist. It's just that the rules forbid them.
Added to all of this (that made you think Reimu killed), there was this one dialogue when beating the Stage 4 boss of LLS (I don't remember if it's Reimu or Marisa who says it) where your opponent says "Don't kill me off so easily" (at least that's what appeared on my version of the game) so yeah, still can be the fact that there is no official/professional translation for the PC-98 games and be a non-accurate translation.
I believe you are thinking of Orange from LLS, after Reimu defeats her, Orange says "I don't want to die yet!" I did forget to mention that in the video, and it dose go against it, but I don't think Reimu actually killed her since it doesn't really seem like she killed anyone else before, and Reimu just mentions sealing her, and could even just be joking
@@spirit-eye Ok I just watched a walkthrough of the english patch, and when you play as Marisa, when beating Reimu the dialogue goes as follow: M: "Farewell Reimu, I'll pray your soul rests in peace." R: "Don't kill me off like that !" Maybe it's just the english patch mistranslating what they are saying, but it can make you think that they kill, well that at least Marisa does.
The only time it was confirmed Reimu killed someone (to my knowledge at least) was during Forbidding Scrollery, Chapter 25, where a fortune-teller turned himself into a youkai and then got killed by Reimu after she announces that a human from the Human Village becoming a youkai is "the greatest sin". It also made a hefty portion of the fanbase (as well as the Fortune-teller himself) go "What the hell?!" because Reimu did something we don't usually see her do but does remind us that she's not afraid to kill youkai and do her job which is exterminating said youkai if necessary. She probably just likes the company the youkai brings and knows that if any of them try to cause trouble she'll gladly teach them another lesson or two. We do know she hates the fact no-one is willing to help her clean up the Shrine grounds tho'.
It does seem like Reimu is willing to kill people, but only when it directly threatens the balance of Gensokyo, but when it comes to the games, while the main antagonists end up threatening Gensokyo in some way, they are typically not threatening the balance, or at least not on purpose, and a good beat up is all they need in order to change there way. it usually is’t as urgent as the case with the Fortune teller.
@@spirit-eye True, not to mention even in the print-works Reimu's got a personality that seems to be less patient and more wanting to solve the incident as fast as possible. I doubt she'd exterminate any of her youkai friends unless they were purposely causing trouble that threatens Gensokyo's balance. But if Reimu does end up killing a youkai again I wouldn't be surprised if the fanbase went "What the hell?!" *again* and then use that as the basis for the "Reimu is a psychopathic murderer!11!!!" crackhead theory when it only happened *three times.* Turns out I forgot to mention another required extermination that happened in Forbidden Scrollery, this time in Chapter 37. In Chapters 36 & 37 a wealthy salt merchant got possessed by a umatsuki after killing and eating one of his beloved horses he got possessed by said umatsuki (which was the horse he killed and then ate) and got promptly exterminated by Reimu in the latter chapter. So yes, Reimu as killed two times thus far, one was a youkai and the other was human. (If there are any other times She takes the balance of Gensokyo *very* seriously in Forbidden Scrollery (and probably does in the other print-works but who knows). Kinda scary when you think about it, knowing that she could just kill someone, be it human or youkai, without batting an eye about it. Also, wrong "there". "There way" doesn't make any sense in a sentence.
Yeah, there are definitely times where Reimu will kill someone, but this video is more about PC-98 touhou and how Reimu didn't kill characters like Shinki, Yuki, Rika and other characters like that. But outside of the PC-98 characters, PC-98 Reimu still may have been fine with killing anyone who was a threat to the balance of Gensokyo just like in Windows.
I don't think Reimu killed anyone because if she had done that, she would have been arrested by Kotohime who is a police officer even though she already got arrested in Kotohime's ending. They're still alive around, only abandoned and nowhere to be seen in later games.
I personally don't believe that Reimu kills anyone. Or Yuuka, or Mima for that matter. Nobody ever dies in official Touhou lore. But I like the possibility that people get hurt badly or gravely considering the harsher extreme subthemes these games provide. With Mystic Square being the biggest offender. They went to Makai, caused all sorts of destruction and hurt a lot of people and murdered all the fairies on their way (remember fairies dont really die, they are part of nature and revive). Especially Mima and Yuuka show that they don't really feel any remorse for going all out and not holding back their power during their dialog: Someone gets hurt? Even badly? Not their problem. It's the victims fault for standing or crossing their path. Louise comes back enraged as midboss, and she seems angry and badly injured. Depending on how you take out first, neither Mai or Yuki are seen living. Also remember what they represent. One of them getting snuffed out just increases the tragic of their representation for Judas betrayal. Shinki, doesnt give a shttt about her own world and burns the capitol to the ground. Can't be there are no casualties. But yes, I dont think anyone dies there. But the thought makes the limitless destruction caused more thrilling, tragic and epic in my book. RetroEra allows the most speculations and personal interpretations because there is nothing known. It never had a official book or anything unlike the Windows era. It is less limiting to someones imagination than windows era. So everything goes. Every opinion is valid. 👍
Nobody dies: Also Fortune Teller: I don't think so. Yes, there's a couple deaths in official 2hu lore. Reimu personally killed two youkais (fortune-teller and merchant possesed by umatsuki). Yuyuko rect herself because she was afraid of her ability and Mima, in order to be vengeful spirit, had to be alive at some point. Also, Soga-no Tojiko tried to become a hermit like Futo, but vessel, where her soul should be living, dilapidated, making her a ghost, so it counts as death, right?
How does such an assumption even happen when...that is literally not what happens on the screen?(as in, people fight Reimu and just stay alive) People fighting to the death is an actual canonical thing in the PC98 continuity if we count Seihou as connected, but it's not particularly like every encounter over there is lethal either, kinda like how a swordduel also wouldn't always result in a dead body, unless the people going at it were *really* focussed on ending each other. That is not to say nobody died, but it really mystifies me how people don't realize that 2:55 in combination with 3:41 is kinda a thing.
I love how bro fucking went “okay Reimu doesn’t call anyone but here’s this other woman that literally talks about massacre being a game and no i’m still saying no one died” even if she didn’t kill opponents she still literally killed people lel
I think part of the misconception probably comes from how a large portion of the fandom deals in absolutes (for example, how Flandre not being completely insane must mean she's only being misunderstood ignoring what she did when she thought she had found a culprit). The train of thought seems to be "if the spell cards were meant to avoid fights ending with death, that must mean previous ones always ended that way". Given part of the reason for the Vampire Incident was that youkai weren't being feared, it might have been the exception that required a rule patch rather than the norm.
Personally I have the headcanon that even before Spell Card rules, there already was an unspoken practice of not going all out/not using deadly force during fights (thus explaining why no one is actually seen dying or being seriously wounded). A few things to note:
1) Reimu was actually surprised when she thought she had killed Meira (who immediately proves her wrong by yelling at her and leaving). This would imply to me that death in pre-Spell Card rules duels was rare or even unheard of.
2) MS wasn't even the first time Yuuka made death threats without meaning them. Already in LLS, before her fight with Reimu, she says "In a few hours, you'll become a mist of atoms. ♥" but then adds "I thought it'd be neat if that actually happened. ♥"; considering how powerful Yuuka is, to me this implies less that she can't do that and more that she _won't,_ in turn suggesting she's holding back.
I'd like to expand on a side note about Yuuka, but it's not particularly crucial to my case here so I'll post that in a reply.
3) Let's consider a very important thing about the Vampire Incident: the Scarlet Devil Mansion had _just_ entered Gensokyo; of course some outsiders who just got there wouldn't know about the delicate balance of Gensokyo or about an unwritten rule of fighting non-lethally. My interpretation here is that, with the incident having left several casualties before being stopped, the Spell Card rules were introduced to formally enforce what was already common practice, non-lethal fights, so as to prevent any further cases like this.
"But Yumemi & Chiyuri were outsiders too!" Yes, and the problem didn't come up because they wanted to take the protagonist to their world _alive,_ as evidence for Yumemi's theories.
As for my side note: I also like to think that Yuuka might have been important in either spreading the practice in the old days, helping create the Spell Card rules, or both, since her Perfect Memento in Strict Sense article goes out of its way to say this:
"This class of youkai is not interested in the average human, and only pays attention to equally strong youkai or humans with special abilities. However, when ones with power clash, both sides are aware that they cannot come to a conclusion easily. To counter this, rules will often be decided beforehand and a formal battle will take place. By fighting with these rules, even if one could continue after losing, they must admit their loss. Once that is done, the other side will not continue further. That is the wisdom of youkai who have lived long".
This sounds too close in concept to the Spell Card rules, but at the same time, it says "rules will often be decided beforehand", implying there isn't already a standardized set of rules (i.e. the Spell Card rules), in turn suggesting this principle goes back a very long time before the Vampire Incident. Actually, in hindsight, this does help my case a lot, lol.
That is a really good interpretation of the PC-98 fights, I did forget about mentioning smaller things like Meira in the video. Overall I really like the idea that while there was’t any rules, everyone did’t go all out in there attacks and dying from a dule was pretty much unheard of.
"the Scarlet Devil Mansion had just entered Gensokyo"
Actually, not true. It's consistently implied that the SDM had been there for an unknown amount of time already, but it was probably there for years maybe decades before Remilia revealed herself with the vampire incident.
@@Jann75 Looked around and... you are correct, it's unclear exactly when the Scarlet Devil Mansion appeared. Its entry in Bohemian Archive says as much: "No one knows when it arrived, but it seems unlikely for it to have been there for too long. As the building seems old, it may have once stood in the outside world in the past".
This left me confused as to _where_ I got the impression that the Vampire Incident had happened immediately after the mansion arrived, but my closest guess is that I jumped to conclusions on this line from the incident's PMiSS account: "It was into this situation that a powerful youkai from outside, a vampire, appeared, and quickly amassed a great number of subordinates".
I suppose I took the "a vampire appeared" thing too literally, as in she had just arrived, instead of considering it could also mean what you were saying, that that was just when she first showed herself, even if she (and by implication the mansion) had already been in Gensokyo for a while.
Either way, if she hadn't shown herself before and thus hadn't had any significant interaction (or any interaction at all) with the residents, it's likely she wouldn't have known much about how things are in Gensokyo when she started the incident, which would still work for the point I was making. But I will concede my claim that "the mansion had just arrived" was incorrect and that it's unknown how long it had been there at the time.
I still like the angsty interpretation of MS as a horrific terrorist attack.
The only time PC98 Reimu ‘killed’ the enemy was Orange from TH4, which upon defeat , Reimu seals Orange to an amulet or something, despite her begging to ‘not kill her’. (Orange is not sealed in the Marisa route)
However, there isn’t much proof in PC98 canon that sealing a youkai results in killing a youkai, so yeah, she might not be dead in actuality
Doesn't she free her later?
Yuuka mentioning Genocide as a game is seen by me as a way of trying to piss off Shinki even more. Generally, Makai folks are probably stronger from average humans and youkai of Gensokyo anyway seeing as Makai is later rewritten a bit so that it's dangerous for non natives.
The closest we got to a spell card duel I think is Alice's Extra fight seeing as she has a bit of pause before each attack and she also changed backgrounds instead of having them static. The only other exception like that is Shinki, but that was more in regards to Makai environment.
A headcanon from me now - Louise in Stage 4 Midboss may be her powered up form or something. Or maybe it's not even her and the midboss is just using an existing sprite. Back then, ZUN didn't really think too much of midbosses, seeing as he didn't even bother with Daiyousei and Koakuma until the fanbase reached him.
I just assumed that Yuuka was on her edgy phrase especially how chill she is in window era
@@toyohimeyeswatatsuki6917 Yuuka likes to troll people as well.
With Yuki and Mai there's also the glaring point that Zun outright said in an interview that neither died. While 2hu as a franchise has its abundance of tragic backstories and all no character has ever died on screen and never will. (Unless you count the fairies you butcher in each game but they are reborn anyway since they be immortal and all.)
Thank you SO MUCH for making this video! It really gives us an accurate take on what really happens in Pc-98, rather than it just being "hurr durr dark n edgy because no SCR exists"!
I never liked this misconception because the battles in Pc-98 aren't much different from Windows gameplay-wise, heck even the characters are fine after the battles, so I never really got why everyone took this era so seriously even though ZUN himself probably didn't think much when writing it (these were some of his first games, after all).
In general, I don't get it when people claim PC-98 is dark (or at least compared to Windows). If you really look at a lot of the antics and dialogue in these games, it's just as silly as some of the Windows stuff. Even things like Yuuka's death threats, she doesn't mean it, she's just messing with people for giggles (though I guess one _could_ argue that's even more messed up, lol). The only time I can think of that got really tense and serious was when Yumemi let it slip that she intended to kidnap the player character to her world as evidence of her theories.
When it comes to shrine maidens lore and yokai, shrine maidens dont kill the yokai. They get weakened and then sealed (but they can still talk back when sealed), with talismans.
Usualy when a mortal gets near a sealed shrine a yokai may talk to them and try to make open up a seal.
Touhou probaly uses the same logic.
alice in the th5 extra stage is probably the closest to a pc98 boss having spellcards because in every second and her last phase she shoots danmkau (almost) constantly and this is also the case for mugetsu as well(ik she has only 2 phases)
also 2:14 SPEEN
5:10 The PC-98 can only handle 16 colors being shown at a time, that is probably why she looks different.
Spellcards also have a rule in that everyone has the chance to win,so thats why Yuyuko and other OP characters doesnt use their powers (in most cases haha)
Spellcard rules:"It needs to be beatable."
Spellcards that are genuinely undodgeable:"Huh?"
@@lpfan4491 Spellcards in TH9 and TH19 (more TH9): "CHAOOOOOS"
If Reimu killed her opponents, then she sure sucked at killing Mima, because she survived three times.
Also, Reimu killed Yuuka after she got out of bed, and then killed her after she got dressed, and then Yuuka came back next game anyway.
Hmm...🙄
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Also, no rules doesn't mean danmaku are weak. The rules require weak danmaku. Great example is Marisa's stars that taste like candy. But lethal danmaku do exist. It's just that the rules forbid them.
Added to all of this (that made you think Reimu killed), there was this one dialogue when beating the Stage 4 boss of LLS (I don't remember if it's Reimu or Marisa who says it) where your opponent says "Don't kill me off so easily" (at least that's what appeared on my version of the game) so yeah, still can be the fact that there is no official/professional translation for the PC-98 games and be a non-accurate translation.
I believe you are thinking of Orange from LLS, after Reimu defeats her, Orange says "I don't want to die yet!"
I did forget to mention that in the video, and it dose go against it, but I don't think Reimu actually killed her since it doesn't really seem like she killed anyone else before, and Reimu just mentions sealing her, and could even just be joking
@@spirit-eye Ok I just watched a walkthrough of the english patch, and when you play as Marisa, when beating Reimu the dialogue goes as follow:
M: "Farewell Reimu, I'll pray your soul rests in peace."
R: "Don't kill me off like that !"
Maybe it's just the english patch mistranslating what they are saying, but it can make you think that they kill, well that at least Marisa does.
The only time it was confirmed Reimu killed someone (to my knowledge at least) was during Forbidding Scrollery, Chapter 25, where a fortune-teller turned himself into a youkai and then got killed by Reimu after she announces that a human from the Human Village becoming a youkai is "the greatest sin". It also made a hefty portion of the fanbase (as well as the Fortune-teller himself) go "What the hell?!" because Reimu did something we don't usually see her do but does remind us that she's not afraid to kill youkai and do her job which is exterminating said youkai if necessary.
She probably just likes the company the youkai brings and knows that if any of them try to cause trouble she'll gladly teach them another lesson or two. We do know she hates the fact no-one is willing to help her clean up the Shrine grounds tho'.
It does seem like Reimu is willing to kill people, but only when it directly threatens the balance of Gensokyo, but when it comes to the games, while the main antagonists end up threatening Gensokyo in some way, they are typically not threatening the balance, or at least not on purpose, and a good beat up is all they need in order to change there way. it usually is’t as urgent as the case with the Fortune teller.
@@spirit-eye True, not to mention even in the print-works Reimu's got a personality that seems to be less patient and more wanting to solve the incident as fast as possible. I doubt she'd exterminate any of her youkai friends unless they were purposely causing trouble that threatens Gensokyo's balance.
But if Reimu does end up killing a youkai again I wouldn't be surprised if the fanbase went "What the hell?!" *again* and then use that as the basis for the "Reimu is a psychopathic murderer!11!!!" crackhead theory when it only happened *three times.*
Turns out I forgot to mention another required extermination that happened in Forbidden Scrollery, this time in Chapter 37. In Chapters 36 & 37 a wealthy salt merchant got possessed by a umatsuki after killing and eating one of his beloved horses he got possessed by said umatsuki (which was the horse he killed and then ate) and got promptly exterminated by Reimu in the latter chapter. So yes, Reimu as killed two times thus far, one was a youkai and the other was human. (If there are any other times
She takes the balance of Gensokyo *very* seriously in Forbidden Scrollery (and probably does in the other print-works but who knows). Kinda scary when you think about it, knowing that she could just kill someone, be it human or youkai, without batting an eye about it.
Also, wrong "there". "There way" doesn't make any sense in a sentence.
Yeah, there are definitely times where Reimu will kill someone, but this video is more about PC-98 touhou and how Reimu didn't kill characters like Shinki, Yuki, Rika and other characters like that. But outside of the PC-98 characters, PC-98 Reimu still may have been fine with killing anyone who was a threat to the balance of Gensokyo just like in Windows.
Also, Miko said that one of her ten desires is to live in harmony with youkai.
Touhou fans: Spell Card Rules are meant to prevent bloodshed.
Yuyuko: 😋🐦
I don't think Reimu killed anyone because if she had done that, she would have been arrested by Kotohime who is a police officer even though she already got arrested in Kotohime's ending. They're still alive around, only abandoned and nowhere to be seen in later games.
What about Sariel? I mean, watever her second form IS
I don’t really know, but I just think of it as some sort of last word, kind of like Yuyuko’s final attack in PCB
@@spirit-eye oh i see... yuyuko dead tho 🙃
true, although Sariel is an Angel of Death
@@spirit-eye it'd be contradictory if she died then, no?
I still don't think she dies, I just think of her second phase as her finale stand.
I personally don't believe that Reimu kills anyone. Or Yuuka, or Mima for that matter. Nobody ever dies in official Touhou lore. But I like the possibility that people get hurt badly or gravely considering the harsher extreme subthemes these games provide. With Mystic Square being the biggest offender. They went to Makai, caused all sorts of destruction and hurt a lot of people and murdered all the fairies on their way (remember fairies dont really die, they are part of nature and revive). Especially Mima and Yuuka show that they don't really feel any remorse for going all out and not holding back their power during their dialog: Someone gets hurt? Even badly? Not their problem. It's the victims fault for standing or crossing their path. Louise comes back enraged as midboss, and she seems angry and badly injured. Depending on how you take out first, neither Mai or Yuki are seen living. Also remember what they represent. One of them getting snuffed out just increases the tragic of their representation for Judas betrayal. Shinki, doesnt give a shttt about her own world and burns the capitol to the ground. Can't be there are no casualties.
But yes, I dont think anyone dies there. But the thought makes the limitless destruction caused more thrilling, tragic and epic in my book.
RetroEra allows the most speculations and personal interpretations because there is nothing known. It never had a official book or anything unlike the Windows era.
It is less limiting to someones imagination than windows era. So everything goes. Every opinion is valid. 👍
Nobody dies:
Also Fortune Teller: I don't think so.
Yes, there's a couple deaths in official 2hu lore. Reimu personally killed two youkais (fortune-teller and merchant possesed by umatsuki). Yuyuko rect herself because she was afraid of her ability and Mima, in order to be vengeful spirit, had to be alive at some point. Also, Soga-no Tojiko tried to become a hermit like Futo, but vessel, where her soul should be living, dilapidated, making her a ghost, so it counts as death, right?
Yeah I Wish Spell Cards Exist in PC-98 Touhou Games!!
Agreed, why don't we hope there will be remastered version of PC-98 games with spellcard rules ?
Maybe she kills some enemies but they were already dead like ghosts or were ressurected from hell/makai.
I mean, do you really expect such an innocent human being like PC-98 Reimu to kill anyone?
I will try to be at touhou fest as well by the way.👍🏻🥰
cool, I hope to see you there
Spirit-Eye i hope so as well.👍🏻🥰
"Yuki" Look Kinda Similar to Touhou 6 "Marisa's" Design!!
How does such an assumption even happen when...that is literally not what happens on the screen?(as in, people fight Reimu and just stay alive) People fighting to the death is an actual canonical thing in the PC98 continuity if we count Seihou as connected, but it's not particularly like every encounter over there is lethal either, kinda like how a swordduel also wouldn't always result in a dead body, unless the people going at it were *really* focussed on ending each other. That is not to say nobody died, but it really mystifies me how people don't realize that 2:55 in combination with 3:41 is kinda a thing.
Glad I found this chanel, tons of shit on the best 5 games of touhou
idk based on the soundtrack names I think Sariel could be dead.
Speaking of "Spin" it kinda "ZUN" Rip off "Crash Bandicoot"!! 2:19
I love how bro fucking went “okay Reimu doesn’t call anyone but here’s this other woman that literally talks about massacre being a game and no i’m still saying no one died” even if she didn’t kill opponents she still literally killed people lel
The orange 🍊 begs to difer
Maybe "Reimu" killed all her opponents in PC-98 touhou games but at least she didn't kill "Marisa" "Yuuka" and "Alice"!!