Several observations: 1) you’re 100% on your analysis of Elaine and Amber dynamic when verdict read - there’s no way that was the first thing said in that room; 2) take a look at the contrast between Rottenborn’s reaction to the verdict vs Elaine’s (very different); 3) I think fealty might be more accurate than fidelity; 4) Whitney does a quick glance to her left as they’re walking to the truck - she’s “asking” if Amber wants to be in the front seat and then redirects when amber moves towards the back seat; and 5) Whitney reaches for her phone (not casually like she’s done it a million times, this was intentional - look how assertive the gesture is), which makes sense because my guess is she’s going directly to social media to see reaction to the verdict and try to get ahead of the narrative; oh and 6) Whitney’s face displays all the signs of aggression and frustration/anger - Amber is sad, Whitney is angry…how’d I do?
I'm not so sure about Whitney grabbing her phone. I do the same thing before getting in the car if my phone is in my back pocket... They aren't exactly comfortable to sit on. And the assertiveness about the grab could be due to her wanting to get out of the line of cameras/Depp fans screaming asap. I'm very curious who was in the back seat and put their arm around heard when she got in the truck.
She always has been just that, an abuser. She is one of millions of terrible and awful people on this planet. All we can do is be as different from those scabs dressed as humans, and be the change we want to see in this world.
The sad part is that she really believes that. I was in a toxic relationship and know firsthand that narcissistic people like her never admit being perpertrators and never feel responsible for the pain they induce. You can bring mountains of evidence, the whole world to back the truth and they still will deny reality, gaslight everybody and play victim. You will see it in the future, her desperate tries to look like she has been wronged, mark my words.
Don't be angry. The case was streamed and televised. Everyone knows Amber was legit found liable. Elaine can talk until she's black and blue in the face about this shit. No one's going to buy it.
@@PhantomFilmAustralia Sadly not everyone followed the case as closely. So there is a lot of ignorant ire going around claiming that Johny shouldn't have brought the suit or that the UK case was somehow more valid even though it didn't involve AH as a defendant.
@@HatterDrivenMad it doesn't matter to the people who never followed the case closely. They don't care that much about it. Johnny won. Justice was served. Time to let go and move on.
When they stated "I'm so sorry for all those women" I was so infuriated -- she and her team have no right to publicly label themselves as representatives for an entire community that despises them. How shameful
Succinctly written. I agree wholeheartedly with your comment. She speaks for neither me (a female) nor my partner (a male who was physically and mentally abused by his now ex wife who twisted it to make herself the victim and laughed about it. She got everything, he’s still suffering abuse from the court system by her nearly 20 years later. The court? In the uk, where else!)
For a movement they did not contribute ANYTHING to, they did not educate, they did not set motion, they did not take active action for change and progress, which is what any DV survivor is aiming for, but solely benefiting of other peoples struggles and trying to capitalize on it. As a woman I feel disgusted and angry. Roll up your sleeves B****
I actually felt sorry for Elaine for a while because of her client. Now that she’s out peddling AH’s lies, forget it! I just have contempt for her and her client and her born rotten compadre
Yes I feel the same . It also got me thinking those times when AH said, ‘I didn’t want to do this but my lawyer made me do this’; was it Elaine ‘s suggestion or was it another or AH’s lies....Elaine’s professionalisms as a lawyer is sure in question now.
I agree with you too. In 1991 I was stabbed by my partner and back then women were just getting to have a voice . It used to be the same with SA victims they used to be blamed and torn apart by the defense team. Times have really changed and Amber has put a taken air out of the tires and setting things back to the old days. We know she lied over and over again. I came into this very neutral as I have never seen any of the pirate movies not a big fan of either. I heard about him abusing her in the news years ago. But if I had any opinion going in it would have been with her. But as I heard the evidence ,the fist thing that really put me off was the knife. No way would a person who is abused give her abuser a knife . NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS .! ALSO she inscribed it " Till death " that sounds more like a threat from her.
Also another thing I find fascinating is how Elaine gave that big speech at the end about how the judge, jury and the guards were all very accommodating and how they appreciated all the hard work that they did. That they were thankful for the fair trial, yet the moment she started doing interviews, she tossed all that under the bus
To say “it made it into the UK trial” means absolutely nothing…. The UK has a huge problem with its cases that goes back century’s where they allow the judge to be the jury. When you have 1 person presiding a lot of times they can be biased, let’s say it’s an older man who found Amber attractive and Johnny Depp repulsive now whatever she says and does he’s going to believe which is exactly what happened. Here in the us That doesn’t fly you are judged by a jury of your peers and the fact that ALL of them believed Johnny says a lot
Yes It’s so sad and pathetic how she lost the trial blaming everyone like media Elaine stop advertising your still a good lawyer This woman just showed a back in the corner answers
The irony of the woman who accused a string of witnesses for being there for their 15 minutes of fame being on all these talk shows is not lost on me...
Any credibility Elaine possessed quickly disappeared when she immediately went on various talk shows and gaslighted throughout every interviewer's questions. I would have respect for her if she had simply responded, "I stand by my client and I am disappointed we lost". Instead she blamed everyone and everything else, except for Amber Heard and her team of lawyers.
That's exactly what she should have done, and what any professional would have done. But I guess we shouldn't expect professionalism from a woman who used mocking voices during arguments, in a court room. 😒 I'm embarrassed for her.
At any point, she could have answered the question "what would you/your team done better?" with "I'm not sure at this point. I'm still thinking on this to see if there was something different that we could have done." Now, she just looks horribly unprofessional and unprepared which would rule her out for anyone with a brain considering her for hire.
Amber isn't the only person involved in this case that is now unemployable. Elaine Bredehoft will also have a hard time finding clients after her terrible performance.
I agree!! She’s obviously another narcissist and abusive person who can’t just “ sit down and shut”! I do hope that all of these attorneys and specialists reveal that she’s also a psychopath!! It’s really sad to watch someone dig a deeper grave for themselves! I would be very surprised if she got one single job after this!! Obviously her past reputation of bullying and rude behavior has worked in her favor. Not now sweetheart! The gig is over!! And the world knows it!!
The fact she keeps looking from interviewer to interviewer, like she's trying to check that they believe her, it is very similar to the way Amber constantly looked to the jury during the trial.
I purposely try to look at everyone when I'm talking to a group, specifically when working because I don't want to exclude anyone. I wonder if this would be perceived as the same thing.
@@7clippers1 Depends, when you're actually trying to engage people in conversation there's a natural rythem to it. Where ad Amber's movements look more... I guess scripted.
It’s crazy how they did not have a strong case, but they’re still trying to gaslight us into believing they did, even after the entire world watched the trial. Makes me furious. Great analysis as usual though!
Definitely trying to capture those folks who weren't paying attention. That's a large audience and there's plenty of room for tapping into whatever bias said audience may have.
As a female im actually glad that this was televised and shown to everyone so that people could LEARN to DISTINGUISH an abuser, which, in this case, was Amber Heard. So I actually would like to thank her for being so bad at lying and helping real victims stand out and be heard.
That's really the secret, all narcissists are bad at lying if you record enough of them talking. Nothing brings one down faster than being held accountable. Did you have an abusive family member like this too?
I agree with you. She did not act like an abuse victim. There was none of that quiet desperation in her eyes. And if she knew she was going to be leaving was she obviously had plans then she would have taken pictures of the actual bruises and black eyes and not some shit written on a mirror. Abuse victims just want to keep their heads down and get the hell out of the way.
I am happy this trial went public so we could analyse and form our own opinions instead of having to read the outcome in a newspaper and guessing if JD bought the Jury. So glad we could see and hear first hand of everything.. Thank you to the US Legal system. - Citizens of the world
What I’m worried about is the attempt to shame people who did not believe AH. I’ve already seen 2 public apologies of people who said they were not aware of all of the details and should not have congratulated Johnny publicly. I’m also worried about the metoo movement using her as a representative. She is the one who has hurt women who have been abused. Watching her lie about something like being abused is horrific to someone who has actually been abused and will cause fear of being disbelieved by others because of it.
Elaine: "We didn't lose this case, the other team won." Another thing I find telling is Amber Heard's statement after the case: she claimed that the "key issue" was freedom of speech (in other words, that she should be allowed to say whatever she wants)--not that Johnny abused her and he got away with it. That's a strange way to prioritize if her story is true.
You can say whatever you want, it just have konsekvens( consequence) !!!! Maybe she will understand that, when the law stop her. I hope they can be stopped!!!!!!
AH definitely pathological, and possibly doesn’t realize at all what’s insane in what has always been her daily behavior. I doubt she’s has ever told the truth - even one single time - in her whole life. And idem as for Whitney. Quite mentally troubled, very severely damaged siblings. Public dangers, including for themselves. Can’t understand AH is not ordered to be taken in charge of clinically, at least in regards with that doomed baby daughter of hers…
It's also the same opinion of every behavioral expert I've seen covering his case. The Behavioral Panel said more or less the exact same quote. But he reality is its the truth. One she will never except.
I find it totally perplexing that Elaine is so determined to draw everyone's attention to the UK trial - it doesn't make Amber look any better! In fact, if you look at the differences between Amber's deposition from 2016, her testimony in the UK trial, and her testimony in this trial, you can see just how much she changed her story. The accounts of their time in Australia are so different that they sound like different events, but they're all essentially "here's what happened to Johnny's finger." She did see the finger get injured. Wait, no she didn't. Wait, yes she did. Wait, no, she was asleep because she took sleeping pills. It was the bottle breaking on his hand, but he did it. No, it was him waving around a broken bottle. No, it was him smashing a phone. Her feet were injured. No, her arms were injured. My point is: Elaine, why are you so focused on people seeing more evidence that your client lied?
Why she’s doing that is because Amber won that trial not this trial she wants people to remember the fact that Amber won the UK trial and she’s trying to vilify Johnny Depp
I think the thing people often forget about the UK trial is that it was against the Sun, and all the Sun had to prove was that at the time of writing they believed what they wrote to be true. ANY evidence against Heard that came after the article was written didn't matter, Heard's account didn't matter. All that mattered was what information the Sun could have possibly gathered - all of which pointed to Depp being an abuser. I think THIS is what Elaine is counting on people not acknowledging when she refers to the UK trial. She wants people to assume it was the same sort of trial ("a tale of two trials"). This is the thing they're banking on and manipulating their language to confirm. This trial, however, was whether or not AMBER knew it was a lie - which she obviously did. New evidence could come to light, questioning Amber's account could occur, pointing to the REAL victim could happen. None of this was possible in the UK trial. It would have been completely worthless - hence why Depp didn't "tell his truth".
yeah it's not a very truthful statement saying she won the UK trial, when she wasn't even a party to. she never won that trial, it wasn't hers to win, Elaine's point is nonsense here
You have just saved me months if not years of therapy in the segment on Leon Festinger; sunk cost fallacy etc. Four years ago I finally escaped 20 years of abuse, narcissism and gaslighting. Embarrassment doesn’t begin to describe what I felt when I left but also overwhelmingly ‘I am free’. I’m in therapy to understand why I stayed so long. I have transcribed that whole section. Thank you so much. I find your posts fascinating.
"a set back for all woman" really Elaine? Cause I was emotionally abused by a family member as a child and watching Amber's lies get exposed was actually a really big step forward for me 😂
The audio recordings of the verbal abuse by Amber and that maniacal laugh did it for me. She is a world class creep and needs impatient intensive treatment before she should be allowed to retain custody of her child.
On behalf of all mentally, physically, and sexually abused men throughout history who were laughed at, called sissies and liars, shamed into silence, arrested and thrown in jail because he could hide the bruises on his face, but she could use make-up to create them on hers.....thank you Amber. Thank you for finally letting people see that some women are the ones abusing the system with their manipulation.
Agreed! As a woman who experienced long term narcissistic abuse, watching this case and JD’s win was incredibly healing for me. It felt good to see justice served!!
It’s a big step forward for men to be believed when they are victims of DA. I hope this encourages a lot of men to come forward with their stories and hope that they are believed. Me too movement for all genders!!!
Elaine had the chance to move on after this embarrassment. Now her outright lying, insulting the judge, the jury and the public, she has lost all credibility and respect anyone had for her professionally or personally, destroying her own career. Camille's career success will now skyrocket as Elaine digs a grave for her own career and reputation. Even her claiming the UK trial was the same and proved Amber was truthful is an outright lie, and anyone with even basic legal knowledge knows this. The UK case was simply deciding whether The Sun had a reasonable right to take as a source someone in the marriage, and whether that source was truthful or not was irrelevant. This trial was specifically whether Amber herself was lying, which she was proven to be lying maliciously....very different legal question. The only evidence not allowed in this trial was what would have helped Depp, and Amber herself testified she did not have medical records because she didn't need medical care, making Elaine an outright liar, contradicting her own client's testimony.
Absolutely on your side! I’ve read so many amazing articles about Elaine..about what an actual master mind she allegedly is in the world of lawyers..she was granted with so much stuff, because the people claimed her to be one of the best lawyers of the US state she’s in. She could’ve just closed her mouth after that and move on - nobody would’ve said a thing about it and would’ve thought: well, poor Elaine was just doing her best at trying to defend her clients points. But the fact that she’s out there now, after accusing someone of “seeking fifteen minutes of fame” is just so freaking weird and makes me think: WHERE is this allegedly amazing lawyer? Maybe we lost that lawyer between dogs stepping on bees and dogs pooping on beds.😪 What a shame.
The UK trial was rigged. The Judge happened to be the father of a big shot working at The Sun, but somehow never recused himself, no "conflict of interest " straight kangaroo court. No way it should have been allowed and if I were JD, I'd sue everyone involved in that scam 1 by 1
That is such a Great Point!!! I forgotten about that. Also, one of the attorneys ( on the Fox Channel, said that she has defended Women of Domestic Abuse for 30 years, and that Amber Does Not represent them, because she’s a Liar. Also that in the UK there was also a judge , no jury, who was in he or she, I don’t remember, with their own bias. She said that Judge was in their late 70’s , The Judge is who preside, over everything. No Jury !
Unfortunately, some people out there without the basic knowledge of the UK trial will be gaslighted. One of my friends, who's a DV survivor still thinks JD is a "dirt bag" and AH is the victim.
I'm 5 days late and I imagine you won't see this but when I saw that last clip live after the verdict I had an immediate reaction to Whitney's little glance. I felt it. I've done that glance. It's the glance you do when you're frightened of someone's reaction. Whether she looked sad during verdict or not, I believe Whitney was anticipating rage from Amber. When you're subservient to someone close to you you're constantly monitoring their changing mood to appease them/not step on a landmine. Possibly projection on my part, but I saw myself in Whitney in that moment. She's not comforting her, she's not demonstrating compassion, she's not being tender - she's nervous/scared of her.
@Bobbi Cat I see in situations like this that the person who is the aggressor has people around them who are constantly trying to cover up the abuse by trying to handle the person, and knowing that they most likely will get bit. They are constantly making up stuff to smooth things over to limit the fallout. They are never in a state of calm. They are ducking and dodging and desperately trying to not make it blow up. My mother was exactly like Amber and perhaps Johnny's mother. I was the one who was the keeper of all things family. When one of my siblings did something that would set her off, I ran out ahead and tried to simmer down the attitude of my mother. I always got burned in every instance. But, I continued this until the day she died. And I was exhausted. I hated being the one who was the keeper of all things family. Each member dumped on me and my mother, who did not have a rational thought, fought all the way. And after the smoke cleared from that particular time, my siblings dumped on me. I was named the bitch of the family by all to my face. But I was in the cycle of most DV relationships. I was the strongest one. The job was passed to me because of this. And I played that role, getting depressed every passing year until I snapped and I had a full mental breakdown like Johnny Depp had. And to heal I had to examine myself and own the part I played. And I had to restructure myself into a role where I was not that person anymore. It cost me too much. And I also had to find a way to forgive when they were so unforgivable. And I made a way. They are still my siblings and she is still my mother. I do not have to like the way I was treated but in order to get past it I had to find a way to let it go. I forgave the situations. Not to say that it was OK to treat me like that because it was not. I had to forgive their way of thinking and move on. I can't change what happened but I can change how I react to it. And it doesn't own me anymore. I am a better person for having done the work to get myself in a safer place. And I am OK with that.
I do that too with my one friend. She’s an amazing person and one of my closest friends but she has a relatively short fuse so in certain situations I feel the need to keep an eye on her without her realizing, ie small side glances.
She shouldn’t be practicing law if she’s so distrustful of the system. I, like many others was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt -she was just doing her job. This, this is too much. Very unprofessional. Also, Amber, if you really said that- how about you stop speaking for ALL WOMEN. Don’t put words in MY mouth, girl. Not all of us agree that this is a setback for women. A lot of us think this is a boon for ALL victims, male or female, and a blow to those who falsely accuse.
As a women who suffered in the past let me say if she were concerned for "all those other women..." she would not have used us as a prop, a role, a shield, or a weapon. I found it impossible to believe 98% of heard testimony.
I was thinking about the 2% that could be believed... stating her name? what else? Parts of a statement that was filled with lies was impossible to believe in totality for me. As a survivor of domestic abuse, I probably didn't go thru the same stuff as you, but it does have lasting effects!
I agree with you 100%. The woman disgusted me, and then for Elaine to immediately go to the media with that narrative. Where is #metoo on this? I haven’t seen anything that leads me to believe that movement believes Amber either. Maybe I’m just not looking in the right place. I’m not on instagram, or Twitter, so I could just not be on the correct platforms to see all the blow back.
Humm, you'd hope but, not expect. I have NO such expectation from a lawyer like her - fee money and personal conviction rarely sit hand in hand. Plus, they ARE preparing public opinion for a possible appeal and, dare they hope, overturn of conviction. Being a lawyer does NOT make one a saint, that is still as difficult as it is for any other human being to achieve.
@@theotherside5253 😊 exactly! AH fans (the 2 left) are just reaching out for any negative attention and don’t realize AH don’t give a F about them or us true victims of DV and SA (a true victim doesn’t ever ever act out like AH did in the recordings nor would we have ever ever thought of threatening with blackmail because of the TRUEST FEARS that we will be brutally beat or murdered) but obviously AH’s last words were a ploy to get sympathy from the 2 fans left to manipulate, the rest can see the difference between a horrible actress and a victim of DV, False accusations, a broken man who’s humiliated, truly embarrassed and hurting! AH isn’t a victim of anything other than the made up self pitty party that now she’s claiming her own actual team of lawyers made her do! Lol 😂 She just doesn’t stop! I’m praying for real justice and that’s getting ALL involved with the “FALSE ACCUSATIONS to be convicted of perjury” so others do not think they can pull a AmberHeard on anyone else!
I didnt know they had these either. I wish I could send more- I have just been obsessed with this trial… but I had no idea about any celebrity drama in years because there’s been real life to deal. But It was honestly a welcomed break from news, I feel terrible because I don’t feel like he’s the type of person that wants his personal life on display. I don’t know that anyone would like their txt messages from last 10yrs to be read. That said i I found you and a few other peoples channels because of the trial. I think you are not only a very good teacher and been very compassionate, and sweet. People that have those qualities don’t know about gaslighting or lying etc. I know because I have experienced it. So to explain visual details about how to recognize these things is going to be extremely helpful. ESPECIALLY for this next generation that have very few skills socially being that this is their only way to communicate. I’m very concerned because I find myself commenting on TH-cam as if I’m speaking to someone. It’s because I’m alone too much- we’ve had drastic world changes and it feels like another crisis all the time. See! I’m still talking. In conclusion you are a positive and remarkable person and that is what I think real success is. Thanks again- promise I’ll send you more $ lol
Accusing the jury of being dishonest and saying the court/judge was unfair for letting things in and not others is not going to work in her favor when filing for an appeal. She publicly slapped the system in the face and no court is going to respect her going forward. She could've saved her career but keeping quiet and just making it seem her client is a nut. Now we know she's a nut too.
Elaine called off the third interview. I suspect Judge A phoned and reminded her that the case is still open. (It goes deeper than that Elaine showed ignorance of the law and court procedure, she withheld evidence and filed fake evidence. I believe she suborned perjury.)
I think her partners told her to stop it - hence why she cancelled yesterday’s Court TV’s interview and she hasn’t done anymore. She’s got caught up in Amber’s control and may not even realize it. The same abuse and control which lead to this problem. The same abuse and control in which all her friends don’t want to be near her. If Whitney wasn’t her sibling, she would not be partaking in the madness. One day Whitney will wake up and understand that it’s ok to set boundaries with family.
This whole thing is making me genuinely upset. As a person that has survived ACTUAL abuse, this just breaks my heart. The fact she thinks she is doing something for victims of DV and SA makes me want to cry. She is such a setback for actual women and it breaks my heart. Just stop already, Amber. Please. Accept your loss and “move on” like you always say you want to do 😒
I am so sorry that this is triggering you, you are so right, she needs to shut up, go away and get some mental health treatment, Elaine simply revolts me
The way she said "two years ago I became a public figure representing DV" makes me ill. She is putting herself in this superior role, like she's the official rep of all DV victims 🤮🤮🤮 It's gross and very telling of her motives. A REAL victim would have had NO problem telling their truth and convincing a jury of what happened. She destroyed her own case by repeatedly lying and gaslighting and manipulating. She's shown the world that women do lie about abuse, to great extents and that is how she let down real victims. She has potentially made it harder to be believed. But I also think maybe shes made it easier in a way. She showed everyone what a liar looks like, so now when a real victim comes forward it will be clear as day they're telling the truth. Hopefully.
The whole Amber thing is sickening!!! Amber is really a mentally ill woman. I fear for that child she bought….shes an abuser!!!!i hope CPS watches out for her actions!!!
The thing is, it would be so easy to simply say "I stand by my client, and I'm disappointed we could not convince the jury. However, we will continue to seek all avenues of remedy to this verdict". That's ALL that needed to be said.... Digging in deeper with allegations that have been rejected is to further discredit your case, in my view.
Yes, Elaine is cold and lacking in conscience, which may be a little of why she was so detached from the verdict and why she held back from following Amber. Maybe she's a little afraid of getting punched. I would be.
@@socratese5 The jury can apply to the court about launching a smear campaign of Elaine towards the jury. It is unfair for them, they have stayed anonymously for people, they cannot defense themselves. And also to follow the social media means that they broke the court rules, it must be chargeable for them. If I were a juror, I could open a trial to Elaine. 😄
As a DV/SA survivor, I've spent the days after the trial in a deep depression. Survivors knew she was lying, but now men everywhere are saying "see, you can't believe women." She's done so much to hurt us. Then Elaine wants her money, so of course she's doubling down, but her whole narrative is heinous and making things even worse.
Men are saying “Abuse has no gender”. That men can be victims of DV and often are and it’s never talked about. Female abusers are every bit as vile as a male abuser. I personally know this, having dealt with an abusive female just like Amber, I was happy to see this exposed. I was a DV victim. Just because you’re a male or female doesn’t exclude you from being an abuser and also doesn’t mean you’re telling the truth. Ppl believe who’s telling the truth,nobody’s gender determines the truth. This case was a big win for ALL Domestic Violence victims everywhere. That abusers of both genders need to be held accountable.
I don't think any of her lawyers want to say anything that can land them in court with the crazy lady willing to do so, either. So it's easier to just hold onto the narrative, plus there's the whole appeal thing they might be tied to. Lol
I agree completely. Likewise, a person who has been through what she claims knows she is lying. She did more harm and was/is disingenuous to all survivors. I hope you feel better soon.
The fact that she said that she's "sorry to all those women out there", I believe proves the AH didn't think that anyone would believe JD simply bc he's a man. Shouldn't her response been "to all those victims out there"? I wouldn't waste anymore of my reputation even trying to defend her.
No, because she was using the #metoo movement to prop herself up so relying on her gender to paint herself as a victim. Her target audience wasn't supporters of domestic abuse victims in general, it was the #alwaysbelievewomen crowd - mega feminists, misandrists, etc.
@@beataventura9247 SHE'S MISSING SOMETHING HUGE - MANY OF US WOMEN HAVE SONS, GRANDSONS, BROTHERS AND NEPHEWS WHOM WE DON'T WANT TREATED LIKE JOHNNY DEPP WAS TREATED FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS - ABUSED, CRITICIZED, BELITTLED AND DEMEANED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HIT OR ABUSE WOMEN OR MEN EITHER - SO IF A LIAR DECIDES TO RUIN ONE OF THEIR LIVES WITHOUT ANY PROOF - MEDICAL RECORDS THAT DOCUMENT IT, POLICE RECORDS THAT DOCUMENT IT - AND MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF RECORDINGS THAT PROVE THE FEMALE WAS LYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT HOW SHE HIT HIM OR ONE OF OUR FAMILY MEMBERS - THEN THIS NEEDS TO GENERATE A NEW SET OF STANDARDS FOR IPV AND DV INVESTIGATIONS AND DETERMINATIONS!!!! BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR EVERY MEMBER OF SOCIETY - NOT JUST ONE!! ## NOT YELLING - ALL CAPS BECAUSE OF VISION ISSUE! ##
I like how they kept going with the “she just wants it to be over/she wants to stop being dragged into this/she doesn’t want to have to do this anymore”….and now are like OH WE’RE DEFINITELY GOING TO APPEAL AND DRAG EVERYONE BACK IN
She only said that "I just want this to be over" to get the 100 millions but now she's screwed so she's being salty even more than her client. It's disgusting.
She’s broke, she’s not appealing because she doesn’t have six million dollars which is wha5 she paid for this trial’s legal fees. Amber will file bankruptcy and she will fade into the wood work. Johnny did what he set out to do and he has zero interest in doing to her what she did to him. She may end up doing lifetime movies for no money to pay her bills and she will probably it Elon up for child support
I know! I was thinking the exact same thing. it's insane. a true abuse victim\survivor, who lost a case against their abuser would not sit there &listen to the verdict without showing any shock, sadness, anger at the verdict that was just given by the jury. An abuse victim would be extremely upset & shocked to find out that the jury doesn't believe their claims of abuse. also, she just wants JD 5o let her move on & leave her alone etc but she keeps going after him with op-eds, claims of abuse, defamation, court trials etc seems to me that she's not leaving JD alone & is fighting him any way she can to try to stop him from moving on with his life.
She is ridiculous... the next trial will be worse for them!! The whole world seen all the evidence already and is part of the social media and has already formed their opinion so the next jury would for sure be against them and it might een end worse
The court of public opinion is all they have now and she knows they've lost that too, but she's giving it a go just like in actual court. I have no respect for Elaine, as an attorney or as a human, now.
Calling evidence “suppressed” when it was simply inadmissible under US law is bad enough. But then the example she gave *was literally in the trial.* They showed this email in the trial and questioned him about it!
As far as I can tell, literally anything she has brought up in her interviews was either not admissible in court, or *did* make it in, and shes just hoping that people didnt watch the trial to know that shes flat out lying.
I do not believe for one second that AH said, “I’m so sorry for all those women….”. AH didn’t do ANY of this for other women, she did it for herself; to better her own financial and social positions. AH hates the public currently, and only cares about what anyone is thinking or feeling about her because it’s largely negative. Almost everyone can see right through her and her mountain of lies and deceptions. I believe AH threw a FIT after the jury’s decisions. My evidence on my opinion is how quickly she left the courtroom; leaving her sister in the dust, scurrying behind. Her face and body language was that of an angry person.
Without a doubt,I would bet my life those words never came out of her mouth,she doesn't give a shit about all woman,unless its said in front of a camera to make her look all saintly,.This woman is trying to make Amber look like a innocent victim again but the world seen the truth,even though the media has countless articles defending Amber,one of the biggest and most obvious liars to ever take the stand,all pretending its a setback from all woman cause they can't accept that a woman can be a vile piece of shit,Thankfully so many seen the truth
Yes! She wasn't sad, or in any kind of anguish, like a victim watching their perpetrator win, would be. She was furious, thinking only of herself. She only cares about her needs and wants, she doesn't give two sh*ts about anyone else, ever! She's a terrible human being!
After the trial was over, you see amber heard mean mugging the lawyer and pissed off because she didn't win and then you see her leaving the court room without acknowledgement to her lawyers or anyone.😒😒😒😒
Elaine was incredibly unprofessional, condescending and rude to the people she cross examined. I have never seen a more inferior legal team in a high profile case. I could’ve cross-examined witnesses better than her. It’s disgusting that the click bait media keeps letting letting her on all the shows. She’s furthering Amber’s lies, it’s clear to the entire planet that Amber tried to ruin Johnny’s life and made everything up. She told somebody lies why isn’t she in jail for perjury?
Rottenborn had his misses, but I actually believe they would have a much better chance had he handled everything and just took Elaine's notes. Ben Chew put his stars forward, if you noticed, with women on women and men on men, plus Daniels on experts, right? No arrogance, nothing. He was really strong in opening statements - I think Elaine's arrogance is a problem here.
You should look at the Rittenhouse trial ... and what the prosecutors did. The judge got REALLY ANNOYED with them several times and started shouting at them (sadly he is a dog that only barks and never bites).
Has she, as a lawyer, gone on national TV and claimed amber had heaps of evidence that to prove she was abused? Where is it? Why didnt she show it in court if she was properly defending her client? She can only be blatently lying or completely incompetent. Either way her claims now make her look and sound like a complete fool...really bad for her reputation.
Some evidence is not admissible in court. The texts saying he cried when I told him he kicked you would not be admissible because it would be considered hearsay. That's why they redact everything than anybody else says in the text messages. That said, if it's not admissible in court, then how is it "heaps of evidence". It's not good evidence if it's hearsay.
It's such crap because the only evidence suppressed was evidence that doesn't hold up in the US court system. And the exact same thing happened to Johnny's side. The most substantial to me (which wasn't kept out because it was hearsay like ambers) was the Australian recording revealing that it WAS in fact Amber who cut off Johnny's fingertip. She's on the audio herself upset and saying she didn't mean to hurt him. And then the fact that their private Dr and nurse are having (what they thought was) a private conversation and are discussing that Amber is the problem and is clearly feeling guilty, says a lot. And the fact act that at no point are they asking Amber if she's OK or acting likes she's been injured and needs help at all. Which according to Amber's story was the case. (Busted lip, broken nose, black eye etc.) There's no way we wouldn't have heard that addressed on the recording. And the kicker about all of this to me is that Amber is the one who was secretly recording all of this. Pretty obvious she had forgot she even had it going.
Exactly! She admitted on the stand she has no medical records for not one of her faked injuries! Not one! Elaine is going to start a whole new trial if she keeps talking badly about JD!
Good observation. I forgot about that. This is why it was so good for the trial to go public. People who can be swayed back to Amber and all those lies, can be reminded by people like you. Thanks for this😉
@@HeidiGelling On AH's original redirect Elaine was trying to get an ENT record entered into evidence improperly (AH is not an expert witness - she can't speak to the medical record's contents), hence the flurry of objections - I think that's probably the medical record. It's from after the relationship and supposedly showed scar tissue in her nose, which could have many causes
Analysis: During the past court proceedings, Amber was seen sitting in the front passenger seat, but now she's in the back seat where she cant be seen, so she can probably flip out in the car and express her anger about the verdict. Amber's sister grabs her phone as to either contact sum1 or to look on social media. And Amber didn't say bye to the guards or even acknowledge them like she did in the past, which shows her true nasty colors as a person. SIDENOTE: IDK how the hell Amber actually thought she was going to win that case. That's beyond my comprehension!
I think Whitney is getting ready to post that Instagram post that was so quick after the verdict was read. If I am not mistaken it was posted 4 minutes after the verdict was read and she stormed off. I also think that she sat in the back so that she can actually vent her real and true emotions and not be seen.
The only reason Amber was polite to the guards was that there were lots of TH-cam and tiktok videos of JD doing it which showed how considerate he was. Amber was obsessing about the social media coverage.
It's hilarious how much Elaine pushed the "15min of fame" narrative with a lot of witnesses in the trial, and yet here she is, taking up any and all invites for interviews lmao. The projection is strong in this one
I didnt watch all of the trial, i only saw where she said the 15 minutes of fame comment to the TMZ employee, did she actually say that to more than one witness? if so, wow. definitely strong projection there.
Thank you for the little section on Nate Burleson. I don’t watch that show so I didn’t know of him before but he came across extremely well and he’s clearly very perceptive. I feel like I want to see more of him now, i would never have guessed that TV wasn’t his initial career, like you said - his question and the way he posed it was fantastic. He was basically saying “evaluate your own mistakes, don’t blame others”, but the way he humanised it with his own experiences was spot on.
"I'm so sorry to all those women out there." is definitely something AH should be saying - just not for the reason she and her team are making it out to be. The major set back for ALL (notice how her narrative still keeps omitting men) victims of DV is her lying about it and destroying a man's life over it.
She was judged by a jury, and by the public. But she doesn't want 'this' to be over, because she's after THE ATTENTION. Still trying to ride his celebrity coat tails, she makes a point of referring to him as her ex-husband. She wants to remind the world that she WAS once, ever so briefly, married, to a mega star. IF we all STOP PAYING ATTENTION to her, the talk shows won't give her or her attorney any more airtime. Let's help put an end to her malice, by not tuning in, or even mentioning her name. SHHHhhh... 😎🤓
“She had more evidence than what most people do” this is like writing a shitty research paper and then saying I had a lot of pages and references… but your actual research didn’t say anything or prove a hypothesis.
when amber made the statement on the stand during her final rebuttal testimony about having more evidence than most people do, by that point in the trial with all her other credibility issues that came out, it seemed really disingenuous. felt more like she was saying, hey I manufactured more evidence... and that she thought gathering more "evidence" would seal the deal so she created what she thought she needed.
I can't wait to see this!! Elaine "what if any" is the one who's draining of her 15 minutes fame as much as possible, is like she casted as a clown lawyer on a reality show trial and got stuck in the role. But no fiction could beat this, is amazing. Thanks Spidey, I've learned a lot because of this channel, love it!
For the record, "What if any' is a legit phrase with a legal purpose. Depp's side also used the phrase. The problem is that she was trying to use it to sidestep objections that were still valid with or without the phrase.
Elaine "I'm trying" Bredehoft Elaine "Amber, get the fuck up" Bredehoft Elaine "your 15 minutes of fame" Bredehoft Elaine "muffins" Bredehoft Hey, she's got meme material, what can I say?
I'm so glad you used the term "gaslighting" because I felt like I'm being gaslighted by AHs team the whole time during the trial, especially during the closing statement. It was messed up. 😳
Camille asked Amber if she had medical records of when she got “hit”. And she said she didn’t have any. But now Elaine is saying she couldn’t have that evidence in court.
Yeah, because the “evidence” is just hearsay. It’s Amber’s written notes about what the doctor (allegedly) told her. Amber’s own writings are her “medical records” that weren’t allowed.
She was using medical records and mental health records synonymously. She is stating a false narrative as notes from your therapist are not medical documents.
I imagine the first thing out of Amber's mouth post verdict wasn't suitable for morning television! Also you are so right about the hug. My first time in court was for a custody hearing, I was terrified. It was out of state and I was alone, and I only met my attorney in person, 30 minutes beforehand. When it was over and I had won, (My ex had no contact for 6 years, filed and was awarded custody without my knowledge, then tried to have me arrested for kidnapping a child who had been with me since I gave birth to him), my wonderful attorney turns to me and smiles and says "you look like you need a hug," and he gave me a great big bear hug. That unexpected moment of genuine kindness, released all my anxiety and terror. The fact that Amber's attorney's have no real emotional connection with their client speaks volumes especially when juxtaposed with how cohesive and supportive Johnny's team is with him and each other.
@@cozzyscreatures9198 they're saying Amber's lawyers don't have a genuine emotional connection with her. They were falling out throughout the entire trial, and didn't even share happiness when things were going right
I think it’s so interesting how she kept telling people in court they were there for their 15 minutes of fame but who is doing interviews after the trial getting her 15 minutes of fame😂😂
I'm sure TV stations reached out to both sides for an interview, but the losing team is understandably the ones who would accept. Depp's team has nothing further to say, case closed. Of course, AH's team needs to go on record to make excuses and try to continue the lie that SHE is the victim. If they kept quiet, AH would probably sue them for not doing a good enough job representing her.
@@christinecat7466 Lawyers don’t have to do publicity that’s what publicist are for and they have a very big team she didn’t have to be the one to go do the talkshows she just wanted her 15 minutes of fame
I’ve been disgusted watching Amber Heard throughout this case. I have been through many counts of abuse through my life, mostly sexual and emotional trauma. My first abuse started when I was just 5 years old, when a female schoolmate claimed me as her “best friend punching bag” and would molest me, beat me, choke me, poison me, and isolate me from others. Her mother, who was also my Girl Scout Troop leader, would also touch me and look at me inappropriately, force me to shower with her daughters, threaten me, isolate me, and lock me in the basement. I was always blamed, and even witnesses to the abuse never helped me. This abuse lasted until sixth grade when this family moved away. We had no cell phones or digital stuff back then, so I had no proof other than my word and the cuts and bruises. My mother suspected nothing, and I was too ashamed and scared to tell her. I know my mom would have killed her if she had known what was happening back then. The actual trauma is nothing compared to never having someone stand up for me, protect me, or clear my name. Since then, I have come to terms with the abuse, but I have never recovered from the total lack of protection, and my voice never being taken into consideration. When I have watched this trial, all I can think is how privileged this woman was to be able to have a platform and technology to capture real proof of her alleged abuse, and she *wasted* it, and totally blew it off like it wasn’t important to her to capture. My abuse WAS every single day, and sometimes overnight. It WAS commonplace and expected. I NEVER stopped trying to get someone to help me at school, even as a introverted traumatized 5 year old. I NEVER stopped telling that horrible woman that I did nothing wrong and I wanted to go home to my mother. How an abuse survivor could be questioned about her abuse and talk about it so nonchalantly and flippantly is so beyond my comprehension. I don’t have to hear a single word of her testimony. I can clearly see by her act that she is faking it all. She behaves just like the little girl who used to beat me and laugh at my crying, who would deny ever touching me even though I was still red from her standing over me and slapping me for a full minute only moments prior. If I lost this case, it would be EXTREMELY hard to control my reaction. I would be ugly crying. I certainly wouldn’t be sitting in interviews telling the media “of course they believed him, I don’t blame them.” WTF. Seriously. This whole thing is gross. She uses a Me Too movement as a tool to gaslight the public for her own selfish publicity. How dare she use us “rando’s” like that. Pitiful and disgusting. Thank you Spidey for helping me understand why her behavior makes my skin crawl. Before, I couldn’t understand why I just couldn’t believe her. Now I have words for it. Thank you.
I really wish you get better and better throughout the days .It's not easy to say that you will forget what happened to you because IT IS NOT easy at all! But I trust that you will overcome it some day and find peace in your life🤍 wish all best . may you recover soon lovely human🤍
If Elaine continues this way, hopefully Johnny Depp's lawyers can file something against her for defamation and make her stop spreading new lies, and/or repeating Amber's lies. Also, this verdict is actually a win for DV victims, and sends the message to victims to speak up. Depp spoke up even when the abuser had set a wall of lies that were hard to break through.
The MeToo movement isn't about believing all women, its about believing victims and giving them a fair shot in court since we also need to believe the accused are innocent until proven guilty. I absolutely agree that this wasn't a loss for DV victims, it was definitely a winning case.
Johnny Depp winning was a huge break through for men suffering in silence in fear that they won’t be taken serious. Even amber was mocking Johnny asking who would actually believe a man of his status was an actual victim. It’s truly sad but I sure hope this encourages all survivors to speak up. It took me years to do so and it was the best desicion I’ve ever made.
@@alexaa1993 I've been saying that since the beginning. JD being the spokesperson for male DV survivors is great. He's basically an average size male that most men can relate to in one way or another. This is great for DV survivors of any gender.
I have been extremely invested in this case, and her mentioning the UK trial as a win for them, makes me mad! That was an extremely unfair trial, and half the evidence they allowed in that was hearsay! But I’ve read all the transcripts from that trial and the multiple changes in the Amber’s story, even the smallest of details is mind blowing! And I can I just say I absolutely love your videos on this case!
Let's not forget that Amber did not sue Depp in the UK. Depp had sued the sun and lost. AH was a witness in the UK, the Sun vs. JD! Both AH & her attorney are full of BS.
I’ve only read up to day three, and i was flabbergasted to learn that they use newspaper and celebrity rags as evidence!! So in that case, since the Sun, a media outlet, calls JD a WB, it’s obviously evidence, since it’s printed in a paper? Mindless and mind numbing. And scrambling around trying to find exhibits was WAY more of a farce than the US trial that the media was calling a circus.
@@marianneerni2509 exactly. And the standard was not actually proving Heards claim. Just did the Sun have reason at that time to knowing think she was lying. That's a pretty low bar. It also means that they can say the next day they learned she was lying but on that day they went to press based on what she alone said...seemed as likely as not.
What I'm so pissed about is Amber trying so hard to declare this a loss for women who experience domestic violence.Yes, this case made it harder for any women who really suffer from domestic abuse. No, Jonny did not cause this setback, and no the jury didn't either. YOU did, Amber. YOU DID with your lies. Do not presume to speak for women suffering from thsi kind of abuse. How dare you!
@William Tell its a setback for all dv victims because it makes light of abuse. its a setback because many dv victims are women, so when a woman lies about it, its fucking awful! because nobody believes us to begin with! to have a liar be believed? yeah it will definitely fuel someones bigotry. yes, in recent years we were "taught" to believe domestic violence/abuse. yes, there are many male dv victims, and they are not believed. it is however, mostly men who do not believe abuse victims, and more so male victims. they are taught to be strong, by other men, and if a woman is hitting you its not abuse, youre just a sissy. its toxic masculinity and mysogyny at its core. it hurts men just as much, if not more, than it hurts women. men have always had the power, and that makes it worse for men because they are never believed, because its a sign of femininity, weakness, its synonymous. it makes it harder for women to be believed and taken seriously over abuse at a time when we were finally making progress. it makes it extremely hard for men to be believed at all, because this whole trial was publicized like a circus and the media focused on the ridiculous parts to joke about them or make jokes about domestic violence, which fuels peoples biases that men cant be abused. its a set back for dv victims of any gender.
She's a sociopath. She couldn't care less about the truth. Her "win" is getting people to believe her lies. And when she beats the breaks off of her next partner (or, goodness forbid, her child), I don't want to hear the same news sources try to act like they didn't believe her. Because they're complicit by supporting her lies instead of showing her that she can't get away with that behavior. SMDH
There is a difference between a violent toxic relationship and a Domestic Abusive relationship. If two people are constantly fighting each other, violent verbally and physically to each other you don't claim Domestic Abuse. And I believe those two were toxic to each other and Amber tried to pass this as DA. Is like when a woman decides to fight with a man and makes it his fault when she loses the fight, by saying he is the stronger sex. Both men and women need to keep their hands to themselves. We as women want equality and it comes with good and bad. We can't hit a man say , our hits are not as bad as his.
As I’ve been watching these videos about Amber and JD I just can’t stop thinking how horrible someone has to be to put another person they supposedly “loved” through so much. It’s crazy to me how people can hurt someone and be okay with lying about it
“I’m going to try really hard to not bring my personal opinion into this but personally I despise that answer” 😂 l love how you said that! Please DO share your personal option! I’m sure we all share it anyway! 😉
Yup. There was another good one around min. 20:20 where he says: ...Elaine's trying to humanize Amber.. 🤣 However neutral you try to be, your opinion slips through by the words you select. I'm fine with knowing your opinion.
First: Amber. Does. Not. Represent. Women. It makes me sick that her team is pushing the narrative of “this ruling is a setback for all women.” If anything, it’s a “setback” for women who exploit the Me Too movement to make false abuse claims with the intent to ruin someone’s life. Second: These interviews only destroyed Elaine’s image to me. During the trial, I felt bad for her because I thought she was struggling to defend an indefensible case and was getting flack from Amber. Now that she’s done these appearances and doubled down on Amber’s narrative, I have no sympathy. She’s a terrible lawyer and a sore loser.
Doesn’t represent me. If she does believe this was a “set back for DV women” , or even her own heartbreak, where were her silent tears? When someone is truly heartbroken, there are tears that come, with no effort and no crying sound.
You know, when they read the verdict it reminded me a lot of murder trials. When someone has just been through a trail trying to convince people of their innocence, and when the guilty verdict is read out they are a little sad that they didn't get away with it, but almost accepting at the same time because they know they're guilty. Thats what Ambers face looked like to me.
It could also be that Amber was dissociating from the situation as she’s hearing the verdict read. She’s closing in on herself and not making eye contact with anyone. Some people shut down instead of weep. She might also be trying to keep it all in so she can cry when she’s not in public-she looks like she’s about to burst into tears once she exits the building. If she had been crying her eyes out during the verdict, people might judge her for being hysterical and not acting like an adult. I’m not taking sides, mind you. I’m simply pointing out something that could be happening psychologically and that I’m surprised wasn’t mentioned in this video as a possibility.
@@LaCeiba1924 that is fair to say. But I would also add that if she was dissociating then it is likely because she did not want to accept the verdict because she hoped that she could essentially con and gaslight the jury. Mentally, she could not accept that people did not believe her, just as she alluded to in that recording...i.e. tell the world Johnny, tell the world and see if they believe you. She was incredulous that they did believe him
First of all, I was suprised when I learned that Elaine was one of the best lawyer in America. I think she was too confident, and didn’t expect a second that a associate as Camille would have been so powerful, structured and not intimidated by Elaine’s experience. Second of all, Elaine seems to be concern by her lost, not Amber’s. She was taking notes for herself without worrying about the team. Actually, it was obvious they weren’t from the same firm. No chemistry at all between them. Also, Amber didn’t thank her entire team. It was like as everyone was also scared of her.
If Elaine was one of the best laywers in America then that explains why our justice system is so fked. If an incompetent lier like her is considered "one of the best" honestly pathetic
I did feel sorry for Elaine before, I heard people who were there say she kept crying after court and even arguing with AH, she was trying to do her job, but after spewing that nonsense on the news I don't feel sorry. This isn't a loss for women. She doesn't represent victims.
I agree however I'm wondering if Elaine was a victim of DV or SA and it's unresolved and she keeps fighting for this really for herself psychologically
Other lawyers have pointed out that after such a long and arduous trial most lawyers would have this normal emotional sort of “breakdown” at the end just because they have been under so much stress and fueled by adrenaline. That made sense to me. But also she could have been emotional due to the pressure from Amber herself who probably was trying to demand things to be done her way the whole time. And well, they loss. Elaine has to have realized all the things that went wrong, the lies, the pictures that were doubled up that everyone saw, those really made them look so so bad
A lot of people said this about Elaine. I'm not saying Elaine is a narcissist, but this is a similar example of how narcisstic people & full narcissists can gain sympathy, then turn it around and make people regret it. Our empathy makes us give everyone the benefit of doubt, without first finding out if they're trustworthy.
@@eclecticdragonfly6824 Dont make it that complicated: Elaine is a FEMINIST and thus is DEDICATED TO THE FIGHT AGAINST MEN. Remember Dr. "I never defend men - unless it is against other men - because they are GUILTY BY DEFAULT" Hughes? You can ascribe the same attitude to Elaine! FEMINISM IS EVIL and it is a RELIGION where you "listen and BELIEVE" and NEVER QUESTION!
On the point of Elaine's "it's a tale of 2 trials, Johnny had his chance to tell the truth in London..." - I watched a video of a Barrister from the UK reviewing the trial verdict from the UK trial and the amount of things the judge completely disregarded as evidence in Johnny's favour was shocking. The judge actually said the audio recording of amber saying "I wasn't punching you I was hitting you, you're such a baby" etc. wasn't as strong evidence as testimony in court due to the fact that witnesses have to swear under oath in court. But Amber has proven to the world she can boldly lie about evidence right in front of her under oath in court. They were also able to use past indiscretions in the UK trial and the judge didn't have any issue with Amber asking if should could get her former assistant make a false statement or that she took her dogs into Australia illegally and had tried to lie and falsify documents for that too. So basically the UK trial verdict was a shit show from a corrupt judge who had connections to the newspaper Johnny was suing!
This jury saw what we saw. Johnny and his team organized the truth! Men can be abused too. Amber just needs to go away and get the help we all think she needs!
There's also an audio recording from Johnny's former bodyguard Mr judge who passed away that this court did not allow to come in because he wasn't there to testify, where the bodyguard said that Amber knew what she was doing and that in effect Amber did cut off Johnny's finger.
The other glaring issue with Elaine B.'s "tale of 2 trials" is, the UK trial was the Sun proving that the statement they made wasn't false, nor defamation. How do they prove it? By AH giving her testimony and witnesses backing up that she has said these things. The point wasn't to prove that what she said was true, only that she did indeed say it. Since she did say it, it wasn't defamation. The law and the truth don't always come to an agreement, especially because the law is much more concerned with definitions rather than morality. That being said, I do think it's necessary for the law to be that way, and a jury helps to balance it.
What annoys me is that on every JD witness, she tells them they are trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. Now who’s going around doing TV interviews?
Something that I haven't heard anyone mention is Amber's deep need to protect her ego at all costs. I believe she would rather die than let her detractors get the satisfaction of seeing her cry or appear vulnerable in any way. I've seen this in her consistently, and it also explains why she got so heated when saying, "I've NEVER referred to myself as a victim!" She sees being a victim as weakness, and she's too proud to admit she might be weak in any way. It's common in people with personality disorders.
Not all survivors show weakness though. Some are proud. Pride isn't a personality disorder. It's a character trait. She's a very pretty woman. Johnny is very charismatic. I think we have a mutually explosive abuse couple. Takes 2 to tango...
Honestly, during the trial I had sympathy for Elaine. She did what she could with what her client gave her. The fact she’s not washing her hands of this trial straight away and is in fact doubling down on the how it is setting woman back narrative. I have zero sympathy, she’s horrendous.
I agree with you 100%... Elaine basically failed in her professional capacity as a lawyer on many levels, as this excellent review of behavior analysis demonstrates. Yes Amber was a nightmare client, but Elaine was paid well and should be up to the task. Elaine is just a poor loser who's trying to save her own career with all her scripted responses. She's just trying to avoid responsibility, by finger pointing at others including her own client. She's merely demonstrating and verifying that she's a pathetic attorney by dissembling thinly veiled lies and false narratives. She's proved that every time she repeated the same scripted lies like a mindless Tickle me Elmo puppet.
I agree during trial it was ELAINE has a job to do but after seeing the interviews I was thinking how horrendous her behaviour is an continuing to be to act as the Jury's Verdict Has Set All Women back to the Dark Ages is Offensive to the Women who have been thru DV Abuse and When You Tell the Truth it Doesn't Change Ever so i feel as though Amber ELAINE Rottenbourn has been Gaslighting the Entire World and ELAINE accused everyone on Johnny Depp Witnesses of Wanting 15mins of fame an ow They are all Quite an ELAINE is doing every interview she can get just to spit venom an distaste an Misinformation about both the UK an US Trials
I think alot of people feel this way .... we thought she was just representing amber the best she could.. but now that she's doing all these interviews still backing amber, it makes everyone not like her.
Yep, so true, when I heard she was crying alone in the bathroom afterwards made me feel sad for her since it wasn’t her fault she was dealt a bad case to argue But then when she’s backing it with ‘confidence’ thinking they should’ve won it, yet dodges questions, makes me regret the sympathy, she’s almost as bad as Amber herself
My personal experience with DV is that when confronted with the situation to a third party or the public...the abuser gets louder and tries to dominate the narative while the abused person gets quieter. This is what I saw at the trial and why I believed JD. I have witnessed this dynamic with both men and women in the abuser role.
that's a good point, and one that doesn't get brought up as much (not because people forget, but I think because there's just SO MUCH to compare this trial to)
And abusers isolate the victim from friends and family. Johnny housed her friends and family free of charge in the same building JD and amber lived. That's quite the opposite of isolation.
This is a huge part of what makes me so nervous about the push to "always believe the victim." It seems to me that victims are often the ones to try to defend their abusers ("it's not like that, he/she is just in pain, they need my help," etc), while abusers are more than happy to make claims that isolate their victim and gives them control of the narrative. I think it's well intentioned, but it's hopelessly naive to think that this mindset will help at all, when I can only see it making things much, much worse.
@@eyesofthecervino3366 Yes, like sweet Gabby Petito didn't want her abusive boyfriend getting into trouble, while that jerk let her take the blame while he got put up in taxpayer funded lodging! 😔😔😔
Evidence is “suppressed” when it is unreliable or prejudiced! Ben Chew would have had to show proof that her evidence was unreliable BEFORE the trial began. In order to succeed on a motion to suppress, Ben must’ve presented sufficient factual information and apply specific laws to those facts to convince the judge that her evidence was illegal. This to me says that JDs team DID “play fair” and that Judge Nichols in the UK ALLOWED illegal evidence and here Elaine is on national television bragging about it! 🤦🏽♀️
Certainy that the UK judge allowed different evidence. Keep in mind their laws are different, including what they allow as evidence. It's also true that timing played a part - for example, the UK judge used Heard's pledge to donate as evidence that she was probably wasn't a gold digger as accused. He extended the statement to her character to her, and he likely took the accusation as a statement about Depp's willingness to sling mud, and honestly at that point in time that was probably a reasonable conclusion. Now in the US trial that same pledge going unfulfilled, and the ways she tried to avoid admitting that, did the opposite - it eroded her character and bolstered his. It became a case of "See? I told you before and you didn't believe me, but I was right - what else have I been telling you all along?"
there is also evidence that didn't make it from depp, like the audio where amber literally says "i didnt do it on purpose" talking about johnny's finger
I remember Camille once said in an interview that she could spot the difference in the dynamic she had with the team where they all had each other's backs, and that it seemed as though that was completely absent in Amber's team, they where working as a group but not really as a team.
I am a survivor of domestic violence, I could see Amber was lying on the stand from the get-go, there were no tears she was addressing the jury it was disgusting to watch this woman blatantly lie over and over again. And she couldn't remember all of her lies so some things would get jumbled it was just disgusting can you imagine if an abusive male got on the stand and was crying victim people would be outraged
I also actually went through DV and could also tell she was lieing and it also makes me angry she really hurt women, same with the Kavanagh trial and the lieing cow that accused him. People need to stop making false accusations as a weapon to get what they want.
I saw so much behaviour of an abuser shown in that court, the body language, the phrases, the bitter streak. All of these showed quite conclusively, for me, that the abuser here was Heard and it was sickening to watch.
@@anitawatch what Kavanagh trial? Are you saying you don't believe Blasey Ford but you believe a guy who couldn't keep his composure while being asked basic & routine questions during his confirmation hearing? A grown man who, during a judicial confirmation hearing to determine whether he should sit on the highest court in the land, couldn't remain calm, threatened those he viewed as opposition, literally cried & just short of threw a tantrum, he became combative when asked about his drinking, literally _yelled_ in response when confronted with several interrogatories, evaded direct questions, & deflected any question he didn't feel like answering? Not to mention we now know he lied in his response to questions about roe v wade. Is this the temperament of a judge? Is this the behavior of someone that we, as a country, can depend on as unbiased & rational when presented with the variety of cases & litigants that will come before him as a judge? I've never seen anything like his confirmation hearing, it was a circus & he was the clown. And by lying about any one thing, he's shown he will lie about anything. He was unable to hold his composure when he was confronted with Ford's allegations & behaved exactly opposite of the way we saw Depp behave, yet he was falsely accused?
I SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN: THIS LAWYER HAS NO ETHICS. SHE HAS MUCH RAGE AND ANGER TOWARDS JOHNY, AND IS LITERALLY GASLIGHTING HIM IN THESE INTERVIEWS. SHE NEEDS TO STOP SPREADING THESE LIES!
Eh, I don't think that's fair. I still don't think she should be hired, but I don't think this specifically is a good reason. She can be reflective in private without airing it out on public television. I'm sure she has plenty of things she regrets about the trial, but airing those things publicly would likely to more to harm her and Amber's image than help. At the end of the day, she's only doing these interviews in order to attempt to improve the public perception of herself and Amber. Anything that could be perceived negatively towards either of them will be dodged because that's simply not why she's there.
@@XdivineExp I agree… I thought it was a good question, but wondered how she could possibly answer it truthfully without giving away too much information. So she didn’t…
The fact she is ranked number 1 as the best attorney in her state city is appalling especially after the stunt she pulled on talk shows. It's almost like she cheated on every exam or just really dense thinking people can believe what she says as true. It's one thing to be a lawyer for a perp and defend them by playing devil's advocate but to do this and not even be on the clock for your lawyer position is way different. This lawyer is bad.
Thank you. For the longest time I was like, I know she is lying (take she as Elaine or AH ) but could never explain why. Watching you, listening to you, you put into words what my instinct was shouting at me but I could never articulate. You are a very talented man, much respect to you.
My perception of the ending part, where Amber and her team leave - with a huge time and space delay between them - is this: Amber, as we heard in the segments of audio played during the trial, can be quite aggressive when she is frustrated. I believe no one asked her "are you ok?" because they all know it could ignite some kind of furious behavior, and that includes her sister. In other words, everybody is afraid, or rather terrified, of Amber's reaction after losing the case. That's why the team waits a long time before she leaves, they want to take some space from the real abuser in this case.
You know I haven't thought about that but I think you're right on the money. I'm incredibly curious how well she was able to hold her temper behind the scenes. It's possible that Elaine sees her as" the victim" simply because she's female.. if they were both being aggressive then, to some people , the female would automatically fall into the victim role in their mind. Regardless of the reality of the situation. I do feel sorry for her. I hope somehow she finds the self-awareness to start working on herself- to actually realize she needs to. Until someone chooses to try to improve, it doesn't matter how many therapists they see. I hope she can find stability and happiness with...,& For her child.
I felt the same. You can feel everyone's tension through the screen. The first thing I thought when they were walking out was, "I'd hate to be in that car with her after this." I think Whitney looks aggressive because she's preparing herself for the absolute tirade Amber is about to go on.
I came here to say this... someone as volatile as Amber would not receive the same deference or attention normal people receive. those around her would avoid her
What makes the verdict “surprising” is that when they went into the trial Amber had the law on her side, the law wasn’t on Johnny’s. It is very hard to prove defamation, the odds were stacked against Johnny but he had so much evidence and Amber didn’t the sides switched. A lot of lawyers only thought that Johnny would win on only one count but he won all three. The jury saw through Amber and said that by law she was lying. Elaine just needs to except defeat and move on, she’s only digging her own grave at this point.
Elaine's behavior during the trial was ridiculously unprofessional, she should be disbarred immediately! She's also taking her 15 minutes of Fame & continues to defame Johnny! Awful woman
It's very telling to me that all of the people around Amber are vehemently defending her. Elaine, Dr. Hughes it's like they feel personally consumed by it and yet Amber's friends and even the ex make up artist and coach distanced themselves and they all said something similar about hanging out with more people, or the make up artist who was like I had to move on it was too consuming. If someone is losing everyone it's not everyone else's fault
The fact that they sued JD for comments his lawyer said and then shes here saying all this things and using quotes shows you how lunatic these people are! They live in another planet!
Have you ever heard a *viable* explanation as to *how* Johnny was responsible for the words that came out of another person's mouth? I'm absolutely baffled by this *win* for Amber. If you personally don't know I really hope someone else will jump in and tell me! We all know that we can only control ourselves, not anyone else. How does Lady Justice see this differently?
This is where Elaine practices law, I can't imagine that she has the respect of any Judge, Attorney, Court Reporter, Bailiff, or potential jury member in the entire state of Virginia.
Exactly. Thank you. People are praising that dumb nfl player for basically saying to take some accountability, how about point out clearly ambers so called evidence and so called witnesses all fell flat on their face and how about all of JD’s evidence and witnesses testaments all added up. And more importantly is this a step back for women or a step back for people who think they can lie in court and ruin someone …. But nah not of them did that. If you ask me they let Elaine have it easy …. No surprise there though.
Elaine to me looks like she was trying to defend her own reputation as a lawyer. She was not a very strong lawyer, her tactics didn't work and she was even petty at some points during the trial. They took to mocking JD in hopes that they could sway the jury. It only made it worse! Elaine going on talk shows is a joke and only makes AH look even WORSE! You are absolutely right about her behavior and how she reacted to what should be devastating news! She looked angry and her sister wasn't even upset for her supposed abused sister.
Agree, she is she lost the case now it is more about saving her own reputation. I dont think she cares a dot about AH any longer, its about her and her reputation.
If there were medical records, Amber would have leaked them. At least in the aftermath of this trial. What Elaine says is pure bs, trying to blame it on someone else.
OF COURSE!! That's one of the first pieces of evidence you use in a DV case!!! C'mon Amber Turd and Elaine, the curtain was drawn, JUSTICE served now sit TF down...
@@bethfrench9064 the therapist notes are the only medical records, she used them in the UK trial so she’s still trying to used them in this trial even though they are inadmissible because they are hearsay. She’s also tried to get in notes from an ENT but that’s hearsay too. You have to have the ENT testify and she could have had her nose broken from a fall, plastic surgery or any number things. My mum used to tell me I broke my nose as a baby jumping out of my crib. It was never fixed as far as I know and it’s never shown up in a x-ray (but I guess baby noses are pretty malleable maybe).
As a woman who has being through an abusive relationship, that comment about and Amber's tweet about disappointing us, makes me angry everytime I hear it. I don't want to be used against someone who has actually suffered through same things as I have.
I was actually fine with Elaine doing interviews, do what you want. The thing that was so infuriating was the misinformation that she was spewing to the American people.
I emailed Bredehoft and Chew about her ethical boundaries, and her thin ice talk which perpetuates the defamation settlement in favor of Mr. Depp. She is egregiously misrepresenting the case and casting blame on the JURY! Really bad shxt.
It’s clear Elaine Bredihoft wrote Amber Heard’s twitter reaction to the verdicf, after ‘I have no words’. And it is Bredihoft whose career is predicated not only on defending women, but also in righting a judicial imbalance against female victims of SV and DV. I think Spidey was right to bring up Festinger, in that ‘the cult’ in which Bredihoft is invested is, on a personal and professional level, decades in the making for her. Unfortunately, she had a very poor client, with flimsy supportive evidence of that larger narrative. That said - I don’t believe she’s a bad lawyer. It’s just a shame she’s pinned her tail on this particular ‘Dawn Coyote’, aka Amber.
Sure, she can do interviews, but the thing that annoys me is she accused everyone else of looking for their 15 minutes of fame. But what is she doing? I think that TMZ guy was onto something
I was a paralegal at a law firm who represented many abuse victims. I've never seen a lawyer and victim act the way Elaine and AH acted when the verdict was read! It just reinforces my belief that AH is a vindictive liar. Also, it seems to me that Elaine wants to extend her time in the spotlight and "prove" she's actually a great attorney.....the judge and jury just got it wrong.
In a previous video he mentioned that people hire the lawyer they jive with best...I see lots of similarities between the two. No matter what she says or does now, her career as a lawyer is circling the drain.
It is interesting that Amber and Johnny chose legal teams similar to their own character and emotional makeup. Depp and his team developed an incredible, genuine connection and sense of purpose. This was reflected in their calm, measured approach to the case. Amber Heard chose a team that was emotionally disconnected from their client and demonstrated shallow, ineffective actions. They (specifically Elaine) were muddled and had a very confused disjointed approach.
Eloquent and accurate account of your observations of what you and all of us saw. We agree with you because we saw it, too. I feel insensed with Elaine's gaslighting since the verdict and AH's over the top behaviour during her testimonies. I'm impressed how telling behaviour is. It really does speak louder than words. I believed JD all along. He is believalbe when he is creating and retelling experiences, probably what makes me a fan for many years. I watched the trial and avoided headlines to stay in context and learn how storytelling via the law gets to the truth. You are awesome at analysing behaviour. Great video.
The vast majority thought the judgement in the UK was a travesty, after watching the trial. Then it turns out that the judge had a conflict of interests, and retired immediately afterwards.
When Elaine is saying what Amber "said", "I am so sorry to all these women!" Nate responds, "She said that?" And to me, in my opinion, it was very clear he was asking that because immediately when she said it, he did NOT believe it was true that Amber actually said that, but that Elaine was making it up as part of her plan to make Amber into a hero. And then Elaine answered so quickly, "Yes!" I do not believe for one second that Amber said that.
I think he was surprised, thinking that Amber admitted to her lawyer that she had let women down with her false accusations. Honestly, that was the first thing that came to me when he responded with shock.
It reminded me of the reported time of the Jimmy whatever interview supposedly after time #32 that JD almost beat AH to a pulp* (*"allegedly", lol), where AH said to someone (the makeup artist??), "Can you believe I just did that [show] with two black eyes?" ... planting fake "evidence" and rumors for later use. So, yes, I can believe AH said the "all those women" part somehow, maybe just not first thing. Probably more in line with a PR statement that was ready to go.
The fact that Elaine put so much time in discrediting the witnesses, suggesting they only were there for their moment of fame, mentioning the money they got from Johnny, buying muffins etc shows how empty of true evidence their case was. It looks like they knew they had nothing to defend AH but to continue to smear and that’s what she’s still doing now after the verdict.
Something like that shouldn't be allowed. The jury, the judge and the witnesses have to be protected. Nobody else went to the main stream media. That would be awful if everybody would do that.
Yeah JD should sue her for defamation on the same grounds that they brought up his former lawyers remarks on. Since they held him responsible for someone else’s comments, shouldn’t AH be held responsible for these defamatory interviews Elaine is now doing? I mean apples to apples right????
The muffins! Aren't good attorneys supposed to know the answer to their questions? Geeez...it was like Amber handed her a sticky note saying "her husband knew I was coming in because he brought the muffins for us!"
Amber wasn’t sad she was Angry. Petulant and pissed off. As her temper is legendary her team was afraid to touch her or go into the room where she was. Can you imagine the tirade she unleashed on them? Sad that denotes some kind of softer emotions which Amber doesn’t have. Anger. Wanting to punish Johnny. Elaine is trying to paint her with some kind of nobility. It’s impossible to believe anything this woman is saying.
@@michael-4k4000 Your comment makes no sense. amber is constantly angry and constantly telling lies. Maybe not a karen, but she is an *amber* and that's not a good thing.
I've never felt so strongly that someone (who I don't know) is lying as much as I have Amber Heard. It's insulting to me as a man who has never been abused. I can just imagine how infuriating this is to real victims of abuse, especially women. My social worker friend who works with abused women is equally disgusted. Real victims don't act like that. They cry, have breakdowns. There's lots of moisture, awkwardness, and redness!
The anger I have towards amber, for her trying to make out she’s an “advocate” for people like me who have been assaulted, it makes me sick. She doesn’t represent shit, apart from the one she left in the bed. I knew she was a liar back in 2016 when her deposition came out and I watched it. Reminded me of a couple of ex’s that were abusive. I knew from the beginning she was a nasty, narcissistic abuser
Elaine keeps talking about the UK trial. That trial wasn't against A Heard it was against the Sun a rag news paper like thos cheap things in the grocery stores. Another thing; there was no jury only a judge who found Johnny guilty. I saw an attorney from the UK who explained what happened. He said in the UK he is called a Barrister those guys who wear a black robe and a white wig. They are the people who actually go to court, but someone else prepares the case and the other is a ( ? can't remember ) I think he said Solicitor who prepares the case. This man said Johnny didn't get a fair trial because the court believed Amber and there is no jury so it is easy to win in the UK whereas in the states one has to convince 12 people (or 7 in this case of defamation). Then I listened to a defense attorney who said in order for AH to appeal her case she has to come up with cash money for BOND. All of the court costs, the attorney fees, the payout, so she has to produce $15 million dollars. Intresting. Elaine is lying about the UK "trial."
@@judegirl7607 what is more, the UK case wasn’t to prove the abuse, but to decide if the Sun had a credible source for the article. And since the source was the supposed victim, the Sun could say it doesn’t matter if the statements in that article are true, all that matters is that they believed them to be accurate due to the source. So they had the right to publish it. There were apparently some irregularities in that case with the judge and his son, and a crucial bit of evidence wasn’t admitted, but the case itself was very different. Wish that some of the interviewers would grill her on that and not let her weasel her way out of it. „Can you tell us what the UK case was about, who were the defendants, why was there no discovery, what was the verdict?“ And then confront her with the facts when she lies. Which she would definitely do, as shown in these clips Edit: after reading some more about the UK case, it seems i was wrong, the judge found 11 out of 13 (or something) claims of abuse to be true, but the way he arrived at that judgement was ridiculous. It was more an opinion, as he said AH was under oath so she must be telling the truth, so the audio recordings can be discarded. So there was no proof needed, he just decided that she is right and that was it.
...and believe me: you do not smirk or laugh whilst the abuses you claim are read aloud. Victims of abuse (I know) are still cause they re-live all those horrific moments again and again. It is 'hell on earth' to go through it again .. no laughting matter.
Such a great video. I wasn’t a huge fan of Elaine during the trial, but this gaslighting has made me legitimately angry. From disrespecting the jury’s decision, to stating that this decision was a setback for all women, she had shown herself cagey and irresponsible with her worlds. I hope the MSM will come around to the great reporting content creators like yourself have been sharing.
Amber Heard: “I’m so sorry for all the women” Me: She don’t represent me lol 😂. I am a survivor of DA & SA & i kid you freaking not, she 👏🏼 does 👏🏼 not 👏🏼 represent 👏🏼 ME 👏🏼! Glad she got called out for who she is. This whole trial was very triggering cuz she flat out lied on stand smh 🤦♀️. #justiceforjohnnydepp ✊🏼
How about you start focusing your anger against "the movement which allowed AH to make her BS claims in the first place"? FEMINISM! There needs to be a second, third, fourth "women's movement" ... to make it clear that WOMEN ARE NOT A MONOLITH and that they have different hopes and dreams for their future and that FEMINISM ONLY SPEAKS FOR A TINY PART OF THEM! IMO feminism has ALWAYS been evil, because it turned the relationship between man and woman from a SYMBIOSIS into a COMPETITION! There have certainly been men who "didnt appreciate enough what their wives did for them", but you can fix that by educating them ... instead of starting an all-out WAR between the sexes.
I've given Brederhoft's performance in these 2 media interviews more thought because it bothered me that she took time to embrace Heard after the hearing was closed. This suggests to me that, at least at that moment, she understood why the jury delivered the the verdict they did (I refer to Chew's remark in another interview that Brederhoft is a competent lawyer) and understood that, in fact, their evidence was not persuasive, but she wasn't empathic toward Heard and consoling her client wasn't her first, instinctive reaction. Brederhoft was watching Depp's legal team first and, it seemed to me, decided to emulate them by embracing Heard. My intuitive feeling is that having to deal with a very public "hard loss" Brederhoft is more interested in saving her professional reputation. Brederhoft complains about the presence of television cameras in the court room, something that I understand is almost ubiquitous in America, the role of social media and the preponderance of Depp fans in the audience versus Heard supporters. None of this is relevant to the case or the jury's findings but can have a huge impact on Brederhoft's professional reputation and future career, which she is now desperate to save. This is why she is avoiding to answer Burleson's question and instead she deviates and distracts. The approach I see here seems to be the same one she applied in the court room : make unprovable allegations based on weak evidence and blame everyone but one's self. I'm not impressed. Reality is always more nuanced. It's also telling that she did not bring Rottenborn with her either interview. His performance in the court room was as rotten and Vasquez's was impressive. They're so bad that I wouldn't recommend either to my adversary, should I find myself involved in litigation.
Gayle's vacant facial expression said it all: "This woman makes no sense, why is she on my show if i can't even ask her a question that she'll answer." Even her co-hosts have this "wait, what?" look. When Nate asks "She said that?" people KNOW she certainly has NEVER apologized to anyone for anything ever.
AH did the same thing, that her lawyer is doing, eject she was on the stand. Never just answered a question with "yes", "no" or maybe a1 sentence answer. It always involved other, unrelated "
I know many people attacked Gayle, but she's a great interviewer and will ask the hard questions. However, she will always be respectful. Nate's question was great.
She does apologize, and has apologized in recordings...but immediately walks back on her apologies. If she apologized to women, she probably immediately walked back on it and said something like, "if only they weren't so in love with Johnny."
To double down & call Depp an abuser when he’s just been cleared by an extensive trial! Her behaviour like that of her client towards victims is appalling!!
@@debbieroberts5866 Elame is lucky that Johnny just wants to move on. I think that's what she's counting on. But Elame may very well f&ck around and find out if she keeps on. They might give her a desk on a conservative news channel (that's probably what she's angling for anyway).
People attract people with similar mindsets/attitudes. Amber is a shitty manipulative lying gaslighter. Is it really weird that Rottenborn and Elaine demonstrate the exact same traits....
@@LadyAstarionAncunin The conservative news channels are pro-Depp and opposed to the me-too movement, maybe an over generalization, but that is how I see it.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin I hope when he receives his $15M, he donates the lot to a charity for men who have been through domestic abuse - that would p^ss Amber Heard off since she failed to give the donations she promised and that came out during this trial!
Not only is Elaine a poor trial lawyer, she's also a very bad liar and these morning show interviews showed that (there's a joke about lawyers and lying somewhere).
She’s being a businesswoman. She might not be a good lawyer, but she’s gonna have a Halo now amongst everyone who followed pro-amber sources. From now on she can blame her failures on an evil Depp while charging top dollar.
That’s freaking rude saying she had more evidence than most people do are you kidding me. There were no documentations from a doctor a police officer etc. I’m sure lots of women out there have more evidence than she does and it doesn’t take much evidence to prove abuse if you have the right kind of evidence.
Of all of the body language experts that I have seen, you truly are the top of the line. I love the way you talk about the history of behavioral analysis and tie that same reference to explain your analysis. The words you choose and the tone you use are brilliant and your ability to connect the dots are astounding. You make your audience yearn to hear more. I can listen to you speak all day long!!
Elaine is talking about Amber's records when she talked to her therapist. This information isn't factual records because you can tell a therapist things that aren't factual.The UK trial was Johnny against The Sun and Amber was a witness for The Sun. The UK judge was biased because his son essentially worked for same company as The Sun.
Yeah a judge hearing The Sun would have been interested in hearing if The Sun made up things, and the judge would be satisfied with anything Amber said, that no, The Sun did get this info from somewhere, they didn't just invent it on their own to be malicious. That doesn't make anything she said true. That doesn't mean just because the judge said The Sun did not defame Depp, that the judge could write in stone that what Amber alleged was true.
Also, that same Judge refused to allow the appeal, then promptly retired afterwards. This came from an interview from a UK Barrister that was following the UK trial. It was quite interesting actually.
Elaine is hoping to extend her 15 minutes. The fact she’s ignorant to the fact she doesn’t know what she’s doing is making her look even worse says a lot. Prediction, Elaine is going to write a book about being Heards lawyer.
Her lawyer clearly is a blatant lier, like Amber herself. If they had medical records, of course they would have been admissible - if relevant to the case. Her attorney is losing my respect, the more she does this. Either she did a rubbish job, and Amber was lying, it seems.
She's also tainting the judge's reputation, cause she's implying the judge allowed not to admit relevant medical records because of JD's celebrity status.
She's talking about Amber talking to a therapist. Those type of records are hearsay. That would be just what Amber tells somebody. It can't be proven to be factual. She had no medical doctor reports of abuse nor did she have dental records from abuse. Elaine is lying yet again.
The ‘medical’ records she’s talking about are Amber’s therapist notes. In other words, Amber’s lies she told her therapist. Elaine is saying medical to make it sound worse.
I’m sad that this is the last video in this series because I don’t normally watch long TH-cam videos but this was absolutely fascinating and I’ve learnt so much with this real life example where I know the whole context. Your analysis has been fair, unbiased and objective and was so enjoyable to watch. It helped me feel comfortable within my own opinions because body language is an amazing science that I have always been interested in. Thank you Spidey! If you to do a couple more of bens interview etc. it would be awesome but if not that’s ok :)
Several observations: 1) you’re 100% on your analysis of Elaine and Amber dynamic when verdict read - there’s no way that was the first thing said in that room; 2) take a look at the contrast between Rottenborn’s reaction to the verdict vs Elaine’s (very different); 3) I think fealty might be more accurate than fidelity; 4) Whitney does a quick glance to her left as they’re walking to the truck - she’s “asking” if Amber wants to be in the front seat and then redirects when amber moves towards the back seat; and 5) Whitney reaches for her phone (not casually like she’s done it a million times, this was intentional - look how assertive the gesture is), which makes sense because my guess is she’s going directly to social media to see reaction to the verdict and try to get ahead of the narrative; oh and 6) Whitney’s face displays all the signs of aggression and frustration/anger - Amber is sad, Whitney is angry…how’d I do?
Thanks buddy!! Love the feedback and agree completely. I had no idea what fealty meant lol but yeah it makes perfect sense 😊
I think Amber is angry and Whitney is afraid.
I’d say you’ve got the skills to pay the bills.
You're good.
I'm not so sure about Whitney grabbing her phone. I do the same thing before getting in the car if my phone is in my back pocket... They aren't exactly comfortable to sit on.
And the assertiveness about the grab could be due to her wanting to get out of the line of cameras/Depp fans screaming asap.
I'm very curious who was in the back seat and put their arm around heard when she got in the truck.
“You should never try to destroy someone's reputation with a lie when yours could be destroyed with the truth.”
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I'm offended that Amber feels like she represents me, or any DV survivors. NO NO NO THANK YOU. She represents abusers now.
I'm a 15 year abuse survivor. She has no clue what pain I have endured.
She absolutely does NOT represent me!
She always has been just that, an abuser. She is one of millions of terrible and awful people on this planet. All we can do is be as different from those scabs dressed as humans, and be the change we want to see in this world.
Hi from France! I agree with you! I don’t want this person to speak on my behalf! 👍
The sad part is that she really believes that. I was in a toxic relationship and know firsthand that narcissistic people like her never admit being perpertrators and never feel responsible for the pain they induce. You can bring mountains of evidence, the whole world to back the truth and they still will deny reality, gaslight everybody and play victim. You will see it in the future, her desperate tries to look like she has been wronged, mark my words.
I felt same way! How she can look at the mirror after saying so much lies and bull💩
I'm so angry at Elaine because again they are trying to hijack the true DA victim's narrative. It's actually disgusting what she's trying to create.
Don't be angry. The case was streamed and televised. Everyone knows Amber was legit found liable. Elaine can talk until she's black and blue in the face about this shit. No one's going to buy it.
Elaine is defaming the jurors. She might be in trouble..
@@PhantomFilmAustralia Sadly not everyone followed the case as closely. So there is a lot of ignorant ire going around claiming that Johny shouldn't have brought the suit or that the UK case was somehow more valid even though it didn't involve AH as a defendant.
@@HatterDrivenMad Idiots
@@HatterDrivenMad it doesn't matter to the people who never followed the case closely. They don't care that much about it. Johnny won. Justice was served. Time to let go and move on.
Amber had an enormous amount of evidence, which actually proved the opposite of what she claimed!
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@@JillMarchioli Thanks!
When they stated "I'm so sorry for all those women" I was so infuriated -- she and her team have no right to publicly label themselves as representatives for an entire community that despises them. How shameful
Succinctly written. I agree wholeheartedly with your comment. She speaks for neither me (a female) nor my partner (a male who was physically and mentally abused by his now ex wife who twisted it to make herself the victim and laughed about it. She got everything, he’s still suffering abuse from the court system by her nearly 20 years later. The court? In the uk, where else!)
even tried to drag people of colour into this on there side .There was no mention of colour in the entire court procedings .
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For a movement they did not contribute ANYTHING to, they did not educate, they did not set motion, they did not take active action for change and progress, which is what any DV survivor is aiming for, but solely benefiting of other peoples struggles and trying to capitalize on it. As a woman I feel disgusted and angry. Roll up your sleeves B****
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I actually felt sorry for Elaine for a while because of her client. Now that she’s out peddling AH’s lies, forget it! I just have contempt for her and her client and her born rotten compadre
Yes I feel the same . It also got me thinking those times when AH said, ‘I didn’t want to do this but my lawyer made me do this’; was it Elaine ‘s suggestion or was it another or AH’s lies....Elaine’s professionalisms as a lawyer is sure in question now.
I never felt bad or sorry for Elaine. You can tell she's the same as Turd.
Rottonborn is actually not a part of her lawfirm he was hired as sort of a contractor.
When she went after the jurys intelligence and for being dishonest with social media it was beyond disgusting!!
Exactly my experience. I can’t believe I felt bad for her for five minutes. Now I’m just angry.
As a woman who has personal experience with DV, this is actually a huge win for all DV survivors. All genders can be abusers.
I couldn't agree more.
Yes all genders can be abusers including Johnny!
I agree with you too. In 1991 I was stabbed by my partner and back then women were just getting to have a voice . It used to be the same with SA victims they used to be blamed and torn apart by the defense team. Times have really changed and Amber has put a taken air out of the tires and setting things back to the old days. We know she lied over and over again. I came into this very neutral as I have never seen any of the pirate movies not a big fan of either. I heard about him abusing her in the news years ago. But if I had any opinion going in it would have been with her. But as I heard the evidence ,the fist thing that really put me off was the knife. No way would a person who is abused give her abuser a knife . NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS .! ALSO she inscribed it " Till death " that sounds more like a threat from her.
"all"? only two there are.
@I am me no it wouldn't take your head out of your ass use your brain.
Also another thing I find fascinating is how Elaine gave that big speech at the end about how the judge, jury and the guards were all very accommodating and how they appreciated all the hard work that they did. That they were thankful for the fair trial, yet the moment she started doing interviews, she tossed all that under the bus
That speech was brown nosing suck up.
She didn't mean one word of it.
@@lysirishfleur3030 Her career took a big blow. Elaine has to try to save face here. What else could she do???
@@deborahholmes8275 Take it all with grace.
To say “it made it into the UK trial” means absolutely nothing…. The UK has a huge problem with its cases that goes back century’s where they allow the judge to be the jury. When you have 1 person presiding a lot of times they can be biased, let’s say it’s an older man who found Amber attractive and Johnny Depp repulsive now whatever she says and does he’s going to believe which is exactly what happened. Here in the us That doesn’t fly you are judged by a jury of your peers and the fact that ALL of them believed Johnny says a lot
Yes
It’s so sad and pathetic how she lost the trial blaming everyone like media
Elaine stop advertising your still a good lawyer
This woman just showed a back in the corner answers
The irony of the woman who accused a string of witnesses for being there for their 15 minutes of fame being on all these talk shows is not lost on me...
Yes!!! I was thinking the same thing
Right projection much 😂😂😂
Big ooof lol
Good use of there their in your comment
🤣🤣🤣true....no wonder amber failed. Look who she was copying.🤪
Any credibility Elaine possessed quickly disappeared when she immediately went on various talk shows and gaslighted throughout every interviewer's questions. I would have respect for her if she had simply responded, "I stand by my client and I am disappointed we lost". Instead she blamed everyone and everything else, except for Amber Heard and her team of lawyers.
I absolutely agree with everything you wrote.
That's exactly what she should have done, and what any professional would have done. But I guess we shouldn't expect professionalism from a woman who used mocking voices during arguments, in a court room. 😒
I'm embarrassed for her.
At any point, she could have answered the question "what would you/your team done better?" with "I'm not sure at this point. I'm still thinking on this to see if there was something different that we could have done." Now, she just looks horribly unprofessional and unprepared which would rule her out for anyone with a brain considering her for hire.
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@@azurephoenix9546 When were these
"Mocking Voices"?
I missed that
Amber isn't the only person involved in this case that is now unemployable. Elaine Bredehoft will also have a hard time finding clients after her terrible performance.
I agree!! She’s obviously another narcissist and abusive person who can’t just “ sit down and shut”! I do hope that all of these attorneys and specialists reveal that she’s also a psychopath!! It’s really sad to watch someone dig a deeper grave for themselves! I would be very surprised if she got one single job after this!! Obviously her past reputation of bullying and rude behavior has worked in her favor. Not now sweetheart! The gig is over!! And the world knows it!!
She’s the worst
I’ve been googling to see her falls 😂
Good.
She is horrid!
The fact she keeps looking from interviewer to interviewer, like she's trying to check that they believe her, it is very similar to the way Amber constantly looked to the jury during the trial.
The broken head sprinkler. All of the grass must be watered.
This!
She was groomed by Elaine, that why AH did it, she was performing her role.
I purposely try to look at everyone when I'm talking to a group, specifically when working because I don't want to exclude anyone. I wonder if this would be perceived as the same thing.
@@7clippers1 Depends, when you're actually trying to engage people in conversation there's a natural rythem to it. Where ad Amber's movements look more... I guess scripted.
It’s crazy how they did not have a strong case, but they’re still trying to gaslight us into believing they did, even after the entire world watched the trial. Makes me furious. Great analysis as usual though!
Definitely trying to capture those folks who weren't paying attention. That's a large audience and there's plenty of room for tapping into whatever bias said audience may have.
She’s just making herself look thirsty and terrible.
I agree!
@@Ceilinggurl yes, she needs a mega pint to drink whilst having 15 more mins of fame.
They're banking on most people NOT having watched any or much of the trial.
As a female im actually glad that this was televised and shown to everyone so that people could LEARN to DISTINGUISH an abuser, which, in this case, was Amber Heard. So I actually would like to thank her for being so bad at lying and helping real victims stand out and be heard.
That's really the secret, all narcissists are bad at lying if you record enough of them talking. Nothing brings one down faster than being held accountable.
Did you have an abusive family member like this too?
I agree with you. She did not act like an abuse victim. There was none of that quiet desperation in her eyes. And if she knew she was going to be leaving was she obviously had plans then she would have taken pictures of the actual bruises and black eyes and not some shit written on a mirror. Abuse victims just want to keep their heads down and get the hell out of the way.
I am happy this trial went public so we could analyse and form our own opinions instead of having to read the outcome in a newspaper and guessing if JD bought the Jury. So glad we could see and hear first hand of everything.. Thank you to the US Legal system.
- Citizens of the world
What I’m worried about is the attempt to shame people who did not believe AH. I’ve already seen 2 public apologies of people who said they were not aware of all of the details and should not have congratulated Johnny publicly. I’m also worried about the metoo movement using her as a representative. She is the one who has hurt women who have been abused. Watching her lie about something like being abused is horrific to someone who has actually been abused and will cause fear of being disbelieved by others because of it.
aS a FeMaLe
Your gender is irrelevant
Your ability to describe and teach your audience is outstanding. I thoroughly enjoyed this video far more then the actual trial.
Elaine: "We didn't lose this case, the other team won."
Another thing I find telling is Amber Heard's statement after the case: she claimed that the "key issue" was freedom of speech (in other words, that she should be allowed to say whatever she wants)--not that Johnny abused her and he got away with it.
That's a strange way to prioritize if her story is true.
You can say whatever you want, it just have konsekvens( consequence) !!!! Maybe she will understand that, when the law stop her. I hope they can be stopped!!!!!!
Very good point. Sadly, AH doesn't understand that you can not tell lies to the public in your "freedom of speech"!
And surely the key issue for an alleged victim should be that the perpetrator just got away with it 🤦🏽♂️
Not some political BS
AH definitely pathological, and possibly doesn’t realize at all what’s insane in what has always been her daily behavior. I doubt she’s has ever told the truth - even one single time - in her whole life. And idem as for Whitney. Quite mentally troubled, very severely damaged siblings. Public dangers, including for themselves. Can’t understand AH is not ordered to be taken in charge of clinically, at least in regards with that doomed baby daughter of hers…
That's all she wanted remember she said "just don't call me a liar"
Omg, This man concluded the testimonies of Johnny and Amber’s in one quote, Love it. “ Truth teller’s tell while liars often sell”
It's also the same opinion of every behavioral expert I've seen covering his case. The Behavioral Panel said more or less the exact same quote. But he reality is its the truth. One she will never except.
I find it totally perplexing that Elaine is so determined to draw everyone's attention to the UK trial - it doesn't make Amber look any better! In fact, if you look at the differences between Amber's deposition from 2016, her testimony in the UK trial, and her testimony in this trial, you can see just how much she changed her story.
The accounts of their time in Australia are so different that they sound like different events, but they're all essentially "here's what happened to Johnny's finger." She did see the finger get injured. Wait, no she didn't. Wait, yes she did. Wait, no, she was asleep because she took sleeping pills. It was the bottle breaking on his hand, but he did it. No, it was him waving around a broken bottle. No, it was him smashing a phone. Her feet were injured. No, her arms were injured.
My point is: Elaine, why are you so focused on people seeing more evidence that your client lied?
Why she’s doing that is because Amber won that trial not this trial she wants people to remember the fact that Amber won the UK trial and she’s trying to vilify Johnny Depp
@@Vixen743 The trial wasn't against Amber. It was against the sun
I think the thing people often forget about the UK trial is that it was against the Sun, and all the Sun had to prove was that at the time of writing they believed what they wrote to be true. ANY evidence against Heard that came after the article was written didn't matter, Heard's account didn't matter. All that mattered was what information the Sun could have possibly gathered - all of which pointed to Depp being an abuser.
I think THIS is what Elaine is counting on people not acknowledging when she refers to the UK trial. She wants people to assume it was the same sort of trial ("a tale of two trials"). This is the thing they're banking on and manipulating their language to confirm.
This trial, however, was whether or not AMBER knew it was a lie - which she obviously did. New evidence could come to light, questioning Amber's account could occur, pointing to the REAL victim could happen. None of this was possible in the UK trial. It would have been completely worthless - hence why Depp didn't "tell his truth".
Also she might be banking on the fact that nobody is going to take the time to go back and 'fact check'
yeah it's not a very truthful statement saying she won the UK trial, when she wasn't even a party to. she never won that trial, it wasn't hers to win, Elaine's point is nonsense here
You have just saved me months if not years of therapy in the segment on Leon Festinger; sunk cost fallacy etc. Four years ago I finally escaped 20 years of abuse, narcissism and gaslighting. Embarrassment doesn’t begin to describe what I felt when I left but also overwhelmingly ‘I am free’. I’m in therapy to understand why I stayed so long. I have transcribed that whole section. Thank you so much. I find your posts fascinating.
"a set back for all woman" really Elaine? Cause I was emotionally abused by a family member as a child and watching Amber's lies get exposed was actually a really big step forward for me 😂
The audio recordings of the verbal abuse by Amber and that maniacal laugh did it for me. She is a world class creep and needs impatient intensive treatment before she should be allowed to retain custody of her child.
On behalf of all mentally, physically, and sexually abused men throughout history who were laughed at, called sissies and liars, shamed into silence, arrested and thrown in jail because he could hide the bruises on his face, but she could use make-up to create them on hers.....thank you Amber. Thank you for finally letting people see that some women are the ones abusing the system with their manipulation.
@@rc1411 preach 🙌
Agreed! As a woman who experienced long term narcissistic abuse, watching this case and JD’s win was incredibly healing for me. It felt good to see justice served!!
It’s a big step forward for men to be believed when they are victims of DA. I hope this encourages a lot of men to come forward with their stories and hope that they are believed. Me too movement for all genders!!!
Elaine had the chance to move on after this embarrassment. Now her outright lying, insulting the judge, the jury and the public, she has lost all credibility and respect anyone had for her professionally or personally, destroying her own career. Camille's career success will now skyrocket as Elaine digs a grave for her own career and reputation. Even her claiming the UK trial was the same and proved Amber was truthful is an outright lie, and anyone with even basic legal knowledge knows this. The UK case was simply deciding whether The Sun had a reasonable right to take as a source someone in the marriage, and whether that source was truthful or not was irrelevant. This trial was specifically whether Amber herself was lying, which she was proven to be lying maliciously....very different legal question. The only evidence not allowed in this trial was what would have helped Depp, and Amber herself testified she did not have medical records because she didn't need medical care, making Elaine an outright liar, contradicting her own client's testimony.
Absolutely on your side! I’ve read so many amazing articles about Elaine..about what an actual master mind she allegedly is in the world of lawyers..she was granted with so much stuff, because the people claimed her to be one of the best lawyers of the US state she’s in. She could’ve just closed her mouth after that and move on - nobody would’ve said a thing about it and would’ve thought: well, poor Elaine was just doing her best at trying to defend her clients points.
But the fact that she’s out there now, after accusing someone of “seeking fifteen minutes of fame” is just so freaking weird and makes me think: WHERE is this allegedly amazing lawyer?
Maybe we lost that lawyer between dogs stepping on bees and dogs pooping on beds.😪
What a shame.
The UK trial was rigged. The Judge happened to be the father of a big shot working at The Sun, but somehow never recused himself, no "conflict of interest " straight kangaroo court. No way it should have been allowed and if I were JD, I'd sue everyone involved in that scam 1 by 1
That is such a Great Point!!! I forgotten about that. Also, one of the attorneys ( on the Fox Channel, said that she has defended Women of Domestic Abuse for 30 years, and that Amber Does Not represent them, because she’s a Liar. Also that in the UK there was also a judge , no jury, who was in he or she, I don’t remember, with their own bias. She said that Judge was in their late 70’s ,
The Judge is who preside, over everything. No Jury !
Yes. Not only did Elaine fall into the shit-pit, she decided to bask and wallow while in there!
Unfortunately, some people out there without the basic knowledge of the UK trial will be gaslighted. One of my friends, who's a DV survivor still thinks JD is a "dirt bag" and AH is the victim.
How can you spend an entire trial calling Johnny "the monster" then say that his lawyers "demonized" Amber?
Elaine is wild.
😂 this is one of those it's funny cause it's true scenarios
Elaine wants an extra 15 minutes of fame.
22:01
Great point
@@KermitOfWar HA!😂good one!!
I'm 5 days late and I imagine you won't see this but when I saw that last clip live after the verdict I had an immediate reaction to Whitney's little glance. I felt it. I've done that glance.
It's the glance you do when you're frightened of someone's reaction. Whether she looked sad during verdict or not, I believe Whitney was anticipating rage from Amber. When you're subservient to someone close to you you're constantly monitoring their changing mood to appease them/not step on a landmine.
Possibly projection on my part, but I saw myself in Whitney in that moment. She's not comforting her, she's not demonstrating compassion, she's not being tender - she's nervous/scared of her.
Litterally came here to search for this comment. I felt the exact same thing from Whitney... She looks scared, waiting for the bomb to explode...
I agree. I have been there too. The eggshells you have to walk on to keep a monster form attacking.
@Bobbi Cat I see in situations like this that the person who is the aggressor has people around them who are constantly trying to cover up the abuse by trying to handle the person, and knowing that they most likely will get bit. They are constantly making up stuff to smooth things over to limit the fallout. They are never in a state of calm. They are ducking and dodging and desperately trying to not make it blow up. My mother was exactly like Amber and perhaps Johnny's mother. I was the one who was the keeper of all things family. When one of my siblings did something that would set her off, I ran out ahead and tried to simmer down the attitude of my mother. I always got burned in every instance. But, I continued this until the day she died. And I was exhausted. I hated being the one who was the keeper of all things family. Each member dumped on me and my mother, who did not have a rational thought, fought all the way. And after the smoke cleared from that particular time, my siblings dumped on me. I was named the bitch of the family by all to my face. But I was in the cycle of most DV relationships. I was the strongest one. The job was passed to me because of this. And I played that role, getting depressed every passing year until I snapped and I had a full mental breakdown like Johnny Depp had. And to heal I had to examine myself and own the part I played. And I had to restructure myself into a role where I was not that person anymore. It cost me too much. And I also had to find a way to forgive when they were so unforgivable. And I made a way. They are still my siblings and she is still my mother. I do not have to like the way I was treated but in order to get past it I had to find a way to let it go. I forgave the situations. Not to say that it was OK to treat me like that because it was not. I had to forgive their way of thinking and move on. I can't change what happened but I can change how I react to it. And it doesn't own me anymore. I am a better person for having done the work to get myself in a safer place. And I am OK with that.
@@deborahholmes8275 Wow. God Bless you!
I do that too with my one friend. She’s an amazing person and one of my closest friends but she has a relatively short fuse so in certain situations I feel the need to keep an eye on her without her realizing, ie small side glances.
She shouldn’t be practicing law if she’s so distrustful of the system. I, like many others was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt -she was just doing her job. This, this is too much. Very unprofessional.
Also, Amber, if you really said that- how about you stop speaking for ALL WOMEN. Don’t put words in MY mouth, girl. Not all of us agree that this is a setback for women. A lot of us think this is a boon for ALL victims, male or female, and a blow to those who falsely accuse.
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Well said.
Preach
Yes, I agree! You said the right thing, wow!!!
Yessss. Well said!
As a women who suffered in the past let me say if she were concerned for "all those other women..." she would not have used us as a prop, a role, a shield, or a weapon. I found it impossible to believe 98% of heard testimony.
Ditto
I'm sorry for you that you had to go through this. 🖤
Sdhair Willingham. Same here. Your actually right.
I was thinking about the 2% that could be believed... stating her name? what else? Parts of a statement that was filled with lies was impossible to believe in totality for me. As a survivor of domestic abuse, I probably didn't go thru the same stuff as you, but it does have lasting effects!
I agree with you 100%. The woman disgusted me, and then for Elaine to immediately go to the media with that narrative. Where is #metoo on this? I haven’t seen anything that leads me to believe that movement believes Amber either. Maybe I’m just not looking in the right place. I’m not on instagram, or Twitter, so I could just not be on the correct platforms to see all the blow back.
As a lawyer you would think she’d be educated enough to STOP accusing JD publicly especially AFTER he was proven innocent!
A very good point!
Humm, you'd hope but, not expect. I have NO such expectation from a lawyer like her - fee money and personal conviction rarely sit hand in hand. Plus, they ARE preparing public opinion for a possible appeal and, dare they hope, overturn of conviction. Being a lawyer does NOT make one a saint, that is still as difficult as it is for any other human being to achieve.
I said the same thing…and she’s lying. AH was a WITNESS in the UK case. She won NOTHING!!
@@theotherside5253 😊 exactly! AH fans (the 2 left) are just reaching out for any negative attention and don’t realize AH don’t give a F about them or us true victims of DV and SA (a true victim doesn’t ever ever act out like AH did in the recordings nor would we have ever ever thought of threatening with blackmail because of the TRUEST FEARS that we will be brutally beat or murdered) but obviously AH’s last words were a ploy to get sympathy from the 2 fans left to manipulate, the rest can see the difference between a horrible actress and a victim of DV, False accusations, a broken man who’s humiliated, truly embarrassed and hurting! AH isn’t a victim of anything other than the made up self pitty party that now she’s claiming her own actual team of lawyers made her do! Lol 😂 She just doesn’t stop! I’m praying for real justice and that’s getting ALL involved with the “FALSE ACCUSATIONS to be convicted of perjury” so others do not think they can pull a AmberHeard on anyone else!
I believe that she is still attempting to prove herself as a litigator. I’m not an attorney I’m just an outsider looking in.
I didnt know they had these either. I wish I could send more- I have just been obsessed with this trial… but I had no idea about any celebrity drama in years because there’s been real life to deal. But It was honestly a welcomed break from news, I feel terrible because I don’t feel like he’s the type of person that wants his personal life on display. I don’t know that anyone would like their txt messages from last 10yrs to be read.
That said i I found you and a few other peoples channels because of the trial.
I think you are not only a very good teacher and been very compassionate, and sweet. People that have those qualities don’t know about gaslighting or lying etc. I know because I have experienced it. So to explain visual details about how to recognize these things is going to be extremely helpful. ESPECIALLY for this next generation that have very few skills socially being that this is their only way to communicate. I’m very concerned because I find myself commenting on TH-cam as if I’m speaking to someone. It’s because I’m alone too much- we’ve had drastic world changes and it feels like another crisis all the time. See! I’m still talking.
In conclusion you are a positive and remarkable person and that is what I think real success is. Thanks again- promise I’ll send you more $ lol
Accusing the jury of being dishonest and saying the court/judge was unfair for letting things in and not others is not going to work in her favor when filing for an appeal. She publicly slapped the system in the face and no court is going to respect her going forward. She could've saved her career but keeping quiet and just making it seem her client is a nut. Now we know she's a nut too.
None of this matters I the appeal process
Elaine called off the third interview. I suspect Judge A phoned and reminded her that the case is still open. (It goes deeper than that Elaine showed ignorance of the law and court procedure, she withheld evidence and filed fake evidence. I believe she suborned perjury.)
I think her partners told her to stop it - hence why she cancelled yesterday’s Court TV’s interview and she hasn’t done anymore. She’s got caught up in Amber’s control and may not even realize it. The same abuse and control which lead to this problem. The same abuse and control in which all her friends don’t want to be near her. If Whitney wasn’t her sibling, she would not be partaking in the madness. One day Whitney will wake up and understand that it’s ok to set boundaries with family.
Her insulting the jury was unbelievable!! That pissed me off too!!
Amber doesn't have the money to even file for an appeal.
This whole thing is making me genuinely upset. As a person that has survived ACTUAL abuse, this just breaks my heart. The fact she thinks she is doing something for victims of DV and SA makes me want to cry. She is such a setback for actual women and it breaks my heart. Just stop already, Amber. Please. Accept your loss and “move on” like you always say you want to do 😒
100% with you on this!
I am so sorry that this is triggering you, you are so right, she needs to shut up, go away and get some mental health treatment, Elaine simply revolts me
Exactly. My youngest son is survivor..
The way she said "two years ago I became a public figure representing DV" makes me ill. She is putting herself in this superior role, like she's the official rep of all DV victims 🤮🤮🤮 It's gross and very telling of her motives. A REAL victim would have had NO problem telling their truth and convincing a jury of what happened. She destroyed her own case by repeatedly lying and gaslighting and manipulating. She's shown the world that women do lie about abuse, to great extents and that is how she let down real victims. She has potentially made it harder to be believed. But I also think maybe shes made it easier in a way. She showed everyone what a liar looks like, so now when a real victim comes forward it will be clear as day they're telling the truth. Hopefully.
The whole Amber thing is sickening!!! Amber is really a mentally ill woman. I fear for that child she bought….shes an abuser!!!!i hope CPS watches out for her actions!!!
The thing is, it would be so easy to simply say "I stand by my client, and I'm disappointed we could not convince the jury. However, we will continue to seek all avenues of remedy to this verdict". That's ALL that needed to be said.... Digging in deeper with allegations that have been rejected is to further discredit your case, in my view.
In a sane and perfect world. Great idea in your post!
And risk getting charged with defamation again
Yes, Elaine is cold and lacking in conscience, which may be a little of why she was so detached from the verdict and why she held back from following Amber. Maybe she's a little afraid of getting punched. I would be.
Desperate. Unprofessional.Embarassing.
@@socratese5 The jury can apply to the court about launching a smear campaign of Elaine towards the jury. It is unfair for them, they have stayed anonymously for people, they cannot defense themselves. And also to follow the social media means that they broke the court rules, it must be chargeable for them. If I were a juror, I could open a trial to Elaine. 😄
As a DV/SA survivor, I've spent the days after the trial in a deep depression. Survivors knew she was lying, but now men everywhere are saying "see, you can't believe women." She's done so much to hurt us. Then Elaine wants her money, so of course she's doubling down, but her whole narrative is heinous and making things even worse.
Men are saying “Abuse has no gender”. That men can be victims of DV and often are and it’s never talked about. Female abusers are every bit as vile as a male abuser. I personally know this, having dealt with an abusive female just like Amber, I was happy to see this exposed. I was a DV victim. Just because you’re a male or female doesn’t exclude you from being an abuser and also doesn’t mean you’re telling the truth. Ppl believe who’s telling the truth,nobody’s gender determines the truth. This case was a big win for ALL Domestic Violence victims everywhere. That abusers of both genders need to be held accountable.
I don't think any of her lawyers want to say anything that can land them in court with the crazy lady willing to do so, either. So it's easier to just hold onto the narrative, plus there's the whole appeal thing they might be tied to. Lol
@@jessemorris5125 like 7 to you!
@@markmilan8365 Thank you my good sir!
I agree completely. Likewise, a person who has been through what she claims knows she is lying. She did more harm and was/is disingenuous to all survivors. I hope you feel better soon.
The fact that she said that she's "sorry to all those women out there", I believe proves the AH didn't think that anyone would believe JD simply bc he's a man. Shouldn't her response been "to all those victims out there"? I wouldn't waste anymore of my reputation even trying to defend her.
I caught the specific word choices here as well
WELL SAID!! Matt Carroll, WELL SAID!!
No, because she was using the #metoo movement to prop herself up so relying on her gender to paint herself as a victim. Her target audience wasn't supporters of domestic abuse victims in general, it was the #alwaysbelievewomen crowd - mega feminists, misandrists, etc.
@@beataventura9247 SHE'S MISSING SOMETHING HUGE - MANY OF US WOMEN HAVE SONS, GRANDSONS, BROTHERS AND NEPHEWS WHOM WE DON'T WANT TREATED LIKE JOHNNY DEPP WAS TREATED FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS - ABUSED, CRITICIZED, BELITTLED AND DEMEANED BECAUSE THEY DON'T HIT OR ABUSE WOMEN OR MEN EITHER - SO IF A LIAR DECIDES TO RUIN ONE OF THEIR LIVES WITHOUT ANY PROOF - MEDICAL RECORDS THAT DOCUMENT IT, POLICE RECORDS THAT DOCUMENT IT - AND MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF RECORDINGS THAT PROVE THE FEMALE WAS LYING OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT HOW SHE HIT HIM OR ONE OF OUR FAMILY MEMBERS - THEN THIS NEEDS TO GENERATE A NEW SET OF STANDARDS FOR IPV AND DV INVESTIGATIONS AND DETERMINATIONS!!!! BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR EVERY MEMBER OF SOCIETY - NOT JUST ONE!!
## NOT YELLING - ALL CAPS BECAUSE OF VISION ISSUE! ##
Not sure it's a fact, more like hear say... objection your honor!
I like how they kept going with the “she just wants it to be over/she wants to stop being dragged into this/she doesn’t want to have to do this anymore”….and now are like OH WE’RE DEFINITELY GOING TO APPEAL AND DRAG EVERYONE BACK IN
She only said that "I just want this to be over" to get the 100 millions but now she's screwed so she's being salty even more than her client. It's disgusting.
She’s broke, she’s not appealing because she doesn’t have six million dollars which is wha5 she paid for this trial’s legal fees. Amber will file bankruptcy and she will fade into the wood work. Johnny did what he set out to do and he has zero interest in doing to her what she did to him. She may end up doing lifetime movies for no money to pay her bills and she will probably it Elon up for child support
She would have to pay the cost of an appeal. Do we think she can afford that?
@@LunaticThomas only if she "pledges" it lol
I know! I was thinking the exact same thing. it's insane. a true abuse victim\survivor, who lost a case against their abuser would not sit there &listen to the verdict without showing any shock, sadness, anger at the verdict that was just given by the jury. An abuse victim would be extremely upset & shocked to find out that the jury doesn't believe their claims of abuse. also, she just wants JD 5o let her move on & leave her alone etc but she keeps going after him with op-eds, claims of abuse, defamation, court trials etc seems to me that she's not leaving JD alone & is fighting him any way she can to try to stop him from moving on with his life.
She is trying to”re try” the case without the worry of any objection or pushback to her”evidence”
Elaine Bredehoft is as disgusting as Amber
She is ridiculous... the next trial will be worse for them!! The whole world seen all the evidence already and is part of the social media and has already formed their opinion so the next jury would for sure be against them and it might een end worse
Exactly 💯
The court of public opinion is all they have now and she knows they've lost that too, but she's giving it a go just like in actual court. I have no respect for Elaine, as an attorney or as a human, now.
I actually hope JD comes back for another serving of defamation pie. Amber is broke, but Elaine may have $$$
Learned something: Truth-tellers tell; liars sell. That's worth an upvote.
Calling evidence “suppressed” when it was simply inadmissible under US law is bad enough. But then the example she gave *was literally in the trial.* They showed this email in the trial and questioned him about it!
They questioned Depp ... but NOT DEUTERS!
Your comment about "suppressed" vs "'inadmissible" was Brilliant 👏 👌
@@Muck006 That’s because Deuters email was like triple hearsay - inadmissible.
As far as I can tell, literally anything she has brought up in her interviews was either not admissible in court, or *did* make it in, and shes just hoping that people didnt watch the trial to know that shes flat out lying.
I missed that!
I do not believe for one second that AH said, “I’m so sorry for all those women….”. AH didn’t do ANY of this for other women, she did it for herself; to better her own financial and social positions. AH hates the public currently, and only cares about what anyone is thinking or feeling about her because it’s largely negative. Almost everyone can see right through her and her mountain of lies and deceptions. I believe AH threw a FIT after the jury’s decisions. My evidence on my opinion is how quickly she left the courtroom; leaving her sister in the dust, scurrying behind. Her face and body language was that of an angry person.
Without a doubt,I would bet my life those words never came out of her mouth,she doesn't give a shit about all woman,unless its said in front of a camera to make her look all saintly,.This woman is trying to make Amber look like a innocent victim again but the world seen the truth,even though the media has countless articles defending Amber,one of the biggest and most obvious liars to ever take the stand,all pretending its a setback from all woman cause they can't accept that a woman can be a vile piece of shit,Thankfully so many seen the truth
Yes! She wasn't sad, or in any kind of anguish, like a victim watching their perpetrator win, would be. She was furious, thinking only of herself. She only cares about her needs and wants, she doesn't give two sh*ts about anyone else, ever! She's a terrible human being!
Amber Heard, by her own hand has 'Cancelled' herself. People are smarter than she thinks. The Sun has set so to speak.
After the trial was over, you see amber heard mean mugging the lawyer and pissed off because she didn't win and then you see her leaving the court room without acknowledgement to her lawyers or anyone.😒😒😒😒
Out of many unbelievable statements, this one moved to the top of the heap.
Elaine was incredibly unprofessional, condescending and rude to the people she cross examined. I have never seen a more inferior legal team in a high profile case.
I could’ve cross-examined witnesses better than her. It’s disgusting that the click bait media keeps letting letting her on all the shows.
She’s furthering Amber’s lies, it’s clear to the entire planet that Amber tried to ruin Johnny’s life and made everything up. She told somebody lies why isn’t she in jail for perjury?
Elaine could only reproduce narcissistic delusion because she had no evidence.
It was beyond appalling when she mimicked Johnny, she needs to be disbarred immediately
Rottenborn had his misses, but I actually believe they would have a much better chance had he handled everything and just took Elaine's notes. Ben Chew put his stars forward, if you noticed, with women on women and men on men, plus Daniels on experts, right? No arrogance, nothing. He was really strong in opening statements - I think Elaine's arrogance is a problem here.
Elaine couldn't ask a proper question. She should quit trying to be a trial lawyer.
You should look at the Rittenhouse trial ... and what the prosecutors did. The judge got REALLY ANNOYED with them several times and started shouting at them (sadly he is a dog that only barks and never bites).
Has she, as a lawyer, gone on national TV and claimed amber had heaps of evidence that to prove she was abused? Where is it? Why didnt she show it in court if she was properly defending her client? She can only be blatently lying or completely incompetent. Either way her claims now make her look and sound like a complete fool...really bad for her reputation.
Some evidence is not admissible in court. The texts saying he cried when I told him he kicked you would not be admissible because it would be considered hearsay. That's why they redact everything than anybody else says in the text messages. That said, if it's not admissible in court, then how is it "heaps of evidence". It's not good evidence if it's hearsay.
She said in one interview that a lot of Amber's evidence was "suppressed" - apparently the same evidence that was shown during the case in the UK.
It's such crap because the only evidence suppressed was evidence that doesn't hold up in the US court system. And the exact same thing happened to Johnny's side. The most substantial to me (which wasn't kept out because it was hearsay like ambers) was the Australian recording revealing that it WAS in fact Amber who cut off Johnny's fingertip. She's on the audio herself upset and saying she didn't mean to hurt him. And then the fact that their private Dr and nurse are having (what they thought was) a private conversation and are discussing that Amber is the problem and is clearly feeling guilty, says a lot. And the fact act that at no point are they asking Amber if she's OK or acting likes she's been injured and needs help at all. Which according to Amber's story was the case. (Busted lip, broken nose, black eye etc.) There's no way we wouldn't have heard that addressed on the recording. And the kicker about all of this to me is that Amber is the one who was secretly recording all of this. Pretty obvious she had forgot she even had it going.
She could of released the evidence online because theres only one court that matters, the court of public opinion
Why didn't she post the evidence online? It's Amber's evidence, wouldn't she want to put it out there so people can see how badly he treated her?
Elaine: We had so many medical records
Amber about every "injury" she was asked about: I didn't think I needed medical treatment
Exactly! She admitted on the stand she has no medical records for not one of her faked injuries! Not one! Elaine is going to start a whole new trial if she keeps talking badly about JD!
What is she? In middle school debate club???
🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯💯
Good observation. I forgot about that. This is why it was so good for the trial to go public. People who can be swayed back to Amber and all those lies, can be reminded by people like you. Thanks for this😉
@@HeidiGelling On AH's original redirect Elaine was trying to get an ENT record entered into evidence improperly (AH is not an expert witness - she can't speak to the medical record's contents), hence the flurry of objections - I think that's probably the medical record. It's from after the relationship and supposedly showed scar tissue in her nose, which could have many causes
Analysis: During the past court proceedings, Amber was seen sitting in the front passenger seat, but now she's in the back seat where she cant be seen, so she can probably flip out in the car and express her anger about the verdict. Amber's sister grabs her phone as to either contact sum1 or to look on social media. And Amber didn't say bye to the guards or even acknowledge them like she did in the past, which shows her true nasty colors as a person.
SIDENOTE: IDK how the hell Amber actually thought she was going to win that case. That's beyond my comprehension!
Good catch on ignoring the officers!!
I think Whitney is getting ready to post that Instagram post that was so quick after the verdict was read. If I am not mistaken it was posted 4 minutes after the verdict was read and she stormed off.
I also think that she sat in the back so that she can actually vent her real and true emotions and not be seen.
The only reason Amber was polite to the guards was that there were lots of TH-cam and tiktok videos of JD doing it which showed how considerate he was. Amber was obsessing about the social media coverage.
Was the driver supposed to close the door? He seemed suprised the door closed
Her sister RAN to get her phone. She is saying something negative to someone
It's hilarious how much Elaine pushed the "15min of fame" narrative with a lot of witnesses in the trial, and yet here she is, taking up any and all invites for interviews lmao. The projection is strong in this one
She's just afraid for her career. She wanted to seem genuine at the end of this. That's why she has been quiet the last couple of days.
I didnt watch all of the trial, i only saw where she said the 15 minutes of fame comment to the TMZ employee, did she actually say that to more than one witness? if so, wow. definitely strong projection there.
Totally loving that Star Wars reference!
Thank you for the little section on Nate Burleson. I don’t watch that show so I didn’t know of him before but he came across extremely well and he’s clearly very perceptive. I feel like I want to see more of him now, i would never have guessed that TV wasn’t his initial career, like you said - his question and the way he posed it was fantastic. He was basically saying “evaluate your own mistakes, don’t blame others”, but the way he humanised it with his own experiences was spot on.
"I'm so sorry to all those women out there." is definitely something AH should be saying - just not for the reason she and her team are making it out to be. The major set back for ALL (notice how her narrative still keeps omitting men) victims of DV is her lying about it and destroying a man's life over it.
She was judged by a jury, and by the public. But she doesn't want 'this' to be over, because she's after THE ATTENTION. Still trying to ride his celebrity coat tails, she makes a point of referring to him as her ex-husband. She wants to remind the world that she WAS once, ever so briefly, married, to a mega star. IF we all STOP PAYING ATTENTION to her, the talk shows won't give her or her attorney any more airtime. Let's help put an end to her malice, by not tuning in, or even mentioning her name. SHHHhhh... 😎🤓
Yes, I guess it would hurt more a turd nothing about them at all than all the current TikTok, memes…
th-cam.com/video/yHM2pUbzU9k/w-d-xo.html Finally it's here.
My life was destroyed in 2007..... it's 2022....I'm still afraid to get out there again.....
I don't think Amber ever said that, but rather Elaine thinks that and has applied it to Amber saying that.
“She had more evidence than what most people do” this is like writing a shitty research paper and then saying I had a lot of pages and references… but your actual research didn’t say anything or prove a hypothesis.
when amber made the statement on the stand during her final rebuttal testimony about having more evidence than most people do, by that point in the trial with all her other credibility issues that came out, it seemed really disingenuous. felt more like she was saying, hey I manufactured more evidence... and that she thought gathering more "evidence" would seal the deal so she created what she thought she needed.
She's like Trump... "This is the biggest amout of evidence that we have ever seen" 😑
@@Aluadinha19 narcissists do tend to follow the same play book!
@@Aluadinha19 Please, do not mix it all.. Mr Donald Trump has nothing to do in here..!!!!
I can't wait to see this!! Elaine "what if any" is the one who's draining of her 15 minutes fame as much as possible, is like she casted as a clown lawyer on a reality show trial and got stuck in the role. But no fiction could beat this, is amazing. Thanks Spidey, I've learned a lot because of this channel, love it!
😂😂😂Truth
Ziiiiiiing!!
Well, she's now infamous.....
For the record, "What if any' is a legit phrase with a legal purpose. Depp's side also used the phrase. The problem is that she was trying to use it to sidestep objections that were still valid with or without the phrase.
Elaine "I'm trying" Bredehoft
Elaine "Amber, get the fuck up" Bredehoft
Elaine "your 15 minutes of fame" Bredehoft
Elaine "muffins" Bredehoft
Hey, she's got meme material, what can I say?
I'm so glad you used the term "gaslighting" because I felt like I'm being gaslighted by AHs team the whole time during the trial, especially during the closing statement. It was messed up. 😳
Camille asked Amber if she had medical records of when she got “hit”. And she said she didn’t have any. But now Elaine is saying she couldn’t have that evidence in court.
Yeah, because the “evidence” is just hearsay. It’s Amber’s written notes about what the doctor (allegedly) told her. Amber’s own writings are her “medical records” that weren’t allowed.
She was using medical records and mental health records synonymously. She is stating a false narrative as notes from your therapist are not medical documents.
Are you talking about when she asked about dental care records?
@@katherineseymour6239 exactly. Thank you. Therapist records are NOT medical records
@@katherineseymour6239 Wonder where/who Elaine learned that "trick" from?....'pledge/donate'
I imagine the first thing out of Amber's mouth post verdict wasn't suitable for morning television!
Also you are so right about the hug. My first time in court was for a custody hearing, I was terrified. It was out of state and I was alone, and I only met my attorney in person, 30 minutes beforehand. When it was over and I had won, (My ex had no contact for 6 years, filed and was awarded custody without my knowledge, then tried to have me arrested for kidnapping a child who had been with me since I gave birth to him), my wonderful attorney turns to me and smiles and says "you look like you need a hug," and he gave me a great big bear hug. That unexpected moment of genuine kindness, released all my anxiety and terror. The fact that Amber's attorney's have no real emotional connection with their client speaks volumes especially when juxtaposed with how cohesive and supportive Johnny's team is with him and each other.
They're probably afraid of her
Not sure if what you're saying is they didnt hig after the trial or they just havent hugged? Pictures on google if you need confirmation
I think she probably did say what Elaine said she did, but she said it in a way that was telling Elaine to tell people she said that.
@@cozzyscreatures9198 they're saying Amber's lawyers don't have a genuine emotional connection with her. They were falling out throughout the entire trial, and didn't even share happiness when things were going right
Amber does cocaine. People on coke are just weird, touchy, creepy & dont know what they are doing.
I think it’s so interesting how she kept telling people in court they were there for their 15 minutes of fame but who is doing interviews after the trial getting her 15 minutes of fame😂😂
These people always constantly project
I'm sure TV stations reached out to both sides for an interview, but the losing team is understandably the ones who would accept. Depp's team has nothing further to say, case closed. Of course, AH's team needs to go on record to make excuses and try to continue the lie that SHE is the victim. If they kept quiet, AH would probably sue them for not doing a good enough job representing her.
@@christinecat7466 Lawyers don’t have to do publicity that’s what publicist are for and they have a very big team she didn’t have to be the one to go do the talkshows she just wanted her 15 minutes of fame
TMZ guy was right
I’ve been disgusted watching Amber Heard throughout this case. I have been through many counts of abuse through my life, mostly sexual and emotional trauma. My first abuse started when I was just 5 years old, when a female schoolmate claimed me as her “best friend punching bag” and would molest me, beat me, choke me, poison me, and isolate me from others. Her mother, who was also my Girl Scout Troop leader, would also touch me and look at me inappropriately, force me to shower with her daughters, threaten me, isolate me, and lock me in the basement. I was always blamed, and even witnesses to the abuse never helped me. This abuse lasted until sixth grade when this family moved away. We had no cell phones or digital stuff back then, so I had no proof other than my word and the cuts and bruises. My mother suspected nothing, and I was too ashamed and scared to tell her. I know my mom would have killed her if she had known what was happening back then. The actual trauma is nothing compared to never having someone stand up for me, protect me, or clear my name. Since then, I have come to terms with the abuse, but I have never recovered from the total lack of protection, and my voice never being taken into consideration. When I have watched this trial, all I can think is how privileged this woman was to be able to have a platform and technology to capture real proof of her alleged abuse, and she *wasted* it, and totally blew it off like it wasn’t important to her to capture. My abuse WAS every single day, and sometimes overnight. It WAS commonplace and expected. I NEVER stopped trying to get someone to help me at school, even as a introverted traumatized 5 year old. I NEVER stopped telling that horrible woman that I did nothing wrong and I wanted to go home to my mother. How an abuse survivor could be questioned about her abuse and talk about it so nonchalantly and flippantly is so beyond my comprehension. I don’t have to hear a single word of her testimony. I can clearly see by her act that she is faking it all. She behaves just like the little girl who used to beat me and laugh at my crying, who would deny ever touching me even though I was still red from her standing over me and slapping me for a full minute only moments prior. If I lost this case, it would be EXTREMELY hard to control my reaction. I would be ugly crying. I certainly wouldn’t be sitting in interviews telling the media “of course they believed him, I don’t blame them.” WTF. Seriously. This whole thing is gross. She uses a Me Too movement as a tool to gaslight the public for her own selfish publicity. How dare she use us “rando’s” like that. Pitiful and disgusting. Thank you Spidey for helping me understand why her behavior makes my skin crawl. Before, I couldn’t understand why I just couldn’t believe her. Now I have words for it. Thank you.
My sincere empathy for your horrific abuse. You survived. I trust you are thriving.
I hope you have sought professional help and are healing. This sounds horrible!
Wow. I’m so sorry 😢
I really wish you get better and better throughout the days .It's not easy to say that you will forget what happened to you because IT IS NOT easy at all! But I trust that you will overcome it some day and find peace in your life🤍 wish all best . may you recover soon lovely human🤍
Hope you are ok. You'r a survivor, be proud of that!
If Elaine continues this way, hopefully Johnny Depp's lawyers can file something against her for defamation and make her stop spreading new lies, and/or repeating Amber's lies. Also, this verdict is actually a win for DV victims, and sends the message to victims to speak up. Depp spoke up even when the abuser had set a wall of lies that were hard to break through.
Exactly my thoughts
I hope they complain to the BAR.
The MeToo movement isn't about believing all women, its about believing victims and giving them a fair shot in court since we also need to believe the accused are innocent until proven guilty. I absolutely agree that this wasn't a loss for DV victims, it was definitely a winning case.
Johnny Depp winning was a huge break through for men suffering in silence in fear that they won’t be taken serious. Even amber was mocking Johnny asking who would actually believe a man of his status was an actual victim. It’s truly sad but I sure hope this encourages all survivors to speak up. It took me years to do so and it was the best desicion I’ve ever made.
@@alexaa1993 I've been saying that since the beginning. JD being the spokesperson for male DV survivors is great. He's basically an average size male that most men can relate to in one way or another. This is great for DV survivors of any gender.
I have been extremely invested in this case, and her mentioning the UK trial as a win for them, makes me mad! That was an extremely unfair trial, and half the evidence they allowed in that was hearsay! But I’ve read all the transcripts from that trial and the multiple changes in the Amber’s story, even the smallest of details is mind blowing! And I can I just say I absolutely love your videos on this case!
Let's not forget that Amber did not sue Depp in the UK. Depp had sued the sun and lost. AH was a witness in the UK, the Sun vs. JD! Both AH & her attorney are full of BS.
And she forgets that it was not a win for them, but for the Sun and Rupert Murdoch. Heard was only a witness and did not had the burden of proof.
I’ve only read up to day three, and i was flabbergasted to learn that they use newspaper and celebrity rags as evidence!! So in that case, since the Sun, a media outlet, calls JD a WB, it’s obviously evidence, since it’s printed in a paper? Mindless and mind numbing.
And scrambling around trying to find exhibits was WAY more of a farce than the US trial that the media was calling a circus.
@@marianneerni2509 exactly. And the standard was not actually proving Heards claim. Just did the Sun have reason at that time to knowing think she was lying. That's a pretty low bar.
It also means that they can say the next day they learned she was lying but on that day they went to press based on what she alone said...seemed as likely as not.
And the judge in UK trial could easily have been bought! Won’t be the first time!
What I'm so pissed about is Amber trying so hard to declare this a loss for women who experience domestic violence.Yes, this case made it harder for any women who really suffer from domestic abuse. No, Jonny did not cause this setback, and no the jury didn't either. YOU did, Amber. YOU DID with your lies. Do not presume to speak for women suffering from thsi kind of abuse. How dare you!
@William Tell Well said
@William Tell its a setback for all dv victims because it makes light of abuse. its a setback because many dv victims are women, so when a woman lies about it, its fucking awful! because nobody believes us to begin with! to have a liar be believed? yeah it will definitely fuel someones bigotry. yes, in recent years we were "taught" to believe domestic violence/abuse. yes, there are many male dv victims, and they are not believed. it is however, mostly men who do not believe abuse victims, and more so male victims. they are taught to be strong, by other men, and if a woman is hitting you its not abuse, youre just a sissy. its toxic masculinity and mysogyny at its core. it hurts men just as much, if not more, than it hurts women. men have always had the power, and that makes it worse for men because they are never believed, because its a sign of femininity, weakness, its synonymous. it makes it harder for women to be believed and taken seriously over abuse at a time when we were finally making progress. it makes it extremely hard for men to be believed at all, because this whole trial was publicized like a circus and the media focused on the ridiculous parts to joke about them or make jokes about domestic violence, which fuels peoples biases that men cant be abused. its a set back for dv victims of any gender.
She's a sociopath. She couldn't care less about the truth. Her "win" is getting people to believe her lies. And when she beats the breaks off of her next partner (or, goodness forbid, her child), I don't want to hear the same news sources try to act like they didn't believe her. Because they're complicit by supporting her lies instead of showing her that she can't get away with that behavior. SMDH
Exactly!
There is a difference between a violent toxic relationship and a Domestic Abusive relationship. If two people are constantly fighting each other, violent verbally and physically to each other you don't claim Domestic Abuse. And I believe those two were toxic to each other and Amber tried to pass this as DA. Is like when a woman decides to fight with a man and makes it his fault when she loses the fight, by saying he is the stronger sex. Both men and women need to keep their hands to themselves. We as women want equality and it comes with good and bad. We can't hit a man say , our hits are not as bad as his.
As I’ve been watching these videos about Amber and JD I just can’t stop thinking how horrible someone has to be to put another person they supposedly “loved” through so much. It’s crazy to me how people can hurt someone and be okay with lying about it
It makes me feel like almost exactly half of humanity is trash and the other half- well we’re just sick of dealing with the trash.
“I’m going to try really hard to not bring my personal opinion into this but personally I despise that answer” 😂 l love how you said that! Please DO share your personal option! I’m sure we all share it anyway! 😉
Yup. There was another good one around min. 20:20 where he says: ...Elaine's trying to humanize Amber.. 🤣
However neutral you try to be, your opinion slips through by the words you select. I'm fine with knowing your opinion.
I think it is more honest to own any bias.
First: Amber. Does. Not. Represent. Women. It makes me sick that her team is pushing the narrative of “this ruling is a setback for all women.” If anything, it’s a “setback” for women who exploit the Me Too movement to make false abuse claims with the intent to ruin someone’s life.
Second: These interviews only destroyed Elaine’s image to me. During the trial, I felt bad for her because I thought she was struggling to defend an indefensible case and was getting flack from Amber. Now that she’s done these appearances and doubled down on Amber’s narrative, I have no sympathy. She’s a terrible lawyer and a sore loser.
Doesn’t represent me.
If she does believe this was a “set back for DV women” , or even her own heartbreak, where were her silent tears?
When someone is truly heartbroken, there are tears that come, with no effort and no crying sound.
Like Ben Chew said "This was MeToo without the MeToo".
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Yeah, I felt bad for her at first, too, but now it seems like that 15 minutes of fame line is coming true.
Around 8% of reported abuse claims are false. Or about 1 in 10.
Amber Heard is the 8%. She doesn’t represent the other 92% who are actual victims.
You know, when they read the verdict it reminded me a lot of murder trials. When someone has just been through a trail trying to convince people of their innocence, and when the guilty verdict is read out they are a little sad that they didn't get away with it, but almost accepting at the same time because they know they're guilty. Thats what Ambers face looked like to me.
I totally agree with you, I was trying to understand the feeling I got, but you did it for me
Nailed it! 100%
OMG, you're totally right!!!! Great observation!! 😂👍
It could also be that Amber was dissociating from the situation as she’s hearing the verdict read. She’s closing in on herself and not making eye contact with anyone. Some people shut down instead of weep.
She might also be trying to keep it all in so she can cry when she’s not in public-she looks like she’s about to burst into tears once she exits the building. If she had been crying her eyes out during the verdict, people might judge her for being hysterical and not acting like an adult.
I’m not taking sides, mind you. I’m simply pointing out something that could be happening psychologically and that I’m surprised wasn’t mentioned in this video as a possibility.
@@LaCeiba1924 that is fair to say. But I would also add that if she was dissociating then it is likely because she did not want to accept the verdict because she hoped that she could essentially con and gaslight the jury. Mentally, she could not accept that people did not believe her, just as she alluded to in that recording...i.e. tell the world Johnny, tell the world and see if they believe you. She was incredulous that they did believe him
First of all, I was suprised when I learned that Elaine was one of the best lawyer in America. I think she was too confident, and didn’t expect a second that a associate as Camille would have been so powerful, structured and not intimidated by Elaine’s experience.
Second of all, Elaine seems to be concern by her lost, not Amber’s. She was taking notes for herself without worrying about the team. Actually, it was obvious they weren’t from the same firm. No chemistry at all between them. Also, Amber didn’t thank her entire team. It was like as everyone was also scared of her.
Elaine clearly reached her level of incompetence, lol!
Are you joking?? Elaine is one of the best lawyers in America?? What?
If Elaine was one of the best laywers in America then that explains why our justice system is so fked. If an incompetent lier like her is considered "one of the best" honestly pathetic
I did feel sorry for Elaine before, I heard people who were there say she kept crying after court and even arguing with AH, she was trying to do her job, but after spewing that nonsense on the news I don't feel sorry. This isn't a loss for women. She doesn't represent victims.
I agree however I'm wondering if Elaine was a victim of DV or SA and it's unresolved and she keeps fighting for this really for herself psychologically
Other lawyers have pointed out that after such a long and arduous trial most lawyers would have this normal emotional sort of “breakdown” at the end just because they have been under so much stress and fueled by adrenaline. That made sense to me. But also she could have been emotional due to the pressure from Amber herself who probably was trying to demand things to be done her way the whole time. And well, they loss. Elaine has to have realized all the things that went wrong, the lies, the pictures that were doubled up that everyone saw, those really made them look so so bad
A lot of people said this about Elaine. I'm not saying Elaine is a narcissist, but this is a similar example of how narcisstic people & full narcissists can gain sympathy, then turn it around and make people regret it. Our empathy makes us give everyone the benefit of doubt, without first finding out if they're trustworthy.
@@SydMountaineer it's possible she really believes AH. Its also possible that over the years she's been manipulated into believing AH.
@@eclecticdragonfly6824 Dont make it that complicated: Elaine is a FEMINIST and thus is DEDICATED TO THE FIGHT AGAINST MEN.
Remember Dr. "I never defend men - unless it is against other men - because they are GUILTY BY DEFAULT" Hughes? You can ascribe the same attitude to Elaine! FEMINISM IS EVIL and it is a RELIGION where you "listen and BELIEVE" and NEVER QUESTION!
On the point of Elaine's "it's a tale of 2 trials, Johnny had his chance to tell the truth in London..." - I watched a video of a Barrister from the UK reviewing the trial verdict from the UK trial and the amount of things the judge completely disregarded as evidence in Johnny's favour was shocking. The judge actually said the audio recording of amber saying "I wasn't punching you I was hitting you, you're such a baby" etc. wasn't as strong evidence as testimony in court due to the fact that witnesses have to swear under oath in court. But Amber has proven to the world she can boldly lie about evidence right in front of her under oath in court. They were also able to use past indiscretions in the UK trial and the judge didn't have any issue with Amber asking if should could get her former assistant make a false statement or that she took her dogs into Australia illegally and had tried to lie and falsify documents for that too. So basically the UK trial verdict was a shit show from a corrupt judge who had connections to the newspaper Johnny was suing!
Exactly! Also the Judge Andrew Nicol’s son works for TalkRADIO, a sister company of The Sun owned by Rupert Murdoc. Nepotism!
Wow. We need more of this information to come out.
This jury saw what we saw. Johnny and his team organized the truth! Men can be abused too. Amber just needs to go away and get the help we all think she needs!
There's also an audio recording from Johnny's former bodyguard Mr judge who passed away that this court did not allow to come in because he wasn't there to testify, where the bodyguard said that Amber knew what she was doing and that in effect Amber did cut off Johnny's finger.
The other glaring issue with Elaine B.'s "tale of 2 trials" is, the UK trial was the Sun proving that the statement they made wasn't false, nor defamation. How do they prove it? By AH giving her testimony and witnesses backing up that she has said these things. The point wasn't to prove that what she said was true, only that she did indeed say it. Since she did say it, it wasn't defamation. The law and the truth don't always come to an agreement, especially because the law is much more concerned with definitions rather than morality. That being said, I do think it's necessary for the law to be that way, and a jury helps to balance it.
What annoys me is that on every JD witness, she tells them they are trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. Now who’s going around doing TV interviews?
FACTS.
I WISH someone who interviewed her would ask that.
The former TMZ employee was right about her
I was thinking the same thing! She was projecting.
SPOT ON!
Something that I haven't heard anyone mention is Amber's deep need to protect her ego at all costs. I believe she would rather die than let her detractors get the satisfaction of seeing her cry or appear vulnerable in any way. I've seen this in her consistently, and it also explains why she got so heated when saying, "I've NEVER referred to myself as a victim!" She sees being a victim as weakness, and she's too proud to admit she might be weak in any way. It's common in people with personality disorders.
As seen in her deposition, Amber believes she's above everyone else; nobody can hold her interest. That I find appalling about her.
but she did say “i am not a perfect victim”..
Not all survivors show weakness though. Some are proud. Pride isn't a personality disorder. It's a character trait. She's a very pretty woman. Johnny is very charismatic. I think we have a mutually explosive abuse couple. Takes 2 to tango...
Honestly, during the trial I had sympathy for Elaine. She did what she could with what her client gave her.
The fact she’s not washing her hands of this trial straight away and is in fact doubling down on the how it is setting woman back narrative. I have zero sympathy, she’s horrendous.
100% agree.
I agree with you 100%... Elaine basically failed in her professional capacity as a lawyer on many levels, as this excellent review of behavior analysis demonstrates. Yes Amber was a nightmare client, but Elaine was paid well and should be up to the task. Elaine is just a poor loser who's trying to save her own career with all her scripted responses. She's just trying to avoid responsibility, by finger pointing at others including her own client. She's merely demonstrating and verifying that she's a pathetic attorney by dissembling thinly veiled lies and false narratives. She's proved that every time she repeated the same scripted lies like a mindless Tickle me Elmo puppet.
I agree during trial it was ELAINE has a job to do but after seeing the interviews I was thinking how horrendous her behaviour is an continuing to be to act as the Jury's Verdict Has Set All Women back to the Dark Ages is Offensive to the Women who have been thru DV Abuse and When You Tell the Truth it Doesn't Change Ever so i feel as though Amber ELAINE Rottenbourn has been Gaslighting the Entire World and ELAINE accused everyone on Johnny Depp Witnesses of Wanting 15mins of fame an ow They are all Quite an ELAINE is doing every interview she can get just to spit venom an distaste an Misinformation about both the UK an US Trials
I think alot of people feel this way .... we thought she was just representing amber the best she could.. but now that she's doing all these interviews still backing amber, it makes everyone not like her.
Yep, so true, when I heard she was crying alone in the bathroom afterwards made me feel sad for her since it wasn’t her fault she was dealt a bad case to argue
But then when she’s backing it with ‘confidence’ thinking they should’ve won it, yet dodges questions, makes me regret the sympathy, she’s almost as bad as Amber herself
My personal experience with DV is that when confronted with the situation to a third party or the public...the abuser gets louder and tries to dominate the narative while the abused person gets quieter. This is what I saw at the trial and why I believed JD. I have witnessed this dynamic with both men and women in the abuser role.
that's a good point, and one that doesn't get brought up as much (not because people forget, but I think because there's just SO MUCH to compare this trial to)
Absolutely agree with this!
And abusers isolate the victim from friends and family. Johnny housed her friends and family free of charge in the same building JD and amber lived. That's quite the opposite of isolation.
This is a huge part of what makes me so nervous about the push to "always believe the victim." It seems to me that victims are often the ones to try to defend their abusers ("it's not like that, he/she is just in pain, they need my help," etc), while abusers are more than happy to make claims that isolate their victim and gives them control of the narrative. I think it's well intentioned, but it's hopelessly naive to think that this mindset will help at all, when I can only see it making things much, much worse.
@@eyesofthecervino3366 Yes, like sweet Gabby Petito didn't want her abusive boyfriend getting into trouble, while that jerk let her take the blame while he got put up in taxpayer funded lodging! 😔😔😔
Evidence is “suppressed” when it is unreliable or prejudiced! Ben Chew would have had to show proof that her evidence was unreliable BEFORE the trial began. In order to succeed on a motion to suppress, Ben must’ve presented sufficient factual information and apply specific laws to those facts to convince the judge that her evidence was illegal. This to me says that JDs team DID “play fair” and that Judge Nichols in the UK ALLOWED illegal evidence and here Elaine is on national television bragging about it! 🤦🏽♀️
He keeps saying the latw.sid she died since last week?
Certainy that the UK judge allowed different evidence. Keep in mind their laws are different, including what they allow as evidence. It's also true that timing played a part - for example, the UK judge used Heard's pledge to donate as evidence that she was probably wasn't a gold digger as accused. He extended the statement to her character to her, and he likely took the accusation as a statement about Depp's willingness to sling mud, and honestly at that point in time that was probably a reasonable conclusion. Now in the US trial that same pledge going unfulfilled, and the ways she tried to avoid admitting that, did the opposite - it eroded her character and bolstered his. It became a case of "See? I told you before and you didn't believe me, but I was right - what else have I been telling you all along?"
Elon Musk / Rupert Murdoch had the UK case “in the bag!” Watch and wait. . . It will come out! As will The Solicitor.
This !!!!!!!!
there is also evidence that didn't make it from depp, like the audio where amber literally says "i didnt do it on purpose" talking about johnny's finger
I remember Camille once said in an interview that she could spot the difference in the dynamic she had with the team where they all had each other's backs, and that it seemed as though that was completely absent in Amber's team, they where working as a group but not really as a team.
I am a survivor of domestic violence, I could see Amber was lying on the stand from the get-go, there were no tears she was addressing the jury it was disgusting to watch this woman blatantly lie over and over again. And she couldn't remember all of her lies so some things would get jumbled it was just disgusting can you imagine if an abusive male got on the stand and was crying victim people would be outraged
I also actually went through DV and could also tell she was lieing and it also makes me angry she really hurt women, same with the Kavanagh trial and the lieing cow that accused him. People need to stop making false accusations as a weapon to get what they want.
She's so disrespectful.
I saw so much behaviour of an abuser shown in that court, the body language, the phrases, the bitter streak. All of these showed quite conclusively, for me, that the abuser here was Heard and it was sickening to watch.
I've been a DV survivor and I was appalled for her to even suggest she was. She is going to make it worse for true survivors
@@anitawatch what Kavanagh trial?
Are you saying you don't believe Blasey Ford but you believe a guy who couldn't keep his composure while being asked basic & routine questions during his confirmation hearing?
A grown man who, during a judicial confirmation hearing to determine whether he should sit on the highest court in the land, couldn't remain calm, threatened those he viewed as opposition, literally cried & just short of threw a tantrum, he became combative when asked about his drinking, literally _yelled_ in response when confronted with several interrogatories, evaded direct questions, & deflected any question he didn't feel like answering? Not to mention we now know he lied in his response to questions about roe v wade.
Is this the temperament of a judge? Is this the behavior of someone that we, as a country, can depend on as unbiased & rational when presented with the variety of cases & litigants that will come before him as a judge? I've never seen anything like his confirmation hearing, it was a circus & he was the clown. And by lying about any one thing, he's shown he will lie about anything. He was unable to hold his composure when he was confronted with Ford's allegations & behaved exactly opposite of the way we saw Depp behave, yet he was falsely accused?
I SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN: THIS LAWYER HAS NO ETHICS. SHE HAS MUCH RAGE AND ANGER TOWARDS JOHNY, AND IS LITERALLY GASLIGHTING HIM IN THESE INTERVIEWS. SHE NEEDS TO STOP SPREADING THESE LIES!
Don’t hire this lawyer. She’s unwilling to learn from her mistake. Most of us would be reflective in the face of a loss.
Eh, I don't think that's fair. I still don't think she should be hired, but I don't think this specifically is a good reason. She can be reflective in private without airing it out on public television. I'm sure she has plenty of things she regrets about the trial, but airing those things publicly would likely to more to harm her and Amber's image than help.
At the end of the day, she's only doing these interviews in order to attempt to improve the public perception of herself and Amber. Anything that could be perceived negatively towards either of them will be dodged because that's simply not why she's there.
@@XdivineExp I agree… I thought it was a good question, but wondered how she could possibly answer it truthfully without giving away too much information. So she didn’t…
yes
She is not experienced in modern defamation. She in the last 15+ years has done majority contract and business law issues.
The fact she is ranked number 1 as the best attorney in her state city is appalling especially after the stunt she pulled on talk shows. It's almost like she cheated on every exam or just really dense thinking people can believe what she says as true. It's one thing to be a lawyer for a perp and defend them by playing devil's advocate but to do this and not even be on the clock for your lawyer position is way different. This lawyer is bad.
Thank you. For the longest time I was like, I know she is lying (take she as Elaine or AH ) but could never explain why. Watching you, listening to you, you put into words what my instinct was shouting at me but I could never articulate. You are a very talented man, much respect to you.
My perception of the ending part, where Amber and her team leave - with a huge time and space delay between them - is this: Amber, as we heard in the segments of audio played during the trial, can be quite aggressive when she is frustrated. I believe no one asked her "are you ok?" because they all know it could ignite some kind of furious behavior, and that includes her sister. In other words, everybody is afraid, or rather terrified, of Amber's reaction after losing the case. That's why the team waits a long time before she leaves, they want to take some space from the real abuser in this case.
You know I haven't thought about that but I think you're right on the money. I'm incredibly curious how well she was able to hold her temper behind the scenes. It's possible that Elaine sees her as" the victim" simply because she's female.. if they were both being aggressive then, to some people , the female would automatically fall into the victim role in their mind. Regardless of the reality of the situation.
I do feel sorry for her. I hope somehow she finds the self-awareness to start working on herself- to actually realize she needs to. Until someone chooses to try to improve, it doesn't matter how many therapists they see. I hope she can find stability and happiness with...,& For her child.
I felt the same. You can feel everyone's tension through the screen. The first thing I thought when they were walking out was, "I'd hate to be in that car with her after this." I think Whitney looks aggressive because she's preparing herself for the absolute tirade Amber is about to go on.
Completely agree with you
So very right there.
I came here to say this... someone as volatile as Amber would not receive the same deference or attention normal people receive. those around her would avoid her
What makes the verdict “surprising” is that when they went into the trial Amber had the law on her side, the law wasn’t on Johnny’s. It is very hard to prove defamation, the odds were stacked against Johnny but he had so much evidence and Amber didn’t the sides switched. A lot of lawyers only thought that Johnny would win on only one count but he won all three. The jury saw through Amber and said that by law she was lying. Elaine just needs to except defeat and move on, she’s only digging her own grave at this point.
Thank you for this comment! Exactly what I was thinking!
Elaine's behavior during the trial was ridiculously unprofessional, she should be disbarred immediately! She's also taking her 15 minutes of Fame & continues to defame Johnny! Awful woman
It's very telling to me that all of the people around Amber are vehemently defending her. Elaine, Dr. Hughes it's like they feel personally consumed by it and yet Amber's friends and even the ex make up artist and coach distanced themselves and they all said something similar about hanging out with more people, or the make up artist who was like I had to move on it was too consuming.
If someone is losing everyone it's not everyone else's fault
Yes ... Johnny Depp had a mountain to climb ... and he did it!
Spot on. Plus Amber just couldn't stop with bigger and more shocking lies. True narcissist all the way.
The fact that they sued JD for comments his lawyer said and then shes here saying all this things and using quotes shows you how lunatic these people are! They live in another planet!
Have you ever heard a *viable* explanation as to *how* Johnny was responsible for the words that came out of another person's mouth? I'm absolutely baffled by this *win* for Amber. If you personally don't know I really hope someone else will jump in and tell me! We all know that we can only control ourselves, not anyone else. How does Lady Justice see this differently?
This is where Elaine practices law, I can't imagine that she has the respect of any Judge, Attorney, Court Reporter, Bailiff, or potential jury member in the entire state of Virginia.
I wish someone who ACTUALLY followed this trial would interview her and drill her because most interviewers just let her spill her nonsense.
She’s been asked,but has denied requests.!!!!
Exactly. Thank you. People are praising that dumb nfl player for basically saying to take some accountability, how about point out clearly ambers so called evidence and so called witnesses all fell flat on their face and how about all of JD’s evidence and witnesses testaments all added up. And more importantly is this a step back for women or a step back for people who think they can lie in court and ruin someone …. But nah not of them did that. If you ask me they let Elaine have it easy …. No surprise there though.
I'd love to see Rikeita or DUIGuy+ interview her.
@@evelynmurphy9599 well, I am really not surprised... again with the shady tactics.
forreal
Elaine to me looks like she was trying to defend her own reputation as a lawyer. She was not a very strong lawyer, her tactics didn't work and she was even petty at some points during the trial. They took to mocking JD in hopes that they could sway the jury. It only made it worse! Elaine going on talk shows is a joke and only makes AH look even WORSE! You are absolutely right about her behavior and how she reacted to what should be devastating news! She looked angry and her sister wasn't even upset for her supposed abused sister.
I think AH cared more about finding a female lawyer who wasn’t beautiful rather than anyone with skills.
Yes she can't stomach what an embarrassment pf a lawyer she was. All ego, just like Amber. Oh well let them dig their graves :)
Solid
Agree, she is she lost the case now it is more about saving her own reputation. I dont think she cares a dot about AH any longer, its about her and her reputation.
Ole shifty eyes, lol
If there were medical records, Amber would have leaked them. At least in the aftermath of this trial. What Elaine says is pure bs, trying to blame it on someone else.
Also she has told the court she doesn't have any medical records.
@@rohits7364 I was literally about to say this too lol
OF COURSE!! That's one of the first pieces of evidence you use in a DV case!!! C'mon Amber Turd and Elaine, the curtain was drawn, JUSTICE served now sit TF down...
If she had medical records-real medical records-they would have at least tried to get them entered into evidence.
@@bethfrench9064 the therapist notes are the only medical records, she used them in the UK trial so she’s still trying to used them in this trial even though they are inadmissible because they are hearsay. She’s also tried to get in notes from an ENT but that’s hearsay too. You have to have the ENT testify and she could have had her nose broken from a fall, plastic surgery or any number things. My mum used to tell me I broke my nose as a baby jumping out of my crib. It was never fixed as far as I know and it’s never shown up in a x-ray (but I guess baby noses are pretty malleable maybe).
As a woman who has being through an abusive relationship, that comment about and Amber's tweet about disappointing us, makes me angry everytime I hear it. I don't want to be used against someone who has actually suffered through same things as I have.
I was actually fine with Elaine doing interviews, do what you want. The thing that was so infuriating was the misinformation that she was spewing to the American people.
I emailed Bredehoft and Chew about her ethical boundaries, and her thin ice talk which perpetuates the defamation settlement in favor of Mr. Depp. She is egregiously misrepresenting the case and casting blame on the JURY! Really bad shxt.
That’s is the actual issue at hand. What she’s saying.
It’s clear Elaine Bredihoft wrote Amber Heard’s twitter reaction to the verdicf, after ‘I have no words’. And it is Bredihoft whose career is predicated not only on defending women, but also in righting a judicial imbalance against female victims of SV and DV. I think Spidey was right to bring up Festinger, in that ‘the cult’ in which Bredihoft is invested is, on a personal and professional level, decades in the making for her.
Unfortunately, she had a very poor client, with flimsy supportive evidence of that larger narrative.
That said - I don’t believe she’s a bad lawyer. It’s just a shame she’s pinned her tail on this particular ‘Dawn Coyote’, aka Amber.
Sure, she can do interviews, but the thing that annoys me is she accused everyone else of looking for their 15 minutes of fame. But what is she doing? I think that TMZ guy was onto something
Isn’t this misinformation more defamation?? This action that Amber’s lawyer is spewing is exactly what caused JD to pay $2m??
I was a paralegal at a law firm who represented many abuse victims. I've never seen a lawyer and victim act the way Elaine and AH acted when the verdict was read! It just reinforces my belief that AH is a vindictive liar. Also, it seems to me that Elaine wants to extend her time in the spotlight and "prove" she's actually a great attorney.....the judge and jury just got it wrong.
She’s desperately trying to save her own image and career.
She's not ready for her 15 minutes of fame to be over yet.
Agreed. Can see that she is also as selfish as AH
In a previous video he mentioned that people hire the lawyer they jive with best...I see lots of similarities between the two. No matter what she says or does now, her career as a lawyer is circling the drain.
I just noticed that Amber Heard initials are AH which is also the initials of,, @ss hole. it's the little things that delight me
It is interesting that Amber and Johnny chose legal teams similar to their own character and emotional makeup. Depp and his team developed an incredible, genuine connection and sense of purpose. This was reflected in their calm, measured approach to the case. Amber Heard chose a team that was emotionally disconnected from their client and demonstrated shallow, ineffective actions. They (specifically Elaine) were muddled and had a very confused disjointed approach.
Very true. He brought the A team while she brought the B te.
@@katearevalo1211
B? Seriously?
Exactly that is what I tough since the beginning of trial!
The bee team
Just look at their psychiatrist contrast 😂
Eloquent and accurate account of your observations of what you and all of us saw. We agree with you because we saw it, too. I feel insensed with Elaine's gaslighting since the verdict and AH's over the top behaviour during her testimonies. I'm impressed how telling behaviour is. It really does speak louder than words. I believed JD all along. He is believalbe when he is creating and retelling experiences, probably what makes me a fan for many years. I watched the trial and avoided headlines to stay in context and learn how storytelling via the law gets to the truth. You are awesome at analysing behaviour. Great video.
The vast majority thought the judgement in the UK was a travesty, after watching the trial. Then it turns out that the judge had a conflict of interests, and retired immediately afterwards.
When Elaine is saying what Amber "said", "I am so sorry to all these women!" Nate responds, "She said that?" And to me, in my opinion, it was very clear he was asking that because immediately when she said it, he did NOT believe it was true that Amber actually said that, but that Elaine was making it up as part of her plan to make Amber into a hero. And then Elaine answered so quickly, "Yes!" I do not believe for one second that Amber said that.
Guarantee she did NOT say that!
Elaine knows that AH is lying, we all saw it when she gave her cross-examination testimonies! Everybody saw it!
Yeah if she actually cared about anything she would not have concocted this diabolical plan of hers
I think he was surprised, thinking that Amber admitted to her lawyer that she had let women down with her false accusations. Honestly, that was the first thing that came to me when he responded with shock.
It reminded me of the reported time of the Jimmy whatever interview supposedly after time #32 that JD almost beat AH to a pulp* (*"allegedly", lol), where AH said to someone (the makeup artist??), "Can you believe I just did that [show] with two black eyes?" ... planting fake "evidence" and rumors for later use. So, yes, I can believe AH said the "all those women" part somehow, maybe just not first thing. Probably more in line with a PR statement that was ready to go.
The fact that Elaine put so much time in discrediting the witnesses, suggesting they only were there for their moment of fame, mentioning the money they got from Johnny, buying muffins etc shows how empty of true evidence their case was. It looks like they knew they had nothing to defend AH but to continue to smear and that’s what she’s still doing now after the verdict.
That is the key word "smear" total smear campaign.
Something like that shouldn't be allowed. The jury, the judge and the witnesses have to be protected. Nobody else went to the main stream media. That would be awful if everybody would do that.
Yeah JD should sue her for defamation on the same grounds that they brought up his former lawyers remarks on. Since they held him responsible for someone else’s comments, shouldn’t AH be held responsible for these defamatory interviews Elaine is now doing? I mean apples to apples right????
@@hannaz4617 Agree. Cheap, really cheap of Elaine - this is defamation again - cheap politiking.
The muffins! Aren't good attorneys supposed to know the answer to their questions? Geeez...it was like Amber handed her a sticky note saying "her husband knew I was coming in because he brought the muffins for us!"
Amber wasn’t sad she was Angry. Petulant and pissed off. As her temper is legendary her team was afraid to touch her or go into the room where she was. Can you imagine the tirade she unleashed on them? Sad that denotes some kind of softer emotions which Amber doesn’t have. Anger. Wanting to punish Johnny. Elaine is trying to paint her with some kind of nobility. It’s impossible to believe anything this woman is saying.
Amber Heard is no petulant child or liar nor is she ever angry ever.... amber is ain't not no KAREN
@@michael-4k4000 Your comment makes no sense. amber is constantly angry and constantly telling lies. Maybe not a karen, but she is an *amber* and that's not a good thing.
I've never felt so strongly that someone (who I don't know) is lying as much as I have Amber Heard. It's insulting to me as a man who has never been abused. I can just imagine how infuriating this is to real victims of abuse, especially women. My social worker friend who works with abused women is equally disgusted. Real victims don't act like that. They cry, have breakdowns. There's lots of moisture, awkwardness, and redness!
The anger I have towards amber, for her trying to make out she’s an “advocate” for people like me who have been assaulted, it makes me sick. She doesn’t represent shit, apart from the one she left in the bed. I knew she was a liar back in 2016 when her deposition came out and I watched it. Reminded me of a couple of ex’s that were abusive. I knew from the beginning she was a nasty, narcissistic abuser
Elaine keeps talking about the UK trial. That trial wasn't against A Heard it was against the Sun a rag news paper like thos cheap things in the grocery stores. Another thing; there was no jury only a judge who found Johnny guilty. I saw an attorney from the UK who explained what happened. He said in the UK he is called a Barrister those guys who wear a black robe and a white wig. They are the people who actually go to court, but someone else prepares the case and the other is a ( ? can't remember ) I think he said Solicitor who prepares the case. This man said Johnny didn't get a fair trial because the court believed Amber and there is no jury so it is easy to win in the UK whereas in the states one has to convince 12 people (or 7 in this case of defamation). Then I listened to a defense attorney who said in order for AH to appeal her case she has to come up with cash money for BOND. All of the court costs, the attorney fees, the payout, so she has to produce $15 million dollars. Intresting. Elaine is lying about the UK "trial."
@@chelseadelledonne5201 miss terd is an “advocate” and a very good one .and Narcasist Anonymous is really angry at her right now.
@@judegirl7607 what is more, the UK case wasn’t to prove the abuse, but to decide if the Sun had a credible source for the article. And since the source was the supposed victim, the Sun could say it doesn’t matter if the statements in that article are true, all that matters is that they believed them to be accurate due to the source. So they had the right to publish it.
There were apparently some irregularities in that case with the judge and his son, and a crucial bit of evidence wasn’t admitted, but the case itself was very different. Wish that some of the interviewers would grill her on that and not let her weasel her way out of it. „Can you tell us what the UK case was about, who were the defendants, why was there no discovery, what was the verdict?“ And then confront her with the facts when she lies. Which she would definitely do, as shown in these clips
Edit: after reading some more about the UK case, it seems i was wrong, the judge found 11 out of 13 (or something) claims of abuse to be true, but the way he arrived at that judgement was ridiculous. It was more an opinion, as he said AH was under oath so she must be telling the truth, so the audio recordings can be discarded. So there was no proof needed, he just decided that she is right and that was it.
...and believe me: you do not smirk or laugh whilst the abuses you claim are read aloud. Victims of abuse (I know) are still cause they re-live all those horrific moments again and again. It is 'hell on earth' to go through it again .. no laughting matter.
Such a great video. I wasn’t a huge fan of Elaine during the trial, but this gaslighting has made me legitimately angry.
From disrespecting the jury’s decision, to stating that this decision was a setback for all women, she had shown herself cagey and irresponsible with her worlds. I hope the MSM will come around to the great reporting content creators like yourself have been sharing.
To this day, MSM is still saying that Amber Heard is a victim and Johnny Depp is the aggressor. That the trial was a loss for women everywhere
Amber Heard: “I’m so sorry for all the women”
Me: She don’t represent me lol 😂. I am a survivor of DA & SA & i kid you freaking not, she 👏🏼 does 👏🏼 not 👏🏼 represent 👏🏼 ME 👏🏼! Glad she got called out for who she is. This whole trial was very triggering cuz she flat out lied on stand smh 🤦♀️. #justiceforjohnnydepp ✊🏼
How about you start focusing your anger against "the movement which allowed AH to make her BS claims in the first place"? FEMINISM!
There needs to be a second, third, fourth "women's movement" ... to make it clear that WOMEN ARE NOT A MONOLITH and that they have different hopes and dreams for their future and that FEMINISM ONLY SPEAKS FOR A TINY PART OF THEM!
IMO feminism has ALWAYS been evil, because it turned the relationship between man and woman from a SYMBIOSIS into a COMPETITION! There have certainly been men who "didnt appreciate enough what their wives did for them", but you can fix that by educating them ... instead of starting an all-out WAR between the sexes.
Good point.
I'm a survivor as well and she don't represent me either! Who wants a liar representing them, no thanks!
the first words out of her mouth were a stream of expletives--we've heard her swear! no way she gives a damn about all the women in the world
I'm a survivor too and she does not represent me. Vile woman!
I've given Brederhoft's performance in these 2 media interviews more thought because it bothered me that she took time to embrace Heard after the hearing was closed. This suggests to me that, at least at that moment, she understood why the jury delivered the the verdict they did (I refer to Chew's remark in another interview that Brederhoft is a competent lawyer) and understood that, in fact, their evidence was not persuasive, but she wasn't empathic toward Heard and consoling her client wasn't her first, instinctive reaction. Brederhoft was watching Depp's legal team first and, it seemed to me, decided to emulate them by embracing Heard. My intuitive feeling is that having to deal with a very public "hard loss" Brederhoft is more interested in saving her professional reputation. Brederhoft complains about the presence of television cameras in the court room, something that I understand is almost ubiquitous in America, the role of social media and the preponderance of Depp fans in the audience versus Heard supporters. None of this is relevant to the case or the jury's findings but can have a huge impact on Brederhoft's professional reputation and future career, which she is now desperate to save. This is why she is avoiding to answer Burleson's question and instead she deviates and distracts. The approach I see here seems to be the same one she applied in the court room : make unprovable allegations based on weak evidence and blame everyone but one's self. I'm not impressed. Reality is always more nuanced. It's also telling that she did not bring Rottenborn with her either interview. His performance in the court room was as rotten and Vasquez's was impressive. They're so bad that I wouldn't recommend either to my adversary, should I find myself involved in litigation.
Gayle's vacant facial expression said it all: "This woman makes no sense, why is she on my show if i can't even ask her a question that she'll answer." Even her co-hosts have this "wait, what?" look. When Nate asks "She said that?" people KNOW she certainly has NEVER apologized to anyone for anything ever.
AH did the same thing, that her lawyer is doing, eject she was on the stand. Never just answered a question with "yes", "no" or maybe a1 sentence answer. It always involved other, unrelated "
Wife is not always right 😜😜
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I know many people attacked Gayle, but she's a great interviewer and will ask the hard questions. However, she will always be respectful. Nate's question was great.
She does apologize, and has apologized in recordings...but immediately walks back on her apologies. If she apologized to women, she probably immediately walked back on it and said something like, "if only they weren't so in love with Johnny."
To double down & call Depp an abuser when he’s just been cleared by an extensive trial!
Her behaviour like that of her client towards victims is appalling!!
I wonder if Johnny could sue Elaine for defamation. She actually defamed Johnny in this interview!
@@debbieroberts5866 Elame is lucky that Johnny just wants to move on. I think that's what she's counting on. But Elame may very well f&ck around and find out if she keeps on. They might give her a desk on a conservative news channel (that's probably what she's angling for anyway).
People attract people with similar mindsets/attitudes.
Amber is a shitty manipulative lying gaslighter. Is it really weird that Rottenborn and Elaine demonstrate the exact same traits....
@@LadyAstarionAncunin The conservative news channels are pro-Depp and opposed to the me-too movement, maybe an over generalization, but that is how I see it.
@@LadyAstarionAncunin I hope when he receives his $15M, he donates the lot to a charity for men who have been through domestic abuse - that would p^ss Amber Heard off since she failed to give the donations she promised and that came out during this trial!
Not only is Elaine a poor trial lawyer, she's also a very bad liar and these morning show interviews showed that (there's a joke about lawyers and lying somewhere).
She’s being a businesswoman. She might not be a good lawyer, but she’s gonna have a Halo now amongst everyone who followed pro-amber sources. From now on she can blame her failures on an evil Depp while charging top dollar.
shes also defaming JD by continuing to call him an abuser on international TV like is she for real right now .. WOW
waits for JDs team to sue her now
That’s freaking rude saying she had more evidence than most people do are you kidding me. There were no documentations from a doctor a police officer etc. I’m sure lots of women out there have more evidence than she does and it doesn’t take much evidence to prove abuse if you have the right kind of evidence.
Something is wrong with Amber. She has a her almost like she believes her own lies.
Also she’s worried about not getting paid by Amber
Of all of the body language experts that I have seen, you truly are the top of the line. I love the way you talk about the history of behavioral analysis and tie that same reference to explain your analysis. The words you choose and the tone you use are brilliant and your ability to connect the dots are astounding. You make your audience yearn to hear more. I can listen to you speak all day long!!
Elaine is talking about Amber's records when she talked to her therapist. This information isn't factual records because you can tell a therapist things that aren't factual.The UK trial was Johnny against The Sun and Amber was a witness for The Sun. The UK judge was biased because his son essentially worked for same company as The Sun.
....UNFORTUNATELY KAREN
THE FREEMASONS
RULE EVERYTHING IN THE
UK!!!!
INCLUDING THE LEGAL & JUDICIAL SYSTEM
&
THE COURTS
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Yeah a judge hearing The Sun would have been interested in hearing if The Sun made up things, and the judge would be satisfied with anything Amber said, that no, The Sun did get this info from somewhere, they didn't just invent it on their own to be malicious. That doesn't make anything she said true. That doesn't mean just because the judge said The Sun did not defame Depp, that the judge could write in stone that what Amber alleged was true.
Also, that same Judge refused to allow the appeal, then promptly retired afterwards. This came from an interview from a UK Barrister that was following the UK trial. It was quite interesting actually.
Yes your right 👍
Elaine is hoping to extend her 15 minutes. The fact she’s ignorant to the fact she doesn’t know what she’s doing is making her look even worse says a lot.
Prediction, Elaine is going to write a book about being Heards lawyer.
If I were her, I would, as quickly as possible, because I don't see many people beating a path to Elaine's door for legal advice.
But client - attorney privilege...? She might want to, since I'm not sure who wants her as a lawyer from now on.
@@PriyaPans Jodi Arias' lawyer wrote a book about representing her, Jodi and Amber are very similar in many ways come to think of it.
Write it on toilet paper and sell it less than toilet paper at store. Make it soft toilet paper. I might buy it for people to wipe their butts with
Her lawyer clearly is a blatant lier, like Amber herself.
If they had medical records, of course they would have been admissible - if relevant to the case.
Her attorney is losing my respect, the more she does this. Either she did a rubbish job, and Amber was lying, it seems.
She's also tainting the judge's reputation, cause she's implying the judge allowed not to admit relevant medical records because of JD's celebrity status.
She's talking about Amber talking to a therapist. Those type of records are hearsay. That would be just what Amber tells somebody. It can't be proven to be factual. She had no medical doctor reports of abuse nor did she have dental records from abuse. Elaine is lying yet again.
The ‘medical’ records she’s talking about are Amber’s therapist notes. In other words, Amber’s lies she told her therapist. Elaine is saying medical to make it sound worse.
"Misery love company".
Were you born yesterday? All lawyers are liars.
I’m sad that this is the last video in this series because I don’t normally watch long TH-cam videos but this was absolutely fascinating and I’ve learnt so much with this real life example where I know the whole context. Your analysis has been fair, unbiased and objective and was so enjoyable to watch. It helped me feel comfortable within my own opinions because body language is an amazing science that I have always been interested in. Thank you Spidey! If you to do a couple more of bens interview etc. it would be awesome but if not that’s ok :)