Lord of the Rings is getting new movies from Warner Brothers who have purchased the rights from Embracer for several years. Sparking mixed opinions at this extremely early time of it's production, I obviously can't judge with such little information, but I think we can tell from the state of Hollywood that they wont be able to match the original trilogy. As Hollywood has values different things to it's audience, can even Peter Jackson provide hope for this? What do you think? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
There's the recent poll about wether or not it was "okay to be white" and the response from different groups. And the US president's equity law that he passed. You're not ever going to get a LOTR film anywhere near the author's vision, from Hollywood, ever.
No. Tolkien’s books are a timeless work of art. Jackson’s movies ARE when they updated Tolkien’s books for a modern audience, the last time. They removed some things and added other things…for a modern audience. You are just accustomed to it, which is exactly how they want you. Boiling like a frog.
@@tinymetaltrees I'm curious what you would point to in terms of the "modern audience" issue with Jackson's trilogy. The largest example I can think of are regarding Arwen, one of which I view as an improvement over following the book while filming (removing Glorfindel) and the other was just... poorly executed (her vision, stealing from Bilbo and being the impetus for Narsil's reforging). The changes to Faramir and Denethor frustrate me (and enrage me, depending on my mood) but I don't see how those are meant to serve a modern audience compared to trying to make changes due to a change in medium. (I'm not trying to say that you are wrong, I'm honestly curious what specific things you would point to.)
@@emhu2594 I wouldn't call the Hobbit trilogy Jackson's. The more behind the scenes information that I've read, the less I blame him for how bad it was. I don't think Jackson was what made the Lord of the Rings trilogy great either, but they belong to him MUCH more than the Hobbit trilogy.
5 years ago, I would have been hesitantly excited. 2 years ago, I would've been sad and not looking forward to it at all. Today, I feel nothing. I have the books and the original trilogy.
We won't get quality media like Peter Jackson's trilogy and the Potter series again unless we all continue to spit out the slop they try to feed us like we did with Rings of Power. Eventually the financial side will get the message and force the changes we need
"I don't understand how someone can come to hate what they once loved" But they don't. They still like what they once loved. Youre just not giving them that. Something it seems hollywood will never understand.
Exactly, I don't understand how he was so dumb. If the new content has nothing to do with the source material or ruins it you won't like it precisely because you love the original. If you care about something you don't like it to be twisted, just continue to make it how it was and with respect, not thinking it was "evil" and needs to be "fixed". Of course, using it to attack the fans or the author of the source material will make it even worse. It is insane to live in an era when you have to explain basic common sense.
Gondor's the villain and Orcs are misunderstood transgender POC "victims of social injustice" fighting "the Patriarchy". Also, Gandalf's an atheist and devout Muslim.
The biggest problem with LOTR is that Tolkien is not here to enforce the accuracy of his stories being told by someone else, so it makes it that much easier for others to corrupt his vision in favour of "THE MESSAGE" . I have zero hope that these will be any good in terms of the Tolkien Universe. I will continue to watch my LOTR DVD's & hope they don't wear out any time soon.
There is no problem with LOTR. Shitty movie 'adaptations' have little to do with LOTR, and only losers even want such adaptations. The books exist, and PJ's trilogy exist for the movie people. Only fools 'want more,' when the best already exists and only shite can be made now
There is no 'Tolkien universe.' Stop talking like a modern id**t. There is no 'problem with LOTR.' Why do you losers always want an 'IP' or 'franchise?' Marvel infected your mind
We're still the SAME audience. They really push that description on ALL of us, though. What 'modern audience' means is the fraction of a percent who whine about things.
Honestly, if I had any confidence in Hollywood, I would have asked for new LOTR movies. So much untapped potential. But at this point I would rather not want to watch the IPs corps get paraded around on a stick anymore. Same with Star Wars
I would be happy to have movies of the Silmarillion and other stories if they even were half as good as the original trilogy. That's perfectly doable, but not in a post modern industry where talent can't flourish.
If you are talking about the announcements, it should be delayed by one - no high expectations on LotR, but then extremely high expectations for the Hobbit, since LotR was so good. LotR announcement: 🤔 Hobbit announcement: 😃 RoP announcement: 🤔--(got worse with every teaser)--> 🤮 Warner announcement: 🤮 --(if PJ is on board)--> 🤔
I'm currently reading a book about Peter Jackson's life and the making of the Lord of The Rings movies and the care they put into choosing the actors is astounding compared to what we're seeing today. That the actors had to look like the characters was a given, they were mainly focused on which actor FELT like the character and embodied the spirit of what Tolkien wrote the most out of the actors that already looked like the character. The amount of stress they put themselves through trying to find the perfect actors obviously paid off, and its crazy to me that modern directors can't even handle the bare minimum of finding an actor that fits the physical characteristics described by the original work.
Ich denke Peter Jackson hat die Bücher von Tolkien in seiner Jugend gelesen und sich in seiner imagination diese wundervolle Welt ausspannen und liebte sie auch insofern war er berechtigt diese Filme zu machen. Amazon Ding ist nur der um Geld zu machen und auf ein erfolgreiches Pferd aufzuspringen. Da war nichts mit Imagination eines ihrer Autoren Die hatten vielmehr nur Anweisungen LGBTQ- Ideen unterzujubeln.
Brilliant commentary. You hit the nail right on the head. I remember JK Rowling's battle about keeping the films true to the world she created. I'm glad she managed. She was still around when the films were being made, which was probably a great advantage. Tolkien is no longer around, and he was posthumously lucky to have someone like Peter Jackson honour his legacy (even if Christopher Lee wasn't happy with some of the decisions made). I think if they make any other LOTR films, it'll be a disaster. I hope they leave it all alone, leave us with the beautiful memory that is Peter Jackson's trilogy.
Exactly, Jackson pretty much stuck the landing the first time, and they won't do better a second time. This is pointless and the message they'll get is people don't care about Middle Earth. Why not do something from the First Age rather than re-tell the same story again?
With the current issues of the woke presentism and Simon Tolkien being head of the Tolkien State I don’t really think something worthwhile can be made, even starting with good intentions.
AI literally wrote the RoP script; I am 100% serious. They don't pay writers anymore; they are way too expensive compared to an AI writing it and a 'editor' going over it making minor adjustments
_"...to be part of a redress of balance..."_ i swear to god, i will never forget those words, lol. the stupidity. the arrogance. the obliviousness. the complete & utter disrespect. i don't think i will ever come across a phrase that so perfectly encapsulates the "modern day" Hollywood-activist thought process. 🙄
Rowling had her sheer will. Jackson had an innate ability to choose the right team to surround himself with. Hopefully (if he is in fact a part of this new project) he can use that same ability and perhaps a little bit of Rowling"s thrown in.
She also retained the rights to her IP and so could veto creative choices she didn't like. Tolkien sold the movie rights in the 1960s to pay his bills, figuring the books would be impossible to adapt to the screen.
This announcement weirdly coincides with me rewatching the LotR Trilogy for the first time in over a decade. I am seeing these films with new eyes and appreciating them with fresh delight. Hearing that Warner Bros. is making new Tolkien material fills me with an exhausted sense of dread, but I honestly don't even care that much. The effort of caring drains too much from my love for these stories. I have the books, I have the original trilogy, that is more than enough for me.
Jackson did have some hurdles to jump through, he had to explain no bombadil, Arwen, and no glorfindel, he explained the changes very respectfully and he even changed things so that it wasn't completely different like cutting arwen out of helms deep.
@@RanMouri82 Fuck yes, more diversity! My favorite parts gonna be when they make Theodan's great grandfather Asian. " Oh Herro, Wercome to Rorhan! Prease". 🥲.....breathtaking cinematography in the making.
I knew Rings of power was going to be bad when they had 5 people sitting on couches, that were all new characters. However, it was funny to see Steve Colbert get visibly pissed on stage while interviewing stars that kept on saying the character they are playing name wrong, to have him correct them, then they would correct him back with a "No, I think it's..." Man, I could not stop laughing. That's like trying to clap back at NDT about Issic Newton.
Kudos for showing love for Stargate. I loved that show. It’s had its highs and lows, but its highs were amazing and there was hardly a weak link in the cast. Even the secondary characters mattered. If you follow the Gateworld TH-cam channel, there’s been chatter that showrunners Glassener and Wright are developing an. SG series for Amazon. Despite it being those two doing it, running it on Amazon doesn’t inspire confidence.
@@davidwells5611 It was a real shame that the Universe went the way it did. I really liked SG-1 and Atlantis but the Universe never got to that level - though early on it seemed to have plenty of promise, it just didn't seem to pay off at any point regardless of the good cast (IMO).
@@WandererRTF Yeah Universe got bogged down explaining it's own concept. But it has something no Stargate fan should ever forget: footage of an MMO that was planned but never finished set in the Stargate universe. Yeah, THAT's the videogame the one guy was playing in the first episode!
I remember back in 2001 when some Tolkien purists bemoaned the changes Jackson made to the movie (the first one--they refused to see the other 2). Funny thinking about that. Ah, the good old days when all we had to do was complain about a few changes that today seem very inconsequential. (though I would have loved to see Bombadil and the barrows.)
The first age War of Beleriand alone could make an incredible movie series if done well. Takes place over 40 years in Silmarilion. Really makes LoTR look like a minor skirmish
I like your thinking, but it was more like over 400 years of strife once the Noldor returned to Beleriand. What an epic that could be - in the right hands.
As a huge fan of both the books and Peter Jackson films; they should not make these films in any case. JRR Tolkien didn't want his work being turned into franchises by corporations. He didnt even want films being made of his work because he knew that the medium couldn't possibly capture his mythological European and religiously Catholic vision. Even the Peter Jackson films, to an extent, still betrayed Tolkien's views to some extent even if it stayed true in the best essence a film could. Another thing to consider is that the Peter Jackson films were made in a different political and cultural climate to now. The Medieval mindset and virtues of Tolkien does not align with the modern climate. Whilst Jackson could mostly get away with it 20 years ago, he couldn't now. He couldn't get away with casting an entirely white cast to play peoples of Middle Earth, he couldn't get away with depicting traditional gender roles, he wouldn't get away with an absolute standard of good and evil.
@@crimsonthumos3905 By this logic we shouldn't be making period pieces either. We could not, for example, make a movie or series about Shaka Zulu without including three actors of each ethnicity in every scene. Also Shaka would have to be pansexual and at least one of his kids would have to use plural pronouns.
Look at the new Hogwarts game. It's _supposed_ to be in 19th century rural England, but has WAY too many people who obviously aren't English, didn't live in England then, and even a surprising number that publicly act in ways that would not be acceptable to people of that era. That's what you're up against. Cultural vandalism.
“Honor the past” means they will name it LOR. “Look towards the future” means a deep and stunningly brave story into Gollum’s relationship with his fish.
George r.r martin "as a writer you'd go crazy if you didn't change it" "how can you grow to hate what you once loved?" Well mr martin, we dont hate the thing we once loved. Someone took the title of the thing we loved, painted over it, with feces, and told us ut was chocolate covered.
Dropping truth bombs left and right in this vid! If they do make another lord of the rings movie.... honestly I'll probably wait until you watch it first my man. I don't think I could take another viewing like Rings of Power, it crushed my soul
I had a friend ask me to watch it with her just to make fun of and I told her I would rather hike a ten mile trail that goes uphill. I told she would far better material watching spoofs making fun of RoP
"Look to the future" - means that a committee will decide what's acceptable. There'll be sensitivity experts pouring over the script, there'll be diversity experts ensuring that all races and various genders or non-genders are represented.
I'm in agreement, in the current environment in hollywood, there is no way to create another LOTR movie series that will come close to equalling the quality of the Jackson series. Even if Peter Jackson was back onboard, doing the same role, as he has had his success with LOTR, and will never be as hungry as he was then.
Diversity in Tolkien's world has already been discussed. Don't just add all ethnicity in one town, focus on people from different regions (like men from the east). If women fighting was the exception not the norm, just dont do it (lack of warrior women actually had major significance of the story in Eowyn). If sexuality is not part of story don't add.
Don't really care what DNA the actors have. None of them are dwarves or elves or orcs anyway. Maybe they don't even have DNA and so skin, hair and eye color is random in their kind. Who cares? It doesn't affect the plot one bit. But I do need the story to be good, and it wasn't. The over arching story of Tolkien's Second Age is that power corrupts, especially among men. Even the noble Numenoreans eventually fall prey to Sauron's long game. What we got in ROP was a multi-century revenge story - and not even a convincing one. I think we see Finrod on screen for maybe one minute total in just the first episode. We never get any flashbacks later on, reminding us what is spurring on Galadriel, and therefore the overall narrative. We really have no idea why she loved her brother so much. Sauron is even worse in this regard. He seems to have no agency or motivations at all. He just tags along with Galadriel wherever she goes because reasons. He's the most random character in the whole show. He should be subtly manipulative but instead is completely passive.
Literal dwarves, elves, and orcs, and they act like there's no diversity. Literal different races are present, instead of different skin colored people, but no, no diversity. Its just like the pogroms on the dwarves and elves on the Witcher, yet, to tackle racism they just slap some uncanonical black people into the show. Instead of showing true horrors of racism, they try to feed everyone candy and act like racism doesn't exist and as if it will ever actually go away.
@@centerfield6339 Sure visuals are a thing and the few good comments ROP tends to get are that its visuals are impressive. We have to accept that 21st century human beings will be playing fantasy beings from long ago. The alternative is more CGI and I'm glad they did not go that route. What about the show was visually jarring? That everyone had all their teeth, too much fat on their bones and smooth instead of pock marked skin? Again, we only have 21st century human beings here to work with. IMHO, nitpickiness over the visuals takes a huge backseat to the many plot holes.
@@gunkulator1 fair point, but I think those things aren't so jarring because we forget they were a thing. A small tribe of people all of different races is.
I'm so sick of being disappointed, I've all but stopped watching movies and TV shows anymore. I don't dare hope that these new movies will be any good, or reflect Tolkien's world. The RoP team ghosted Peter Jackson when he wanted to see the script. They wanted him onboard for his good name, not his vision. So they gambled. They contacted him in the hopes that he would just say yes, but when he didn't they shut him out. They had probably seen the interview where he states that it's TOLKIEN's vision that's important, not theirs, and they knew he wouldn't back down. In retrospect, Peter Jackson should be happy he got ghosted, because his good name would've been ruined forever had he been credited as Executive Producer or even Advisor. Which brings me to the present. If PJ agrees to do these movies, he needs a lawyer to write 100p stipulation that guarantees his absolute autonomy and final say in EVERYTHING. If WB truly want money, and get fans excited, they will do this. That being said... I'll dare be excited when I hear THAT. Otherwise, fuck those movies. Woke trash, strong girl bosses among bumbling idiot men and beta cowards, brown people where there should be none, race swapping, gender swapping, and transgender wheelchair bound midget gay romances. No thanks. (And just to add further context into this ramble, I'm gay myself.)
@@Garoslol technically rop isn't even a part of the franchise. It's so distorted, that the only things equal to the books were some names and the talk about rings.
I sincerely hate everything about the words diversity and inclusion and what they stand for, now. It also makes my blood boil when I listen to all the promotion interviews for the Rings of Power. My heart fell when I heard about a new LoTR. I have very low expectations about everything. The only thing that would get me to the theatre would be Tom Cruise and maybe small films that I have heard are good from reviewers I trust. The last film I saw was Operation: Fortune from Guy Richie. It was fun. And I saw the Menu and I liked it. Loved the video.
If Jackson were around they would still be fucked up, filmmakers do not have artistic licence anymore. The films must satisfy political criteria, there is a reason why China's movies are all rubbish, political criteria and the West's are too. I watch Korean tv and film and for the moment they have produced the very best there is in terms of tv.
@@spiderknight9893 Didn't you read what the OP said? It's time. The Hobbit trilogy was a scrap he compiled from another director after it was abandoned and he was rushed to finish the same. Still he managed to deliver a decent one. You'd rather have the ROP team to do them instead isn't it?
It would be better but only if they were able to obtain the rights to The Silmarillion. You can't really tell the story of the Second Age without telling the story of the First.
IF they were able to get the rights to the first age content via Silmarillion or Children of Hurin, put Tolkien's vision foremost in their minds, and use modern technology for effects (I better see Avatar quality with Northman story quality) I MIGHT give them money...
Silmarilion has plenty of great individual stories...but i am afraid not enough content for Jackson-length movies... That being said, "trilogy" could be made...first movie focusing on Beren, second on Turin and third one focusing on Tuor (my favourite of all Edain heroes).
@@iz9744 Actually, IMHO the Beren/Luthien story is so complex, involves so many locations and events, covers so much of the history and requires so many callbacks to so many other stories that to tell it well and at a reasonable pace could easily require two if not three movies. The Turin story has a natural break in the middle. The Tuor story should really be folded in as a prequel to a trilogy about Earendil/Elwing and the birth of Elrond/Elros (and I agree about Tuor, could I be someone in Middle Earth, it would be him).
Brad Dourif (Wormtongue) is American and I saw an interview with him where he was talking about having to do a British accent, while being surrounded by Brits. I would be nervous AF having to do that.
Right...because this was such a great idea the last time Warner Bros. did this with the Hobbit. Not even Peter Jackson was able to make those movies any better then "passable". The passion wasn't there, he knew what it was, so did most of the cast. I don't believe for a second any new movies will be as good as the OG series, even more so now that mandatory diversity is a thing. Cue Gonder and Rohan looking like San Francisco. Thankfully Smell-o-vision anymore so we don't have to smell it either.
"Honor the past but look towards the future" This is pretty much how Ringalingdings of Gurl Power was also marketed before it came out... and look at it now. I don't hold out too much hope for WB's LotR reboot. But hey, when you're expecting the absolute worst you can only be pleasantly surprised. I expected Hogwarts Legacy to be a mediocre mess of bugs and unfinished content banking on outrage marketing to make a quick cash grab, but look what came out. Maybe this new LotR thing will end up being surprisingly good too.
In the words of the late George Carlin:"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." Fans once idealized the Middle Earth because Tolkien and Peter Jackson delivered the ideal that has won their fans in the 1st place. But unfortunately it's shows like Rings of Power and Star Trek: Discovery(hijacking off another longstanding franchise) that crushed the hopes such ideals from being a reality(at least for now), and it's understandable why fans have become so cynical after being burned so badly!
As a kids/family movie, the Hobbit trilogy is okay. It is comedic and you never really fear that the quest will end in failure, because this kind of movie never ends that way. It has barely any drama, except at the end, and drama is a requirement for any non-comedy movie for adults. The LOTR trilogy is the opposite: every little thing has a hidden meaning because it was taken directly from Tolkien. You could watch Fellowship (the best in the trilogy) five times and still not have catch all the little details. Plus, as you grow as a person in the real world, the more you take from that movie every time you re-watch, for example, when you learn which real world people/location Tolkien intended the Hobbits and the Shire to represent. So just don't compare the two trilogies, and we will be fine. They were made for different audiences and for different moods.
Have you seen the Kit Kat adverts they're showing here in the UK? Made to tie in and promote Rings of Power, but they started showing them months after the show ended, and the only clips of the show itself are 2 shots of the army riding in horseback with no closeup shots of Galadriel or any lead actors at all! 🤣
So WB has the rights? Is this why watching LotRs and the Hobbit isn't free on Prime anymore? Good, but now I need to move my DVD player. Edit: I don't want my favorite franchise to die, I want corporations to keep their hands off of them.
The saddest thing is J.K.Rowling herself was able to fight to have her story be hers. But LOTR doesn’t have Tolkien to fight for it, only making it more difficult for Peter Jackson and other saving graces to make something as beautiful and Tolkien worthy as the original Lord of the Rings movies. (Though I must say I do like the thought of J.R.R.Tolkien going ballistic on the director of Rings of power)
Sorry for them, my trust has been stomped on enough. I for one will not be paying money to go see it. Not unless reviewers like you and some others I respect rave about how good it is. Otherwise, I'll just wait to it shows up on some old rerun channel. So done with do-over remakes.
You are definitely right about lack of respect towards the source material runining beloved film franchises. It's not that Middle Earth does not have potential (it certainly does), but the mind behind bringing any story within it to life is very important. When these news were announced, instead of getting excited, all I've felt is dread and said to myself "oh god, not again" specially to LOTR, which has been very dear to me since childhood. Even with the possibility of jackson and his team getting involved, its hard to have even a little hope and optimism, because even if they hire him, there will be no guarantees that they will let him have full creative power over any movies he might make and that is just how the corporate movie making climate is these days. So...not holding my breath for this one untill I'll see hard evidence that proves to the contrary.
I welcome another take on The Lord of the Rings - but one that would be a bit longer, either via movies or a tv series, and would have time to provide more detail from the books. I'd like to see the cultural and historical differences between Rohan and Gondor displayed, the Scouring of the Shire, things like that. It may be unrealistic but dreaming of it makes me happy.
Remember Jackson had everything laid out before him with the success of the original trilogy and the lesser success of The Hobbit movies. The stories are told and the tracks are laid out. His great achievement was his determination to adhere so closely to those tracks and getting the right people in to pull it off. Taking on the largely undefined material restricted by the copyright laws is an entirely different animal.
Disparu, people think I'm jumping to conclusions and being overly negative about the release of new LoTR content. You perfectly summed up why, particularly in this modern age, I don't want new cinematic LoTR content and definitely not a MECU (Middle-Earth Cinematic Universe). They are going to water down this franchise and turn it into something it's not.
19:21 This goes as far back as 2001 as explained in the video. Movies making billions of dollars weren't exactly common before the MCU. Ironically (because DC) it's essentially like Gordon said in the ending of Batman Begins about escalation...doubly ironic, sort of, since the same actor was also in the Harry Potter movies.
Love your opinions, think you're spot on. I'm curious what the shows are that you go to for actual quality. Would love to see you break down what makes it good!
"Could that destroy the rings of power" To be able to destroy something implies that something existed in the first place. Nobody cares for them and/or hates them. There is nothing to destroy
Exactly what I thought. It's 2023... even if Peter Jackson gets to direct everything again, it's a different world now. Because of certain rules, you are NOT ALLOWED to direct movies by following the books, because of "diversity" and "representation". Not even Peter Jackson can change that, because he can't fight that many people, and also, he'd risk his whole carreer and reputation that.
Aragorn is a lesbian, Legolas and Gimli are gay for each other, Gandalf is a perfect woman and since Hollywood loves their helmet reveals..... Sauron is a woman.
I can’t imagine a Harry Potter film series with American actors playing the characters. Tom Cruise as Severus Snape? Bruce Willis as Albus Dumbledore? John Goodman as Hagrid? I shiver at the horror.
14:05 no one loved rings of power. we cant hate something we loved when we never loved a monster wearing the face of Tolkien. we love Tolkien, and wont accept anything lessor!
Lord of the Rings is a weird one for me, similar to Star Wars: the original creator isn't around anymore (even though still alive in the case of George Lucas), and Descendants keep messing it up. I still love both worlds, just not the stuff they are creating recently. By the way, working on a colab between Star Wars and LotR: a lego model of "Minas Ashla, the White City", combining the phenomenal model of Minas Tirith from LotR with a Jedi Temple and Jedi Crusaders.
I will try and write Peter Jackson a letter. Never do this kind of stuff, but I just need to say my piece regarding the potential for new LotR movies and him and the girls being involved. It may be a drop of water on a raging fire, but you gotta try.
I've seen too much premature celebration. THIS, is the appropriate voice of skepticism. "The Lord of the Rings"? They were novels once, taken by the dark powers...
Two thoughts (as an American). 1. I do a bunch of dead-on British, Irish, Scottish, Welsh accents. I've spoken with people from those places with my accents, and they asked me what part of _____ I grew up in. 2. I am very proud of Rowling for her "British Only" rule. There is NOTHING wrong with being proud of your culture and there is definitely nothing wrong with wanting people to adapt your work in an authentic way.
You make a mistake in your first sentence mate. Scottish and Welsh accents (and Northern Irish) are British accents. When you said "British" you meant "English", which has a lot of very different accents but they are all British too.
Speaking of British actors, somehow Sophia Nomvete (i don't care if I got her name wrong) made me hate the british accent, which I've always liked and even used to give me a sense that british actors are in general better than the american ones. But man, every time she opens her mouth I bleed through my ears. As for the new LOTR movies, I hope it fails spectacularly, for I don't want orcs in charge of Tokien's works anymore. I believe that ROP hit rock bottom, but they always can dig deeper.
I have to say your a very good analyst and Reviewer, You pick up on reading between the lines and coming up with a on point prospective, A rare talent these Days, Well done young Man keep it up,…
As with most things, I'll just wait how they turn out, if they ever are released. Tolkien's work is timeless. The LotR movies by Jackson is propably one of the best adaptations of a book to the big screen you can get. Some changes have to be made so that the movie itself works and isn`t way to long, but in terms of characters, story, arcs and feel - those are very close to the book. It is represented in a good way I'd say. Getting something similar is not an easy task. Getting something similar in "current hollywood" might be nearly impossible. Prove me wrong, I dare you.
I disagree with Jackson's films having characters who are close to the books. To one degree or another almost every character's personality was changed.
If Hollywood took a popular story from Asia, China, or South America, and completely changed the lore, backstory, etc…they would viciously be called out for cultural appropriation; but when they do it with a story that was specifically designed to create mythos and folklore for those in the UK who had been in constant war for centuries and lost much of their folklore and oral tradition, it is apparently business as usual.
This is a great video. Really shows how even George Martin or doesn't see or pretend he don't see the Agenda or THE MESSAGE (We all know how he feels about cringe progressive ideals)
The only way I see Peter Jackson signing on is if they give him total creative control. Amazon just ghosted him and actually fired (rumored) Tolkien scholar Tom Shippey. Probably because he disagreed with that total bastardization of Tolkien's work. They need to sign him on and listen to him.
There's a theory out there that ROP's scrip was partly or largely AI generated, which explains so much of the strangeness in it. TH-camr Land of Light did an excellent video on it.
Tbh, I can't really see that. A lot of the writing follows very consistent issues that you'd expect from massively inexperienced writers. The follow up question would be why a multi billion dollar project was hiring inexperienced writers, but I'm just gonna assume nepotism or someone pulling the strings. Not like good writers would have fixed the issue of amazon's draconian rules snuffing out the vast majority of the creative potential.
I don't see it either. Reasoning: the money Amazon would pay for software engineers to create such AI would be way more then the money for hiring even the best writers in the business
New Middle Earth movies won't be in direct competition with Rings of Power. It won't even exist by the time the movies get released. Season 2 will most likely be the last. 3 at most.
@Disparu, you should do a video on the top non-english shows you recommend. I'm starved for content (Western media sucks) but I don't know where else to go.
Can't wait to see lesbian orcs, Asian trans Balrog, Mary Sue hobbit barbarian, Gender Queer goblin politician, and a vilain and evil rich white hetero man. So hyped!!!!
"Hopefully the next franchise you destroy is something I don't care about." And that is the reason why they win, when we exclude certain franchises from being recognized as under attack, just because you might not personally like it or it didn't hit the hot button topic you might be obsessed with. I thought we could all speak out as one voice at one time, but turns out a lot of people have their own little camps and tribes. Whine about their favorite franchise one day, financially support the ruination of yours the next...
Lord of the Rings is getting new movies from Warner Brothers who have purchased the rights from Embracer for several years. Sparking mixed opinions at this extremely early time of it's production, I obviously can't judge with such little information, but I think we can tell from the state of Hollywood that they wont be able to match the original trilogy. As Hollywood has values different things to it's audience, can even Peter Jackson provide hope for this? What do you think? Let me know your thoughts down below and as always, thanks for watching :)
Can’t get worse or I’ll be impressed
Or they could, ya know, stop doing this. I have The LotR trilogy, extended. I'm good.
100% with this video. It's one of the things I've been screaming about in regards to hogwarts legacy which is distinctly not British.
There's the recent poll about wether or not it was "okay to be white" and the response from different groups.
And the US president's equity law that he passed. You're not ever going to get a LOTR film anywhere near the author's vision, from Hollywood, ever.
@Grassdancer yeah
The Jackson trilogy is a timeless work of art. It doesn’t need to be “updated” for a “modern audience”.
No. Tolkien’s books are a timeless work of art. Jackson’s movies ARE when they updated Tolkien’s books for a modern audience, the last time. They removed some things and added other things…for a modern audience. You are just accustomed to it, which is exactly how they want you. Boiling like a frog.
@@tinymetaltrees I'm curious what you would point to in terms of the "modern audience" issue with Jackson's trilogy. The largest example I can think of are regarding Arwen, one of which I view as an improvement over following the book while filming (removing Glorfindel) and the other was just... poorly executed (her vision, stealing from Bilbo and being the impetus for Narsil's reforging).
The changes to Faramir and Denethor frustrate me (and enrage me, depending on my mood) but I don't see how those are meant to serve a modern audience compared to trying to make changes due to a change in medium.
(I'm not trying to say that you are wrong, I'm honestly curious what specific things you would point to.)
Lotr, but everyone's got TikTok on their Palantirs ^^
So you're forgetting about that hobbit trilogy I assume. jackson spoiled his legacy there.
@@emhu2594 I wouldn't call the Hobbit trilogy Jackson's. The more behind the scenes information that I've read, the less I blame him for how bad it was. I don't think Jackson was what made the Lord of the Rings trilogy great either, but they belong to him MUCH more than the Hobbit trilogy.
5 years ago, I would have been hesitantly excited. 2 years ago, I would've been sad and not looking forward to it at all. Today, I feel nothing. I have the books and the original trilogy.
Same! Even the time frame lol
Read the books, everything else is nonsense
Same.
I love Tolkien's books and I love the goosebumps the first Peter Jackson trilogy gave me.
There is no need for it except money for them, the films have already been made.
We won't get quality media like Peter Jackson's trilogy and the Potter series again unless we all continue to spit out the slop they try to feed us like we did with Rings of Power. Eventually the financial side will get the message and force the changes we need
"I don't understand how someone can come to hate what they once loved"
But they don't. They still like what they once loved. Youre just not giving them that. Something it seems hollywood will never understand.
GRRM was completely ignorant in that interview. The name on the front means NOTHING if the contents have been gutted.
@@TheAmazingBoogeyMan Agreed. That, to me, was just one more reason to for being mad at GRRM.
Exactly, I don't understand how he was so dumb. If the new content has nothing to do with the source material or ruins it you won't like it precisely because you love the original. If you care about something you don't like it to be twisted, just continue to make it how it was and with respect, not thinking it was "evil" and needs to be "fixed". Of course, using it to attack the fans or the author of the source material will make it even worse. It is insane to live in an era when you have to explain basic common sense.
You should know George. Your HBO show *did it* George
Learning requires humility and the capacity for self-reflection, two traits the entertainment industry lacks.
"we dont trust you any more" well spoken...i agree 100 %
Who would have ever trusted these people? If youre illiterate I could see an excuse
Lotr was put on the big screen once upon a time and it is timeless. Maaaaybeeee it could happen again?
@@georgechapman9688
Not with Hollywood being “woke.”
"It is their job to create problems."
Perfect description of most modern activists.
Tell me 2 years ago that there would be new LOTR movies I would be over the moon, now I’m like oh God how are they gonna screw this up
right?
Guyladrial..
But as a strong and brave trans dwarf with a thick Scottish accent who never goes a day without a shave.
And her husband… Simpface.
Gondor's the villain and Orcs are misunderstood transgender POC "victims of social injustice" fighting "the Patriarchy". Also, Gandalf's an atheist and devout Muslim.
They’d have screwed it up two years ago, too.
My expectaions are lower than the pit the balrog climbed out of, literally anything will be an improvement.
hold your horses there buddy. they could still make it way way WAY worse than what we have seen so far. don't give them ideas.
If you recall, that pit was so deep that it ended up on top of a mountain...
Just read the books, everything else is garbage.
I got 4 words for you. LotR: Eisengard High School. The prom episode will kill your faith in humanity.
Legolas: humming the "they're taking the Hobbits to Eisengart" melody 🎶🎶🎶
The biggest problem with LOTR is that Tolkien is not here to enforce the accuracy of his stories being told by someone else, so it makes it that much easier for others to corrupt his vision in favour of "THE MESSAGE" . I have zero hope that these will be any good in terms of the Tolkien Universe. I will continue to watch my LOTR DVD's & hope they don't wear out any time soon.
I read "THE MESSAGE" in The Critical Drinkers voice lol
You're wrong, he is here...through his words, read the books, dont look for some ungodly retelling of a story that we all love
There is no problem with LOTR. Shitty movie 'adaptations' have little to do with LOTR, and only losers even want such adaptations. The books exist, and PJ's trilogy exist for the movie people. Only fools 'want more,' when the best already exists and only shite can be made now
There is no 'Tolkien universe.' Stop talking like a modern id**t. There is no 'problem with LOTR.' Why do you losers always want an 'IP' or 'franchise?' Marvel infected your mind
Okay but Tolkien probably wouldn't have liked PJ's trilogy. His son didn't and I think he knew what his dad would have appreciated.
We're still the SAME audience. They really push that description on ALL of us, though. What 'modern audience' means is the fraction of a percent who whine about things.
Honestly who asked for new LOTR? The PJ trilogy is what we have as a legacy, a good and honest one. Great analysis Disparu, as always.
Honestly, if I had any confidence in Hollywood, I would have asked for new LOTR movies. So much untapped potential. But at this point I would rather not want to watch the IPs corps get paraded around on a stick anymore.
Same with Star Wars
I would be happy to have movies of the Silmarillion and other stories if they even were half as good as the original trilogy. That's perfectly doable, but not in a post modern industry where talent can't flourish.
LotR announcement: 😃
Hobbit announcement: 🤔
RoP announcement: 🤮
Warner announcement: 💨
If you are talking about the announcements, it should be delayed by one - no high expectations on LotR, but then extremely high expectations for the Hobbit, since LotR was so good.
LotR announcement: 🤔
Hobbit announcement: 😃
RoP announcement: 🤔--(got worse with every teaser)--> 🤮
Warner announcement: 🤮 --(if PJ is on board)--> 🤔
If PJ was involved, I wonder if he'd just give in and change everything to suit "modern audiences".
I'm currently reading a book about Peter Jackson's life and the making of the Lord of The Rings movies and the care they put into choosing the actors is astounding compared to what we're seeing today. That the actors had to look like the characters was a given, they were mainly focused on which actor FELT like the character and embodied the spirit of what Tolkien wrote the most out of the actors that already looked like the character. The amount of stress they put themselves through trying to find the perfect actors obviously paid off, and its crazy to me that modern directors can't even handle the bare minimum of finding an actor that fits the physical characteristics described by the original work.
Ich denke Peter Jackson hat die Bücher von Tolkien in seiner Jugend gelesen und sich in seiner imagination diese wundervolle Welt ausspannen und liebte sie auch insofern war er berechtigt diese Filme zu machen.
Amazon Ding ist nur der um Geld zu machen und auf ein erfolgreiches Pferd aufzuspringen.
Da war nichts mit Imagination eines ihrer Autoren
Die hatten vielmehr nur Anweisungen LGBTQ- Ideen unterzujubeln.
Brilliant commentary. You hit the nail right on the head. I remember JK Rowling's battle about keeping the films true to the world she created. I'm glad she managed. She was still around when the films were being made, which was probably a great advantage. Tolkien is no longer around, and he was posthumously lucky to have someone like Peter Jackson honour his legacy (even if Christopher Lee wasn't happy with some of the decisions made). I think if they make any other LOTR films, it'll be a disaster. I hope they leave it all alone, leave us with the beautiful memory that is Peter Jackson's trilogy.
Exactly, Jackson pretty much stuck the landing the first time, and they won't do better a second time. This is pointless and the message they'll get is people don't care about Middle Earth. Why not do something from the First Age rather than re-tell the same story again?
No, it's the beautiful memory of the books...everything else is inconsequential
wait what? leave us with the beautiful memory that is Peter Jackson's trilogy?? what do u mean? This is not a remake of lotr (2000s)
With the current issues of the woke presentism and Simon Tolkien being head of the Tolkien State I don’t really think something worthwhile can be made, even starting with good intentions.
Peter Jackson did the hobbit movies. He should not have anything to do with Lord of the rings.
We saw the talent of today's writers with RoP, so I won't hold my breath for LoTRs even if Jackson comes back.
AI literally wrote the RoP script; I am 100% serious. They don't pay writers anymore; they are way too expensive compared to an AI writing it and a 'editor' going over it making minor adjustments
@@pyropulseIXXI An AI would probably been more coherent and less pretentious.
_"...to be part of a redress of balance..."_
i swear to god, i will never forget those words, lol.
the stupidity.
the arrogance.
the obliviousness.
the complete & utter disrespect.
i don't think i will ever come across a phrase that so perfectly encapsulates the "modern day" Hollywood-activist thought process. 🙄
Didn't even know there was an imbalance in LOTR to begin with, wtf is this idiot on about when saying that??
Rowling had her sheer will. Jackson had an innate ability to choose the right team to surround himself with. Hopefully (if he is in fact a part of this new project) he can use that same ability and perhaps a little bit of Rowling"s thrown in.
She also retained the rights to her IP and so could veto creative choices she didn't like. Tolkien sold the movie rights in the 1960s to pay his bills, figuring the books would be impossible to adapt to the screen.
How dare you mention that evil banshee.
/s
This announcement weirdly coincides with me rewatching the LotR Trilogy for the first time in over a decade. I am seeing these films with new eyes and appreciating them with fresh delight. Hearing that Warner Bros. is making new Tolkien material fills me with an exhausted sense of dread, but I honestly don't even care that much. The effort of caring drains too much from my love for these stories. I have the books, I have the original trilogy, that is more than enough for me.
I'll stick with the books, thanks. There is no-one I trust to bring Tolkien to the screen.
Exactly. I love the PJ films, but they still betray Tolkien's views and vision in many ways
Jackson did have some hurdles to jump through, he had to explain no bombadil, Arwen, and no glorfindel, he explained the changes very respectfully and he even changed things so that it wasn't completely different like cutting arwen out of helms deep.
I heard the executives almost forced him to kill off one of the hobbits because they were too many.
Also the changes of Aragorn's character being one of an authoritative Christ-like figure of prophecy, into a more humanised flawed character
Now they will insist he changes male characters to female, bring in random black dwarves, and all other forms of woke representation. 🙄
@@RanMouri82 Fuck yes, more diversity! My favorite parts gonna be when they make Theodan's great grandfather Asian. " Oh Herro, Wercome to Rorhan! Prease". 🥲.....breathtaking cinematography in the making.
Tom Bombadil is not even important to the plot and story. I am glad it was left out.
I knew Rings of power was going to be bad when they had 5 people sitting on couches, that were all new characters. However, it was funny to see Steve Colbert get visibly pissed on stage while interviewing stars that kept on saying the character they are playing name wrong, to have him correct them, then they would correct him back with a "No, I think it's..." Man, I could not stop laughing. That's like trying to clap back at NDT about Issic Newton.
Kudos for showing love for Stargate. I loved that show. It’s had its highs and lows, but its highs were amazing and there was hardly a weak link in the cast. Even the secondary characters mattered. If you follow the Gateworld TH-cam channel, there’s been chatter that showrunners Glassener and Wright are developing an. SG series for Amazon. Despite it being those two doing it, running it on Amazon doesn’t inspire confidence.
I enjoyed SG-1. But I think that should've been as far as Stargate went. Too many spin-offs.
@@timothymarzelli3874 Atlantis was enjoyable. Wasn't keen on the CW teen drama that was Universe.
@@davidwells5611 It was a real shame that the Universe went the way it did. I really liked SG-1 and Atlantis but the Universe never got to that level - though early on it seemed to have plenty of promise, it just didn't seem to pay off at any point regardless of the good cast (IMO).
@@WandererRTF Yeah Universe got bogged down explaining it's own concept. But it has something no Stargate fan should ever forget: footage of an MMO that was planned but never finished set in the Stargate universe. Yeah, THAT's the videogame the one guy was playing in the first episode!
Yeah I don't think anyone really liked Universe..
I miss SG1 greatly..
Atlantas was.. decent.. it had its downs for sure. But I'd watch it again.
I have zero faith that these movies will do Tolkien justice. My expectations are non-existent.
The Adventures of Imafag son of Yerafag, Sphinqterwhole, Isaqueen’s heir. Can’t wait
🤣
I remember back in 2001 when some Tolkien purists bemoaned the changes Jackson made to the movie (the first one--they refused to see the other 2). Funny thinking about that. Ah, the good old days when all we had to do was complain about a few changes that today seem very inconsequential. (though I would have loved to see Bombadil and the barrows.)
The first age War of Beleriand alone could make an incredible movie series if done well. Takes place over 40 years in Silmarilion. Really makes LoTR look like a minor skirmish
I like your thinking, but it was more like over 400 years of strife once the Noldor returned to Beleriand. What an epic that could be - in the right hands.
They would never do that, too little talking for those self important "actors"
They can't do it no one has the rights to the Silmarillion. They can only do 3rd age stuff.
War of wrath would be a great series itself.
Good point about Jackson “being allowed” to make what he wants to make. Even if he’s in charge, his entire staff would be hostile to him.
As a huge fan of both the books and Peter Jackson films; they should not make these films in any case. JRR Tolkien didn't want his work being turned into franchises by corporations. He didnt even want films being made of his work because he knew that the medium couldn't possibly capture his mythological European and religiously Catholic vision. Even the Peter Jackson films, to an extent, still betrayed Tolkien's views to some extent even if it stayed true in the best essence a film could.
Another thing to consider is that the Peter Jackson films were made in a different political and cultural climate to now. The Medieval mindset and virtues of Tolkien does not align with the modern climate. Whilst Jackson could mostly get away with it 20 years ago, he couldn't now.
He couldn't get away with casting an entirely white cast to play peoples of Middle Earth, he couldn't get away with depicting traditional gender roles, he wouldn't get away with an absolute standard of good and evil.
@@crimsonthumos3905 By this logic we shouldn't be making period pieces either. We could not, for example, make a movie or series about Shaka Zulu without including three actors of each ethnicity in every scene. Also Shaka would have to be pansexual and at least one of his kids would have to use plural pronouns.
Can't wait for Morfydd Clark to reprise her, uh, unique take on Galadriel. 😄
Thats Disney evil!
Well film(s) will need a villain.
Look at the new Hogwarts game. It's _supposed_ to be in 19th century rural England, but has WAY too many people who obviously aren't English, didn't live in England then, and even a surprising number that publicly act in ways that would not be acceptable to people of that era. That's what you're up against. Cultural vandalism.
“Honor the past” means they will name it LOR. “Look towards the future” means a deep and stunningly brave story into Gollum’s relationship with his fish.
😂😂😂😂
Oh damn that was a good one 😂
Are you stupid? They would never dare to put the spotlight on a white guy
I was literally 5 seconds into the video, when you said WB will make new lotr movies and I audibly went 'oh no' in despair.
Hmm. Are they going to be reimagining it for a modern audience?
Yknow like comparing the three iterations of "the Equalizer"
Go Edward Woodward.
That would have lasted a lot longer if he didn't have a heart attack while they were filming.
Not a chance they'll get it right. Agree with you.
George r.r martin "as a writer you'd go crazy if you didn't change it" "how can you grow to hate what you once loved?" Well mr martin, we dont hate the thing we once loved. Someone took the title of the thing we loved, painted over it, with feces, and told us ut was chocolate covered.
Dropping truth bombs left and right in this vid! If they do make another lord of the rings movie.... honestly I'll probably wait until you watch it first my man. I don't think I could take another viewing like Rings of Power, it crushed my soul
What did you expect? TH-cam was full of people who predicted the outcome quite accurately.
I had a friend ask me to watch it with her just to make fun of and I told her I would rather hike a ten mile trail that goes uphill. I told she would far better material watching spoofs making fun of RoP
As soon as I read the news I knew Amazon was going into panic mode
They are going to do the same 🐂💩.
They haven't learn their lesson,
They still think we have yet to "learn ours".
I really hope Disparu writes a book someday. It could be about outdoor plumbing and I'd still buy it.
The Witticisms of Disparu
"Look to the future" - means that a committee will decide what's acceptable. There'll be sensitivity experts pouring over the script, there'll be diversity experts ensuring that all races and various genders or non-genders are represented.
...and it will be a mess, but at least every person will get to see a person that looks like them, except better looking.
I'm in agreement, in the current environment in hollywood, there is no way to create another LOTR movie series that will come close to equalling the quality of the Jackson series. Even if Peter Jackson was back onboard, doing the same role, as he has had his success with LOTR, and will never be as hungry as he was then.
Diversity in Tolkien's world has already been discussed. Don't just add all ethnicity in one town, focus on people from different regions (like men from the east). If women fighting was the exception not the norm, just dont do it (lack of warrior women actually had major significance of the story in Eowyn). If sexuality is not part of story don't add.
Don't really care what DNA the actors have. None of them are dwarves or elves or orcs anyway. Maybe they don't even have DNA and so skin, hair and eye color is random in their kind. Who cares? It doesn't affect the plot one bit. But I do need the story to be good, and it wasn't. The over arching story of Tolkien's Second Age is that power corrupts, especially among men. Even the noble Numenoreans eventually fall prey to Sauron's long game. What we got in ROP was a multi-century revenge story - and not even a convincing one. I think we see Finrod on screen for maybe one minute total in just the first episode. We never get any flashbacks later on, reminding us what is spurring on Galadriel, and therefore the overall narrative. We really have no idea why she loved her brother so much. Sauron is even worse in this regard. He seems to have no agency or motivations at all. He just tags along with Galadriel wherever she goes because reasons. He's the most random character in the whole show. He should be subtly manipulative but instead is completely passive.
@@gunkulator1 not everything is plot. Visuals are also a thing, unless you purely listen to it instead of watching.
Literal dwarves, elves, and orcs, and they act like there's no diversity. Literal different races are present, instead of different skin colored people, but no, no diversity.
Its just like the pogroms on the dwarves and elves on the Witcher, yet, to tackle racism they just slap some uncanonical black people into the show. Instead of showing true horrors of racism, they try to feed everyone candy and act like racism doesn't exist and as if it will ever actually go away.
@@centerfield6339 Sure visuals are a thing and the few good comments ROP tends to get are that its visuals are impressive. We have to accept that 21st century human beings will be playing fantasy beings from long ago. The alternative is more CGI and I'm glad they did not go that route. What about the show was visually jarring? That everyone had all their teeth, too much fat on their bones and smooth instead of pock marked skin? Again, we only have 21st century human beings here to work with. IMHO, nitpickiness over the visuals takes a huge backseat to the many plot holes.
@@gunkulator1 fair point, but I think those things aren't so jarring because we forget they were a thing. A small tribe of people all of different races is.
They should just spoof ROP over three whole films. Like Spaceballs in Middle Earth.
ROP the lunch box.
Based on what Embracer did with Saint's Row, I'm not optimistic.
I'm so sick of being disappointed, I've all but stopped watching movies and TV shows anymore. I don't dare hope that these new movies will be any good, or reflect Tolkien's world. The RoP team ghosted Peter Jackson when he wanted to see the script. They wanted him onboard for his good name, not his vision. So they gambled. They contacted him in the hopes that he would just say yes, but when he didn't they shut him out. They had probably seen the interview where he states that it's TOLKIEN's vision that's important, not theirs, and they knew he wouldn't back down. In retrospect, Peter Jackson should be happy he got ghosted, because his good name would've been ruined forever had he been credited as Executive Producer or even Advisor.
Which brings me to the present. If PJ agrees to do these movies, he needs a lawyer to write 100p stipulation that guarantees his absolute autonomy and final say in EVERYTHING. If WB truly want money, and get fans excited, they will do this. That being said... I'll dare be excited when I hear THAT. Otherwise, fuck those movies. Woke trash, strong girl bosses among bumbling idiot men and beta cowards, brown people where there should be none, race swapping, gender swapping, and transgender wheelchair bound midget gay romances. No thanks. (And just to add further context into this ramble, I'm gay myself.)
There are so many ways this could go absolutely right, and a million more ways it could absolutely fall flat on its face.
Nice! I've had so many laughs with the reviews of RoP
It was just sad what they did to the franchise and lore.
@@Garoslol technically rop isn't even a part of the franchise. It's so distorted, that the only things equal to the books were some names and the talk about rings.
@@TrangDB9 It was obviously just some bad fan fiction but they bought the rights so its technicly canon lore.
@@Garoslol true and it did set up a lot of fans for sure.
I sincerely hate everything about the words diversity and inclusion and what they stand for, now. It also makes my blood boil when I listen to all the promotion interviews for the Rings of Power. My heart fell when I heard about a new LoTR. I have very low expectations about everything. The only thing that would get me to the theatre would be Tom Cruise and maybe small films that I have heard are good from reviewers I trust. The last film I saw was Operation: Fortune from Guy Richie. It was fun. And I saw the Menu and I liked it. Loved the video.
If Jackson would be the driving force and he would be given proper time.. I would be sooo fking excited about this
If Jackson were around they would still be fucked up, filmmakers do not have artistic licence anymore. The films must satisfy political criteria, there is a reason why China's movies are all rubbish, political criteria and the West's are too. I watch Korean tv and film and for the moment they have produced the very best there is in terms of tv.
He made the hobbit …… I’m not hopeful.
@@spiderknight9893 Didn't you read what the OP said? It's time. The Hobbit trilogy was a scrap he compiled from another director after it was abandoned and he was rushed to finish the same. Still he managed to deliver a decent one. You'd rather have the ROP team to do them instead isn't it?
@@mocuishleify I’d rather they left lord of the rings alone……..
It would be better but only if they were able to obtain the rights to The Silmarillion. You can't really tell the story of the Second Age without telling the story of the First.
IF they were able to get the rights to the first age content via Silmarillion or Children of Hurin, put Tolkien's vision foremost in their minds, and use modern technology for effects (I better see Avatar quality with Northman story quality) I MIGHT give them money...
Why the fuck would you want them adapting anything that has yet to be ruined? You might give them money for ruining more stories? Weird
Silmarilion has plenty of great individual stories...but i am afraid not enough content for Jackson-length movies...
That being said, "trilogy" could be made...first movie focusing on Beren, second on Turin and third one focusing on Tuor (my favourite of all Edain heroes).
They don't have rights for Silmarillion. Thank god.
@@iz9744 Actually, IMHO the Beren/Luthien story is so complex, involves so many locations and events, covers so much of the history and requires so many callbacks to so many other stories that to tell it well and at a reasonable pace could easily require two if not three movies. The Turin story has a natural break in the middle. The Tuor story should really be folded in as a prequel to a trilogy about Earendil/Elwing and the birth of Elrond/Elros (and I agree about Tuor, could I be someone in Middle Earth, it would be him).
They'd wokified that to
Brad Dourif (Wormtongue) is American and I saw an interview with him where he was talking about having to do a British accent, while being surrounded by Brits. I would be nervous AF having to do that.
I have low expectations from Hollywood in its pursuits to follow Dr Evils example
"Why make a billions when you can make...millions?"
Right...because this was such a great idea the last time Warner Bros. did this with the Hobbit. Not even Peter Jackson was able to make those movies any better then "passable". The passion wasn't there, he knew what it was, so did most of the cast.
I don't believe for a second any new movies will be as good as the OG series, even more so now that mandatory diversity is a thing. Cue Gonder and Rohan looking like San Francisco. Thankfully Smell-o-vision anymore so we don't have to smell it either.
Warnerbros has the blueprint for every single thing they should not do. If they go the exact opposite of rings of power then they will make Billions.
I don't even have a fool's hope of a positive outcome.
Its over, its now a slow wraithing process to a state of neither living nor death.
7:46 I always love hearing someone mention Stargate SG1. It doesn’t happen often, and it’s my all-time favorite science fiction show.
@@stevef3685 They’re already planning to bring Stargate back, but not as a reboot.
Nothing Hollywood makes right now is good, so it will suck. It will be diverse, woke, and cringe too. Don’t get your little hopes up.
"We don't trust you with our franchises." Spot on.
I am so so glad Rowling was able to keep the cast all Briti sh. I can't imagine it otherwise
So it fucking should be. Fuck representative bs
Just hearing Stargate SG1 makes me feel good
"Honor the past but look towards the future"
This is pretty much how Ringalingdings of Gurl Power was also marketed before it came out... and look at it now. I don't hold out too much hope for WB's LotR reboot.
But hey, when you're expecting the absolute worst you can only be pleasantly surprised. I expected Hogwarts Legacy to be a mediocre mess of bugs and unfinished content banking on outrage marketing to make a quick cash grab, but look what came out. Maybe this new LotR thing will end up being surprisingly good too.
That's the hope
In the words of the late George Carlin:"Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist." Fans once idealized the Middle Earth because Tolkien and Peter Jackson delivered the ideal that has won their fans in the 1st place. But unfortunately it's shows like Rings of Power and Star Trek: Discovery(hijacking off another longstanding franchise) that crushed the hopes such ideals from being a reality(at least for now), and it's understandable why fans have become so cynical after being burned so badly!
People love hating on the Hobbit but i love them so much :(
Erebor is so magnificent and the dwarfs interacting with each other/others is fun.
It sets up everything that will come in LOTR
It was atleast a fun action movie/family fun movie. I'd take that quality over RoP anyday, all day.
Compared to modern movies it's a masterpiece.
As a kids/family movie, the Hobbit trilogy is okay. It is comedic and you never really fear that the quest will end in failure, because this kind of movie never ends that way. It has barely any drama, except at the end, and drama is a requirement for any non-comedy movie for adults.
The LOTR trilogy is the opposite: every little thing has a hidden meaning because it was taken directly from Tolkien. You could watch Fellowship (the best in the trilogy) five times and still not have catch all the little details. Plus, as you grow as a person in the real world, the more you take from that movie every time you re-watch, for example, when you learn which real world people/location Tolkien intended the Hobbits and the Shire to represent.
So just don't compare the two trilogies, and we will be fine. They were made for different audiences and for different moods.
Maybe fun, but stupid and hollow.
Have you seen the Kit Kat adverts they're showing here in the UK? Made to tie in and promote Rings of Power, but they started showing them months after the show ended, and the only clips of the show itself are 2 shots of the army riding in horseback with no closeup shots of Galadriel or any lead actors at all! 🤣
So WB has the rights? Is this why watching LotRs and the Hobbit isn't free on Prime anymore? Good, but now I need to move my DVD player.
Edit: I don't want my favorite franchise to die, I want corporations to keep their hands off of them.
The saddest thing is J.K.Rowling herself was able to fight to have her story be hers. But LOTR doesn’t have Tolkien to fight for it, only making it more difficult for Peter Jackson and other saving graces to make something as beautiful and Tolkien worthy as the original Lord of the Rings movies. (Though I must say I do like the thought of J.R.R.Tolkien going ballistic on the director of Rings of power)
My worry is that people will accept the movies if they won't too bad because they'd not be as bad as Rings of Power. Even if they are still bad.
Sorry for them, my trust has been stomped on enough. I for one will not be paying money to go see it. Not unless reviewers like you and some others I respect rave about how good it is. Otherwise, I'll just wait to it shows up on some old rerun channel. So done with do-over remakes.
You are definitely right about lack of respect towards the source material runining beloved film franchises. It's not that Middle Earth does not have potential (it certainly does), but the mind behind bringing any story within it to life is very important.
When these news were announced, instead of getting excited, all I've felt is dread and said to myself "oh god, not again" specially to LOTR, which has been very dear to me since childhood.
Even with the possibility of jackson and his team getting involved, its hard to have even a little hope and optimism, because even if they hire him, there will be no guarantees that they will let him have full creative power over any movies he might make and that is just how the corporate movie making climate is these days.
So...not holding my breath for this one untill I'll see hard evidence that proves to the contrary.
I welcome another take on The Lord of the Rings - but one that would be a bit longer, either via movies or a tv series, and would have time to provide more detail from the books. I'd like to see the cultural and historical differences between Rohan and Gondor displayed, the Scouring of the Shire, things like that. It may be unrealistic but dreaming of it makes me happy.
Remember Jackson had everything laid out before him with the success of the original trilogy and the lesser success of The Hobbit movies. The stories are told and the tracks are laid out. His great achievement was his determination to adhere so closely to those tracks and getting the right people in to pull it off. Taking on the largely undefined material restricted by the copyright laws is an entirely different animal.
Disparu, people think I'm jumping to conclusions and being overly negative about the release of new LoTR content. You perfectly summed up why, particularly in this modern age, I don't want new cinematic LoTR content and definitely not a MECU (Middle-Earth Cinematic Universe). They are going to water down this franchise and turn it into something it's not.
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This goes as far back as 2001 as explained in the video.
Movies making billions of dollars weren't exactly common before the MCU.
Ironically (because DC) it's essentially like Gordon said in the ending of Batman Begins about escalation...doubly ironic, sort of, since the same actor was also in the Harry Potter movies.
Love your opinions, think you're spot on.
I'm curious what the shows are that you go to for actual quality. Would love to see you break down what makes it good!
"Could that destroy the rings of power"
To be able to destroy something implies that something existed in the first place. Nobody cares for them and/or hates them. There is nothing to destroy
Exactly what I thought. It's 2023... even if Peter Jackson gets to direct everything again, it's a different world now. Because of certain rules, you are NOT ALLOWED to direct movies by following the books, because of "diversity" and "representation". Not even Peter Jackson can change that, because he can't fight that many people, and also, he'd risk his whole carreer and reputation that.
Aragorn is a lesbian, Legolas and Gimli are gay for each other, Gandalf is a perfect woman and since Hollywood loves their helmet reveals..... Sauron is a woman.
😂 yes but Sauron is a vegan woman
@@knockingseeker sauruman is trans woman
@@kaycampbell364 and Frodo is African American
Nah that's over, nothing good will come out of this, they'll find a way to ruin any good intentions.
I can’t imagine a Harry Potter film series with American actors playing the characters. Tom Cruise as Severus Snape? Bruce Willis as Albus Dumbledore? John Goodman as Hagrid? I shiver at the horror.
Bruce has aphasia and is not capable of acting anymore...
14:05 no one loved rings of power. we cant hate something we loved when we never loved a monster wearing the face of Tolkien. we love Tolkien, and wont accept anything lessor!
At least one thing we can be sure of are the memes and tweets being more entertaining than the movies.
Lord of the Rings is a weird one for me, similar to Star Wars: the original creator isn't around anymore (even though still alive in the case of George Lucas), and Descendants keep messing it up. I still love both worlds, just not the stuff they are creating recently. By the way, working on a colab between Star Wars and LotR: a lego model of "Minas Ashla, the White City", combining the phenomenal model of Minas Tirith from LotR with a Jedi Temple and Jedi Crusaders.
I will try and write Peter Jackson a letter. Never do this kind of stuff, but I just need to say my piece regarding the potential for new LotR movies and him and the girls being involved. It may be a drop of water on a raging fire, but you gotta try.
Wish you success
Initiative. I like it.
I've seen too much premature celebration. THIS, is the appropriate voice of skepticism.
"The Lord of the Rings"? They were novels once, taken by the dark powers...
Two thoughts (as an American).
1. I do a bunch of dead-on British, Irish, Scottish, Welsh accents. I've spoken with people from those places with my accents, and they asked me what part of _____ I grew up in.
2. I am very proud of Rowling for her "British Only" rule. There is NOTHING wrong with being proud of your culture and there is definitely nothing wrong with wanting people to adapt your work in an authentic way.
English, not british
You make a mistake in your first sentence mate. Scottish and Welsh accents (and Northern Irish) are British accents. When you said "British" you meant "English", which has a lot of very different accents but they are all British too.
Speaking of British actors, somehow Sophia Nomvete (i don't care if I got her name wrong) made me hate the british accent, which I've always liked and even used to give me a sense that british actors are in general better than the american ones. But man, every time she opens her mouth I bleed through my ears. As for the new LOTR movies, I hope it fails spectacularly, for I don't want orcs in charge of Tokien's works anymore. I believe that ROP hit rock bottom, but they always can dig deeper.
I have to say your a very good analyst and Reviewer, You pick up on reading between the lines and coming up with a on point prospective, A rare talent these Days, Well done young Man keep it up,…
Those Screenrant articles were written by different people. I don't think, that all their journalist have to have the same narrative.
As with most things, I'll just wait how they turn out, if they ever are released.
Tolkien's work is timeless. The LotR movies by Jackson is propably one of the best adaptations of a book to the big screen you can get.
Some changes have to be made so that the movie itself works and isn`t way to long, but in terms of characters, story, arcs and feel - those are very close to the book. It is represented in a good way I'd say.
Getting something similar is not an easy task. Getting something similar in "current hollywood" might be nearly impossible.
Prove me wrong, I dare you.
I disagree with Jackson's films having characters who are close to the books. To one degree or another almost every character's personality was changed.
If Hollywood took a popular story from Asia, China, or South America, and completely changed the lore, backstory, etc…they would viciously be called out for cultural appropriation; but when they do it with a story that was specifically designed to create mythos and folklore for those in the UK who had been in constant war for centuries and lost much of their folklore and oral tradition, it is apparently business as usual.
This is a great video. Really shows how even George Martin or doesn't see or pretend he don't see the Agenda or THE MESSAGE (We all know how he feels about cringe progressive ideals)
The only way I see Peter Jackson signing on is if they give him total creative control. Amazon just ghosted him and actually fired (rumored) Tolkien scholar Tom Shippey. Probably because he disagreed with that total bastardization of Tolkien's work. They need to sign him on and listen to him.
There's a theory out there that ROP's scrip was partly or largely AI generated, which explains so much of the strangeness in it. TH-camr Land of Light did an excellent video on it.
Tbh, I can't really see that. A lot of the writing follows very consistent issues that you'd expect from massively inexperienced writers. The follow up question would be why a multi billion dollar project was hiring inexperienced writers, but I'm just gonna assume nepotism or someone pulling the strings. Not like good writers would have fixed the issue of amazon's draconian rules snuffing out the vast majority of the creative potential.
I don't see it either. Reasoning: the money Amazon would pay for software engineers to create such AI would be way more then the money for hiring even the best writers in the business
New Middle Earth movies won't be in direct competition with Rings of Power. It won't even exist by the time the movies get released. Season 2 will most likely be the last. 3 at most.
@Disparu, you should do a video on the top non-english shows you recommend. I'm starved for content (Western media sucks) but I don't know where else to go.
K-dramas and anime
Can't wait to see lesbian orcs, Asian trans Balrog, Mary Sue hobbit barbarian, Gender Queer goblin politician, and a vilain and evil rich white hetero man.
So hyped!!!!
"Hopefully the next franchise you destroy is something I don't care about." And that is the reason why they win, when we exclude certain franchises from being recognized as under attack, just because you might not personally like it or it didn't hit the hot button topic you might be obsessed with. I thought we could all speak out as one voice at one time, but turns out a lot of people have their own little camps and tribes.
Whine about their favorite franchise one day, financially support the ruination of yours the next...
WB is the same company that kept Ezra Miller and Amber Heard so my excitement for new LOTRs has greatly diminished.
Did they see the missed opportunity with ROP and decide to serve the fanbase, instead of their woke ideology? I'm not holding my breath........
Disparu is definitely the most eloquent and insightful youtuber in this field. Great entertainment.👍🏻