terrific technique. thanks for sharing with me a couple of years ago in N.J.U.S.A.. did wonders for my hornbeam, which the other guy didn't listen and never got any sprouts. using it now on a couple of elms and a maple, we'll see. thanks again, Steve.
How long would you expect to wait before you see any signs of growth? I have an air layered Hawthorn inside the house in a bin bag. Two weeks and nothing yet, possibly not enough roots.
Hey, hope you noticed yourself as its been months since you asked. If click read more in Tony's description under the video he writes "When the new shoots reach 5cm or 2” remove from the bag and protect from cold and wind, mist spray daily and keep out of direct sunlight." So it stays in the bag for as long as it takes the new shoots to reach 5cm.
That's all good but... how long should a yamadori tree stay in the bag? What is the aftercare when You remove it from that bag? Isn't is a problem if a tree has a small amount of roots during collection? Last year I treated one of my collected hawt horns in that manner, it "sweated" beautifully giving a lots of fresh, green leaves but when I took it out after 2-3 weeks I kept in the same place (warm, sunny, dry) and it died in 3-4 months. I think I should've kept it in high humidity environment and that was the crucial part of aftercare. Nevertheless - it works wonders, but I am not sure if natural methods aren't better for a health and sustainable growth of a tree? best regards!
Late reply, but... With this technique it's important with baby steps. You can also start with a thick black bag. Then when buds start to open you replace the black bag with a transparent bag, letting sunlight in. But not direct sunlight. When you remove that bag you still want to keep it out of strong sun.
Thanks Tony! I have a question: if it's in the garage then there's no light at all getting through-- will it still bud then? Also, what do you think is the optimum temperature for inside the bag, roughly? If I leave it outdoors here in Madrid it will cook the tree and roots so I will have to find the right place to keep it (and yes my partner won't forgive me if it's in the house or on the patio 😉
I have a question, I have collected some evergreen oaks, should I apply this technique or not. (Quercus Coccifera) Should i defoliate and then apply it?
hi, thanks for the good description of this method! I have a disease problem after a few weeks in the bag. prunus, pear and almond for example ... how to avoid diseases in a favorable environment ...? What fungicide or treatment are you using? how to do with these moisture-sensitive species? Thank you!
@@TonyTickle Yes, I do this very day, but the disease don't stop. Prunus are sensitive to a lot of problems when the air is to humid. For some spicies, this technic seems difficult without the help of the appropriate fungicide. But I really don't know which one to choose. If you have any products names, i would be glad! Sorry for my english! 😉
Hi, Tony, big fan and I'm learning a lot through your videos! Any chance you could share where you get your sphagnum moss (UK) - I'm having a bit of difficulty finding value and quantity. I understand if it's a secret!
@@TonyTickle Thank you for this "helpful" answer. If I could speak English that well, I probably wouldn't have asked. How about your German language skills?
@@TonyTickle I think I understood what you mean. It surprises me a little, since light is normally also a factor in plant growth. But a bonsai friend of mine did it like you did and it worked for him too. Thank you for responding to my comment again. I am 60 years old and had my last English lesson in 1977 so it is not so easy to understand everything that was said. In any case, I find your method interesting. I would never have had the idea of working with a black cover. All the best from Germany.
Sounds like a great technique. Do you know if this would work for European oaks? Though I'm a bit afraid to apply it since the bench on my balcony gets quite a bit of wind and the bag might break the branches.
Hi Tony, thanks for these tips which have helped my collections enormously. Please excuse the beginners question, but why is this method not suitable for evergreen species?
I did this immediately after watching a little while back and iv had somewhat success..Just wandering when it’s ok to remove the bag? I keep getting lots of lovely growth with the bag on but it goes brown and shrivels when I remove it. Do I need to wait till the growth is strong?
Hi Tony, thanks for your video. I have two questions. 1. Would you recommend this “bag” technique on pine trees? 2 . I have colected several pine trees a month ago. Potted them pretty much as you described in your first video. Kept them in shade mostly. Is it to late to apply “bag’ technique now? Thank you
Hi Tony, you say that once it's in the plastic bag it needs to be kept in full sun, or alternatively can be kept indoors. Does that mean it can actually stay out of the sun, as long as it stays warm?
I have a question regarding spaghnum moss on the surface: I always get a lot of small bugs and flies in there. So I have to remove it after 2 month. Is that normal or do I do something wrong?
Thanks Tony for this 'big tip' I will certainly try it out Ashram (Trinidad nd Tobago)
Wow Tony, thanks for this nice look into your special techniques. part one was also a blast! Keep up the good work, hopefully see you soon - Heinrich
terrific technique. thanks for sharing with me a couple of years ago in N.J.U.S.A.. did wonders for my hornbeam, which the other guy didn't listen and never got any sprouts. using it now on a couple of elms and a maple, we'll see. thanks again, Steve.
Hi Stephen Great to heat from you and knowing the Black Back is in full service.
Tony welcome back, can we have an update on the Pagoda tree?
Well, I've never seen that before. I'll give it a try!
How long would you expect to wait before you see any signs of growth? I have an air layered Hawthorn inside the house in a bin bag. Two weeks and nothing yet, possibly not enough roots.
Hawthorns can be slow to respond, be patient
Hi Tony. Great video, but how long does the tree stay in the bag?
that interested me as well, could you tell us please?
Hey, hope you noticed yourself as its been months since you asked. If click read more in Tony's description under the video he writes "When the new shoots reach 5cm or 2” remove from the bag and protect from cold and wind, mist spray daily and keep out of direct sunlight."
So it stays in the bag for as long as it takes the new shoots to reach 5cm.
Hi tony, how long does the tree stay in the bag?
That's all good but... how long should a yamadori tree stay in the bag? What is the aftercare when You remove it from that bag? Isn't is a problem if a tree has a small amount of roots during collection? Last year I treated one of my collected hawt horns in that manner, it "sweated" beautifully giving a lots of fresh, green leaves but when I took it out after 2-3 weeks I kept in the same place (warm, sunny, dry) and it died in 3-4 months. I think I should've kept it in high humidity environment and that was the crucial part of aftercare. Nevertheless - it works wonders, but I am not sure if natural methods aren't better for a health and sustainable growth of a tree? best regards!
Late reply, but... With this technique it's important with baby steps. You can also start with a thick black bag. Then when buds start to open you replace the black bag with a transparent bag, letting sunlight in. But not direct sunlight. When you remove that bag you still want to keep it out of strong sun.
I'm new to bonsai; the tree is being kept humid in order to encourage new buds to sprout?
-Thanks for this demonstration! : )
Yes spot on
Thanks Tony! I have a question: if it's in the garage then there's no light at all getting through-- will it still bud then? Also, what do you think is the optimum temperature for inside the bag, roughly? If I leave it outdoors here in Madrid it will cook the tree and roots so I will have to find the right place to keep it (and yes my partner won't forgive me if it's in the house or on the patio 😉
Hello would thr same apply for a trident maple collected? Or any tips you might have for tridents collected?
Hi Carlos, I have not tried with a Trident... go for it if you fear that you may loose your tree
I have a question, I have collected some evergreen oaks, should I apply this technique or not. (Quercus Coccifera) Should i defoliate and then apply it?
Yes this should be ok
@@TonyTickle the defoliation or just the bag?
@@georgetourloukis7194 both
hi, thanks for the good description of this method!
I have a disease problem after a few weeks in the bag. prunus, pear and almond for example ... how to avoid diseases in a favorable environment ...?
What fungicide or treatment are you using?
how to do with these moisture-sensitive species? Thank you!
You need to open the bag to freshen the air every couple of days
@@TonyTickle
Yes, I do this very day, but the disease don't stop. Prunus are sensitive to a lot of problems when the air is to humid. For some spicies, this technic seems difficult without the help of the appropriate fungicide.
But I really don't know which one to choose. If you have any products names, i would be glad!
Sorry for my english! 😉
Thank You 🙏✌️
Nice shirt Tony
Are you doing this in Autumn or early spring?
Spring time
Hi, Tony, big fan and I'm learning a lot through your videos! Any chance you could share where you get your sphagnum moss (UK) - I'm having a bit of difficulty finding value and quantity. I understand if it's a secret!
Charles Fernandez I collect from larch forest plantings near my home. You can also find on wet moorland but there is little of that at the moment
@@TonyTickle Makes sense, I will keep searching. Thanks for the reply
Is this aimed more at deciduos trees?
Have you tips for conifers?
Happy Birthday by the way, even though it is a little late.
Fantastic technique! The only thing not celar to me is the light. Is darkness more nessecary then a bit of light?
If it’s a cheap thin bag, it does let light through. Like he said, if the bags too thick the growth will be yellow.
Hi tony when do you take the black bag of the tree , when it starts budding or leave it on all year , many thanks
sojo brian moran when the new growth is more than 3cm
Hello, I don't quite understand why the bag has to be black. Doesn't a clear one work as well? I would be thankfull for an answer.
It’s explained in the video
@@TonyTickle Thank you for this "helpful" answer. If I could speak English that well, I probably wouldn't have asked. How about your German language skills?
@@selfmade6142 sorry I was not aware of your nationality. The black back ‘forces’ the new growth, a clear back only offers humidity. Hope that helps
@@TonyTickle I think I understood what you mean. It surprises me a little, since light is normally also a factor in plant growth. But a bonsai friend of mine did it like you did and it worked for him too. Thank you for responding to my comment again. I am 60 years old and had my last English lesson in 1977 so it is not so easy to understand everything that was said. In any case, I find your method interesting. I would never have had the idea of working with a black cover. All the best from Germany.
This is a great method, thanks for sharing this Tony. What size and brand is those bags?
Bonsai Talk the bags are ‘wheelie bin’ bags. Really cheap and rubbish as a holder of I guess rubbish... but great for this purpose 👌
Sounds like a great technique. Do you know if this would work for European oaks?
Though I'm a bit afraid to apply it since the bench on my balcony gets quite a bit of wind and the bag might break the branches.
Balconydoor it will work with Oaks, it’s up to you to decide on the safety aspect
Very nice method👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Now Im scared about doing all wrong🙄
Hi Tony, thanks for these tips which have helped my collections enormously. Please excuse the beginners question, but why is this method not suitable for evergreen species?
because they need sunlight to thrive
@@TonyTickle Thank you.
I did this immediately after watching a little while back and iv had somewhat success..Just wandering when it’s ok to remove the bag? I keep getting lots of lovely growth with the bag on but it goes brown and shrivels when I remove it. Do I need to wait till the growth is strong?
Tony do you have an update with results please
michael norman I will be putting updates on my blog in the next few days www.yamadori.co.uk
Hi Tony, thanks for your video. I have two questions.
1. Would you recommend this “bag” technique on pine trees?
2 . I have colected several pine trees a month ago. Potted them pretty much as you described in your first video. Kept them in shade mostly. Is it to late to apply “bag’ technique now?
Thank you
Hi Erin, only use the Black bag on deciduous species. Never on evergreens such as pine, spruce, Yew, juniper etc.
Hi Tony, you say that once it's in the plastic bag it needs to be kept in full sun, or alternatively can be kept indoors. Does that mean it can actually stay out of the sun, as long as it stays warm?
the tree has to be HOT to force new growth, its not about sunshine.
@@TonyTickle understood. Thanks Tony
I have a question regarding spaghnum moss on the surface: I always get a lot of small bugs and flies in there. So I have to remove it after 2 month. Is that normal or do I do something wrong?
Their has to be humidity in the bag, once its done that job you can remove, two months should be fine
Or dig more to get more roots and pot in bigger pot for a year or 5
This is only half the information we need.