I used to like that bloke on Red Dwarf and scraphead challenge (showing my age) - but what a smarmy, know it all, lying sell out he really is. That smirking nod to a load of nonsense is infuriating.
I love your videos Barry. You are doing the general public a great service by pointing out the obvious flaws in the overwhelmingly false EV propaganda narrative.
'False EV propaganda narrative"..🤣🤣🤣...A relative whisper compared to the anti EV FUD spread about by the mighty the oil industry. Try to work out who the bad guys are here.
When you plan a long journey in an EV you have to take a longer route to visit charging stations which are compatible with your car's plug-in system. There are even Apps specifically to help the EV driver with this issue! I can only assume that the extra mileage driven (if this is true??) is done out of necessity rather than enjoyment.
My father has a BMW. He is retired his car does only a couple of thousand miles a year. My car was owned by an OAP it was on less than 14,000 at 4 years old. There also a couple of preserved cars. All have real engines
The Luton factory is closing not because “we” don’t buy EVs it’s because an EV van is a waste of time! A tradesman will spend around an hour a day waiting for his vehicle to charge. Time is money to a tradesman!
The Luton factory. Closing has been on the cards for the last 20 years . This is the latest in a long series of excuses to shut it. Maybe this time they will . Every time government doesn’t do what they want . we will shut the Luton factory. Stellantis hate Luton
The two idiots on the Enso video made me chuckle. “Every mile is practically free”. Unbelievable lies. Also, the only conceivable reason they might have for making the claim that most EV do more than 14,000 miles is if they have some obscure data from a leasing company which only deals with company car drivers. It’s quite plausible the company car drivers would buy an EV due to the tax benefits that used to be in place And typically company car drivers drive more than a domestic driver.
@ I said “typically” domestic drivers driver fewer miles. So you drive 55 miles a day (averaged over 365 days). Some commute you must have. Should have bought a second hand diesel for a quarter of the price of your leaf and you would have saved loads of money and wear and tear and your batteries must be down to about 80 miles capacity from charging it almost every day for a few years, so zero resale value and the diesel would still be worth more than a 5 year old leaf with 100k on it🤣🤷🏼♂️
@richardmack1194 Bought it cheap for 8k just before COVID nearly put 100k on it with a good mileage allowance. Battery and range is fine.. 100 miles per charge is enough for what I use it for.
Great line. Driving around looking for chargers. 😂. I guess most EV buyers will be company cars. So that’s probably the reason for the small increase in average miles
You know diddly squat....you don't own an EV and you know nothing about them... 'Driving around looking for chargers'.🤣🤣...I've owned and EV since early 2019 and have to say that in the early days there were a few times where we had trouble finding a charger but since about 2021 it's been a doddle, plenty of rapid chargers and no problems on long hauls we've done. The level of ignorance around EV ownership is unbelievable for someone like me who actually knows what he's talking about and has the experience to back it up.
Professor Google says "Enso make better tires for electric vehicles." They're not claiming to be best in class or a quality product, just better I note. Better than who, or what or better than their ICE tyres? Why would I as an ICE car driver go to Enso tires/tyres and buy tyres that I have never heard of, or made for a car with a heavy battery? I wouldn't and nor would many ICE car owners. So he wouldn't exactly have a large sample of ICE vehicles for his data. Has he just extracted 12,000 miles based on an annual average quoted on your motor insurance? Most EVs are fleet cars and their leasers are not going to care about how many miles they've gone out of their way to find a charger, or travel for yet another safety recall, because they will hand the car back at the end of the lease period, whereas I own my car and I'm more careful about the miles I do. Let's be honest the guy works for a company that centres its business on EVs so his views aren't likely to be balanced or impartial, his data is more likely to be at risk of observer bias. Enso aren't exactly premium like Michellin. Filed under balderdash.
Most people are sound minded enough to realise that electric vehicles cost more to run than an ice vehicle. Depreciation on an ev is way above what a petrol / diesel car is . That’s without using the sky high fast charge facilities that are being installed throughout the country.
See Radio 4 You and Yours today 2nd Dec on how the massive drop in EV values cost someone £6,000 after a battery fire even though it was a lease car with a residual.
Really!? Sounds like you have a lot of experience owning and driving EVs. Of course you don't but you're probably not interested in listening to people like me with more than 5 years real world EV owning experience. I've never had a problem finding a charger on long hauls and only once have I ever had to wait for a charger to come free..I had to wait 10 minutes and that was 3 years ago. These days there are plenty of chargers around and they're by and large reliable...especially Tesla which never seem to fail.
All companies are virtually giving their company car drivers no choice but to have a BEV so I assume it would be business mileage. An EV is ideal for local journeys for the private motorist. I know one business man who had his EV for 4 weeks, 1st week fine, 2nd &3rd weeks he was on holiday in Cornwall with his wife and 2 kids (7&11) he said it almost caused him to divorced 3 times due to him always trying to find a charger and abandoning his family at the beach or amusement parks. 4th week he had a diesel back on the drive.
Why do people drive further in ev’s? If it IS true, and some research on cars for sale pretty much disagrees, but if it IS true, then it’s obvious. The ev’s in question are company cars and they are in a constant state of drive and charge, drive and charge. I’d wager a huge amount of money is lost by the companies utilising them due to loss of earnings due to charging. 👍
So if EVers average 14k miles, and causing more miles to be driven in the UK, how come the lease deal mileage charges come in at only 6k miles nowadays?
I was looking at new EV that is launched for the UK market…On its website the manufacturer goes a long way to advertise its 10-80% of 30 mins and that its max range is 438 based on WLTP standards. To achieve max range you need 100% battery charge. I need to know how much time it will take 0-100% so I can have that max range. Cherry picking stats for the purpose of making something appear better is very annoying. Alternatively, inform me what usable range I have if I only use 70% of the battery.
just my take on it... a factory has 200 employees. almost all get minimum wage. they drive cheap ICE and live local. the top execs. get paid the most. (and subsidised), drive expensive EVs and dont live local.. often driving about to meet clients and other business stuff. =. Evs do more mileage..
The real ev PROBLEM myth being spread yet again by that pilchard is "Every mile is practically free". When a generous calculation says the battery depreciation costs about 6 pence per mile. (not including labour costs etc) Unfortunately this issue does not raise its ugly head until later when it shows up as huge vehicle depreciation, biting pilchards in the n4ds.
On the subject of ev's travelling more miles than fuel vehicles.. 1. Is that exactly true? 2. If so.. the answer is simple... 90%+ people with ev's haven't paid for them... They are disabled peoples cars or company cars... I think you'll find I'm correct on that one... I'm a big believer if the government wants to help save the planet and make driving fair when it comes to taxing people... Put Tax on fuel only... The more miles / the bigger the vehicle the more you pay... But i expect that's not going to suit those that do the taking 🤔
According to the Department for Transport the average mileage for a car in the UK is between 5,000 and 8,000 miles per year, so that will be all cars of all ages. Furthermore, research comes up with this gem: “Petrol cars have an average annual mileage of 5,348, while electric cars have an average annual mileage of 7,285.” Why the higher mileage? Because BEV’s are predominantly company cars. Carbuyer quotes the RAC: “Car up to three years old rack up an average of 10,400 miles a year and that’s spilt up into 12,500 a year for diesel cars, 9,400 for electric cars and 7,500 for petrol cars.” I suggest the grinning idiots in the clip you showed are speaking out of their arses as there numbers have no real context or source. Data without context is just a worthless pile of numbers. Not questioning people who spout this rubbish allows dangerous clowns like Miliband to wreck our country.
The stupidity of the whole 14k vs 12k miles really annoys me, it's the classic misunderstanding of how statistics work, confounding and good old fashioned correlation vs causation. As it stands EV drivers are always going to have a higher annual milage, as most of us are company car / business users. I'm surprised it's not a bigger margin between the two, I suspect it's being dragged down by the increase in Motability EV users.
The thing is if somebody wants an EV then go and buy one. What we need is the removal of the mandates to allow us to buy what we want. I'm sick of tax payers money being spaffed on these self entitled bigoted wa****s!
@Lewis_Standing do you really not understand that EVs aren’t as green as ICE cars till they have done between 22 to 32000 miles? And yet 79% of EVs for sale on Autotrader haven’t, do you not understand that?
So you'll be equally sick of tax payers money being 'spaffed' on the fossil fuel industry. Let me quote you "High Court ruling In 2022, the UK government was forced to admit in court that oil and gas companies may make more from subsidies than they pay in tax".....you(me) fund their exploration costs and their decommissioning costs...Do some research before you make statements about EV subsidies.
That EVs on average do more miles per annum than ICE on average is nothing to do with sample size. There are over 1 million EVs on UK roads now, OK ICE is much bigger but the accuracy diminishes once you get to a certain sample size and EVs are comfortably over that. The reason for them doing higher mileage is that they are newer. If you took ICE cars up to 5 years old you will get a similar higher than average annual mileage, cars tend to get more use in their early years and that's been true for decades. Don't sweat the small stuff Barrie!
@@craiglockley9939 I'm only quoting the RAC which says that cars up to 3 years old in the UK average 10,377 miles a year whereas the average annual mileage for the wider car population is 7,400 miles.
There are about 220 working days a year after holidays. If you live 27 miles from work and just use your car for commuting that is 12,000 miles. If the journey is 32 miles it adds up to 14,000 miles. Why is it surprising that people with longer commutes are more inclined to buy EV's, given that home charging costs about 1.5p / mile on an EV tariff, such as E-On "Next" vs 14p/mile for diesel? The more miles you commute the more money you save with an EV.
I get where you're coming from if you can charge from home cheaply, but those savings get neutralised by the heavy depreciation though. A petrol car may appear to cost more to run than an EV but if you get more back when you come to sell it then the lower depreciation helps with this substantially. If you decide to keep the EV forever, then its depreciation will not seem to be an issue until the battery fails and then a car which has been polished and treasured by its owner is suddenly a paper weight. nobody wants to buy it unless the owner spends £ thousands on the battery. The just seem "an expensive way to do things" from where I am standing, but each to their own.
@@jonathancolling2284 According to data from AutoTrader, EV depreciation within the first 12 months is higher than for petrol or diesel cars. After this point, the rate of depreciation slows significantly, matching that of ICE cars over time. The way to minimuse depreciation costs for both ice and ev is to never buy new. If you adopt this strategy then there is no disbenefit to ev vs ice. Whereas if you really just have to buy a new ice, you are obviously not too bothered about depreciation costs.
I’m a mechanic, just retired, I bought myself a Tesla in the slightest hope that I wouldn’t have to repair it! Guess what , 60,000 miles, it’s never been in a garage! It’s just awesome. I love this god dam thing 😊
@@petersimms4982 I’m not even slightly surprised. The servicing costs of Audi, Mercedes, Aston Martin, Ferrari and all other “high end” also regularly have eye wateringly large servicing bills.
When it has to go to the garage it will be Tesla tell you that you have a problem and have the parts ready and give you some appointment times to take it.
Welcome to another edition of not the evangelist news (gets me loads of views on TH-cam though)…..Not a fan of Vauxhall but if it gets me views so I’ll take it. Great full for the links to my videos as it gets my views up. We’re at home enjoying time with our loved ones (while I’m at home and I’m making videos on TH-cam. Drop it Barry and stop selling out, 12000 miles costs me £840 a year at standard rate or £255 at overnight rate which is more common, where as 12000 miles in my diesel @ £70 a tank doing 500 miles is around £1680 vs £255. The only argument that doesn’t make me feel sorry for multi million pound manufactures is the people that can’t charge from home. And how hard is that for a government that can’t put in place a system that allows people to charge at the standard rate who can’t otherwise.
@@Aitch80 you forgot about catastrophic EV depreciation which means it’s cheaper to run a 5 litre Mustang than a GWM Ora, even if it cost nothing to charge, but thanks for watching me on TH-cam 👍
You also forget about millions that have brought an EV like myself around 2019-2021 for between 9000-13000 vs a 2014 diesel with 90000-110000 for 8000-10000. Just admit your a business man and hot topics like this do you a favour, then society maybe wouldn’t go to ruins just for a few individuals one sided views.
Come on Barry, I’ve watched and researched EV’s enough, I know it’s not all shiny but I love to debate both sides. It’s not all doom and gloom as your videos suggest otherwise as previously disclosed you wouldn’t own 2. The best debate is the one that can see and appreciate both sides of the coin.
You can charge your battery up to full, the only reason they say charge to 80% is because it can take as long to charge the last 20% as the charge from 20 to 80%, if you are on the long run, it's better to charge twice say for 30 minutes then try and fill up to 100% in one. It's better for you to have a quick break after 100 miles than try and drive 200 miles in one go. In the early leafs the worst way to charge your battery was to have numerous short trips and keep plugging in to charge in-between. You're better charging the battery up then running it until it gets to 20% if you are only going to be doing short trips keeping the battery between 80/20% is supposed to beneficial. But don't forget the makers are selling these batteries with a 100K 8 year warranty. BYD has started with a 15 year warranty. If you don't know anything about driving an EV then do your research you have to use your brain a bit more that's all. Like checking the weather before you go out! .
Starts with Blackrock.
I used to like that bloke on Red Dwarf and scraphead challenge (showing my age) - but what a smarmy, know it all, lying sell out he really is. That smirking nod to a load of nonsense is infuriating.
If it's a battle of wits, you're unarmed.... magic statement ❤
😂
In fact, they produced very heavy vauxhall batterie vans, 70 mile range, absolutely ridiculous, Barry.
Spot on British gas bought thousands of them, but I'm not sure where they are now?, 70 mile range was at a push and never got anywhere near
Nice facts mate.@waltdisnenycopyright8048
I love your videos Barry. You are doing the general public a great service by pointing out the obvious flaws in the overwhelmingly false EV propaganda narrative.
'False EV propaganda narrative"..🤣🤣🤣...A relative whisper compared to the anti EV FUD spread about by the mighty the oil industry. Try to work out who the bad guys are here.
Extra milage looking for a charger that works
When you plan a long journey in an EV you have to take a longer route to visit charging stations which are compatible with your car's plug-in system. There are even Apps specifically to help the EV driver with this issue! I can only assume that the extra mileage driven (if this is true??) is done out of necessity rather than enjoyment.
My father has a BMW. He is retired his car does only a couple of thousand miles a year. My car was owned by an OAP it was on less than 14,000 at 4 years old. There also a couple of preserved cars. All have real engines
The Luton factory is closing not because “we” don’t buy EVs it’s because an EV van is a waste of time! A tradesman will spend around an hour a day waiting for his vehicle to charge. Time is money to a tradesman!
The Luton factory. Closing has been on the cards for the last 20 years . This is the latest in a long series of excuses to shut it. Maybe this time they will . Every time government doesn’t do what they want . we will shut the Luton factory. Stellantis hate Luton
The Luton factory makes ICE vans 😮
The two idiots on the Enso video made me chuckle. “Every mile is practically free”. Unbelievable lies. Also, the only conceivable reason they might have for making the claim that most EV do more than 14,000 miles is if they have some obscure data from a leasing company which only deals with company car drivers. It’s quite plausible the company car drivers would buy an EV due to the tax benefits that used to be in place And typically company car drivers drive more than a domestic driver.
I'm a domestic driver and I've averaged around 20k a year in my 30kwh nissan leaf.
@ I said “typically” domestic drivers driver fewer miles. So you drive 55 miles a day (averaged over 365 days). Some commute you must have. Should have bought a second hand diesel for a quarter of the price of your leaf and you would have saved loads of money and wear and tear and your batteries must be down to about 80 miles capacity from charging it almost every day for a few years, so zero resale value and the diesel would still be worth more than a 5 year old leaf with 100k on it🤣🤷🏼♂️
@richardmack1194 Bought it cheap for 8k just before COVID nearly put 100k on it with a good mileage allowance. Battery and range is fine.. 100 miles per charge is enough for what I use it for.
Has anyone addressed the EMFs from electric cars. Thats surely a bigger concern
The world has gone MAD !!!
Great line. Driving around looking for chargers. 😂. I guess most EV buyers will be company cars. So that’s probably the reason for the small increase in average miles
You know diddly squat....you don't own an EV and you know nothing about them... 'Driving around looking for chargers'.🤣🤣...I've owned and EV since early 2019 and have to say that in the early days there were a few times where we had trouble finding a charger but since about 2021 it's been a doddle, plenty of rapid chargers and no problems on long hauls we've done. The level of ignorance around EV ownership is unbelievable for someone like me who actually knows what he's talking about and has the experience to back it up.
I saw a US channel. It said the UK are buying the most EVs. 😅. The next country was Netherlands (about half as many).
Professor Google says "Enso make better tires for electric vehicles." They're not claiming to be best in class or a quality product, just better I note. Better than who, or what or better than their ICE tyres? Why would I as an ICE car driver go to Enso tires/tyres and buy tyres that I have never heard of, or made for a car with a heavy battery? I wouldn't and nor would many ICE car owners. So he wouldn't exactly have a large sample of ICE vehicles for his data. Has he just extracted 12,000 miles based on an annual average quoted on your motor insurance? Most EVs are fleet cars and their leasers are not going to care about how many miles they've gone out of their way to find a charger, or travel for yet another safety recall, because they will hand the car back at the end of the lease period, whereas I own my car and I'm more careful about the miles I do. Let's be honest the guy works for a company that centres its business on EVs so his views aren't likely to be balanced or impartial, his data is more likely to be at risk of observer bias. Enso aren't exactly premium like Michellin. Filed under balderdash.
Most people are sound minded enough to realise that electric vehicles cost more to run than an ice vehicle. Depreciation on an ev is way above what a petrol / diesel car is . That’s without using the sky high fast charge facilities that are being installed throughout the country.
Ha ha, that was a slam dunk Barrie! Nice one 😂
See Radio 4 You and Yours today 2nd Dec on how the massive drop in EV values cost someone £6,000 after a battery fire even though it was a lease car with a residual.
LOL - EV drivers travel more miles on average than ICE drivers .. Yes thats because they are driving around looking for a charging point that works!
It might also be because all EVangelists believe 80 miles is 300.
Really!? Sounds like you have a lot of experience owning and driving EVs. Of course you don't but you're probably not interested in listening to people like me with more than 5 years real world EV owning experience. I've never had a problem finding a charger on long hauls and only once have I ever had to wait for a charger to come free..I had to wait 10 minutes and that was 3 years ago. These days there are plenty of chargers around and they're by and large reliable...especially Tesla which never seem to fail.
Aren't most EVs company cars? Subsidised? Who would do higher mileages, company cars or private ones?
My thoughts exactly.
This.
The names Bond
Barry Bond
Shaken not stirred
I will take that 😂
Nice check out how many EVs on auto trader with over 100k miles miles ...hardly any surprise surprise
All companies are virtually giving their company car drivers no choice but to have a BEV so I assume it would be business mileage. An EV is ideal for local journeys for the private motorist. I know one business man who had his EV for 4 weeks, 1st week fine, 2nd &3rd weeks he was on holiday in Cornwall with his wife and 2 kids (7&11) he said it almost caused him to divorced 3 times due to him always trying to find a charger and abandoning his family at the beach or amusement parks. 4th week he had a diesel back on the drive.
Great comment
Hi watch the electric Viking on you tube talking about how the German car industry Evs are in serious trouble
Why do people drive further in ev’s?
If it IS true, and some research on cars for sale pretty much disagrees, but if it IS true, then it’s obvious.
The ev’s in question are company cars and they are in a constant state of drive and charge, drive and charge.
I’d wager a huge amount of money is lost by the companies utilising them due to loss of earnings due to charging. 👍
Probably because they are looking for a charger that works.
@@ohyesitsmeWhy wouldn't they just charge at home ?
EV’s drive 14,000 miles a year on average? I didn’t know that the EV koolaid was laced with LSD and cocaine. 😂
I do 20k in mine and I don't have a lease
18k pa in mine, but that's because it is perfect for my commute distance and I charge at home.
So if EVers average 14k miles, and causing more miles to be driven in the UK, how come the lease deal mileage charges come in at only 6k miles nowadays?
if the average mileage driven in the UK is 12000mls, whats the the average allowed in a lease vehicle
Whatever the agreement is you’d get charged penalised for going over it.
Reduced down to 6k for these EV plans Barrie has shown us in recent videos
I was looking at new EV that is launched for the UK market…On its website the manufacturer goes a long way to advertise its 10-80% of 30 mins and that its max range is 438 based on WLTP standards. To achieve max range you need 100% battery charge.
I need to know how much time it will take 0-100% so I can have that max range. Cherry picking stats for the purpose of making something appear better is very annoying. Alternatively, inform me what usable range I have if I only use 70% of the battery.
just my take on it... a factory has 200 employees. almost all get minimum wage. they drive cheap ICE and live local. the top execs. get paid the most. (and subsidised), drive expensive EVs and dont live local.. often driving about to meet clients and other business stuff. =. Evs do more mileage..
The real ev PROBLEM myth being spread yet again by that pilchard is
"Every mile is practically free".
When a generous calculation says the battery depreciation costs about 6 pence per mile.
(not including labour costs etc)
Unfortunately this issue does not raise its ugly head until later when it shows up as huge vehicle depreciation, biting pilchards in the n4ds.
On the subject of ev's travelling more miles than fuel vehicles..
1. Is that exactly true?
2. If so.. the answer is simple...
90%+ people with ev's haven't paid for them... They are disabled peoples cars or company cars...
I think you'll find I'm correct on that one...
I'm a big believer if the government wants to help save the planet and make driving fair when it comes to taxing people... Put Tax on fuel only... The more miles / the bigger the vehicle the more you pay...
But i expect that's not going to suit those that do the taking 🤔
Kryten what are you doing?
According to the Department for Transport the average mileage for a car in the UK is between 5,000 and 8,000 miles per year, so that will be all cars of all ages. Furthermore, research comes up with this gem: “Petrol cars have an average annual mileage of 5,348, while electric cars have an average annual mileage of 7,285.” Why the higher mileage? Because BEV’s are predominantly company cars. Carbuyer quotes the RAC: “Car up to three years old rack up an average of 10,400 miles a year and that’s spilt up into 12,500 a year for diesel cars, 9,400 for electric cars and 7,500 for petrol cars.” I suggest the grinning idiots in the clip you showed are speaking out of their arses as there numbers have no real context or source. Data without context is just a worthless pile of numbers. Not questioning people who spout this rubbish allows dangerous clowns like Miliband to wreck our country.
Question, why is there not a EV version of a HGV?. Is our Government (Ed Milliband) going to ban diesel engined HGVs?
Actually there are ev hgvs... Unbelievable. Some TH-cam truckers vlogging about them
@ can you send me a link?
There are plenty they just aren’t cost effective or up to the job.
@@tonyomalley901just search for it and find out yourself it’s not rocket science.
The stupidity of the whole 14k vs 12k miles really annoys me, it's the classic misunderstanding of how statistics work, confounding and good old fashioned correlation vs causation.
As it stands EV drivers are always going to have a higher annual milage, as most of us are company car / business users. I'm surprised it's not a bigger margin between the two, I suspect it's being dragged down by the increase in Motability EV users.
them two lesbians need a lesson!
The thing is if somebody wants an EV then go and buy one. What we need is the removal of the mandates to allow us to buy what we want. I'm sick of tax payers money being spaffed on these self entitled bigoted wa****s!
Completely agree. If a product (or service) is fit for purpose, it will be bought by the masses.
Do you really not understand why we have to stop using oil to power transport?
@Lewis_Standing do you really not understand that EVs aren’t as green as ICE cars till they have done between 22 to 32000 miles? And yet 79% of EVs for sale on Autotrader haven’t, do you not understand that?
@@Lewis_Standing is it so we can use the oil in manufacturing processes to produce other vital ‘stuff’ that we use day in, day out?
So you'll be equally sick of tax payers money being 'spaffed' on the fossil fuel industry. Let me quote you "High Court ruling In 2022, the UK government was forced to admit in court that oil and gas companies may make more from subsidies than they pay in tax".....you(me) fund their exploration costs and their decommissioning costs...Do some research before you make statements about EV subsidies.
Loved ones or our wives 🤣
I'd love to hear the EV shills argue these statistics.
"Ever mile is practically free"!! How wrong can this doughnut be?
That EVs on average do more miles per annum than ICE on average is nothing to do with sample size. There are over 1 million EVs on UK roads now, OK ICE is much bigger but the accuracy diminishes once you get to a certain sample size and EVs are comfortably over that. The reason for them doing higher mileage is that they are newer. If you took ICE cars up to 5 years old you will get a similar higher than average annual mileage, cars tend to get more use in their early years and that's been true for decades. Don't sweat the small stuff Barrie!
What nonsense . Why are there so many EV’s on auotrader that have only done a few thousand miles between 12 and 24 months?
@@craiglockley9939 I'm only quoting the RAC which says that cars up to 3 years old in the UK average 10,377 miles a year whereas the average annual mileage for the wider car population is 7,400 miles.
Evs can fly
There are about 220 working days a year after holidays. If you live 27 miles from work and just use your car for commuting that is 12,000 miles. If the journey is 32 miles it adds up to 14,000 miles. Why is it surprising that people with longer commutes are more inclined to buy EV's, given that home charging costs about 1.5p / mile on an EV tariff, such as E-On "Next" vs 14p/mile for diesel? The more miles you commute the more money you save with an EV.
Can you read?
I get where you're coming from if you can charge from home cheaply, but those savings get neutralised by the heavy depreciation though. A petrol car may appear to cost more to run than an EV but if you get more back when you come to sell it then the lower depreciation helps with this substantially. If you decide to keep the EV forever, then its depreciation will not seem to be an issue until the battery fails and then a car which has been polished and treasured by its owner is suddenly a paper weight. nobody wants to buy it unless the owner spends £ thousands on the battery. The just seem "an expensive way to do things" from where I am standing, but each to their own.
@@jonathancolling2284
According to data from AutoTrader, EV depreciation within the first 12 months is higher than for petrol or diesel cars. After this point, the rate of depreciation slows significantly, matching that of ICE cars over time. The way to minimuse depreciation costs for both ice and ev is to never buy new. If you adopt this strategy then there is no disbenefit to ev vs ice. Whereas if you really just have to buy a new ice, you are obviously not too bothered about depreciation costs.
It costs me £8 to do 300+ miles, which Ice car does that 😮EV ❤
You don’t get it, even if your EV was free to charge, if it depreciates by £700 per month then it costs more to run than an ice car
I’m a mechanic, just retired, I bought myself a Tesla in the slightest hope that I wouldn’t have to repair it! Guess what , 60,000 miles, it’s never been in a garage! It’s just awesome. I love this god dam thing 😊
That’s great except Tesla’s went down £700 last month, that’s the point
I’ve worked on bmw for the last 10 years, believe me some people had bills in excess of £6,000 😮
@@petersimms4982 I’m not even slightly surprised. The servicing costs of Audi, Mercedes, Aston Martin, Ferrari and all other “high end” also regularly have eye wateringly large servicing bills.
When it has to go to the garage it will be Tesla tell you that you have a problem and have the parts ready and give you some appointment times to take it.
Welcome to another edition of not the evangelist news (gets me loads of views on TH-cam though)…..Not a fan of Vauxhall but if it gets me views so I’ll take it. Great full for the links to my videos as it gets my views up. We’re at home enjoying time with our loved ones (while I’m at home and I’m making videos on TH-cam. Drop it Barry and stop selling out, 12000 miles costs me £840 a year at standard rate or £255 at overnight rate which is more common, where as 12000 miles in my diesel @ £70 a tank doing 500 miles is around £1680 vs £255. The only argument that doesn’t make me feel sorry for multi million pound manufactures is the people that can’t charge from home. And how hard is that for a government that can’t put in place a system that allows people to charge at the standard rate who can’t otherwise.
@@Aitch80 you forgot about catastrophic EV depreciation which means it’s cheaper to run a 5 litre Mustang than a GWM Ora, even if it cost nothing to charge, but thanks for watching me on TH-cam 👍
You also forget about millions that have brought an EV like myself around 2019-2021 for between 9000-13000 vs a 2014 diesel with 90000-110000 for 8000-10000. Just admit your a business man and hot topics like this do you a favour, then society maybe wouldn’t go to ruins just for a few individuals one sided views.
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@Aitch80 watch my videos, you might learn something 👍 obviously you haven’t from the first one but I live in hope
Come on Barry, I’ve watched and researched EV’s enough, I know it’s not all shiny but I love to debate both sides. It’s not all doom and gloom as your videos suggest otherwise as previously disclosed you wouldn’t own 2. The best debate is the one that can see and appreciate both sides of the coin.
You can charge your battery up to full, the only reason they say charge to 80% is because it can take as long to charge the last 20% as the charge from 20 to 80%, if you are on the long run, it's better to charge twice say for 30 minutes then try and fill up to 100% in one. It's better for you to have a quick break after 100 miles than try and drive 200 miles in one go. In the early leafs the worst way to charge your battery was to have numerous short trips and keep plugging in to charge in-between. You're better charging the battery up then running it until it gets to 20% if you are only going to be doing short trips keeping the battery between 80/20% is supposed to beneficial. But don't forget the makers are selling these batteries with a 100K 8 year warranty. BYD has started with a 15 year warranty. If you don't know anything about driving an EV then do your research you have to use your brain a bit more that's all. Like checking the weather before you go out!
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