How Britain and America LOST 11 DAYS | Gregorian calendar explained | Julian calendar explained

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  • @HistoryCalling
    @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Should we alter the anniversary dates we celebrate famous events on so that they align with the Gregorian calendar now in use, or just keep marking them on the ‘wrong’ day? Let me know what you think in the comments below and remember to check out:
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    • @natalieelizabeth6062
      @natalieelizabeth6062 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I would say we should not take into account the shift in the calendar and compensate historical dates to match accordingly. I’m of the opinion, that for the most part, we recognize the date as being significant and not the day (i.e. the position of the stars and where the planet was in its orbit lol)

  • @BlackCatMargie
    @BlackCatMargie 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    As a genealogist, I did know about the change in 1752, and thought I understood it. Your video has totally thrown my confidence in my understanding right out the window! 😂 Thanks, I think. 😅😜🥴

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Uh oh. Sorry! I hope I explained it well enough to give you your confidence back. It is annoying that different countries changed calendars at different times.

    • @BlackCatMargie
      @BlackCatMargie 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@HistoryCalling It's all good. I like having my knowledge challenged. Cheers.

  • @wncjan
    @wncjan 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    In Denmark the switch to the Gregorian calender happened in 1700. The day after February 18 was March 1. I used to ask my students how many children were born on February 25 1700?

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I'm sure they loved the trick question :-)

    • @wncjan
      @wncjan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@HistoryCalling The challenge was to find the answer on the internet. And to show them that everything can be googled in one search.😛

    • @yvonne3903
      @yvonne3903 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am in Scotland but always start Hogmanay and New Year with Australia time which gets a wee bit confusing to some of my friends in other countries.

    • @heronimousbrapson863
      @heronimousbrapson863 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lots. Just not in Denmark...

  • @kimberleyannedemong5621
    @kimberleyannedemong5621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    I knew we used the Gregorian calendar instead of the Julian calendar but I never knew why. Thank you for a very interesting & informative video

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks Kimberley. Yes, it's an interesting story how the world has very slowly made its way from one to the other. I believe last Christmas was the first time Ukraine had actually celebrated it on the Gregorian calendar for instance (though they use the Gregorian already for most things).

    • @andypham1636
      @andypham1636 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it was just the Ukranian orthodox church @@HistoryCalling

  • @AmynAL
    @AmynAL 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    WHEW! That was an interesting video. I had to watch it twice, but alas, I did not mind. Just leave it like it is please. I’m not sure this grandmother can time travel successfully. I just love your videos! I learn so much and go down so many rabbit holes. You are helping me stay young!! Keep up the good work. 🥰

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Amy. Yes, I know what you mean about it being confusing. I'm glad I didn't have to live through it. I support just keeping our anniversaries the same too. I can't be bothered learning all the new dates.

  • @stephencarrillo5905
    @stephencarrillo5905 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I'm liking this even better on the second viewing, HC. It's great that you take on diverse and wide-ranging subjects. 👏👏I'd say just leave anniversary dates as they are; I already have trouble keeping track.🤔 Have a great week!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE DONATION STEPHEN and I'm glad you're enjoying the video again. Have a great week too :-)

  • @mcgrathsw1
    @mcgrathsw1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    That was wonderfully interesting! I really enjoy when you branch out from your usual fare.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Thank you. Me too. The less run of the mill topics don't do as well of course, but they're good for my sanity in many ways. There's only so much royalty a person can take.

  • @FandersonUfo
    @FandersonUfo 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    ty for all the little details as per usual - very fun to watch

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad you like them :-)

  • @SurferJoe1
    @SurferJoe1 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sometimes, and this is one of those cases, I listen intently, pause, rewind, listen again; scratch my chin thoughtfully, re-focus, re-engage, and finally end up being thankful and content that somewhere in Ireland, a very bright person with a beautiful, lilting voice understands it all. Stay on that wall for us, HC!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      AWW, THANK YOU JOE FOR SUCH A KIND DONATION AND LOVELY COMMENT :-) I'm not sure I understand it all, but I'll keep trying :-)

  • @tonyk1584
    @tonyk1584 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    With tongue firmly planted in my cheek, I can relate how one day I was foolish enough to make a disparaging remark about my wife’s cooking. She happily “cleaned my clock” and when I awoke, I found that I too had lost 11 days.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Haha! Well, never criticise the chef ;-)

    • @annmoore6678
      @annmoore6678 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🤣

  • @gillsinclair6927
    @gillsinclair6927 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    It must have been so confusing for people at that time. As far as the calendar is concerned, leave things be. Thanks for the information and your detailed research

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, it would have been wild to jump a week and a half like that. I'm sure it affected things like birthdays, anniversaries etc for decades.

  • @patpierce4854
    @patpierce4854 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I’ve got a (fairly) recent personal story related to how the Julian vs. Gregorian calendar change almost derailed (or rescheduled) my own wedding! I am an Orthodox Christian. My parish and all those under our bishop, followed what we called the Old Calendar (Julian) for feast days and such. When my fiancé popped the question, we planned for our wedding to happen in August, after what would have been the 14 day fasting period for the Dormition. During fasting periods, weddings aren’t allowed. To my astonishment, in springtime of the year of our wedding, our entire jurisdiction changed over to aligning with the New Calendar, making the 13 day changeover into something that now had my wedding occurring in the forbidden fasting period, which would have thrown all of our 18 months of planning out the window! Thankfully, our bishop granted us an exemption, and our wedding day was able to stay on the same date in the civil (New, or Gregorian) calendar. Knowing how this affected me and my family, the mind boggles what a challenge it must have been for entire nations to make the switch, or to live at a time when next door neighbor countries were using different systems.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh wow. That's quite a story. I'm so glad to hear you were able to get it sorted and still have your wedding as you planned.

  • @theresalaux5655
    @theresalaux5655 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This was so interesting. Thank you very much!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Theresa :-)

  • @annmoore6678
    @annmoore6678 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Here in Oregon, there is an effort to stop the time changing every six months (springing forward one hour in the Spring and falling back in the Fall). It has not been at all easy to make the change. If we spring forward one last time and remain in Daylight Saving all year, the federal government has to approve it. If we don't go into Daylight Saving one time in the spring and just remain in Standard Time for the rest of history, our legislature can decide it for this one state. But even that is not easy to do. When I worked in Michigan, there were some parts of Indiana that used Daylight Saving Time and others that did not. Deciding whether it was too early or too late to make a telephone call to any given part of Indiana was a problem all summer long for our office. The moral of the story is: we'd best not try to get the whole world to agree on a change!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yikes. That all sounds like a nightmare. I already thought it must be difficult to have a country split into different time zones the way the USA is and you've just confirmed it even further for me.

    • @tanyarobinson1146
      @tanyarobinson1146 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@HistoryCalling to be fair this US is a very big country. We need time zones to function well. It really isn't confusing. Daylight savings is horrible, I never feel right off 8 months.

    • @annmoore6678
      @annmoore6678 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oregon just failed today to agree on giving up Daylight Saving Time. We’d best not try to get the whole world to agree on switching historic anniversary dates!

    • @dennispepperack2973
      @dennispepperack2973 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryCalling Not to mention states like Kentucky, Tennessee (used to live in Nashville) & Florida (now live in Tampa) that have portions in both Eastern & Central time zones. But I mostly remember being confused & bemused as a kid in the 70's near Detroit studying the American Revolution & all the birthdates for the major cast of characters being listed in both N.S. & O.S.

  • @dutchhistoricalactingcolle5883
    @dutchhistoricalactingcolle5883 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR VERY KIND DONATION. I hope you had a good time (pun intended) watching the video :-)

  • @david_walker_esq
    @david_walker_esq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I wouldn't alter the anniversary dates or holidays to align with the Gregorian calendar unless we adopted a new 13 month long year, 28 day long month calendar which would also require altering the anniversary dates currently recognised on our current calendar.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That's pretty complicated. Let's just keep things as they are :-)

    • @cordeliacullen2621
      @cordeliacullen2621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's a calendar that did exist! It's the Kodak calendar, after the photography company which was weird and exclusively used a 13 month year.

    • @david_walker_esq
      @david_walker_esq 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@cordeliacullen2621 The Anishinabek (Ojibwe, Odawa and Potawatomi) seemed to have had such a calendar as well. The names for the months correspond to activities done during that lunar period. For example: "Iskigamizige-Giizis" means Maple Sap Boiling Moon, which corresponds to April when the maple runs and can be harvested and boiled down into syrup. "Manoominike-Giizis" means Wild Ricing Moon, which corresponds to August when the rice is harvested by canoe. "Gashkadino-Giizis" means freezing moon, which corresponds to November when the winter frost sets in and so on.

    • @Nibiru3600X
      @Nibiru3600X 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My messed up cycle would very much appreciate this calendar 🙏

  • @EriAug78
    @EriAug78 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Wow my head is spinning lol you did a fantastic job explaining that. I’ve always wanted to look more into that .

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much. I'm really glad it was helpful :-)

  • @historylover13
    @historylover13 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Absolutely fascinating! Thank you for this excellent explanation of the Georgian/Julian calendars.

  • @andypham1636
    @andypham1636 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fun fact: Sweden tried but failed to switch to the Gregorian calendar gradually. it was meant to last to 1740, but was abandoned in 1712 after confusion.
    The plan was to skip leap days to eventually sync with the Gregorian calendar, but the great northern war stopped any further omissions of leap days. In 1712, February 30th was added to return Sweden to the Julian calendar. In 1753, a year after Britain, Sweden finally switched to the Gregorian calendar, going from February 17th to March 1st.

  • @revgurley
    @revgurley 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I love to have conversations with my hubby about time, how we measure it, etc. We're really quite lucky living right now, as we've had a way of counting for our entire lifetimes. I have a hard enough time writing the new year for the first two months - can you imagine having to start over every time a new ruler came into power (like ancient Egyptians)?

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I know. It sounds so awkward. I suppose they were just used to it, but I certainly think our way seems better (I'm biased of course).

  • @elisabethhopson5639
    @elisabethhopson5639 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Mindboggling is how I would describe this. A whole 11 days goes missing from the calendar, no wonder there was so much confusion. Should we change the festivals - nope. Things are bad enough as it is without making Christmas on the 3rd of January. Doesn't have the same ring about it. Easter jumps about anyway. Thanks HC, not sure I got all this, but I can always watch again in 11 days time huh? 😆

  • @pamsharpe60
    @pamsharpe60 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A really interesting video, I enjoyed it very much. Thank you!

  • @richd6362
    @richd6362 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Great video. George Washington was born February 11, 1731 under the old system. He changed his birthday to February 22, 1732 to celebrate the actual day of his birth.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Ah, thank you. Someone else mentioned him to me and we wondered how he managed his birthday. I said there must be a source out there that explains if he kept it or switched it and you've just answered my question for me :-)

  • @elizabethjones5041
    @elizabethjones5041 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Leave things as they are, life is complicated enough without doing this. Thank you for an interesting video x

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I agree. I couldn't be bothered relearning all the dates :-)

  • @vernon2542
    @vernon2542 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    That was very interesting, as I had never heard of this happening. I think that the anniversary days should stay as is. Thank you look forward to next weeks.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Vernon. Yeah, it's not terribly well known (unless you're an 18th century nerd like me of course).

  • @dutchhistoricalactingcolle5883
    @dutchhistoricalactingcolle5883 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you for this!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My pleasure. Thanks for watching :-)

  • @sjodoin1474
    @sjodoin1474 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for a clearr explanation!!!!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're welcome. It was quite complicated to research, so I'm glad the end result was easy enough to follow.

  • @joklazen
    @joklazen 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Verry well done on the pronounciation of Hellevoetsluis! :D

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you. I had to use an online pronunciation guide (as I do for a lot of words in my various videos), but you still never know if it's quite right.

  • @MelEveritt
    @MelEveritt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Do the museums ever get cranky at you for writing History Calling on everything? 😅😅 great video as usual, thanks from outback Queensland, Australia 😊

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hehe. No, I've never had complaints. :-) The images from museums are mostly either public domain, or I took them myself and so I own the copyright on the photo. If anything, I think they'd be happy that in the case of their photographs from their website, even when I don't have to, I acknowledge where I get them. Greetings to you too from the UK (where of course I'm living in the 'past' compared to you guys down under, who are about 12 hours in the 'future').

  • @morriganwitch
    @morriganwitch 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This always fascinates me xxx

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, it's an interesting story, though not one that gets a lot of attention.

    • @morriganwitch
      @morriganwitch 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryCalling well done you tho for doing it xxx

  • @sekhmet7440
    @sekhmet7440 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very interesting question proposed to us at the end. I believe in keeping it simple; if something happened on say 15th September, you should remember it each 15th September; keep it a constant. Take things like birthdays, anniversaries or mourning the day you lost a loved one in the years following... We remember a date and celebrate it on that date, whether it happened EXACTLY x years ago or not. It would be far too difficult to keep track of 'real' date changes after leap years etc. Then there's the issue of time; for example British Summer Time was only implemented in 1916; we remember the sinking of the Titanic in 1912 at 2:20am but, in Britain since 1916, it technically occurred at 3:20am BST (as BST is GMT+1) given maritime uses GMT... A lot to be said, but it's mostly symbolic so as long as we personally fulfil what we want to (whether it be remembering people/events, celebrating birthdays etc) the logistics don't massively matter... Let me know what you think!

  • @cordeliacullen2621
    @cordeliacullen2621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The "no year zero" thing is why centuries are weird, also. The 1800s are the 19th century, because 1-100 is the first century instead of 0-99. So 1801-1900 is the 19th century, and so on.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I know. It totally messed with people's minds at the time of the millennium (as did the fact that Jesus' birth was miscalculated anyway).

    • @heronimousbrapson863
      @heronimousbrapson863 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      To make everything logical, not only would there have to have been a year zero, each century would have to have a decade zero, and the first century would have to be renamed century zero as well.

  • @emmarichardson965
    @emmarichardson965 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Oh! Deborah Harkness's All Souls Trilogy mentions this! Book 2 takes place in 1591, and the characters discuss England and France having different dates.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      LOVE those books and the TV show too and season 2 is my favourite. :-)

    • @emmarichardson965
      @emmarichardson965 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@HistoryCalling I started watching it for the costumes in season 2!

  • @beastieber5028
    @beastieber5028 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Good evening to history calling from Bea 🇬🇧

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Bea. Something a little different from my normal fare this week :-)

  • @simon112
    @simon112 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think it's confusing enough haha so. I'd keep things as they are, superb as always HC, it sounds a real nightmare sorting out dates and calendars. 😊👀

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Simon. Yes, I agree. I can't be bothered memorising lots of new anniversary dates. I'm just going to continue associating Anne Boleyn's death with 19 May for example.

    • @simon112
      @simon112 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryCalling Thank you HC totaly agree.

  • @deniseramosgonzalez4799
    @deniseramosgonzalez4799 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for explaining this so throughly 😊

  • @selinapersaud7629
    @selinapersaud7629 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wonderfully detailed video! It would be interesting to see you cover the smaller increments of time and how they were used, or how Europe reacted to them.
    That would be really confusing though, but it would be interesting.
    Nice work, Professor!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks Selina. Oh gosh, that sounds like it would be even more of a headache than this one was :-)

  • @wendym215
    @wendym215 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow maybe late lately but excellent as ever wow this was interesting thanks @historycalling

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ah, but can you really be late to a video about timey wimey stuff? :-) (a little Doctor Who reference there, just in case you don't watch it).

    • @wendym215
      @wendym215 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @HistoryCalling yes I used to watch Dr Who great reference 😀😃🙂

  • @AXEL00754
    @AXEL00754 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you for yet another fascinating video. I have also wondered about the origins of the various calendars. Well done again👏

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you very much. I'm glad you liked it. It's not a very popular topic I'll admit, but I find it interesting and wanted to do a video on it.

  • @beth7935
    @beth7935 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such an interesting topic, thankyou for the comprehensive explanation! I knew about some of it, but it's so complicated & there were multiple changes.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No worries. Glad you found it helpful. :-)

  • @nadjakari1752
    @nadjakari1752 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Loved it!!!

  • @maryloumawson6006
    @maryloumawson6006 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good heavens! I had no idea the calendar change caused so much difficulty. I knew about it, but always thought it amounted to much ado about nothing Something like the Y2K controversy we had around the turn of the 21 century. Also, because much of the population were rural, agrarian people, I assumed it went by largely unnoticed by most people since most people were not literate at the time. But I can see where certain countries being reluctant would be bound to cause confusion among tradesmen, landlords, sailors and even farmers when you consider the festivals and harvest times. This was very enlightening HC, thank you! I vote we don't change a thing about our celebrations. Life offers many changes that are hard to avoid, we don't need any more. (When did watching TV become so complicated?) ;-)

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I know. I'm so glad I didn't have to live through the era of multiple calendars and date changes. Y2K was annoying enough (remember the millennium bug?) Yes, I would keep celebrations as they are now too. Too much hassle to change them and relearn all the dates.

  • @itsjustme7487
    @itsjustme7487 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The bank I used to work for still used the Julian calendar for filing purposes but the Gregorian calendar for all other business.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      That sounds horrendously complicated!

    • @itsjustme7487
      @itsjustme7487 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryCalling Once I got used to it, it was OK.

    • @The_DuMont_Network
      @The_DuMont_Network 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What was the purpose of that?

    • @itsjustme7487
      @itsjustme7487 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@The_DuMont_Network I was never told, but I think it had to do with the banks Y2K compatable computer operating systems.

    • @j0078924la
      @j0078924la 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      What was the purpose 🤔

  • @Rocsanna
    @Rocsanna 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such an interesting topic! As usual, a very well researched and entertaining video! 👏

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Rocsanna. I think so too (about how interesting it is) :-)

  • @annmoore6678
    @annmoore6678 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank. you so much for explaining that history so clearly. I remember having to deal with the question of what date/year it was when I was an undergraduate studying Tudor history and reading correspondence and legal proceedings from the Tudor era (not in original manuscripts, but in modern editions). I didn't really understand why two dates and sometimes two years often appeared. Now I do! I don't think it would be useful or even feasible to try to reposition the dates of events from before the changes (such as the Ides of March 44 B.C.). Too many different cultures and governments would have to buy in, and it seems unlikely we'd get it completely sorted out in any workable time frame.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Ann. Yes, I agree. It would be a nightmare to change everything now and I for one couldn't be bothered learning all the new dates. :-)

  • @MichelleBruce-lo4oc
    @MichelleBruce-lo4oc 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi , awesome live video I enjoyed it. Happy Leap Day to you. How are you doing? I'm doing well and so is my cat Benjamin. We have cold weather today. How is the weather where you are? Have a great day see you next video 😊

  • @yvonne3903
    @yvonne3903 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is a fascinating subject,

  • @straingedays
    @straingedays 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks, this has made those very early conflicting dates/years on my family tree make a little more sense. But I don't think we should alter dates of famous events to conform with our adjusted calculations of time. If I lived in the past and stubbed my toe on the 5th of June 1750, then that's the date it happened then, when & there, for me.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha, I agree. It would be too confusing to have to memorise a whole host of new dates now.

  • @shanenolan5625
    @shanenolan5625 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're welcome. Thanks for watching :-)

  • @matthewmckever2312
    @matthewmckever2312 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I didn't know about the new year starting at the end of March, so that was surprising.
    Strange concept in so many regards, humanity has ALWAYS been obsessed by such an abstract idea, its so ingrained in our reality that it is very often not even considered, like gravity, oxygen and light.
    When i first thought about it being the 20th century while humans have been around for 300 thousand years, wild.
    Brilliant stuff.

  • @aldonapolitano5979
    @aldonapolitano5979 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    We love your channel. Unless I missed it, I'm disappointed that you glossed over A.D.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you. I'm not sure I understand what you mean about glossing over AD though? Do you mean the reasons we say AD vs BC or CE vs BCE?

    • @aldonapolitano5979
      @aldonapolitano5979 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryCalling No. It's the current, recent trend to obviate the use of AD, Anno Domini or Year of Our Lord and BC, Before Christ.

  • @AusNetFan13
    @AusNetFan13 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Strange, the actual day lasts for 23 hours 56 minutes 4.1 seconds. Also known as a Sidereal Day. Besides leap days, sometimes we insert leap seconds into the day. The calendar and time are interesting subjects.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I've heard of leap seconds too. It's all pretty complicated.

  • @DarthDread-oh2ne
    @DarthDread-oh2ne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Fun fact: While on his deathbed, Peter II advisors tried to get him to sign A will, naming his fiancé as his heir but he was too sick. If he had done it; the dynasty of Russia would have changed.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Ah, but Kings' wills don't always hold anyway. Just look at Henry VIII. His will was chucked aside very quickly when it came to the Protectorate.

    • @DarthDread-oh2ne
      @DarthDread-oh2ne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryCalling True but Peter the great made A law that any tsar could name his or her successor.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Ah, but what if another Tsar made a different rule, as Edward VI tried to do when he attempted to change the succession laid down in his father's will? It's all very messy.

    • @DarthDread-oh2ne
      @DarthDread-oh2ne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@HistoryCalling Yup, that's one of the reasons why, when, Paul I took the throne; he throw out the old law.

    • @andypham1636
      @andypham1636 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      he wasn't married + didn't like her anyway

  • @MichelleBruce-lo4oc
    @MichelleBruce-lo4oc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. How are you doing? I'm doing well and so is my cat Benjamin. We have a hoilday called family day in Ontario Canada. It's when families spend time together. The weather is like spring like weather. How is the weather where you are. Have a great day see you next video 😊

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hey Michelle. All good here thanks. That sounds like a nice holiday. We don't have anything like that here. Still winter weather in NI I'm afraid.

  • @nickk6518
    @nickk6518 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Julian Calendar continued to be used in the Anglican Parish registers right up until 1752, with some exceptions. For example, in the first Burial Register for All Saints, Kingston on Thames the Latin phrase meaning 'The year ends here' is written after the last burial which took place before December 31st 1549 and burials for 1550 are recorded after January 1st rather than March 25th. I suppose this means that that particular church was either using the original Julian calendar or had already started using the Gregorian calendar. These things are really fascinating!

  • @Moebian73
    @Moebian73 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you!

  • @lfgifu296
    @lfgifu296 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    as for ye question, who’s you favourite and least favourite of the Norman Monarchs? Tbf, there’s not many of them, and all are quite bad💀 but my favourite is probably Henry II- he was doubtlessly a bad person, but he got the job done (succession apart💀) and for least favourite- I’m torn between William the Conqueror and Stephen- Stephen’s reign was a lawless time, always at war, and he usurped the throne, but William was a brute, he brutalised England and erased Anglo Saxon culture in great quantity. Ultimately, I can’t choose💀

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I don't think I know enough about them all at the moment to choose. I rarely look at that period of English history. Sorry :-(

    • @lfgifu296
      @lfgifu296 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryCalling np :) I’ll try to ask you about some 18th Century British Isles topic next week👹

  • @donnicholas7552
    @donnicholas7552 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Very interesting, but my brain hurts trying to follow all those changes. lol! 🤣

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Imagine having to live through it :-)

  • @Treia24
    @Treia24 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As to your ending question, I don't think changing the date of observation is necessary, but it would be nice if historical education materials such as text books included more calendrical information.
    Also though, Japan had some 'fun' calendar shifting too (and kinda still does)! In 1873 they switched from their traditional system of months and the Chinese new year to the Gregorian calendar, to about the same level of confusion as seen in Europe as you've so helpfully described. But they preserved their prior practice of not observing individual birthdays, but counting another year onto *everyone's* age each new year until 1902, and again the general confusion ensued (and continued confusion trying to determine the age of historical figures in modern terms!).
    And that isn't even getting into the switch from their traditional reckoning of time of day to the western hour and minute model, and the incredible engineering of the mechanical clocks they devised before the switch!

  • @Megan-bt9pm
    @Megan-bt9pm 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When it comes to celebrating anniversary events, the point is to remember and commemorate the event itself than to make sure it's one the "correct" date. So I don't think it's as big a deal to try to change everything to celebrate on the exact date as that would confuse everyone to celebrate off kilter rather than together as the point would be.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Excellent point. Basically, it's the thought that counts :-)

  • @MohammedAF2030
    @MohammedAF2030 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If I may, I have a question: Do you mind if I translate some of your videos into Arabic and re-upload them to my channel? Your videos are well made and very informative, and many would enjoy them, especially non-English speakers.

  • @debbiecooper1677
    @debbiecooper1677 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I am in the states. and I hate time change spring foward and fall back.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's always a bit depressing when the sun goes down at 4pm, I'll grant you that, but without it the sun wouldn't come up until something like 9.30am or 10am in the winter and I'd hate that too. Basically, it feels like a no-win situation.

  • @OkieJammer2736
    @OkieJammer2736 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A nightmare, indeed! WELL DONE.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you. Yes, it was a nightmare to keep track of it all, let alone live through it :-)

  • @DarthDread-oh2ne
    @DarthDread-oh2ne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I almost forgot , I was reading the spider and the fly and it reminded me of Anne and Henry the 8th.

  • @economath8164
    @economath8164 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    [3:08] Four equinoxes?! Where'd the other two come from? And where did the two soltices go? 😂

  • @AnnaAnna-uc2ff
    @AnnaAnna-uc2ff 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That was fun.

  • @DarthDread-oh2ne
    @DarthDread-oh2ne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hello history calling, did you know:Solomonia Yuryevns Saburova was married to Vasili iii of Russia. After twenty years, it became apparent that Solomon is was barren. Vasili perfectly understood that if if he died childless his brothers would inherit the throne. In order to preclude this scenario, they were incarcerated or forbidden to marry until his own son was born.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I didn't, but his brothers were probably lucky he didn't just kill them :-o

    • @DarthDread-oh2ne
      @DarthDread-oh2ne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryCalling Doesn't that remind you of the wars of the roses ?

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yup, it sure does, though they were even worse as brothers did kill brothers (and nephews) at that point.

  • @charliekezza
    @charliekezza 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    A 15 minute time zone? Whats the point? Aussie here and we only (not including daylight savings time) only have 3 hourly zones. In Sydney the west coast and New Zealand are both 3 hours off one behind one ahead

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I agree. It was just too complicated to explain in the video. I looked at a time zone map and thought, 'I am just not getting into that'! :-) As someone who lives in a country with a single time zone, I always think it must be a bit complex to live in a multi time zone country, but I suppose you're just so used to it, you don't think about it.

  • @Jason.cbr1000rr
    @Jason.cbr1000rr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You are awesome, love how you get your facts and if it's not 100% certain you pick the right option/theory that fits and makes sense.
    Very intelligent girl/person. Also your accent still gets me til this day and when you had just 46k subs! You're videos also have gotten better quality wise. Look at you now with 250k+ subs!
    Thanks ...professor? Doctor? Or you don't have a phd or become a doctor yet? Like Dr Mark Felton! 😅

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks Jason and thank you for sticking with me, as I think 46k subs was back in about August 2021 :-) Not quite at 250k yet, but hopefully not long now :-) Yes, I have a PhD in history. I was never a Professor though, just a regular lecturer.

    • @Jason.cbr1000rr
      @Jason.cbr1000rr 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryCalling hey, no, thank you! Truly. Yes I remember 2021, watching you're vids and falling asleep to some, LOL not saying it's boring but yeah it's that good haha. If I have time one day I'll go back to the old vids from back then to see what comments I added heheh.
      Thanks, Dr. history calling! 🙂

  • @kate_cooper
    @kate_cooper 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Maths isn't my strong point so this was a bit tricky to follow in places. But I'd say leave all anniversaries as they are, changing them wouldn't actually accomplish anything apart from complicating things.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hehe, I know how you feel. I kept worrying I'd counted the wrong number of days as I was putting this together.

  • @reintsh
    @reintsh 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    They didn't lose or skip days, but dates when switching to another calendar. Just like one does not lose or skip any distance when switching from kilometers to miles during a journey from Paris to Londen.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I know, but it's just a bit of lighthearted fun :-)

  • @peiginthecity
    @peiginthecity 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I may have misunderstood but I was under the impression that the original great victory commemorated by the Williamite supporters on July 12th OS was that of the arguably decisive Battle of Aughrim, but the Boyne battle fit better the new calendar and was also a big win, so an easy switch.

  • @MustAvoidScurvy
    @MustAvoidScurvy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I often think about who decided "tomorrow will be Monday" 😅
    Great video, thank you!!

  • @Marcus51090
    @Marcus51090 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    4:23 lol 😂 same! Don’t examine my maths either.
    Time is such an interesting thing. We are at the bringing but in the next 100 years there will have to be a new time created STD space standard time…. As if you’re on a mining ship in the belt or something what time are you following? We will all have to agree a standard time all space goers use… because if we don’t we will have all this all over again, ironic how history repeats itself

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're making my head hurt :-)

  • @alexlemelin3217
    @alexlemelin3217 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:21 anybody got more info on the “so.no.” meaning? means new style but can’t find anything about it anywhere

  • @katebowers8107
    @katebowers8107 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In the US, one handy fact is George Washington’s birthdate, which is February 22, 1732 [O.S. February 11, 1731]. Because even small schoolchildren have heard of him, he’s an easy example for folks to get their head around.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Kate. Someone else mentioned him too and we were debating if he started celebrating his birthday on a different day and someone said that he did.

  • @missvidabom
    @missvidabom 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is fascinating. It’s all a construct isn’t it? I’ve read that before trains were ubiquitous, you could be in a different time than the city next to you. Once train schedules needed to be standard, this changed. I’ll read more about it and see if I can find some good sources for this statement.

  • @DarthDread-oh2ne
    @DarthDread-oh2ne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One more thing; this TH-camr asked us if we could change one thing in history, what would it be; I chose to rescue the two princes in the tower and put one of them on the throne.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I've thought about that too, but found it impossible to choose something. If you start pulling on those threads, you could wipe yourself from existence.

  • @kimberleyannedemong5621
    @kimberleyannedemong5621 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    No alterations of dates. It would be a nightmare of monumental proportions

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It would. I couldn't be bothered re-memorising all the dates.

  • @joebrouillard565
    @joebrouillard565 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If there is an error, cut HC a break, she's a historian for heaven's sake not a mathematician! Thank you for another interesting historical explaination...this was detailed and very complicated.

  • @amandagreen4332
    @amandagreen4332 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When reading secondary sources about the 18th century I always wonder if the dates have been adjusted. Not every scholar sees the need to “correct” contemporary sources.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, I have the same issue sometimes. It's also confusing to see months written as 8ber or xber, meaning October and December, even though those aren't the 8th and 10th months and haven't been for millennia.

    • @andypham1636
      @andypham1636 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It would typically say NS or OS

  • @andypham1636
    @andypham1636 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    IF you think this was confusing, the Korean age system is more. Fortunately, SK officially abolished it in '22, the legal drinking age lowered from 20 to 19 to adjust

  • @lfgifu296
    @lfgifu296 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting!! The change of calendars is quite weird- even the fact that Charles I was executed in 1648 and not 1649 in the eyes of the people then👀

    • @DarthDread-oh2ne
      @DarthDread-oh2ne 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hi friend. I'm sorry for bothering you but did you look up that man I told you about yesterday ?

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I know. So many of the anniversaries we think we know are actually 'wrong'.

    • @lfgifu296
      @lfgifu296 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@DarthDread-oh2ne I haven’t yet, sorry :(

  • @anthonycalbillo9376
    @anthonycalbillo9376 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Here in the United States, we have a phrase, "Spring forward, and Fall back."
    You spring forward an hour in the Spring, but Fall back an hour in the Fall.
    Talk about Springing Forward!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We have that here too. It's the only time I say Fall instead of Autumn and it's a very useful phrase. Thank you America :-)

  • @alisonmiles8984
    @alisonmiles8984 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wow! I did not know that. The older I get the less I know, on one hand I feel philosophical about that, on the other cross. And no let's leave dates and events as they are, it's how we've always known them, you know like B.C. and A.D!!!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, I couldn't be bothered memorising a bunch of new dates either.

  • @silverjade10
    @silverjade10 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I feel like this contributes to my hatred of clock time. I'm not sure how, but it supports my feelings that all of timekeeping is sus.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well I suppose with no time keeping, we could all deny the ageing process. That might be kinda fun :-)

    • @Taversham
      @Taversham 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I would like to know more about this

    • @silverjade10
      @silverjade10 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Taversham I have a moderate case of time blindness, so clock time perpetually frustrates me. Ten minutes feels the same as an hour, 2 hours feels identical to 8 hours, etc. I'm okay with 1 to 5 minutes increments, but anything longer than that is a mess to track unless I keep looking at a clock.
      It's even more irritating because humans are the ones who made it up! It's so arbitrary! Argh.
      While I know clock time is a necessary evil, I'm not happy about it. One day, quantum physics will prove I'm right about clock time being stupid. I'm sure of it.

    • @Taversham
      @Taversham 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@silverjade10 Thank you for sharing that, that must be very frustrating. It's not just you, there's research into the detrimental impact of society moving from "natural" timekeeping to precise clock time (which was essential for the industrial revolution, long distance travel, technological advancements, etc), from the obvious things like how difficult people find it to get up in the dark to commute to work in the mornings for a job that could be done just at well 11-7 rather than 9-5, but also stuff like how children/employees have to eat at a set predetermined "lunchtime" every day regardless of whether they get hungry at 11am or 2pm and that has a negative affect on diet and relationship with food (and consequently maintaining a healthy weight). But I had never considered how it would affect an individual in passage-of-time terms before.

  • @jldisme
    @jldisme 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    📆

  • @adunreathcooper
    @adunreathcooper 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    19:50 I was told or read, many years ago, decades ago, that the reason for the riots was because they thought their death was predetermined, and they felt they would die 11 days too early.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ah, I think someone was pulling your leg (or just made a genuine mistake).

  • @andypham1636
    @andypham1636 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Russia actually changed its calendar twice. In 1700, Russia adopted the Julian calendar from the Russian calendar. way after, in 1918, Russia finally switched to the Gregorian calendar

  • @Claire_T
    @Claire_T 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That's an excuse for being late to work if ever I've heard one

  • @pharoh73
    @pharoh73 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The names of our months should also have changed, but no one did so. September, October, November, and December are names that literally mean seventh month, eighth month, ninth month, and tenth month, as to their relationship to what was then the first month, March. We've been calling these months by the wrong names for so long I doubt we'll change them, but they are wrong.

  • @hollyp3276
    @hollyp3276 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello HC 🖐, OMG my head is spinning just listening to this. I can't even imagine how yours must of felt doing the research for this one.
    The 1 BC/1AD always gets me. Although a Bible scholar that had a doctorate in Theology we watched in the 1980's made it simple. 1BC (Before Christ) 1AD/ACE Anno Domini (in the Year of our Lord) or After Common Era. Seeing there wasn't a 0 zero year. I know confusing. He also stated the guy you mentioned earlier in tge video changeling Christ's birth to December 25th was wrong. He did understand what he was reading. Christ was born 6 months after his cousin John. John according to him was born in March/Spring. 6 months later is September/fall. So Christ was born in early September. December 25th was picked for the pagen Roman God of Sun abd the Winter Solstice. Seeing Christ was the bringer of light his birth should be celebrated on the Pagan Sun God's day.
    That's what was taught to me by watching this guy. It was interesting and informative at the time and has stuck with me. Quite frankly I wish that we'd stop doing the time Changes, Spring a head 1 hour in March and Fall Back 1 hour in November. It messes with your body clock something awful. At least it does for m
    Thanks for another great video.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Holly. Yes, it is so confusing isn't it? Of course Christmas in Spring would mean no snowmen, so I suppose we've lucked out there and it is nice to have something to look forward to during the cold and dark winter months. :-) On the clock changes and our natural body clocks, I remember reading once that there are more heart attacks worldwide on the days when we lose an hour's sleep and fewer on the days when we get an extra hour, which just shows the importance of sleep to us I think.

    • @hollyp3276
      @hollyp3276 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HistoryCalling yes, that's so true with the time changes. We have to be extra watchful of our health and body reactions to loosing that hour.

  • @janetlynn3397
    @janetlynn3397 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    B.C. Before Christ
    A.D. Anno Domini Latin for "in the year of our Lord"

  • @selinapersaud7629
    @selinapersaud7629 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think we should keep the major anniversary where they are, because it would probably cause massive confusion if they changed, and there would be a lot of people against it.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm right there with you. Think of how many books and websites would be suddenly 'wrong' as well.

  • @redemptivepete
    @redemptivepete 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Leave the dates as they were ...... i'm feeling too old to relearn history!
    Can I recommend Kurt Vinnegut's book 'Timequake' in which a global timequake occurs on 13th February 2001 forcing everyone to relive the 1990's?
    Very funny and thought provoking!

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gosh, reliving the 1990s. I mean would I have to go back to being a little kid (but with my adult memories), or would I be reliving them as an adult?

  • @andypham1636
    @andypham1636 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think dates should be retroactively adjusted to reflect the date it'd be nowadays. This is actually called propletic Gregorian calendar

  • @urbino79
    @urbino79 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So what happened after 25 March 1568? Would it be 25 March 1569?

  • @ns-wz1mx
    @ns-wz1mx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    sorry i’m late HC! wow what a mess this must’ve been to live through at the time, thankfully that has been corrected for us now. if i was born back then id be super mysterious with my age just for the sake of it😝

  • @chrisbanks6659
    @chrisbanks6659 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Interesting - would have thought you'd have kept this for the W/E of 31th march / Easter Sunday. Where we all lose another hour!!!!😂

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You know what, I never even thought of that! You're right though, I should have. Ah well :-)

  • @dianeaiken3435
    @dianeaiken3435 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wasn’t aware of how the Calendar developed, especially around the World.

    • @HistoryCalling
      @HistoryCalling  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me neither actually until researching this. It's fascinating though.