Glenn is the real deal...lovable, friendly and a natural engaging singer. No histrionics or fireworks, just a beautiful sound that never grows old. Love on you Glenn.
They tried that and lost. And as sad as it is in one sense, the actual agreement was pretty straightforward and they all knew what they signed up for. And what they lost when they walked away.
I may have told this story before, but over 20 years ago I attended a LRB concert. Had a meet and greet, with an original vinyl album ready to be signed. Heading them before that on stage, I was sure there was at least a few original members on that stage, Some were pretty obvious they weren't .. but their sound was incredible. As I met them, I believe it was Wayne that said, "You don't want us to sign that" I said, Yes, of course. He said, you don't understand, non of us are on that record. His explanation was, the original LRB we're studio musicians and did not want to perform on the road. So needless to say, I didn't get my record album signed, but received an autograph 8x10 by Wayne and the boys. 😁 Great series of interviews with Glenn. thank you love your channel. ❤️🎙️
They weren't studio musos, probably all had been in other bands in the 60's and 70's. Twilights, Axiom, Masters Apprentices, Mississippi etc. I saw them a few times around when they first had a hit record in Australia. They played at suburban pubs in Melbourne.
Well done John. The music business is now and has always been a ‘shark tank’. After everything is said and done though the music survives on its own merits and the Little River Band in my humble opinion are Australia’s answer to the Beatles -melodic and lyrically satisfying. And let’s not forget John Farnham’s immense contribution to their legacy.
As an Aussie, LRB will always be Glenn Shorrock, Beeb Birtles and Graham Goble to me. Sure, Shorrock left and eventually so did the others and they were fools for not attending to the legal side of things. But growing up in Australia during the '70s and hearing LRB on the radio and buying their albums, the original line-up is just hard-wired in my brain. This current mob are just ring-ins (Aussie vernacular).
Glenn you guys could get back and play. Just go under the platypus logo no name. This is what Prince did. You guys got to get together again and tour Australia.
I am a musician and guitar builder. I come from Glenn's neighbourhood and am pissed off that Steve Housden has stolen the name. How do American lawyers allow / achieve this? It's as bad as Springsteen's situation in the 70s Elliot Easton playing in Creedence Clearwater Revisited. LRB were really big here in 75/76 then disappeared. I know of a millionaire, living in Adelade's most prestigious Street ( nothing under several $m ) just for remastering the originals. I'll go collect his guitars off the wall one day. How dare they make money off of Beeb, Graham and Glenn!!! BTW Beeb is a nice guy also. Pissed off.
Maybe Glenn should tell us how much money he sold his rights to the name for (and in what year) and we can decide if we should feel sorry for him or not. Surely it was a large sum.
Members of bands need to take a much bigger interest in their bands legal & trade marks etc & keep up with it. It's their work & unfortunately the original band didn't. They unfortunately left themselves in this mess
I'm so tired of listening to cry-babies, like yourself. The original members left the band because they chose to. As much as I would love to watch the original Little River Band, that's just not going to happen because the original members chose to leave. They are not a cover band. They're the guys who replaced former members of the band. Done deal. I suppose you think John Farnham was a cover lead singer for the band, huh?
@@shollod No original members? They ARE a cover band capitalizing on the famous name! Imagine if 4 guys decided to go out and be The Beatles because of a business snafu? Sure they can call themselves that name, but they really are not!
@@walterberman8823 If four guys formed a band and went out as The Beatles, it would be totally different. Little River Band never stopped performing so it's not just a bunch of people who took/stole/bought the name. In the same way, if a company has employees leave and replaces them, they still remain the same company. If Walmart were to close down and in 30 years you set up a landscaping company called Walmart, it wouldn't be the same Walmart.
@@jimcannon1162 Why did the Beatles stop performing? Ringo has a band, why aren't they the Beatles? McCartney's current band has been together even longer than the Beatles were together, why didn't Paul just call them the Beatles? Because it would be stupid, an insult to the Beatles' name, and only a reason to make money from the fans. NEWS FLASH: Gene and Paul have already said KISS will go on with replacements when they are retired. Who cares if it's not Gene, as long as he has a long tongue. Right?
Glenn is one of the biggest components of the original live Little River Band... John Farnham is basically a Tommy Shaw in my opinion.. but just like styx and then Dennis DeYoung Creedence Clearwater with Stu and Doug... and then John Fogerty Ann and Nancy Wilson heart Roger Mike and Steve thier own entity and a few more having your band name stripped and other people when they are the viable piece of it many have come to make peace with it which is nice.. Glenn and Graham are great guys
This is terrible when a bands name falls into the hands of a non original member. Take for example The Vogues, a singing group from the 1960’s early 1970’s, the name belonged to the record company and or producer and not the four original members (Bill Burkett, Don Miller, Hugh Geyer, and Chuck Blasko). The name was sold and now you have three individuals running around touring as The Vogues who never had a damn thing to with the group. It sickens me because the go on stage talking and telling stories as if they were the original members.
I hope Glenn doesn’t have any issues with Wayne Nelson. I never miss seeing the LRB when they come bcuz basically I’ll take what I can get-but Wayne seems like such a likable guy.
There is a bit of a discussion happening in one of the Aussie fb groups. I think we are pretty shitty about it to be honest as they really were Australia’s Eagles. However, Glenn is still performing to this day.
The original will always be the the original LRB. I was lucky enough to see the real LRB live many times in Melbourne in the the LRB primal years. This band then was a power house of dynamics. Turning the name into a franchise so sad. I have tried watching the attempt at the current line up but it's sickens me and sounds a desperate attempt to buy stardom
That’s why it’s critical to keep the legal rights! I personally like the version of the band. Sounds like Little Texas. Maybe should have used a different name but easier to market using the LRB name.
The current LRB band that is touring in the US is made up of 2 guitar players from Nashville, a piano player from Dallas and the 1981 LRB Bass player Wayne Nelson. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME LRB. Just saw them perform in St. Louis Mo. they were OK as a cover band. One just needs to know that they really are a cover band when you buy a ticket!
I just got home from an LRB concert here in Fl. I was totally unaware of the story until about a month after I bought my ticket. I enjoyed the musicianship of each touring member, but Wayne should give up lead vocal duties entirely. He should really do right by the founding members but minus that, just let the others take over singing entirely. He really killed the mood on Reminiscing and Cool Change, that require considerably better vocal skills than he has presently. I'm still glad I got to listen to some live guitar driven music. And The Lords of 52nd Street opening for LRB, were excellent.
Set the story straight please. They didn't "lose it". They SOLD their US shares to Housden. When the 3 wanted to reform and found out Housden "owned" the name in the US, they didn't ask him, they filed suit against him and lost. The press asked Housden why he didn't just let them back in the band, you know what he said, "they never asked me....the first thing I heard was they were filing a lawsuit against me". They asked Housden if he would have let them back in, he said "probably, it would have great for all of us". So why blame Housden because he wanted to keep going and he spent his own money doing it? Housden simply had a better outlook on what LRB meant. As for the attorneys for Shorrock, Goble and Birtles, to allow them to sell their rights away with no recourse in the future was poor judgement. I know the three were burned out and wanted to move on, but don't blame Housden. I love Little River Band and the music they made in that era, but I am not blind to bad business decisions, and this was a whopper. They did it to themselves.
They didn’t know until it was too late and they are the original band they wrote most of the songs that BS band over in the states are rip off plain a simple.. 🧐🇦🇺
No one loses their name. Bands sell/negotiate their name to futre iterations. Especially when you talk about legacy bands. No one can estimate the future value of a band that no longer produces top 40 content on any platform. I guess, in the end, you need to evaluate the revenue stream and be content in the decisions made, and not be upset when those decisions are deemed to ber undesirable.
This is sort of pathetic, especially over the fact that these guys made tens of millions, and have millions of fans out there who recognize them under the name Little River Band. Another example of such bullshit was the inner fighting amongst the Eagles. Don Felder was going to explain it all in his book, which Frey and Henley sought court action to stop Felder’s book. Pitiful.
Glenn, please advise all young bands how to avoid this pitfall legally. And that Aussie guitar player who holds that name, has he no mercy? When will he just give you guys back your name? Have him put it in his will at least.
I feel sorry for Shorrock. Really awful how the last LRB former member holds the rights to the band's name, while he holds everybody else hostage. Shorrock should have the right to tour under his band's name. He is being deprived of income, which may be sorely needed at this point in his life. Shameful.
Nobody holds anyone to hostage; Shorrock (as did the other originals) SOLD his rights to the name, Stephen Housden was smart and didn't do that. Now he has a band that makes him, and the members, a living and Shorrock wants the lot fired!
I just recently saw Little River Ban, LRB, on stage a month ago at my RV campground. I said to my Friends that I was with, they don't even sound like them. So I was looking up the Names of the members playing and Not One Single member Performing was an Original Member. So I was wondering, if no one Is an Original Member, How can they Keep the Name Little River Band, So this video explained it all to me.
As an Australian these guys fucked up by leaving the band without putting much thought into it.They walked away from the brand and that was a big fuck up there's no other way to put it.
Hey Autrailia it may happen maybe... doesn't mean it is right!!!! The Little River Band was one of my favorite bands. If someone goes out and uses your name would b e terrible. I won't go see anyone that almost steals, you should be able to have your name and sing your beautiful songs.
That would work, The Original Australian Little River Band Revisited. Just like CCR did When John Fogerty left and gained the rights to Creedence Clearwater Revival they just renamed it to Creedence Clearwater Revisited and the replacement for John was an Amazing Singer, Showman and Guitar player, and in My Opinion they Sound Better without John Fogerty 👍
Is a good way to denounce what those so-called legalities entail, given the fact that you could lose it all just because of one hidden clause which will prevent you from using a band's name. I'm not happy at all, those other guys could have done better; I gather there are "rights" to the song author and that .. I don't think they could take away from the originals. men! o men!
Glenn seems a very humble yet still enthused bloke. I hate to sound negative but being in many bands I've found most members were mercenaries all about them not the 'team'. If you are fortunate to find a 'team mentality' in a band then run with it, then again this Plandemic thing seem to have ruined music ,hopefully not forever....
I don't understand the whole name thing. Surely all the band members were co owners of the trademark? How can this one Irish guy, not even an original member, get the name?
One by one band members left, and subsequently gave up their stake in the company that was Little River Band. In giving up their stake, they gave up their rights to the name; nothing uncommon and nothing illegal here, it's business. As these members left, they were replaced by new members who, technically, were (and still are) salaried employees while being completely bona-fide Little River Band members. The last stakeholder in the company was, and still is, Stephen Housden, an Australian who was a band member from 1982. Therefore Mr Housden owns the Little River Band name. Glenn Shorrock, basically, wants the job he quit decades ago back and is very bitter that he can't do that. Instead of accepting his responsibility in the whole matter, he plays the victim and constantly blames others. He signed a legal agreement, got paid for his stake in the company, and lived happily for decades until, one day, he wanted the name back. If Richard Branson were to sell his stake in Virgin Airlines, he couldn't then decide 25 years later that he wanted to set up an airline called Virgin Airlines and try to sue the owners of the Virgin Airlines that he no longer wanted to be a part of. The situation here is no different.
I heard on a radio show. That some of the band members went to use the restroom. They was only one member in the lawyers office. So he got the band name little river band just because he was the only member who stayed in the lawyers office. Strange but true
This is a shame. I saw the LRB in Sparks, Nevada last year. Didn't sound anything like the originals, didn't even sound like a good cover band! Then I did the research and found out why. The problem is Stephen Housden who lucked out getting the name he did nothing for. He could have shared it with the genius's who created the legacy, but thought putting together a shitty cover band was a better idea. Check out www.amazon.com/Birtles-Shorrock-Goble-Full-Circle/dp/B0009IW9ES. This is what LRB REALLY sounds like today (or as of 2005).
2013 my wife and I were in Arizona at a gas station in the middle of nowhere on a back road, there was a sign on a dusty paddock fence advertising LRB would be playing there next week. I felt so sad for the original members.
there's so much here which is heresay, not the legal facts. Go find out. It was a business. Someone in the band bought the business from the original guys - they didn't want it and sold their part in it. Don't go blaming the guy who was a member and bought it because he was loving playing and wanted to continue the band. Still a few of the original members were in it and continued with him for years. I was there, I was a witness in the court hearing over the name later on, it was a disgraceful display of sour grapes and childishness against the guy who owns the band name and who if they had simply asked to team up again would have happily done so. Instead they just sued straight up. They could have just asked him to rejoin and it all would have been good between them all. But instead a stupid wasteful approach was taken. And the manager of the original 3 guys was behind the unfriendly and aggressive court case, not the owner who is actually a really nice guy, and who did in fact write and play on many of the mid-late period hits and is a damn fine guitarist Chill out people, you mostly don't know what you're talking about.
Stephen Housden was in the Little River Band from 1981 - 2006; that isn't a 'little while' as you call it! Ex-members, including Mr Shorrock, gave up their rights to the name Little River Band when they left the band and sold their stake in the company. They didn't lose the name, they didn't want it anymore...until 30 years later. You can't sell a business then expect to start another one up with the same name doing the same thing decades down the line.
Yes, they didn’t do due diligence when the rights came up. NOT Steve Housden's fault. It fell into Steve's hands by default. There were also a couple of people in the band whose egos got in the way, and who were cordially disliked by quite a few in the business.
It’s not just a business though I mean , it is technically but wouldn’t you want to see the original members as spouses to a cover band Wich is all it is now no matter what you say it is legally Personality , soul , artistry , chemistry transcend legal B S in my mind Although it sounds like they made a dumb move Such a weird situation Bottom lime is that music and that band wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for the actual real band starting it. Legality doesn’t change any of that It’s music not real estate
Well the band with Gobles, Birtles and Shorrock in it was only up until the late 90's. How many hit songs did they have after those 3 left. Because that is the answer as to who should own the rights right there. And they were in it from its inception in 1975.
In every interview I see with this bloke, he comes across as a very bitter old man. He left the Little River Band TWICE...and signed away his rights to use the name forever. I don't know any job in the World where you can quit your position and then just walk back into it 25 years later firing anyone who gets in the way. This is what Shorrock wants to do. Conveniently, he 'omits' certain aspects of the band's history in these interviews making himself sound ever the victim. Stephen Housden and Wayne Nelson joined the band in 1982 & 1980 respectively and both spent way more time in the band than this bloke. I wish he'd stop bleeting and accept that he did this to himself instead of blaming everyone else.
yeah but who wrote all the songs that became famous and made the the name valuable? Not Housden. I'd be embarrassed to use the name now with the current lineup. He could have sold the name back to them. Anyway nobody goes to see the curret LRB except a few people who know nothing of the band history.
Steve Housden bought the name (and was an LRB member for 25 years - that's longer than Shorrock) and has every right to it, legally and ethically. The other band members let the name slide through their fingers because they were too preoccupied (and dumb) to read the fine print.
Legally maybe. Do you know the story? About the new corp, We Two LTD, formed in 1987? About the document that transferred ownership of the rights to the band name, from Little River Band LTD, to the new corp? When a trusted Mgr says, sign here, you do it. As you said, they unknowingly "let it slide through their fingers". Goble and the original creative forces in the band, were busy doing what they do best. Preoccupied, as you put it, writing and creating original, great music as they,d done since the mid 70's. Housden, ethically? And Nelsons current band? Definately not ethical? They've created nothing!
@@sweetrocks85 yep, the original guys were mislead and got screwed. Housden legally has the name, but he should be sympathetic to the original guy's situation for at least two reasons: 1. They made the band famous and wrote the songs that the current cover band plays and make money from at concerts now. 2. The original guys got screwed.
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Glenn is the real deal...lovable, friendly and a natural engaging singer. No histrionics or fireworks, just a beautiful sound that never grows old. Love on you Glenn.
I met Glen and the original band when they were riding that first big wave. They were the real deal. As the Aussies would say, Good on Ya Mates!
Just come back...Aussie River Band, Aussie Creek, River Runs, Red Rock, Salt Creek. Just come back.
Glenn's is a really GREAT singer
GREAT, with conspicuous ease!
Glenn Shorrock is the lead singer of the Little River Band
Really good interview.
Great to see Glenn again..so sad that it all comes down to rights! LRB was one of the standout Aussie bands of their time! Thanks John! 👍❤️
I love it when a video I watched and liked a year ago pops up in my feed again! Can’t get enough LRB!!
The three of them should form an LRB Cover band and tour.
Great vocalist!
Time to take the person to court that owns the original name and get the name back from him
They tried that and lost. And as sad as it is in one sense, the actual agreement was pretty straightforward and they all knew what they signed up for. And what they lost when they walked away.
I love the old little River Band.
I may have told this story before, but over 20 years ago I attended a LRB concert. Had a meet and greet, with an original vinyl album ready to be signed. Heading them before that on stage, I was sure there was at least a few original members on that stage, Some were pretty obvious they weren't .. but their sound was incredible. As I met them, I believe it was Wayne that said, "You don't want us to sign that" I said, Yes, of course. He said, you don't understand, non of us are on that record.
His explanation was, the original LRB we're studio musicians and did not want to perform on the road. So needless to say, I didn't get my record album signed, but received an autograph 8x10 by Wayne and the boys. 😁
Great series of interviews with Glenn. thank you love your channel.
❤️🎙️
They weren't studio musos, probably all had been in other bands in the 60's and 70's.
Twilights, Axiom, Masters Apprentices, Mississippi etc. I saw them a few times around when they first had a hit record in Australia. They played at suburban pubs in Melbourne.
Shorrock is LRB to me...legal battles over your name is sad.
Well done John. The music business is now and has always been a ‘shark tank’. After everything is said and done though the music survives on its own merits and the Little River Band in my humble opinion are Australia’s answer to the Beatles -melodic and lyrically satisfying. And let’s not forget John Farnham’s immense contribution to their legacy.
As an Aussie, LRB will always be Glenn Shorrock, Beeb Birtles and Graham Goble to me. Sure, Shorrock left and eventually so did the others and they were fools for not attending to the legal side of things. But growing up in Australia during the '70s and hearing LRB on the radio and buying their albums, the original line-up is just hard-wired in my brain. This current mob are just ring-ins (Aussie vernacular).
Well said, from this American :)
"Big River Band" has a great ring to it.
If anyone is to blame for this bs it's the manager he didn't look after the songs or the name brand when everyone walked away from the band
Call it the Big River Band
Glenn you guys could get back and play. Just go under the platypus logo no name. This is what Prince did. You guys got to get together again and tour Australia.
I remember an interview with him where he said " the name came from a road sign...we could have been called wrong way, go back!"
Oh boy, I don't where to start. I Really, really liked that band...
I am a musician and guitar builder. I come from Glenn's neighbourhood and am pissed off that Steve Housden has stolen the name. How do American lawyers allow / achieve this? It's as bad as Springsteen's situation in the 70s Elliot Easton playing in Creedence Clearwater Revisited. LRB were really big here in 75/76 then disappeared. I know of a millionaire, living in Adelade's most prestigious Street ( nothing under several $m ) just for remastering the originals. I'll go collect his guitars off the wall one day. How dare they make money off of Beeb, Graham and Glenn!!! BTW Beeb is a nice guy also. Pissed off.
Maybe Glenn should tell us how much money he sold his rights to the name for (and in what year) and we can decide if we should feel sorry for him or not. Surely it was a large sum.
They get the right lawyer they can get their name back . You just have to take the fake band to court. I miss the original little river band
War got screwed like this too...
Same thing happened to the Atlantic Rhythm Section.
That's 'ATLANTA Rhythm Section', boss.
Their original, well documented use of the name should qualify as a common law registration that supersedes that of a legal registration of the name.
Shor-'rock' on Glenn!!
Members of bands need to take a much bigger interest in their bands legal & trade marks etc & keep up with it. It's their work & unfortunately the original band didn't. They unfortunately left themselves in this mess
How about Brittle Liver Band?
Also,why not stop them from playing YOUR songs?
Please come back to the the casinos in Biloxi Mississippi and do a show
Love the BSG concert! Watched it over a dozen times.
Little River Band are not LIKE a cover band, they are a cover band. A great tragedy.
I'm so tired of listening to cry-babies, like yourself. The original members left the band because they chose to. As much as I would love to watch the original Little River Band, that's just not going to happen because the original members chose to leave. They are not a cover band. They're the guys who replaced former members of the band. Done deal. I suppose you think John Farnham was a cover lead singer for the band, huh?
@@shollod No original members? They ARE a cover band capitalizing on the famous name! Imagine if 4 guys decided to go out and be The Beatles because of a business snafu? Sure they can call themselves that name, but they really are not!
Those fill in guys are singing someone else's original material and profiting from it.What the hell is that called?!@@shollod
@@walterberman8823 If four guys formed a band and went out as The Beatles, it would be totally different. Little River Band never stopped performing so it's not just a bunch of people who took/stole/bought the name. In the same way, if a company has employees leave and replaces them, they still remain the same company. If Walmart were to close down and in 30 years you set up a landscaping company called Walmart, it wouldn't be the same Walmart.
@@jimcannon1162 Why did the Beatles stop performing? Ringo has a band, why aren't they the Beatles? McCartney's current band has been together even longer than the Beatles were together, why didn't Paul just call them the Beatles? Because it would be stupid, an insult to the Beatles' name, and only a reason to make money from the fans. NEWS FLASH: Gene and Paul have already said KISS will go on with replacements when they are retired. Who cares if it's not Gene, as long as he has a long tongue. Right?
Glenn is one of the biggest components of the original live Little River Band... John Farnham is basically a Tommy Shaw in my opinion..
but just like styx and then Dennis DeYoung
Creedence Clearwater with Stu and Doug... and then John Fogerty
Ann and Nancy Wilson heart
Roger Mike and Steve thier own entity
and a few more having your band name stripped and other people when they are the viable piece of it many have come to make peace with it which is nice.. Glenn and Graham are great guys
Ouch! I saw Styx without Dennis DeYoung and it was painful to watch!
Yes - but the unique sound of LRB was Glen, Graham and Beebs combined by their superb harmonies.
This is terrible when a bands name falls into the hands of a non original member. Take for example The Vogues, a singing group from the 1960’s early 1970’s, the name belonged to the record company and or producer and not the four original members (Bill Burkett, Don Miller, Hugh Geyer, and Chuck Blasko). The name was sold and now you have three individuals running around touring as The Vogues who never had a damn thing to with the group. It sickens me because the go on stage talking and telling stories as if they were the original members.
They should’ve reunited as the Corio Bay Band, or another town next to Little River..
Very interesting..
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Well? all the fans will play the original LRB a million times to make a stance Birtle, Shorrock and Gobble is LRB
I hope Glenn doesn’t have any issues with Wayne Nelson. I never miss seeing the LRB when they come bcuz basically I’ll take what I can get-but Wayne seems like such a likable guy.
Oohh not sure about that one🤔🤔 if u knew the whole story behind this u might change your opinion🤔🤔
He is, he's a friend of the family and he and his wife are just amazing people.
If Nelson were a true friend he wouldn’t be involved in this THEFT & LIE
My feeling is that Housdin has been a prick. I’m curious how Aussies feel?
There is a bit of a discussion happening in one of the Aussie fb groups. I think we are pretty shitty about it to be honest as they really were Australia’s Eagles. However, Glenn is still performing to this day.
Just call it "River Little Band" !
Or call it " River Band"
The original will always be the the original LRB. I was lucky enough to see the real LRB live many times in Melbourne in the the LRB primal years. This band then was a power house of dynamics. Turning the name into a franchise so sad. I have tried watching the attempt at the current line up but it's sickens me and sounds a desperate attempt to buy stardom
Not so much stardom as in revenue
That’s why it’s critical to keep the legal rights! I personally like the version of the band. Sounds like Little Texas. Maybe should have used a different name but easier to market using the LRB name.
The current LRB band that is touring in the US is made up of 2 guitar players from Nashville, a piano player from Dallas and the 1981 LRB Bass player Wayne Nelson. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME LRB. Just saw them perform in St. Louis Mo. they were OK as a cover band. One just needs to know that they really are a cover band when you buy a ticket!
I just got home from an LRB concert here in Fl. I was totally unaware of the story until about a month after I bought my ticket. I enjoyed the musicianship of each touring member, but Wayne should give up lead vocal duties entirely. He should really do right by the founding members but minus that, just let the others take over singing entirely. He really killed the mood on Reminiscing and Cool Change, that require considerably better vocal skills than he has presently. I'm still glad I got to listen to some live guitar driven music. And The Lords of 52nd Street opening for LRB, were excellent.
Set the story straight please. They didn't "lose it". They SOLD their US shares to Housden. When the 3 wanted to reform and found out Housden "owned" the name in the US, they didn't ask him, they filed suit against him and lost. The press asked Housden why he didn't just let them back in the band, you know what he said, "they never asked me....the first thing I heard was they were filing a lawsuit against me". They asked Housden if he would have let them back in, he said "probably, it would have great for all of us". So why blame Housden because he wanted to keep going and he spent his own money doing it? Housden simply had a better outlook on what LRB meant. As for the attorneys for Shorrock, Goble and Birtles, to allow them to sell their rights away with no recourse in the future was poor judgement. I know the three were burned out and wanted to move on, but don't blame Housden. I love Little River Band and the music they made in that era, but I am not blind to bad business decisions, and this was a whopper. They did it to themselves.
They didn’t know until it was too late and they are the original band they wrote most of the songs that BS band over in the states are rip off plain a simple.. 🧐🇦🇺
why Glenn doesn't address that he sold his right.....he had the chance to buy the name and choose not to....facts are missing here.
...is the best response so far; he seems to feel the need to play 'victim' instead of accepting his own accountability in the whole matter.
No one loses their name. Bands sell/negotiate their name to futre iterations. Especially when you talk about legacy bands. No one can estimate the future value of a band that no longer produces top 40 content on any platform. I guess, in the end, you need to evaluate the revenue stream and be content in the decisions made, and not be upset when those decisions are deemed to ber undesirable.
Confisus says Man who goes to sleep with hard problem wakes up with solution in hand. :)
This is sort of pathetic, especially over the fact that these guys made tens of millions, and have millions of fans out there who recognize them under the name Little River Band.
Another example of such bullshit was the inner fighting amongst the Eagles. Don Felder was going to explain it all in his book, which Frey and Henley sought court action to stop Felder’s book. Pitiful.
They had clever cynical lawyers mislead them how were they to know about registering the bands name
The Band previously known as “Little River Band”?
Its a shame what happened to Little River Band
Just call the new iteration "wider river band."
Glenn, please advise all young bands how to avoid this pitfall legally. And that Aussie guitar player who holds that name, has he no mercy? When will he just give you guys back your name? Have him put it in his will at least.
That guitar player is actually a Pom.
I feel sorry for Shorrock. Really awful how the last LRB former member holds the rights to the band's name, while he holds everybody else hostage. Shorrock should have the right to tour under his band's name. He is being deprived of income, which may be sorely needed at this point in his life. Shameful.
Nobody holds anyone to hostage; Shorrock (as did the other originals) SOLD his rights to the name, Stephen Housden was smart and didn't do that. Now he has a band that makes him, and the members, a living and Shorrock wants the lot fired!
isnt that two different names little river band and lrb
How about “The Band from Dangerously Close to Little River”🤷🏼♂️
lil , Big River Band L.B.R.B.
Is there anywhere I can listen to the full interview from start to finish?
Big Lake Group.
I just recently saw Little River Ban, LRB, on stage a month ago at my RV campground. I said to my Friends that I was with, they don't even sound like them. So I was looking up the Names of the members playing and Not One Single member Performing was an Original Member.
So I was wondering, if no one Is an Original Member, How can they Keep the Name Little River Band, So this video explained it all to me.
As an Australian these guys fucked up by leaving the band without putting much thought into it.They walked away from the brand and that was a big fuck up there's no other way to put it.
Yea. Glenn had a big ego. They replaced him
Hey Autrailia it may happen maybe... doesn't mean it is right!!!! The Little River Band was one of my favorite bands. If someone goes out and uses your name would b e terrible. I won't go see anyone that almost steals, you should be able to have your name and sing your beautiful songs.
It was their own fault that they gave up the name! Crying about it now doesn’t change the facts.
Kinda weird, but he seems OK with it. Good guy. P. S. Cool that more of your close it out song played. It's nice.
They can perform under another name adding (former original members of ...) can't they?
They tried to, without the new it's not going to work unfortunately.
Yes, they could legally do that
They can tour as LRB. Or Australia little river band
That would work, The Original Australian Little River Band Revisited. Just like CCR did When John Fogerty left and gained the rights to Creedence Clearwater Revival they just renamed it to Creedence Clearwater Revisited and the replacement for John was an Amazing Singer, Showman and Guitar player, and in My Opinion they Sound Better without John Fogerty 👍
Is a good way to denounce what those so-called legalities entail, given the fact that you could lose it all just because of one hidden clause which will prevent you from using a band's name. I'm not happy at all, those other guys could have done better; I gather there are "rights" to the song author and that .. I don't think they could take away from the originals. men! o men!
I guessing Maribyrnong River Band is taken...
Flooded right at the moment, more like Maribyrnong lake.
What does Derek think about all this ?
More importantly, what does OPRAH think of this hot mess!?!
Some band actually bills themselves as Rare Earth but they aren't Rare Earth without Peter Rivera. Just saying.
So dose that mean he owns the name of the town. its the name of a town out side of Geelong how can he own the name
*does
Just use lil river band?
glenn great singer. might sound crazy but I'm curious about wayne nelson and Stephen housden thoughts on on the subject.
Glenn seems a very humble yet still enthused bloke. I hate to sound negative but being in many bands I've found most members were mercenaries all about them not the 'team'. If you are fortunate to find a 'team mentality' in a band then run with it, then again this Plandemic thing seem to have ruined music ,hopefully not forever....
He forgets to mention Steve Housden is also a killer guitarist...
He is a good guitarist. But, on stage, he over plays his part. It is a blowing session. For the bedroom at home to practice. Over ripe at a show.
@@thomaspick4123 …..Wow! You sound like you have an axe to grind (literally). Show some respect and give the guy his dues. He IS a killer guitarist.
I don't understand the whole name thing. Surely all the band members were co owners of the trademark? How can this one Irish guy, not even an original member, get the name?
One by one band members left, and subsequently gave up their stake in the company that was Little River Band. In giving up their stake, they gave up their rights to the name; nothing uncommon and nothing illegal here, it's business. As these members left, they were replaced by new members who, technically, were (and still are) salaried employees while being completely bona-fide Little River Band members. The last stakeholder in the company was, and still is, Stephen Housden, an Australian who was a band member from 1982. Therefore Mr Housden owns the Little River Band name. Glenn Shorrock, basically, wants the job he quit decades ago back and is very bitter that he can't do that. Instead of accepting his responsibility in the whole matter, he plays the victim and constantly blames others. He signed a legal agreement, got paid for his stake in the company, and lived happily for decades until, one day, he wanted the name back. If Richard Branson were to sell his stake in Virgin Airlines, he couldn't then decide 25 years later that he wanted to set up an airline called Virgin Airlines and try to sue the owners of the Virgin Airlines that he no longer wanted to be a part of. The situation here is no different.
@Mountain Chief ……..He immigrated to Australia as a child, and grew up there, so what difference does that make?
they lost nothing, they quit and sold out--------------their own fault
IN 1976 HELP IS ON THE WAY & DAYS ON THE ROAD WERE BOTH BIG HITS THEN
Just as war and molly hachett there are no original members or only one original member
I heard on a radio show. That some of the band members went to use the restroom. They was only one member in the lawyers office. So he got the band name little river band just because he was the only member who stayed in the lawyers office. Strange but true
The Band of River Little?
This is a shame. I saw the LRB in Sparks, Nevada last year. Didn't sound anything like the originals, didn't even sound like a good cover band! Then I did the research and found out why. The problem is Stephen Housden who lucked out getting the name he did nothing for. He could have shared it with the genius's who created the legacy, but thought putting together a shitty cover band was a better idea. Check out www.amazon.com/Birtles-Shorrock-Goble-Full-Circle/dp/B0009IW9ES. This is what LRB REALLY sounds like today (or as of 2005).
2013 my wife and I were in Arizona at a gas station in the middle of nowhere on a back road, there was a sign on a dusty paddock fence advertising LRB would be playing there next week. I felt so sad for the original members.
Can't you just be LRB?
there's so much here which is heresay, not the legal facts. Go find out. It was a business. Someone in the band bought the business from the original guys - they didn't want it and sold their part in it. Don't go blaming the guy who was a member and bought it because he was loving playing and wanted to continue the band. Still a few of the original members were in it and continued with him for years. I was there, I was a witness in the court hearing over the name later on, it was a disgraceful display of sour grapes and childishness against the guy who owns the band name and who if they had simply asked to team up again would have happily done so. Instead they just sued straight up. They could have just asked him to rejoin and it all would have been good between them all. But instead a stupid wasteful approach was taken. And the manager of the original 3 guys was behind the unfriendly and aggressive court case, not the owner who is actually a really nice guy, and who did in fact write and play on many of the mid-late period hits and is a damn fine guitarist Chill out people, you mostly don't know what you're talking about.
100% correct, this Shoorock bloke always comes across as very bitter & twisted in almost every interview he does.
Thanks for explaining. I wish I knew all that earlier
Good to have the story straight
@@welshieallovertheplace This Shorrock Bloke? You mean the lead singer of the band...
They shouldbehappy that Wayne kept their songs alive for many years. Here's always delivered a good product and never disparaged the original members.
Love LRB you guys sold your name
You need to watch the interview with Graeham Goble for the full account about what really happened about losing the name before you go spouting off.
Stephen Housden was in the Little River Band from 1981 - 2006; that isn't a 'little while' as you call it! Ex-members, including Mr Shorrock, gave up their rights to the name Little River Band when they left the band and sold their stake in the company. They didn't lose the name, they didn't want it anymore...until 30 years later. You can't sell a business then expect to start another one up with the same name doing the same thing decades down the line.
Yes, they didn’t do due diligence when the rights came up. NOT Steve Housden's fault. It fell into Steve's hands by default. There were also a couple of people in the band whose egos got in the way, and who were cordially disliked by quite a few in the business.
It’s not just a business though
I mean , it is technically but wouldn’t you want to see the original members as spouses to a cover band Wich is all it is now no matter what you say it is legally
Personality , soul , artistry , chemistry transcend legal B S in my mind
Although it sounds like they made a dumb move
Such a weird situation
Bottom lime is that music and that band wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for the actual real band starting it. Legality doesn’t change any of that
It’s music not real estate
Well the band with Gobles, Birtles and Shorrock in it was only up until the late 90's. How many hit songs did they have after those 3 left. Because that is the answer as to who should own the rights right there. And they were in it from its inception in 1975.
In every interview I see with this bloke, he comes across as a very bitter old man. He left the Little River Band TWICE...and signed away his rights to use the name forever. I don't know any job in the World where you can quit your position and then just walk back into it 25 years later firing anyone who gets in the way. This is what Shorrock wants to do. Conveniently, he 'omits' certain aspects of the band's history in these interviews making himself sound ever the victim. Stephen Housden and Wayne Nelson joined the band in 1982 & 1980 respectively and both spent way more time in the band than this bloke. I wish he'd stop bleeting and accept that he did this to himself instead of blaming everyone else.
If it's just a job like every other job where are your international hits??? PLUS they employed a manager to deal with legal issues.
yeah but who wrote all the songs that became famous and made the the name valuable? Not Housden. I'd be embarrassed to use the name now with the current lineup. He could have sold the name back to them. Anyway nobody goes to see the curret LRB except a few people who know nothing of the band history.
Yea ego is a bitch
Steve Housden bought the name (and was an LRB member for 25 years - that's longer than Shorrock) and has every right to it, legally and ethically. The other band members let the name slide through their fingers because they were too preoccupied (and dumb) to read the fine print.
Legally maybe. Do you know the story? About the new corp, We Two LTD, formed in 1987? About the document that transferred ownership of the rights to the band name, from Little River Band LTD, to the new corp? When a trusted Mgr says, sign here, you do it. As you said, they unknowingly "let it slide through their fingers". Goble and the original creative forces in the band, were busy doing what they do best. Preoccupied, as you put it, writing and creating original, great music as they,d done since the mid 70's. Housden, ethically? And Nelsons current band? Definately not ethical? They've created nothing!
@@sweetrocks85 yep, the original guys were mislead and got screwed. Housden legally has the name, but he should be sympathetic to the original guy's situation for at least two reasons: 1. They made the band famous and wrote the songs that the current cover band plays and make money from at concerts now. 2. The original guys got screwed.
to call these guys dumb is just plain cruel!
He wasn't there at the start, didn't write any of their hits. Good guitarist but shit person.
STUPID
ITCH!!!!! HE WASN'T ORIGINAL!!!!
Yer what a joke.. Cover band .. not even close.. Thieves