Yeah its unlimited artifact but you still need to use waveplate/resin to get the substats i mean 13 variety of sub stats but waveplate is 240 unlike genshin
I always thought it was super stupid how the only viable way to receive artifacts were locked behind resin, especially with how much rng there is, they should at least drop from enemies or something. I'm super excited to see where WuWa will go however!
@@Beeeeeewwwww Didn't keep me playing, kills my interest when I find out that my character's progression is essentially determined by the game. It wouldn't be such a problem if it weren't for the fact that artifacts play such a major role in your character's performance. Once I got to a point where the only real combat content is Abyss, I stopped playing as much as I used to.
@@pyronado4320artifact stats increase dmg, so do constellations. most whales i know just gonna c6r5 the newest char and happy with mid ass artifacts bc they never touch the abyss. some enjoys speed running will refresh their resin if constellations were just solely qol upgrades, mihoyo could force whales to farm too
@@av_kay5059I don't understand why they haven't done that or increased the limit of the amount of condensed resin to something like 100 already, people are still gonna log in every day to do commissions
@@davidcoso1179 and the sim bosses usually end up one shotting you even if they do hit you anyways 😭 i cleared lvl 3 on all of them but not gonna grind further cus beta
Finally some deep detailed explanations. Every video so far has been surface level first impressions which was okay, but I had no idea how anything worked. I like how the monsters are the relics and I can see with future patches the world exploration will be exciting to run into new monsters and new abilities. My only concern is how good each ability is, there’s some great cool characters in gacha games that are just too weak to practically use or they get powercrept by another character I hope echos aren’t this way. I know the turtle is a meme, but then I never saw it do that shell spinning/flying move at 1:55 which means it’s a bit more dynamic, you can heal while moving / evading which is much cooler than just dancing while standing still. I also see other echos sort of lock you into an animation which if timed incorrectly you can take a lot of damage, I like the idea of the turtle as an emergency evade + heal that’s just cool design. I hope you cover the swapping mechanic because other people brought up there’s in and out skills that are significant part to combat as well and idk how they exactly work. Great vid keep it up!
@@TGSWutheringWavesthe game is essentially skill based. So there was no character that will get powercrept. Our MC Rover is recommended and useful because their combat kit and skill sets are simple and easy to understand. You can say him and the free 4 star chars that you will be getting in the main story are considered as starters like pokemon (reference). Once you get the hang on how the combat mechanic works, you're pratically just going to main one of your fav chars instead. Hence, you're free to explore various comboes together with other chars. Do note, the combat will go intense by the time you lvled your world lvl higher as well as the end game contents. Intense as in enemies getting buffed, new movesets that you never seen before, and their agressiveness goes high.
@@luckyshikikan6985It’s very hard to say all that for certain, gacha is still an element in this game and the game is still in its early phase. I’d say every combat game in the beginning can be seen as skill based.
@@luckyshikikan6985i wouldnt write off powercreep so quickly... kuro game's previous game, punishing gray raven, has powercreep as a staple. and while WW doesnt do everything the same way as PGR, it should still be noted. say what you will about HYV but theyve done an unbelievably great job at keeping older characters relevant. its how tgs mentioned in the xiao vs neuvillette video. xiao is still competitive with 4.x characters 3 years after his release. even someone as similar as chiori doesnt directly powercreep albedo.
I'm so glad that you decided to cover WW. I watched quite a few videos about character building but yours is the first that is insightful and gives a clear view of how it works for people who didn't get beta access. Thank you!
So basically, farming main stats are resin-free, while substats do require resin. That's a pretty smart way to tweak the system lmao.. Removing excessive rng layers while still limiting player progression (in a good way). I like it
I'm so glad you're doing TC for WuWa. And I was hoping this game would succeed as a seasoned PGR player but Kuro just blew me away with this Echo system as well as the harder boss challenges and that roguelike mode. Sadly I can only watch streams because I wasn't lucky enough to get into the beta itself. Btw absolutely love your Genshin work. They're short but very jam packed with every bit of info we need. Keep going king
Day 1 Genshin player here [PS5]. Limited spender on Welkin + BP since Sept, 28, 2020. Despite the game's faults, I still never came across any other open world live-service game that could come close to this quality after three years. Thanks to you I can happily say I was *wrong. Your video here on WuWa changes everything! The way exploration mixes perfectly in w/char builds is ingenious, this could potentially keep every aspect of the game fresh, especially if the devs adds new different monsters in previously explored areas. Now I can't wait to finally play Wuthering Waves! You sir, got my like + subscription! 🌟
Well... The game is out and i can assure you with a shadow of a doubt that farming echo in wuwa is 10x harder than artifact/relic farming. Getting main stat is easy. But the easiness ends there. EVERYTHING else is painfully hard.
The problem is that the echo is still sort of artifact hell, with just extra steps (grinding them). If we could use +0 echoes as fodder that would be revolutionary, now it's just smoke and mirrors.
Very excited that a detail oriented content creator like you has picked up a (what appears to be) a detailed and exciting new game! Thank you for the hard work! Keep it up!
I don't think they solved the Artifact problem. But at least they made farming ECHOs (artifacts) more interesting and fun. Now you have to explore the open world to improve your stats, planning a route, without a Energy limit
not sure if it's mentioned but there's like leylines where you can also get sure pokemons by spending resin. if that also includes those dice for substat then it's actually pretty generous. but iirc only pokemon exp not sure since i only did it one time.
That system sounds interesting. I also think that the overworld in genshin feels completely detached from the rest of the game. When a new area comes out and I start exploring it, I feel like I'm playing a completely different game. Because 90% of my usual daily genshin experience is commissions, domains, events and the abyss
Well that feeling isn't going to go away with WW, at first it'll feel new and fresh. But once you complete the story then 90% of your playtime in WW will be the daily grind
Watch in a few weeks you gonna hate the the exploration in ww. Coz that remind you those running around the map for 20% echo drop grinding you gonna do everyday. The grinding on this game gonna be so tedious.
Oh no. I was totally planning on skipping this game, but shiny hunting??? This looks kinda like a more casual monster hunter game which is really appealing to me 😭
I kinda like the cost limit for the echoes. It seems like a restriction, but it makes it so all cost Echoes can be valuable, even just to reach the set bonus. If the total cost is 12, you could have your important stats as the 3 or 4 costs and then your less important ones as 1 and 2. In Genshin or HSR, you just want everything as a 5*, so there isn't really a point to use lower rarity pieces once you get far enough. This system is cool. I just hope they have ways of getting echoes outside of exploration, like as rewards for clearing certain endgame modes or events. That would be great because farming the open world repeatedly would get tiresome. But the combat looks like a lot of fun, so I'm sure for some it will be enjoyable to clear all the monsters out lol
I've watched a few other content creators thoughts of wuwa but my thoughts were always it'll probably be a passing game I play with geshin not really invest too much but the way tgs the described his experience with the game actually has me excited for the release. Not bringing down other creators just saying that his view on the game clicked for me alot more than other
no lol! this isn't an MMO, because mmo+gacha is not really good combo and a lot of players doesn't like mmo because you need a lot of commitment, like time, schedule crap, I've been there played mmo for like 12yrs
I saw people talking about doing shiny hunts in coop so you can increase the chances of getting rare echoes and other people can claim it as well not just host.
"No resin cap" This sounds too good to be true, will it be like genshin where themonsters only spawn once per day? I hope it does not work that way, but even then that is still really cool, as you could basically farm every echo once a day if there is only 1 of those monsters or more if there are more.
It’s not fixed.. upgrading them to reveal substats takes resin.. still rng rolling for tiny tiny chances. What’s the big difference? All you can farm unlimited is main stat.
Really good first video so far. This makes me excited for the game. Thanks for covering! I only disagree with the Dragonspine part. That area looks the most ass in Genshin. And WW from what I have seen so far is prettier.
Game will release tomorrow but this 4:05 alone piqued my interest for WuWa. I feel like you're the only channel that pointed that out. other CC just called it WuWa's artifact system in reference to genshin and called it a day. But having the load out option have that much more flexibility is a fresh take on the artifacts/relic equipping system. Genshin's one is more typical for gacha games but this one feels slightly more unique take on it.
i can already see that farming shiny echoes will be like farming 6 star artifacts but we'll see how it goes hopefully we can reroll main stats and sub stats later on
Yall gotta stop doing this. Nothing will rip genshins fanbase from that game. Wuwa can do everything right and people will simply use it as a beating stick to threaten genshin to do better.
@@hakumenx1 It's inevitable, genshin fans and genshin haters will make it near-impossible for the game to develop its own identity when it launches, at least until the hype dies down
Wait 7% - 28% CDMG on ONE ROLL?? Not sure how I feel about that. Getting a piece with max rolls on ATK%, ER%, CR%, CDMG% sounds like a nightmare. EDIT: Oh, and DMG% is a sub too. So even if you get a double CRIT piece with good rolls, it'll still be missing a potential 15 ATK% and 12 DMG%. That seems a bit insane.
Getting unlimited main stats is great, especially with 2 main stats each, but the sub stats ranges are crazy fr, 25% - 100% meaning you can get 4 same stat rolls and it equals 1 lucky roll 😂
I can think of people posting routes for echo farming and then just grind them 24/7. There's no cap on obtaining these, right? Because in Genshin you can kill 400 elites (the ones that drop 200/400/600 Mora and then their materials), then after that you don't get anymore Mora and mats.
If you have any doubts about Mihoyo games and the company's contempt for its player base. Then you should be saving your Gacha budget for Wuthering Waves release. That is what I am doing
I'm honestly liking this system more, I barely farm artifacts in Genshin, I rather spend the resin on new characters than artifacts, I just share the artifacts between all the characters, I found the artifacts farming very boring and feel like I never have any progress, while with characters means after 15 - 20 days of farming I'll have a new style of combat. I can spend the same time farming artifacts and have 0 progress thanks to the rng. The doubt I have right now is if we can recycle leveled up echos to level new ones 🤔 I know we need to spend those Tuner things to unlock the substats but if we get a echo with bad substats and we want to try again with a new one I hope we can use the one with the bad substats to level up the new one, or at least recover one or two Turner things.
So you can farm infinitely for main stats but the thing to level up the gear and unlock substats it's timegated? Still far better than G-game system being both TIMEGATED and RNG gated which is dumb af.
Some peeps already reversed engineered the dmg formula of the game, its just genshin/hsr math 2.0 so it shouldn't be too hard to create sheets with all the previous base stuff thats already made, the only problem is that character base stats and stuff seems hard to find on files so we'll only have that info when ppl actually level the characters/weapons up
By reverse engineering, does that mean digging into the game files? Or nah? If it is the first one, I would say that it is impressive how people did that.
Please, make another video about endgame content that there currently is in the game and about gacha in general compared to genshin. Like gacha in genshin I'd say is fine, u don't need character weapon's to have a playable character, u can use fav on everyone or harbinger of dawn lmao. But on the other hand, there's also no endgame. Getting my 2 strong F2P friendly teams and being able to clear every abyss with them ever since has not been fun. Last Epoch's release really made me think if I wanna continue playing Genshin as my main daily game or should I just play games where endgame actually exists and where developers don't just spit in my face "for continuous support".
Most of the set bonus’s for echos aren’t anything super special just dmg bonus. So I think high cost echos will be much better because base crit dmg is 150% so crit rate will be extremely important.
Great to see you covering this game. Just one thing, maybe it's just me but I think it's best to keep Wuthering Waves videos away from being "comparison to Genshin" videos. Just a thought. Subscribing and waiting for more, good luck!
I get it but I think for many genshin players it's interesting to be able to understand reasons that could bring them to start a whole other game, so I like to focalize on this aspect
It is kinda inevitable to compare the systems since the "base" genre and player population at least at launch will be the same. It is usually more "familiar" to speak using genshin as comparison tool because almost everyone do know genshin too
The problem is for gacha games Genshin has set the bar for stuff like this so low it's probably on the negative, so much so that when a game like WuWa brought back something that should've been a default setting it looked like a masterful innovation.
I managed to get into Beta and have been having a BLAST running around killing everything to catch em all. The story hasn’t gotten me into it too much but oh man the combat, exploration, and Pokemon like system is everything i’ve been feeling genshin has been lacking more recently so this is a breath of fresh air for me. Grinding artifacts is boring and takes maximum 5 minutes per day and the rng is terrible, at least even though WuWa is RNG as well I have the choice to farm all the main-stats I want to my hearts content Plus I got Calcharo for my 5* and he is insanely fun and fluid to play, hoping to get Lingyang on release!
idk why genshin gives little to no drop when killing elite enemies. its just stupid. farming artifact in the over world should be the main source and farming in artifact domains just an alternative source if u dont want to waste ur time running around or an additional source if u want to have more artifacts. only then spending resin on domain feels reasonable
yes and you both can get echos together it’s all random tho you could get it while he doesn’t but both of you are able to get echos from the same mob just luck based
@@yuuji8642 no u cant 'farm' u can only do bosses or domains 4 times a day. Thats hardly worth to coop. With the echo system in ww ot seems like u can infinitely farm artifacts but only the substats are stamina gated. Thats actual farming.
This sounds really cool, but it kinda seems like if the echos are the skills you use in battle, what do the characters themselves bring? Are they comprised of just normal attacks, burst and some passives?
like pgr every char have its own gameplay not just spam Q E switch repeat and every chars have unique gameplay not like genshin reskindd model but only E Q new
and how exactly did it fix the Artifact Issue? it's the same thing essentially, having to grind for certain mobs and their substats repeatedly, which will become routine after the honeymoon phase
I think the similarity ends on trying to min-max the sub stats. Echo farming is more fun,rewarding and dynamic than dungeon based-resin capped artifact farming. Sure it is still a grind but a 100% much better grind.
@@ardee9337 yup, it's definitely an upgrade ( not a fix) of the Genshin system in terms of fun and dynamic gameplay; as it incentives exploration and monster collecting is always fun
I wouldn't call it's fix it just that this doesn't require stamina to farm gear unlike other gacha games(does't mean only Genshin) even they old game need stamina to farm those equipment tho there is no rng
there's no way anyone actually thinks this system is good LMFAO gating progress behind spending 18 hours farming a day is insane especially when coupled with the immense layers of rng in the system. i can at least be done in 15 minutes in genshin. imagine spending 6 hours to get nothing.
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Now there's a place where I can go crazy with resin-less behavior!
Without "Anxiety"
we still need to know how often these monsters respawn though.
@@_makoi heard it follow daily reset
Sounds pretty fun!
Yeah its unlimited artifact but you still need to use waveplate/resin to get the substats i mean 13 variety of sub stats but waveplate is 240 unlike genshin
Finally a open world game where killing monsters actually has a point and not just picking flowers and ehem mints when there's nothing to do.
Ehem mints?😅
I mean im fine with collecting mintd as long as we can trade them for the character ascension material. Hopefully they do though 🥹
Just say mint picking 😂
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Mint picker 🤓
I always thought it was super stupid how the only viable way to receive artifacts were locked behind resin, especially with how much rng there is, they should at least drop from enemies or something.
I'm super excited to see where WuWa will go however!
It's to timegate but also keep players playing. They're really sneaky with what they do.
@@Beeeeeewwwwwnot to timegate but because a good chunk of their revenue comes from whales who max refresh everyday
@@pyronado4320 More like both.
@@Beeeeeewwwww Didn't keep me playing, kills my interest when I find out that my character's progression is essentially determined by the game. It wouldn't be such a problem if it weren't for the fact that artifacts play such a major role in your character's performance.
Once I got to a point where the only real combat content is Abyss, I stopped playing as much as I used to.
@@pyronado4320artifact stats increase dmg, so do constellations. most whales i know just gonna c6r5 the newest char and happy with mid ass artifacts bc they never touch the abyss. some enjoys speed running will refresh their resin
if constellations were just solely qol upgrades, mihoyo could force whales to farm too
Were hunting shiny echos with this one 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
😂😂😂
I didn't believe it could be possible after ToF but WW could be the game that makes me cap my resin in Genshin
Also prolly doesn’t help y’all that Genshin still hasn’t increased the cap lol
21h 20 mins for it to fully cap,like, at least make it 180 for 24h @@av_kay5059
@@av_kay5059I don't understand why they haven't done that or increased the limit of the amount of condensed resin to something like 100 already, people are still gonna log in every day to do commissions
@@av_kay5059 And regeneration rate. Genshin's 8 minute per Resin is sooo stupidly slow.
@@BulletSponge71436real. They need to change it so that resin caps after 24 hours not 21. And 200 resin
Hoping for future early team comps predictions/theorycrafting! It looks so interesting so far
If it's like in PGR it should be tank + DPS + buffer/healer comboes, but I don't know how the echoes and everything will influence in that.
@@davidcoso1179 for rn healer/tank is kinda useless because dodge and parry makes it so if you actually get the bosses down you really don’t take dmg.
@@davidcoso1179 and the sim bosses usually end up one shotting you even if they do hit you anyways 😭 i cleared lvl 3 on all of them but not gonna grind further cus beta
@@Tissuestrash sure hope people suck at dodging gonna bring zhongli shield in...Oh wait
Seems team building and tc’ing is significantly less important than skill well at least for PgR. Team bldg in PGR is braindead
Finally some deep detailed explanations. Every video so far has been surface level first impressions which was okay, but I had no idea how anything worked. I like how the monsters are the relics and I can see with future patches the world exploration will be exciting to run into new monsters and new abilities. My only concern is how good each ability is, there’s some great cool characters in gacha games that are just too weak to practically use or they get powercrept by another character I hope echos aren’t this way.
I know the turtle is a meme, but then I never saw it do that shell spinning/flying move at 1:55 which means it’s a bit more dynamic, you can heal while moving / evading which is much cooler than just dancing while standing still. I also see other echos sort of lock you into an animation which if timed incorrectly you can take a lot of damage, I like the idea of the turtle as an emergency evade + heal that’s just cool design.
I hope you cover the swapping mechanic because other people brought up there’s in and out skills that are significant part to combat as well and idk how they exactly work. Great vid keep it up!
Yep I will address the combat but it will take me more time to deeply understand it!
@@TGSWutheringWavesthe game is essentially skill based. So there was no character that will get powercrept. Our MC Rover is recommended and useful because their combat kit and skill sets are simple and easy to understand. You can say him and the free 4 star chars that you will be getting in the main story are considered as starters like pokemon (reference). Once you get the hang on how the combat mechanic works, you're pratically just going to main one of your fav chars instead. Hence, you're free to explore various comboes together with other chars. Do note, the combat will go intense by the time you lvled your world lvl higher as well as the end game contents. Intense as in enemies getting buffed, new movesets that you never seen before, and their agressiveness goes high.
@@luckyshikikan6985It’s very hard to say all that for certain, gacha is still an element in this game and the game is still in its early phase. I’d say every combat game in the beginning can be seen as skill based.
@@luckyshikikan6985i wouldnt write off powercreep so quickly... kuro game's previous game, punishing gray raven, has powercreep as a staple. and while WW doesnt do everything the same way as PGR, it should still be noted.
say what you will about HYV but theyve done an unbelievably great job at keeping older characters relevant. its how tgs mentioned in the xiao vs neuvillette video. xiao is still competitive with 4.x characters 3 years after his release. even someone as similar as chiori doesnt directly powercreep albedo.
@@luckyshikikan6985damn I have MASSIVE skill issue 😂 guess I’ll have to be a meta player to not lose every fight
I'm so glad that you decided to cover WW. I watched quite a few videos about character building but yours is the first that is insightful and gives a clear view of how it works for people who didn't get beta access. Thank you!
So basically, farming main stats are resin-free, while substats do require resin. That's a pretty smart way to tweak the system lmao.. Removing excessive rng layers while still limiting player progression (in a good way). I like it
I'm so glad you're doing TC for WuWa. And I was hoping this game would succeed as a seasoned PGR player but Kuro just blew me away with this Echo system as well as the harder boss challenges and that roguelike mode. Sadly I can only watch streams because I wasn't lucky enough to get into the beta itself.
Btw absolutely love your Genshin work. They're short but very jam packed with every bit of info we need. Keep going king
At least were getting alpha crimson weave soon while waiting for WuWa release 🍿🍿
@@irena4929 I'm so ready for her banner to drop. So excited!
Day 1 Genshin player here [PS5]. Limited spender on Welkin + BP since Sept, 28, 2020. Despite the game's faults, I still never came across any other open world live-service game that could come close to this quality after three years.
Thanks to you I can happily say I was *wrong. Your video here on WuWa changes everything! The way exploration mixes perfectly in w/char builds is ingenious, this could potentially keep every aspect of the game fresh, especially if the devs adds new different monsters in previously explored areas. Now I can't wait to finally play Wuthering Waves!
You sir, got my like + subscription! 🌟
Well... The game is out and i can assure you with a shadow of a doubt that farming echo in wuwa is 10x harder than artifact/relic farming.
Getting main stat is easy.
But the easiness ends there.
EVERYTHING else is painfully hard.
The problem is that the echo is still sort of artifact hell, with just extra steps (grinding them). If we could use +0 echoes as fodder that would be revolutionary, now it's just smoke and mirrors.
Very excited that a detail oriented content creator like you has picked up a (what appears to be) a detailed and exciting new game! Thank you for the hard work! Keep it up!
Congrats on your first Wuthering Waves video. Very informative my guy 🔥👌🏾‼️
Artifact level up Exp items: Let me introduce myself -
But yeah- you still can farm artifacts and level the perfect one so its W
You are SO good at designing thumbnails. Can always rely on you for entertaining content!!
I don't think they solved the Artifact problem. But at least they made farming ECHOs (artifacts) more interesting and fun. Now you have to explore the open world to improve your stats, planning a route, without a Energy limit
Sooooo happy that you are doing this for wuwa !!! Love your content!!!!
not sure if it's mentioned but there's like leylines where you can also get sure pokemons by spending resin. if that also includes those dice for substat then it's actually pretty generous. but iirc only pokemon exp
not sure since i only did it one time.
I forgot to mention it! I would pin this but I haven't got verification to do it on the new channel yet lol
Is that the one they call the tacet field? You know the areas where there's this large yellow sound wave looking mark on the ground?
But man there's so much rng its insanity
Wuwa is truly a masterpiece
Good Video. you are probably the best person to give an objective take on everything
So you farm the artifacts (Echo) in overworld, and the EXP with stamina.
exp and materials with stamina yes
Its free exp for lvling the echo system only if you managed to catch an echo
That system sounds interesting. I also think that the overworld in genshin feels completely detached from the rest of the game. When a new area comes out and I start exploring it, I feel like I'm playing a completely different game. Because 90% of my usual daily genshin experience is commissions, domains, events and the abyss
Well that feeling isn't going to go away with WW, at first it'll feel new and fresh. But once you complete the story then 90% of your playtime in WW will be the daily grind
Watch in a few weeks you gonna hate the the exploration in ww. Coz that remind you those running around the map for 20% echo drop grinding you gonna do everyday.
The grinding on this game gonna be so tedious.
Oh no. I was totally planning on skipping this game, but shiny hunting??? This looks kinda like a more casual monster hunter game which is really appealing to me 😭
the real question is what the monster respawn timer is and how close they are to teleport waypoints
The echo system is terrible for casual players right now.
I kinda like the cost limit for the echoes. It seems like a restriction, but it makes it so all cost Echoes can be valuable, even just to reach the set bonus. If the total cost is 12, you could have your important stats as the 3 or 4 costs and then your less important ones as 1 and 2. In Genshin or HSR, you just want everything as a 5*, so there isn't really a point to use lower rarity pieces once you get far enough. This system is cool.
I just hope they have ways of getting echoes outside of exploration, like as rewards for clearing certain endgame modes or events. That would be great because farming the open world repeatedly would get tiresome. But the combat looks like a lot of fun, so I'm sure for some it will be enjoyable to clear all the monsters out lol
1:56 disco dancing, flying turtle space ship > entire Genshin artifact system
Finally, no more mintpicking
It is really nice to see familiar names in wuwa, subscribed!
Cannot wait to get my hands on this game, the monster hunting and combat look phenomenal. Wish I could’ve gotten into CBT2!
I've watched a few other content creators thoughts of wuwa but my thoughts were always it'll probably be a passing game I play with geshin not really invest too much but the way tgs the described his experience with the game actually has me excited for the release. Not bringing down other creators just saying that his view on the game clicked for me alot more than other
I hope they eventually add a designated channel for boss raids, guild wars or PK.
it's not MMO so i don't think it will be possible
no lol! this isn't an MMO, because mmo+gacha is not really good combo and a lot of players doesn't like mmo because you need a lot of commitment, like time, schedule crap, I've been there played mmo for like 12yrs
I saw people talking about doing shiny hunts in coop so you can increase the chances of getting rare echoes and other people can claim it as well not just host.
"No resin cap"
This sounds too good to be true, will it be like genshin where themonsters only spawn once per day? I hope it does not work that way, but even then that is still really cool, as you could basically farm every echo once a day if there is only 1 of those monsters or more if there are more.
Been waiting for this
It’s not fixed.. upgrading them to reveal substats takes resin.. still rng rolling for tiny tiny chances. What’s the big difference? All you can farm unlimited is main stat.
First Wuthering Waves CC, good luck my guy
Hope they'll add substat selector like their other game PGR (on resonances)
Really good first video so far. This makes me excited for the game. Thanks for covering! I only disagree with the Dragonspine part. That area looks the most ass in Genshin. And WW from what I have seen so far is prettier.
L take the most ass looking place is sumeru dessert not dragonspine
Game will release tomorrow but this 4:05 alone piqued my interest for WuWa. I feel like you're the only channel that pointed that out. other CC just called it WuWa's artifact system in reference to genshin and called it a day. But having the load out option have that much more flexibility is a fresh take on the artifacts/relic equipping system. Genshin's one is more typical for gacha games but this one feels slightly more unique take on it.
i can already see that farming shiny echoes will be like farming 6 star artifacts but we'll see how it goes
hopefully we can reroll main stats and sub stats later on
I can't believe you are making me interested in another gacha... damn it, you better take responsibility by keeping releasing good content!
Farming for substat will be nightmare
WuWa will definitely give a tough competition to genshin
Genshin WILL HAVE to improve to stay on top
Genshin can die after 3 year with no real improvement
Finally, some competition.
Hoyo had gotten too complacent at the top
Yall gotta stop doing this. Nothing will rip genshins fanbase from that game.
Wuwa can do everything right and people will simply use it as a beating stick to threaten genshin to do better.
@@hakumenx1 It's inevitable, genshin fans and genshin haters will make it near-impossible for the game to develop its own identity when it launches, at least until the hype dies down
@@irena4929 Surely it's dying lol
This system takes the Yokai ability concept from Nioh 2, which is ace. Keep it coming TGS!
Wait 7% - 28% CDMG on ONE ROLL?? Not sure how I feel about that. Getting a piece with max rolls on ATK%, ER%, CR%, CDMG% sounds like a nightmare.
EDIT: Oh, and DMG% is a sub too. So even if you get a double CRIT piece with good rolls, it'll still be missing a potential 15 ATK% and 12 DMG%. That seems a bit insane.
Infact the more powerful characters we have the more farming gets faster
Getting unlimited main stats is great, especially with 2 main stats each, but the sub stats ranges are crazy fr, 25% - 100% meaning you can get 4 same stat rolls and it equals 1 lucky roll 😂
I can think of people posting routes for echo farming and then just grind them 24/7. There's no cap on obtaining these, right? Because in Genshin you can kill 400 elites (the ones that drop 200/400/600 Mora and then their materials), then after that you don't get anymore Mora and mats.
If you have any doubts about Mihoyo games and the company's contempt for its player base. Then you should be saving your Gacha budget for Wuthering Waves release. That is what I am doing
I'm honestly liking this system more, I barely farm artifacts in Genshin, I rather spend the resin on new characters than artifacts, I just share the artifacts between all the characters, I found the artifacts farming very boring and feel like I never have any progress, while with characters means after 15 - 20 days of farming I'll have a new style of combat. I can spend the same time farming artifacts and have 0 progress thanks to the rng.
The doubt I have right now is if we can recycle leveled up echos to level new ones 🤔
I know we need to spend those Tuner things to unlock the substats but if we get a echo with bad substats and we want to try again with a new one I hope we can use the one with the bad substats to level up the new one, or at least recover one or two Turner things.
So you can farm infinitely for main stats but the thing to level up the gear and unlock substats it's timegated?
Still far better than G-game system being both TIMEGATED and RNG gated which is dumb af.
Some peeps already reversed engineered the dmg formula of the game, its just genshin/hsr math 2.0 so it shouldn't be too hard to create sheets with all the previous base stuff thats already made, the only problem is that character base stats and stuff seems hard to find on files so we'll only have that info when ppl actually level the characters/weapons up
Yep I have it, but that's not the issue. The true puzzle is how to contextualize the theorycrafting for this game
By reverse engineering, does that mean digging into the game files? Or nah?
If it is the first one, I would say that it is impressive how people did that.
@@popcornpotatoo yeah
I hope withering waves just catches on and blows genshin away.
Please, make another video about endgame content that there currently is in the game and about gacha in general compared to genshin. Like gacha in genshin I'd say is fine, u don't need character weapon's to have a playable character, u can use fav on everyone or harbinger of dawn lmao. But on the other hand, there's also no endgame. Getting my 2 strong F2P friendly teams and being able to clear every abyss with them ever since has not been fun.
Last Epoch's release really made me think if I wanna continue playing Genshin as my main daily game or should I just play games where endgame actually exists and where developers don't just spit in my face "for continuous support".
give it time for the honeymoon to be over.
Most of the set bonus’s for echos aren’t anything super special just dmg bonus. So I think high cost echos will be much better because base crit dmg is 150% so crit rate will be extremely important.
Limit tends to ♾️/♾️ so limit doesn't exists...
Use L'Hopital's rule
He may not be pregnant but he always delivers 🗣🗣🔥
I wish there would've been a lot less rng. Like with Kuro's other game. PGR memories can have very little and even zero rng.
Can wait for the game to comeout. It would be hard for me to not play genshin as I'm a faithful slave of almighty narukami ogosho god of thunder.
how about the level up materials domain? will it also be infinite to farm them since there is no resin cap?
Great to see you covering this game. Just one thing, maybe it's just me but I think it's best to keep Wuthering Waves videos away from being "comparison to Genshin" videos. Just a thought. Subscribing and waiting for more, good luck!
I get it but I think for many genshin players it's interesting to be able to understand reasons that could bring them to start a whole other game, so I like to focalize on this aspect
It is kinda inevitable to compare the systems since the "base" genre and player population at least at launch will be the same. It is usually more "familiar" to speak using genshin as comparison tool because almost everyone do know genshin too
@@TGSWutheringWaves Your channel your rules. Excited to see new WuWa content regardless, food for hype until release.
LES GOOO The WUWA Scientist WUHOOOOOO
Farming the substat thingy using stamina is way way better than farming the echo/artifact
I didn’t realise this was a new channel
No time gate on a mechanic/resource is far from revolutionary
people gonna burnout themselves and WW gonna be reported to chinese goverment for not adding timegate to their game
It is for gatcha
The problem is for gacha games Genshin has set the bar for stuff like this so low it's probably on the negative, so much so that when a game like WuWa brought back something that should've been a default setting it looked like a masterful innovation.
Have you ever heard of story gated with stamina/resin?
I hope they allow us to trade monsters
I managed to get into Beta and have been having a BLAST running around killing everything to catch em all. The story hasn’t gotten me into it too much but oh man the combat, exploration, and Pokemon like system is everything i’ve been feeling genshin has been lacking more recently so this is a breath of fresh air for me. Grinding artifacts is boring and takes maximum 5 minutes per day and the rng is terrible, at least even though WuWa is RNG as well I have the choice to farm all the main-stats I want to my hearts content
Plus I got Calcharo for my 5* and he is insanely fun and fluid to play, hoping to get Lingyang on release!
idk why genshin gives little to no drop when killing elite enemies. its just stupid. farming artifact in the over world should be the main source and farming in artifact domains just an alternative source if u dont want to waste ur time running around or an additional source if u want to have more artifacts. only then spending resin on domain feels reasonable
where is the xp we need to test out hundrets of echos, i am sad
"GUYS"
Cant believe youre not named TWWS 😔😔
anyone know if the open world has coop and u can farm enemies and bosses with ur friends?
yes and you both can get echos together it’s all random tho you could get it while he doesn’t but both of you are able to get echos from the same mob just luck based
@@Tissuestrash lets gooo! that alone makes this game sooo. much better than genshin already for me. thx for the info
@@s-zs7nn you can farm enemies and bosses in Genshin too I dunno how that's any better to you lol
@@yuuji8642 no u cant 'farm' u can only do bosses or domains 4 times a day. Thats hardly worth to coop. With the echo system in ww ot seems like u can infinitely farm artifacts but only the substats are stamina gated. Thats actual farming.
This sounds really cool, but it kinda seems like if the echos are the skills you use in battle, what do the characters themselves bring? Are they comprised of just normal attacks, burst and some passives?
like pgr every char have its own gameplay not just spam Q E switch repeat and every chars have unique gameplay not like genshin reskindd model but only E Q new
This game is a must have !!!! 🎉🎉🎉
Can you salvage levelled up echos you don’t need anymore (whether that be into other echos or another game system)?
Why can't i download wuthering waves?
do you have any plans in the future to start streaming? :D
and how exactly did it fix the Artifact Issue? it's the same thing essentially, having to grind for certain mobs and their substats repeatedly, which will become routine after the honeymoon phase
I think the similarity ends on trying to min-max the sub stats. Echo farming is more fun,rewarding and dynamic than dungeon based-resin capped artifact farming. Sure it is still a grind but a 100% much better grind.
@@ardee9337 yup, it's definitely an upgrade ( not a fix) of the Genshin system in terms of fun and dynamic gameplay; as it incentives exploration and monster collecting is always fun
You lied a 2nd time, its a co-op game. Yes the co-op is optional, but its still there
I like you a new sub :)
I notice that characters have elements. Is there an elemental reaction system like in genshin?
Yes elements, no elemental reactions
This been a thing since the technical test they been addressed this issue. Nothing new.
I’m ready.
HYPE!!!
is the substat reroll-able with the tuner after it has been unlock
You should change the name of the ch. to The Wuthering Scientist lol
I wouldn't call it's fix it just that this doesn't require stamina to farm gear unlike other gacha games(does't mean only Genshin) even they old game need stamina to farm those equipment tho there is no rng
Damn, this didn't age well😂
That 160 of resin in Genshin is a jk... I'm happy WW changed it
No resin, no problem
Big W video!
there's no way anyone actually thinks this system is good LMFAO gating progress behind spending 18 hours farming a day is insane especially when coupled with the immense layers of rng in the system. i can at least be done in 15 minutes in genshin. imagine spending 6 hours to get nothing.
After Genshin, I will never again play an RPG with RNG stats on equipment.
Shouldnt you name this channel "TWS" ?