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- The search of P.D. Ouspensky in Europe, Egypt, and the Orient for a teaching which would solve for him the problems of Man and the Universe, brought him in 1915 to his meeting in St. Petersburg with George Gurdjieff. (It is Gurdjieff who is referred to throughout this book, as G.)
In Search of the Miraculous: Fragments of an Unknown Teaching is a record of Ouspensky's years of work with Gurdjieff.
Contents of Chapter 4:
General impressions of G.'s system. Looking backwards. One of the fundamental propositions. The line of knowledge and the line of being. Being on different levels Divergence of the line of knowledge from the line of being. What a development of knowledge gives without a corresponding change of being-and a change of being without an increase in knowledge. What "understanding" means. Understanding as the resultant of knowledge and being. The difference between understanding and knowledge. Understanding as a function of three centers. Why people try to find names for things they do not understand. Our language. Why people do not understand one another. The word "man" and its different meanings. The language accepted in the system. Seven gradations of the concept "man." The principle of relativity in the system. Gradations parallel to the gradations of man. The word "world." Variety of its meanings. Examination of the word "world" from the point of view of the principle of relativity. The fundamental law of the universe. The law of three principles or three forces. Necessity of three forces for the appearance of a phenomenon. The third force. Why we do not see the third force. Three forces in ancient teachings. The creation of worlds by the will of the Absolute. A chain of worlds or the "ray of creation." The number of laws in each world.
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This recalls to mind the Buddhist quote, “there are no distinctions between east and west. People create distinctions out of their own minds and then believe them.”
I very much enjoyed this chapter. It helped me to connect the two teachings and understand that one Buddhist quote in another way and further understand other knowledge i have gained in another way.
That’s great to hear. 🙏
Thank you for this series, it’s amazing! I can listen to you while doing other necessary tasks such as cooking 😁 so I can still learn with limited spare time which is brilliant. G’s work makes perfect sense in my learning so far, it’s practical yet mystical…he gives us the dots of truth, we have to learn for ourselves how to connect them 🌟
Hi Donna. You are very welcome! I’m pleased to hear that you are enjoying ISOM and finding value in listening and multitasking. Any questions or discussion would be welcome. You can find my email in the about page 😀🙏
Awesome! Really enjoy your work
Glad to hear that Andrew. I’ll be trying to finish this project early this year. 😀👍
I can imagine why someone could warn regarding Gurdjief.
There is the genius/philosopher and then there is the human man. Never the twain shall meet!
The work is fascinating, original, a real adventure for the mind and the imagination.
It can all be as real as one can make it. It is the western mind's idea that the universe can be
understood through thinking.
The ancient culture of India, for example, has either skipped over the mental, or performed it eons
ago, to arrive at a place of Knowing exemplified in the Teachers we know such as Yogananda and
Swami Vivikenanda, who were capable of transmitting Knowledge not only by their very presence
but by a command of our own language in an unusual and simple way understood by all.
And they lived what they taught.
I like what Gurdjief says about precision of language, and many other of his minute or huge observations.
The reader is excellent, excellent! reading with intelligence and connecting with readers so warmly.
Thank You, I look forward to the rest of it.
Hi Constance. Thank you for your warm and thoughtful comment.
I put out this content because I think ISOM is so important and that everyone should read it. I also agree with your thoughts on the Indian culture and approach to knowledge and being.
Thanks again for your appreciation. And I’m happy to hear you are enjoying the playlist 😊🙏
Thank you🙏
You’re welcome 🙏
Thank you, I really feel you’re innerstanding flowing through the reading into my innerstanding, even though you are not explaining the texts, it’s very valuable 🔗
You said :it's easy to have opinions... And it hits so strong with me hhaha, it's such a non important claim but it's the most true thing about our ego world🙏
You are welcome. I’m glad you are enjoying the reading and my random comments 😀🙏
@@bookclub5291they are absolutely helpful :)
Thinking about why :opinions is easy, got me so strong... Because having no opinion is so difficult in today's world.
Tnx again!
Very true! Everything needs to be done together. The understanding and knowledge.
This is why one shouldn’t simply read but practice it in life. Doing hatha yoga, eating a healthy diet, meditating, reading for intellectual knowledge, and applying and experiencing human interactions. As well as learning new skills etc it all needs to be done together and not just one or two things alone.
As for the communication part. I frequently found this to be true. My thought processes and understanding has become alien. I can write texts or texts of information to find out later that no one understood it but thought they did. They barely understood a word of what I wrote… I found it better to give the dialogue in person, so I can slowly guide them into understanding what i mean. And even then only a l very few found full understanding depending on their lvl of intelligence in this area.
As far as I’m currently aware, this isn’t taught in any of the eastern or central scriptures.
I’ve learned this in statistic class in college… language is super vague and must be very clear and precise when testing ppl.
But this is also something I learned in my experience… when I traveled and lived in many parts of the world as well as took on everyone’s religious texts, I found that language has become hard to communicate with other ppl now, whenever I get into deep topics… sometimes even shallow topics I find misunderstandings cus I have become alien.
From my current understanding, this knowledge has been found by western science and psychology, the field of the atheists and irreligious. I absolutely love and respect this about the west.
thanks for posting this. Amazing
You’re most welcome. Enjoy 🙏
Astrological lesson would be great :) 🪐
I’ll get planning 😉
So helpful, thanks a lot. Do you know of Dark Journalist’s X (esoteric) series on TH-cam? He does a lot of stuff with G and Ouspensky and the rest
You are welcome. I haven’t looked into that channel but will be sure to check it out. Thanks 🙏
i can read it in russian, but this is somehow better
Thank you!
You’re welcome 🙏
Most impactful chapter for me yet! As far as your comments at the end on astrology I subscribe to 2 channels on TH-cam-Steve Judd and then a Vedic one done by Joni Patry that you might be interested in Lewis.
Glad to hear that you are being impacted by the words in this book Lori!! There is so much information available to us on so many subjects! What a wonderful world. 😀🙏❤️
Where did you get the information about Ouspensky dying as an alcoholic in London? Resource please.
The claim that P. D. Ouspensky died an alcoholic in London is discussed in Gary Lachman’s biography, In Search of P. D. Ouspensky: The Genius in the Shadow of Gurdjieff. Lachman explores Ouspensky’s later years, examining whether he succumbed to alcoholism or was experiencing a profound transformation beyond the understanding of those around him. 
Around 38:00 this reminds me of Anekāntavāda which is a core doctrine of Jainism. It pretty much describes reality as not simple but filled full of complexity and variety. That the world has a multidimensional viewpoint. Or the world is not singular but multiple. The word means not one sided or no one perspective.
Everything in existence has multiple aspects. All views are relative and therefore different ppls perspectives have some equal validity or part of the whole truth. Further, everything in existence has the aspects of substance, quality, and mode as well as many many apposing characteristics and contradictions… front and back, existence and not existent, empty and full, plural and singular, substance and unsubstantial, etc
I’m sure you know the parable of the elephant? This parable is from the Jain philosophy of Anekantavada… each monk is blind folded and each monk is asked to feel and touch a part of the elephant… every blind monk argues with each other about what the elephant is. The monk who feels the tusk says it’s hard and pointy… the other monks who feels the trunk says it’s like a snake, etc… they all argue and appose each other. They don’t get along and divide into sects and denominations believing that they are the only ones who hold the right claim to truth based on their individual experiences and knowledge. But the reality is that all of them are both right and both wrong… this shows the reality of Anakantavada, existence is multidimensional.
Essentially, Each one of these monks is living in their own world next to all the others.
This also brings to mind the Buddhist teaching that talks about how we are all limited to our six senses (the sixth sense is the mind).
Every species has different amount of senses, some have only one… some gods(possibly aliens) have have more than six. The world for each of us is very different. We don’t live in the same world. Likewise, our science is limited to what we are limited with our six senses. We cannot sense with any other sense we don’t possess. The Buddhist teaching goes much deeper. Questioning what we experience and sense.
seeds fell on rocks
44:10
The Tao gives birth to the One.
The One gives birth to the Two.
The Two gives birth to the Three.
The Three give birth to the ten thousand things.
The ten thousand things are bolstered by Yin and wield Yang.
Together they harmonize as Breath. (Also known in Hinduism as Prana. Also how one can utilize the power of chi)
-Tao te Ching
“The One":
Represents the ultimate, unmanifest source of all things, often referred to as the "Tao".
"Two":
Represents the first division or duality arising from the One, signifying the beginning of creation and manifestation.
"Three":
Though not explicitly mentioned in the full phrase, is often interpreted as the further development and expansion from the initial duality, leading to the vast diversity of the universe.
"Ten Thousand Things":
A Chinese idiom meaning "everything" or the totality of all phenomena in the universe.
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The comparison becomes clear
A pile of Bricks is not a building for use
As is Knowledge of Things is useless as a pile of bricks
Until The Being of Man will determine the potential of bricks to construct a building
The Being is the essence and purpose of mankind
Well said 🙏
1:02:00 it is true that gurdjieff does have fragments. The eastern teachings delve deeper. But it is still great for an intro and to be put in a language easy for westerners to access. I think it’s great so far!
The other issue with Gerdjieff was that he shouldn’t have shit down the other guy because of over inflation… this is an authoritarian move. There are many ways and paths to the truth, some inferior, many equal, but who’s to say? Gerdjieff was better off giving his advice and reasons rather than doing cancel culture. It was wrong. It is very ego driven. It’s like me canceling you guys cus I decided I don’t like gerdjieff… this is wrong on so many levels. It helps you, this is your path and striving for truth. How can I stop you??? It’s not right.
The other reason for warning against gerdjieff was the misinformation I explained in my other comment in chapter two and his disparaging of other traditions and was false disparaging too. All these things are red flags to the character of Gerdjieff. It’s very cultish too.
However, the wisdom he provides is still very good and legit as far as I can tell so far in chapter 4… I would just not look up to him like a saint figure without failings. And I would ignore chapter two. My two cents.
Anyway, all the reasons for why you liked the teachings he is imparting, is just as real and good as what you liked about it. I see nothing wrong so far with this… after all, what he is teaching is the same things I’ve been learning in my studies of eastern religions that have helped me tremendously.
Exactly. And if you read all of the biographical accounts of peoples time with him, he intentionally made it very difficult for people to help to wake them up. Whether this is fair or ethical is another question that would be mere speculation.
@ and it was this that I didn’t agree with. I didn’t find it time efficient. I like wisdom first, then experiment with it as the teacher guides you.
The wisdom is frequently pulled on in the back of my mind as I experience the practices and life experiences. They work together. But I think I’ve explained my disappointment in gerdjieffs method in other comments.