On a sealed on Arena I did something similar. I cast the 4 MV spell to copy my opponents Etali. It entered the battlefield first, hit one of my opponents counterspells, and countered my opponents Etali. It was brutal.
The other thing to keep in mind with Yarok is that backup abilities are ETBs, so Yarok will double up all of those too. Absolutely insane. I love Yarok so much.
Worth noting with Radha that she triggers when you use her to convoke a spell. I think that makes her a lot better especially if you have instants with convoke. Maybe as a build-around she goes up to the B range
Really small quibble, but I believe Zirda is better than a C+, I'd have it more like a B+ seeing as both Incubate tokens and all the flip creatures are major mechanics of this set and Zirda makes a non-negligible tempo impact on them being 1 (for incubate) or 2 mana cheaper.
I got 2 trophies with gyruda companion (one rakdos and one azorius). I dont think its hard to do it and i didnt force it more than any other companion. You just draft more 2 drops than normal. It plays really well with almost every 2 drop that transforms into phyrexians and as long as you arent cutting b-level+ cards its likely the right choice. I had another trophy with it main deck with a karizev&Baral and other good 3 drops, so looking at my stats its my "win-iest" card in the format, so i would always pick it as an A+.
I believe, and early stats from 17lands backs it up, that Marshall is correct about Ragavan. Stoke the Flames does indeed have slightly higher win rate. This is such a bomb heavy format that 1 drops, no matter how busted, just doesn't have enough impact on the games.
Squee is from Dominaria. His first card is from Mercadian Masques. Agree on Ragavan. Had that argument multiple times in this format to be proven correct multiple times. Zada plus the clone instant is busted. Magical Christmas Land Absolutely disagree with Firja. You've hit 5 mana. How many cards do you have left in your hand? If you played around her ability how much sandbagging did you do? How much sandbagging will you do with your future spells? Adding card selection to your second spell just isn't the bonus you want for playing usually suboptimally to get it.
@@johnprovenzano-nb4fz strange is kind of an over simplification. Towards the end of the Thran War a planeswalker transported some of the Thran higher-ups and some goblin support staff to an uninhabited mountain on Mercadia to escape the conflict. The Thran city folk would have died without the goblins as they didn't have any survival skills for their new wilderness environment being raised in a technologically advanced city. This allowed the goblins and their decendants to be hugely influential politically. Phyrexia finally found the transplanted society generations later and exerted influence there without invading so the ruling class of goblins "adopted" Squee in an attempt to mess with the Weatherlight crew. All of that backfired. The Mercadian goblins didn't explain the plan to their underlings or next generation so Squee was able to exert influence as as part of the ruling class even though he wasn't suppose to be able and he was revered by the following generations due to the mix up.
I had Horobi be great for me. As LSV said, I had some backup creatures, including Stormblood Berserker. I also had Lurrus, so i could 1B destroy target creature, draw a card every turn.
Seizan is the classic trashiest card that is going to kill me everytime, I can see it coming. Was vs. UB and I was close to win, oppo goes necropolis, mills me to one, picks it up from the GY, plays it, GG xD Painful
I had t1 ragavan and got beaten quite good. I think it is only crushing if you have it t1 and also a low cmc removal as well. otherwise it makes you 1 treasure token and that's it
I agree, I've done so many mental gymnastics to try to figure out why everyone says this card is so busted. It just doesn't add up to me. It's a good card for sure, I just don't see it as an "A+, should be banned" type of card like so many people do. Like obviously if your opponent doesn't have a 1, 2 or 3 drop creature, or removal, it's going to be amazing for you. But if your opponent misses their 1 drop, but then has a 2 drop, I feel like Ragavan really didn't do that much for you. The top card of your opponent's library could often whiff for you as well.
Oh god yes, I also misclicked on a battle once. I attacked it, stuff resolved so I clicked bottom right, and just as I clicked noticed that I was clicking "Decline" and the battle stayed exiled. Somehow I still won, but why?
Aw I have loved Teysa. The white black incubate/phyrexian deck loves her. The lifelink can put you over the top. The one that dies to incubate 3 is good, but also gift of completion. It has been overperforming for me so that's interesting.
Casting also means you could counter the backside with, say, Essence Scatter if it's a creature (not in this format, just an example conditional counterspell)
I had Arixmethes in a UBG deck with the card that removes 5 counters from target permanent and having a turn 5 12/12 might be one of the best things I’ve ever done in limited!
Is it just me or have they been quite liberal with As and Bs here? I'm writing this comment after they hard-sold Ezuri and followed up with B. Also: Atris, the 3 mana 3/2 menace with mini Faction or Fiction on ETB, as an A? Should As not be cards that pull you right from behind?
Considering how many cards have cost reduction with convoke, the blue bounce spell, and the cards with land cycling, Keruga is actually not that difficult to make work as a companion.
thank god i watched this before playing my first sealed game, i had horobi in my deck, didnt know backup can target opponents :D i planned to use it with the red convoke buff 2 creatures spell :P
Funniest thing I did with all my Multiverse Legends at my prerelease was play an extremely greedy Mardu deck. I openend Heliod, Rankle + Torbran, Drana + Linvala, Kwende, Seizan, Aurelia, old Urabrask, and to top it all off Djeru and Hazoret! It was so incredibly greedy but I did get to activate and cast some free legends thanks to D+H. I also did a funny thing which was casting Seizan on my opponent's turn thanks to flipping over Heliod! So I got to be the first one to draw two!
Horobi won me lots of games during my prerelease. One game I only won, because my opponent had no way of removing creatures in his hand. Except for two bites, he couldn't cast for several rounds. I cast horobi during several games and it was always good. Except that one time when my opponent had a tapper, that could pick off my creatures. But it still pressured a lot
zirda is surprisingly scary in this format, all the transforms are so slow cuz you basicially take a turn off to upgrade a creature, with zirda you basicially can pseudo doublespell them
Marshall is forgetting how ridiculous the partners are. Saying you give up a lot to companion Gyruda ignores the fact that you always start the game with 8 cards, one of which is a gigantic bomb. As long as you can meet the requirements for a companion you should, it's often right to but play 18/19 lands in order to companion these things. The extra land you might draw in a game is made up for with the fact that you ALWAYS have an extra card.
Watching the rest of this most of the Companions lost a lot of their oomph with the format change and nerf. Gyruda is not one of them though, no one ever beat a companioned Gyruda in Ixalan limited.
One of my 7 win drafts somehow managed to cascade into glistening dawn off of Imori _multiple times._ GU is, in my experience, One big game of chicken over how greedy and value-oriented You can make a deck without dying.
These multiverse legends COULD completly mess up a sealed tournament. My prerelease was like a Marvel movie: 1° place me with kenrith and chandra pw 2° place dude with atraxa, jegantha, wrenn pw and sheoldred (mom) 3° place guy with ragavan 4° place boy with yarok and vorinclex (mom) jeez wat a tournament lol
The actual set can do that, too. I played a 3-3 draft and ran into multiple 4-5 color decks that lucked into perfect mana with tons of bombs and lost two of the games to the new Chandra (epic game where I was horrendously color screwed and battled my way back by utterly outplaying them despite all their luck to stabilize miles ahead at 4 life only for them to rip this off the top the turn before lethal to nuke me) and another to Etali plus the new Teferi battle (again, he was casting the battle at a point when I still had only 4 lands with only my splash color and one of my main colors with freaking the 3WW wrath in hand).
I would give Yorion A+. No, scratch that, I would give Yorion a new grade: S Tier. Why? What's the best common in blue: Preening Champion. What's one of the best rares in white? Boon-Bring Valkyrie. Arguably one of the best commons in white: The knight that makes a knight What battles do we have in blue/white? Xerex - bounce a thing, the one that draws 3 discard 1, and the one that makes a knight and pumps the team. What's the sleeper pick in blue thats overperforming? The blue knight that puts a stun counter on a thing. What core mechanics are in white? Backup and Incubate. What do all these have in common? They're all flickered by Yorion for extra value. Even if you're not blue white, you have a bunch of other effects, such as reanimate, any number of battles. Yorion goes in the deck, companion or not. BTW I just went 7-2 with a Djeru/Yorion deck that would hit Borborygmos and Fblthp or Kogla and Yidaro and it was as nuts as you would expect lol.
I built UB Gyruda deck where I got to companion him in the Tinker's cube and so all my creatures were even... still whiffed on him over half the times I played him. 4 cards really isn't that many. Many of the times I did hit, I only got one option, too (usually my own Ertrai on an otherwise empty board, sadly). I'd never try to use him as a companion again, but with enough even creatures, I'd probably run him as a 6/6 with decent upside. My dream this set is for someone to use Brudiclad and have like a 4/4 incubator token and then turn his army of other tokens into it thinking they'll be 4/4s only for them all to die. You know someone's going to do it.
You're being results oriented. It sounds like you got really unlucky, that's not how the card plays out the vast majority of the time. Every card in your deck is even. If you have just 13 creatures (which is a super low average is 16/17), you have 80% to hit off your own 4 cards. If your opponent has 8 hits(average), you have 60% to hit off their pile. Adding that together it's over 92% to hit and that's considering an unrealistically low creature counts in your own deck. On 17lands it's a had 62.7% win rate when in the opening hand for Ikoria. It's worth diluting your deck to draw an extra card every game that has a way higher than average EV of winning the game.
I had an S+ aggro fast deck i went 16 lands and then went 0-3 twice i drew NOTHING but lands and the other time i flooded horrible too xD so far this format is not kind to me
I'm baffled on why Scott said red was the weakest ability on Kenrith as it is traditionally the single most used ability in brawl and anywhere else he's played. You slam down a big creature and then give it haste and trample, and you only invested one mana, that's fantastic. Ken's red activation is ONLY "the weakest" in a vacuum of you have unlimited mana and you will never play a large bomb that doesn't already have trample and haste or you never have that extra mana to give it trample and haste.
Black has 2 OG Kamigawa legends in a row. And they both look terrible. That was during an era when WOTC was obsessed with giving black creatures drawbacks, and it shows here.
Thanks for getting this out there. I know this was a long set to review, and I appreciate you guys for all the great limited content you put out.
Thanks for the extra work on this set guys, it’s really great
At one of my prereleases I doubled my Etali, Primal Conqueror ETB with Yarok, the Desecrated. One of my favorite limited moments ever.
On a sealed on Arena I did something similar. I cast the 4 MV spell to copy my opponents Etali. It entered the battlefield first, hit one of my opponents counterspells, and countered my opponents Etali. It was brutal.
The other thing to keep in mind with Yarok is that backup abilities are ETBs, so Yarok will double up all of those too. Absolutely insane. I love Yarok so much.
Horobi combos nicely with the 2 mana red creature that taps to give a creature haste.
Worth noting with Radha that she triggers when you use her to convoke a spell. I think that makes her a lot better especially if you have instants with convoke. Maybe as a build-around she goes up to the B range
Really small quibble, but I believe Zirda is better than a C+, I'd have it more like a B+ seeing as both Incubate tokens and all the flip creatures are major mechanics of this set and Zirda makes a non-negligible tempo impact on them being 1 (for incubate) or 2 mana cheaper.
On Kaheera, GW has a couple of nice elementals and cats, I played it and found it great honestly.
I got 2 trophies with gyruda companion (one rakdos and one azorius). I dont think its hard to do it and i didnt force it more than any other companion. You just draft more 2 drops than normal. It plays really well with almost every 2 drop that transforms into phyrexians and as long as you arent cutting b-level+ cards its likely the right choice. I had another trophy with it main deck with a karizev&Baral and other good 3 drops, so looking at my stats its my "win-iest" card in the format, so i would always pick it as an A+.
I played Imoti without a single 6 drop in the deck and just cackled as my opponents cast deadly derision on my vanilla 3/1
In my pre release i opened a lurrus and Kroxa, was a fun time for me
I believe, and early stats from 17lands backs it up, that Marshall is correct about Ragavan. Stoke the Flames does indeed have slightly higher win rate. This is such a bomb heavy format that 1 drops, no matter how busted, just doesn't have enough impact on the games.
Squee is from Dominaria. His first card is from Mercadian Masques.
Agree on Ragavan. Had that argument multiple times in this format to be proven correct multiple times.
Zada plus the clone instant is busted. Magical Christmas Land
Absolutely disagree with Firja. You've hit 5 mana. How many cards do you have left in your hand? If you played around her ability how much sandbagging did you do? How much sandbagging will you do with your future spells? Adding card selection to your second spell just isn't the bonus you want for playing usually suboptimally to get it.
Correct. He was the cabin boy on the Weatherlight. He was revered on Mercadia in the lore because of that culture's strange fascination with goblins.
@@johnprovenzano-nb4fz strange is kind of an over simplification. Towards the end of the Thran War a planeswalker transported some of the Thran higher-ups and some goblin support staff to an uninhabited mountain on Mercadia to escape the conflict. The Thran city folk would have died without the goblins as they didn't have any survival skills for their new wilderness environment being raised in a technologically advanced city. This allowed the goblins and their decendants to be hugely influential politically. Phyrexia finally found the transplanted society generations later and exerted influence there without invading so the ruling class of goblins "adopted" Squee in an attempt to mess with the Weatherlight crew. All of that backfired. The Mercadian goblins didn't explain the plan to their underlings or next generation so Squee was able to exert influence as as part of the ruling class even though he wasn't suppose to be able and he was revered by the following generations due to the mix up.
I had Horobi be great for me. As LSV said, I had some backup creatures, including Stormblood Berserker. I also had Lurrus, so i could 1B destroy target creature, draw a card every turn.
Something to note, Skithiryx still damage Battle and Planeswalker with normal damage, because infect only affect Creatures and Players.
Seizan is the classic trashiest card that is going to kill me everytime, I can see it coming.
Was vs. UB and I was close to win, oppo goes necropolis, mills me to one, picks it up from the GY, plays it, GG xD
Painful
I had t1 ragavan and got beaten quite good. I think it is only crushing if you have it t1 and also a low cmc removal as well. otherwise it makes you 1 treasure token and that's it
I agree, I've done so many mental gymnastics to try to figure out why everyone says this card is so busted. It just doesn't add up to me. It's a good card for sure, I just don't see it as an "A+, should be banned" type of card like so many people do. Like obviously if your opponent doesn't have a 1, 2 or 3 drop creature, or removal, it's going to be amazing for you. But if your opponent misses their 1 drop, but then has a 2 drop, I feel like Ragavan really didn't do that much for you. The top card of your opponent's library could often whiff for you as well.
17lands shows a very high win percentage in the opening hand. Right now, it's ranked 7th in the set for that metric (65.3%).
Oh god yes, I also misclicked on a battle once. I attacked it, stuff resolved so I clicked bottom right, and just as I clicked noticed that I was clicking "Decline" and the battle stayed exiled. Somehow I still won, but why?
March of the MAchines felt like cube at times
Thanks for this show
These reviews save my ass. Love the work yall do.
Thanks for the PSA in the sign-off. That would've got me eventually.
Marshall really has the personality of wallpaper.
My first match of my first game of sealed, opponent turn one Ragavan.
Aw I have loved Teysa. The white black incubate/phyrexian deck loves her. The lifelink can put you over the top. The one that dies to incubate 3 is good, but also gift of completion. It has been overperforming for me so that's interesting.
Battles exile because of teferi. They wanted to put teferi on the backside and they wanted it to enter with loyalty counters
Casting also means you could counter the backside with, say, Essence Scatter if it's a creature (not in this format, just an example conditional counterspell)
I had Arixmethes in a UBG deck with the card that removes 5 counters from target permanent and having a turn 5 12/12 might be one of the best things I’ve ever done in limited!
I drafted a Sultai Yorion companion deck with a lot of battles and backup and graveyard recursion and Yarok and easily went 7-0 it was nutty
Is it just me or have they been quite liberal with As and Bs here? I'm writing this comment after they hard-sold Ezuri and followed up with B. Also: Atris, the 3 mana 3/2 menace with mini Faction or Fiction on ETB, as an A? Should As not be cards that pull you right from behind?
Considering how many cards have cost reduction with convoke, the blue bounce spell, and the cards with land cycling, Keruga is actually not that difficult to make work as a companion.
thank god i watched this before playing my first sealed game, i had horobi in my deck, didnt know backup can target opponents :D i planned to use it with the red convoke buff 2 creatures spell :P
In my solo prerelease I had Yorion as Companion with Atraxa & went 3-1, netting 6 packs.
Always in for the LSV takes!
Funniest thing I did with all my Multiverse Legends at my prerelease was play an extremely greedy Mardu deck. I openend Heliod, Rankle + Torbran, Drana + Linvala, Kwende, Seizan, Aurelia, old Urabrask, and to top it all off Djeru and Hazoret! It was so incredibly greedy but I did get to activate and cast some free legends thanks to D+H.
I also did a funny thing which was casting Seizan on my opponent's turn thanks to flipping over Heliod! So I got to be the first one to draw two!
Horobi won me lots of games during my prerelease. One game I only won, because my opponent had no way of removing creatures in his hand. Except for two bites, he couldn't cast for several rounds. I cast horobi during several games and it was always good. Except that one time when my opponent had a tapper, that could pick off my creatures. But it still pressured a lot
Love it!!!!
No mention of treasures for juri! No mention of convoke for radha!
Many arena players just don't know how to assign combat damages manually, sometimes you can just get 3 cards from Inga by double blocking.
Zada plus Storm the Seedcore is so sweet
Oh God I hadn't considered that. Absolutely gross.
How does that work? Do you just target Zada with the first spell, then get copies of the spell that give you 4 counters each?
@@jeffe2267 Yep! and it also works with Zhalfirin Shapecraft to turn your creatures into 4/3s and draw a card for each creature you control.
zirda is surprisingly scary in this format, all the transforms are so slow cuz you basicially take a turn off to upgrade a creature, with zirda you basicially can pseudo doublespell them
Marshall is forgetting how ridiculous the partners are. Saying you give up a lot to companion Gyruda ignores the fact that you always start the game with 8 cards, one of which is a gigantic bomb. As long as you can meet the requirements for a companion you should, it's often right to but play 18/19 lands in order to companion these things. The extra land you might draw in a game is made up for with the fact that you ALWAYS have an extra card.
Watching the rest of this most of the Companions lost a lot of their oomph with the format change and nerf. Gyruda is not one of them though, no one ever beat a companioned Gyruda in Ixalan limited.
@@lovelylemonfactory yeah, surely never did someone beat Gyruda in Ixalan limited. Or lose to it. Or see it ;D
"I really don't think I've ever seen a Gyruda miss." Lol, never played in my pod. I whiff all the time with Gyruda in 4-player!
I killed an opponent with Fynn, getting to 10 poison counters. Great with the deathtouch backup common creature
“Never saw Gyruda miss” - I had it in my last draft and cast it 3 times & missed all 3 times 😢
In sealed my enemy went first and had turn 1 ragavan..never was more happy about a win xD
One of my 7 win drafts somehow managed to cascade into glistening dawn off of Imori _multiple times._
GU is, in my experience, One big game of chicken over how greedy and value-oriented You can make a deck without dying.
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My Yarok deck with _24_ EtBs says otherwise.
Ahhh nice guys
These multiverse legends COULD completly mess up a sealed tournament. My prerelease was like a Marvel movie:
1° place me with kenrith and chandra pw
2° place dude with atraxa, jegantha, wrenn pw and sheoldred (mom)
3° place guy with ragavan
4° place boy with yarok and vorinclex (mom)
jeez wat a tournament lol
The actual set can do that, too. I played a 3-3 draft and ran into multiple 4-5 color decks that lucked into perfect mana with tons of bombs and lost two of the games to the new Chandra (epic game where I was horrendously color screwed and battled my way back by utterly outplaying them despite all their luck to stabilize miles ahead at 4 life only for them to rip this off the top the turn before lethal to nuke me) and another to Etali plus the new Teferi battle (again, he was casting the battle at a point when I still had only 4 lands with only my splash color and one of my main colors with freaking the 3WW wrath in hand).
I would give Yorion A+. No, scratch that, I would give Yorion a new grade: S Tier.
Why? What's the best common in blue: Preening Champion.
What's one of the best rares in white? Boon-Bring Valkyrie.
Arguably one of the best commons in white: The knight that makes a knight
What battles do we have in blue/white? Xerex - bounce a thing, the one that draws 3 discard 1, and the one that makes a knight and pumps the team.
What's the sleeper pick in blue thats overperforming? The blue knight that puts a stun counter on a thing.
What core mechanics are in white? Backup and Incubate.
What do all these have in common? They're all flickered by Yorion for extra value.
Even if you're not blue white, you have a bunch of other effects, such as reanimate, any number of battles.
Yorion goes in the deck, companion or not. BTW I just went 7-2 with a Djeru/Yorion deck that would hit Borborygmos and Fblthp or Kogla and Yidaro and it was as nuts as you would expect lol.
I built UB Gyruda deck where I got to companion him in the Tinker's cube and so all my creatures were even... still whiffed on him over half the times I played him. 4 cards really isn't that many. Many of the times I did hit, I only got one option, too (usually my own Ertrai on an otherwise empty board, sadly). I'd never try to use him as a companion again, but with enough even creatures, I'd probably run him as a 6/6 with decent upside. My dream this set is for someone to use Brudiclad and have like a 4/4 incubator token and then turn his army of other tokens into it thinking they'll be 4/4s only for them all to die. You know someone's going to do it.
You're being results oriented. It sounds like you got really unlucky, that's not how the card plays out the vast majority of the time. Every card in your deck is even. If you have just 13 creatures (which is a super low average is 16/17), you have 80% to hit off your own 4 cards. If your opponent has 8 hits(average), you have 60% to hit off their pile. Adding that together it's over 92% to hit and that's considering an unrealistically low creature counts in your own deck.
On 17lands it's a had 62.7% win rate when in the opening hand for Ikoria. It's worth diluting your deck to draw an extra card every game that has a way higher than average EV of winning the game.
I played against someone who played 3 censors. And he was the one who also played battles and fell into his own trap. Twice.
The nicest episode
I have seen insane play with Gyurda - milled opponent's 6-nana Krosa, returned own Heliod, returned a battle 😮
I had an S+ aggro fast deck i went 16 lands and then went 0-3 twice i drew NOTHING but lands and the other time i flooded horrible too xD so far this format is not kind to me
Similar experience. Thats the problem with games that have a luck factor. And you can’t bluff like in poker. If your board and hand sucks your SOL.
RNG is your god.
I'm baffled on why Scott said red was the weakest ability on Kenrith as it is traditionally the single most used ability in brawl and anywhere else he's played. You slam down a big creature and then give it haste and trample, and you only invested one mana, that's fantastic. Ken's red activation is ONLY "the weakest" in a vacuum of you have unlimited mana and you will never play a large bomb that doesn't already have trample and haste or you never have that extra mana to give it trample and haste.
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I really hope that every set now doesn't have these dumb bonus sheets. Ugh
First to say First
Black has 2 OG Kamigawa legends in a row. And they both look terrible. That was during an era when WOTC was obsessed with giving black creatures drawbacks, and it shows here.
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