I was really excited to see and hear the HEDD headphones. Quite an accomplishment to use an AMT driver for headphones. They were amazingly open sounding (from what I could hear in the noisy NAMM environment) but this product will go a long way! I would highly recommend having a listen! Please choose a better listening environment than I did ;-)
Warren absolutely got the best walkthrough of LUNA of anything I saw all last week. Tom really toned down the normal UAD sales pitch and I finally saw so many features that no one else was showing. As always, thanks Warren, and I look forward to seeing you put LUNA into action later this year. I’m curious if you’ll warm up to the idea that an Apollo Arrow and LUNA are a good value for new producers or musicians just starting out with audio recording.
I've seen several preview videos of Luna, but this is the first where an actually knowledgeable producer got them to demonstrate the nuts and bolts. I was already on board as a Mac/Apollo owner, but now I'm really interested.
Luna seems perfect for me and the timing is perfect as well. I primarily record live drums and full bands. And I just purchased an Apollo x8p. Luna seems to address all the issues I was having recording and editing in Logic Pro (which I've been using for years). Spring can't come soon enough.
I think, this is gonna be a game changer. So simple to use, no worries about to think of the console anymore. Good sounding... what else? I want this.... yeah. Thanks for this Warren and Universal Audio.
The non-interupted recording is a great feature that was kind of just breezed by. What a time saver! How many hours of my time could be saved to do engineer work while performers were doing performance work! I'm going to sit back and watch how this develops. For now I'm still a protools guy...we'll see though. So much disruption in the industry these days!
Great video! Very detailed! Would have liked to have known a little bit more about the Midi, being a composer. Wondering when or if they will have vst2/vst3 support.
The concept for Luna is latency free live recording eg vocals with printed efx in the signal chain or live drums that you carryover into your DAW. It's not for music production as far as I can tell.
As someone who just records myself, I am very pumped at the potential workflow improvements with being able to track through UAD plugins without printing and immediately playback through same plugin instances like you could with native plugins but with less latency and potential for dropouts etc. Plus UAD plugins sound great. Expensive though! Glad Luna is free for apollo owners.
Wow, Warren. Well done. I've been watching LUNA videos for hours, and yours is the first one that really gave a thorough tour. I was feeling like it was more hype than value until I saw this, and now I can see how I'd use it for simple jobs that don't require the power and flexibility of REAPER.
Hi X S aw shucks thanks ever so much! We are all huge fans of Tom! He makes walk throughs very easy, he is incredibly smart and a natural born communicator!
Great explanation and demo of the Luna system. The more detail I hear/see, the better it looks. Like that bit at 42:11 that allows you to create new tracks while recording other tracks ... really helpful for moving fast if while you are tracking a band, someone tells you hey, can I come in on the chorus with a shaker? Yes you can! ha ha. :-)
First of all, Warren, thank you very much for asking the guy from UAD right questions - it’s been only now I can understand what Luna is and what it does! 👍👍 I’m about to buy myself more I/Os, I only have an Apollo twin, I own several pieces of analog gear I need to hook them up to my computer and for last two months I’ve been trying to convince myself I don’t need one Apollo x 8 , or 16. And I almost managed to do that after having read a bulk load of specs from all leading music gear makers, AND now I’m back where I was 2 months ago 😁😁. More seriously, when you consider carefully what you need for a budget but still a professional sounding studio - gear wise and gear integration wise, Apollos don’t look that expensive with what they offer for the price -- plus now they’ve got a DAW of their own
I have two BF Apollo 8 and an Audient ASP880 in to the adat of one of them. Fantastic for recording a full band with API on teh drums, Helios on the guitars, etc ... all on the way in. When it comes to mix time ... I spend my time balancing and automating, not trying to create some vibe cos its already there. I am looking forward to trying out the Luna system as it looks like a new beginning but with a load of experience put on from day 1. As a Version 1 of their software, I am pretty impressed.
I’m thinking of Apollo x8 plus ISA 428 mk2 with its 8 channels adat card, which allows to integrate another 4 pres, and 4 chains of processors through its inserts. But Focusrite Clarett 8pre X thunderbolt also offers good sound and connectivity (separate line / microphone ins plus insert sends/returns on every channel and adat for ISA) Its cheaper than Apollo over 1000 EUR with its brilliant connectivity but lower specs (still better than my Apollo twin 🙂🙂) - I was almost decided to buy this one.. However, now when UAD introduced Luna I’ll wait to see it, I’m particularly interested how the integration with outboard hardware processors is solved. I’m not in a hurry I’m working on acoustics in my studio now, taking down some walls, etc.. pretty serious business 😁😁. ( Lots of DSP in Apollo x is also a strong selling point, still I’m sure more will be needed. I noticed they promo Apollos with either extra dsp satelites (I have one) or extra free plugins it’s a good idea to wait for it, I think )
It's almost like an advance capture recording app. Presonus when they first had StudioLive had capture software with routing and different channel strips. Metric Halo have a capture app that's different from their mix setup. Even with MOTU you're getting a DAW that's setup for tracking with their gear. You don't have to use it, but it's ready for you.
Sorry you got sick! Thanks for the in depth video on Luna! I am really looking forward to seeing this compete against the other recording software out there.
I'm guessing Eric is going to have some new work to do setting up a new system. And I hope you very soon get over the rockin' NAMMonia and NAMMthrax too.
Love that with one click you can copy your fader mix to a separate cue mix , this kind of thinking on their part gives me a lot of confidence in this software and their understanding and of how music is recorded. Has some excellent features, like "ARM" and how it purports to balance between hardware DSP and Native resources to let you overdub even with a large track and plug in count, very smart and practical. A potential game changer.
Ha ha Love it! I like how at 13:16 the gentleman showing the Luna software mentions the Apollo system and "Rocket Man" is playing in the background.....Almost too lined up lol ;) Thanks Warren for all your hard work while being sick! ~ Mary
Great video as always, Warren ! And very interesting news too. I helped a friend of mine setup his home studio with Apollos, and him not being an engineer (great keyboard player though, his son is a very good drummer too), he's kinda confused by the Console vs DAW thing and how to setup monitoring for recording, so this would make his life MUCH easier. Plus the layout seems to be quite straightforward, especially for the non-technical types. I'll definitely point him towards the Luna, when is it expected to ship ?
If you already work with a UAD Thunderbolt interface and have a load of UAD plugins, I'm one of those, then LUNA has to be the most exciting and game-changing product to come out this year. I am actually looking to move from my current DAW and have been demoing PreSonus Studio One 4. Or, trying to... I'm not 100% taken with it - from a user experience POV, I'm not enjoying working with it. (maybe I need to give it more time). But just watching the LUNA walkthrough here, I feel I already know it and would quickly get it. I love the concept behind the layout and workflow. The features demoed on this version 1 release give it the quality and features of a mature application... and it looks gorgeous. Can't wait to get my paws on this. Hope you're recovering well, Warren. Thanks for these insightful reviews.
I think UAD is taking over the world. Realy a cool system. Seems like the days of PARIS are coming back. If only their converters were as sweet sounding as those.
I guess the UA guys are aiming to producers that already own an Apollo, Mac and ProTools, to try to steer them into their own (and free) DAW. Funny how all the "great NEW features" are just everyday stuff for Studio One and other daw's users. The interface also looks like a proTools+StudioOne crossover. Anyway, can't hurt to have a new player in the game. Great video as usual !
Hi Juan Marco it seems everyone here is saying it reminds them of their own DAW, from Ableton to Pro Toole, Reaper to Studio One, Cubase, everyone is responding with comments about it has the features of their DAW.
Hi Okay1 from the description I got it was third party companies like Neve etc that you would have to purchase their stuff. Which I don’t find surprising. It seems as though the basic functionality is free. My gut is they are trying to make it free to encourage its use and only additional features they have to license from third party companies are extra
Hi@@okay1904 thanks for your detailed response! I have two studios and my second one, Harmony, has UAD running and we track through the Interfaces and plug ins all the time with zero latency because it runs off of their hardware. The issue (just like Pro Tools HD and HDX) is when you use the computers cpu. I hope that clarifies? Many thanks Warren
As a musician that is new to recoridng. (I have always went to studios to record anything of quality. ) I purchased an apollo twin on offer up or something and instantly felt relieved with how easy it was to set up and track with quality results. Unlike most of the users on here that are comparing it to something they have used for years and are heavily invested in I am not in that situation. I bought the interface because it is a very high quality interface that i bougut for 350 dollars and it came with plug ins and i can daisy chain with a apollo quad or apollo8x. Now they release luna and it is free to current users with thunderbolt. Maybe the finacial side is dedicated to selling more plugins that optimize the software but they havent let that get in the way of creating amazing tools for producers, engineers and musicians. So far everything i have used from universal audio has been amazing on its own legs. I would buy an apollo interface if luna didnt exist. I would buy a 1176 if the plugins didnt exist. These tools they are giving us are making life easier for people that have invested in their products is just amazing. I can honestly say universal audio is one of the few companies that gets me excited about their releases cause I am always getting more than what I expected.
For those that haven't worked in the UAD environment, they already have a software interface called Console that is incredibly useful for tracking live and Luna seems to be a natural extension of it. Console works like, you guessed it, a mixing console but with presets so you could save a snapshot of say a live drum recording session where you have your mics running through an Apollo pre with a plugin emulating a hardware console pre then stack your plugins to get the chain you want and send that to your DAW to record it. Luna cuts out the need for the DAW to record it. Cubase, SD1, Reaper, insert other DAW here, does not integrate with your pre's/ DSP/plugins like Luna will. The other real life use I love is I can send a monitor mix back to an artist live with a full mix already done but with zero latency. That is a game changer.
I'm excited to get this for FREE!!!! I'm a Digital performer alumni from version 1,5, and a PT 11 user that will not buy into their pay for play scam !!! I think I'm looking at my next daw!!! I nailed it, I said months ago that UA needed to make their own DAW and I was right, Go Me!!!! But seriously, this looks great from my aspect, I have 2, UAD2 front ends and 2 octos, that makes an astounding, 8 UAD inputs with UAD pre's 24 recording inputs and 24 cores, with 40 plus plugs I'm pretty set with any mix any size I want, and yes it took me a while to get here, I was putting all my chips into UAD2. Now that they ursuped PT, I'm all in again!!! Good job UAD. Now its time to hit the books and learn another DAW!!!!! Good bye PT, I loved your plugs but,... Not that much!!!!!! I put my money where my mouth is and I won this time!!!!!! about time.
Yes, they started this process (I'm sure it's taken 5 years or so to do this!) before PC got onto Thunderbolt because out was significantly faster. It's a highly competitive arena between Mac vs PC unfortunately and one of the results is we don't initially always get the best things until they are forced to cooperate!
Yes this is a game changer... Because so many love the hardware and the software is free.... And couple that with pro tools charging so MUCH... Oh yeah!!!
Good video It shows that Luna is more powerful than I expected. I thought it was some cheap crap that UA put together but Luna really looks well thought out. If only UA converters were on the level of high end units I would trade in my RME UFX+. Luna could be a little cheaper route to get latency free recording only offered with Pro Tools.
Yes, indeed! From what I can tell they've spent 5 years in development using Thunderbolt to give near zero latency, now Windows have also adopted Thunderbolt I'm sure they will be making it eventually available for Windows too.
Of course we Windows based Apollo Twin USB3 users just go about business as usual. I am using Sonar Platinum and do have some of the features shown in LUNA, but the Windows group are always in the UA back seat. Buying the Apollo was one of the best gear choices that I've made over the decades though.
Still have an ipad 2. I was working with the EUcontrol on PT11 and was gutted when AVID forced compatibility off the ipad. Would love to integrate this in my studio!
I was excited when I heard about this and as I am in the market for a new interface the Apollo moved up the list. Wait a minute they are only supporting Mac and no talk of Windows support!! I guess I'm sticking RME. UAD has blown it with me. How much did Apple pay UAD?
Hi Ninja! Thanks for your comment! It's wonderful to see that everyone is saying it looks like their DAW! If you look below there's Cubase, Ableton, Studio One, Pro Tools etc!
Amazing tutorial. Thank you so much for the interview. My only remaining question: how does printing to tracks work? Is there an easy way to print FX and save but disable FX inserts to free up DSP on the Apollo?
Wow, super stoked for Luna! Will be tough to do full bands without an 8p and ADAT in with another pre but if it's that solid of an integrated system, maybe it'll incentivize me to purchase one ;P
It definitely will not be a game changer for the majority of producer/engineer types. It’s too system exclusive right now (Apollo only). Maybe when it catches up to the top five leading DAWs in common features. With that said, im an Apollo owner and I’m excited to get my hands on Luna
Hi Ray, yes, this is definitely case by case dependent! Some people are going to love it and it’s really going to help, others not. Just like DAW’s in general one persons amazing is going to be another’s fairly good! Haha personally I think it’s a huge step in the right direction and like anything it will take time to be fully integrated.
Questions I didn't get answered: - Does LUNA record the midi when playing with soft synths? Or is it recording the audio only? - When you have a big project with both UAD and 3rd party plugs, and you want to punch a new track, are you going to be subject to latency because your project has bunch of 3rd party stuff? - Does every plugin that I would normally use with Logic (for example), work in the 3rd party slot of LUNA? - I still need to think through how I would create a workflow that uses all my thing likes Superior Drummer and all it's capabilities.
If you think this is so unique, it show that you don’t know the market of similar products. Actually you need to have the whole song played before you can decide the Lufs level, because it integrates. Rx7, waves plugins, youlean loudness meter, etc.
I don't know about anyone else, but having used pretty much every major DAW, I don't see anything really "new" to LUNA. Studio One, Pro Tools, Logic, etc all have the time and pitch warping, relative grid, easy fading and clip gain, and better comping options if I'm honest, and I haven't heard of any interface that doesn't offer zero latency (I never use DAW monitoring anyways).....plus it's limited to Apollo interfaces. Am I missing something here?
For the general knowledge of the UA guy, Cockos Reaper have that feature adding-tracks-and-plugins-while-recording waaa....aaay before UA reinvented the DAW.
Honestly great idea but all new DAW'S have that old Cakewalk Sonar look that is harsh on the eyes and brain that's why I've always been a Avid Pro Tools and Steingberg Cubase person for their looks and workflow love UAD tho
You always ask what’s your favorite amp. But not here. Can I just say the Friedman smallbox “limited “. Search has ended for my perfect amp imo. The limited though in off white 😉. Took yrs to save up.
Very happy to stop paying my middle man (avid) it’s yearly hush money for what seems like a more streamlined, optimised uad recording experience that will save my tab button due to the lack of window switching. The biggest thing of all though is I feel as though my purchased plugins and Octo card have a gained value and were a worthwhile long term investment for my recording workflow.
I wonder how you would do hardware inserts to integrate outboard equipment as an insert since it is all low/no latency?!? Thanks for the great most detailed coverage of LUNA. This thing is definitely looking very interesting and might be perfect for our studio since we are all UAD/Apollo already anyway. Thanks a lot!
No HW inserts in V1 according to Drew @ UA in various forums. Its definitely on the feature list, their customers tend to have some real HW as well as their plugins.
Hmm, a DAW that will only work with a certain audio interface. Whats unique about that DAW that is going to beat Reaper (for example). Unlimited tracks, busses, not exciting enough imho.
Kind of reminded me of the free LE software you get with other interfaces. It looks beautiful but from a DAW stand point severely lacking in flexibility.
anti/HUMAN Designs im just trying to understand luna more. Im not sure if you can master on it, produce music etc.. i guess we would have to play the waiting game to see how good it is
What about Cakewalk? Its free, but its advantage is that it wasnt made to be free to begin with like Reaper, it was made as a high end DAW to be sold and compete with the rest back when that was a thing. When Gibson who owned it at the time went bankrupt they sold it off and the people who bought it made it free. It even includes some brand name amp models like Randall. Its just software, and information is free so theres no magic going on with these daws that anybody else cant do, all the magic you pay for is in the plugins so its no wonder they're giving it away for free. That being said the stock effects and amp models even they give with Cakewalk is pretty nice anyway, I was about to buy FL studio until I found it honestly but would still get FL studio because I liked their delay but you cant beat free.
Day 1 at the marketing and sales psychology seminar: “Here's a thing I think you'd like…” Will be fun to try Luna and see how it deals with 50+ tracks with both UA plugs and VSTs running and see how that zero latency actually performs. Hopefully they will manage to solve this, and if so, I would be happy see Console updated to be able to run VSTs as well. When it comes to features I can't see anything new but new ways of doing things already done in other DAWs. Logic, and I'm sure many other DAWs, have all these features already. Just a different workflow.
@@cornerliston They have clearly said no VST in version 1 on a couple of forums, though not in their presentations. It would clear up all the noise if they had some flash cards about what is not there in V1. I work in software development and I think there is a long road ahead here, but its OK. They will work in what ever they need over the next couple of years to grow their user base. Just remember .. its free with your existing Apollo and is only adding usability. Maybe you don't go near it for a couple of years except in the case you want to use the new time-stretch algorithms, maybe you only use it in live off the floor sessions, etc .. The great thing is whatever people are doing today, they can still do only now they have some more options.
@@terrydoylemusic Completely missed that apart from one of them (don't remember in which video) where they said there will be support for VST. Agree with you, the more information the better and more relevant feedback and expectation they'll get. I find it very difficult to see that they will meet their promise of “no latency” as they talked about in the launch presentation. As I understand watching this video, and being an Apollo user, the only way to get very low latency is by arming the recording to take advantage of the interface's DSP. This will obviously mean plenty of restrictions how many plugins can be run and most likely no VST (or AU if that's what they choose to run?) in the signal chain on the armed track. Meaning all other tracks' inserts and sends will be temporarily disabled (?). Still to be found out.
Is it not accurate to say that each platform has their own LUFS? TH-cam has theirs Spotify has theirs, Amazon and Apple has their own LUFS levels. So either way you have to adjust to the requirements of the platforms. Am I wrong?
So, Luna potentially replaces a DAW, but is not a "DAW" because it is strictly tied to Apollo, is not friendly to 3rd party software, and is free. Still trying to understand why we would all want to replace our DAWs, rather than have Luna integrate with them.
Warren CooL all do i did not understand 80% of it but can see i rather have this then Pro Tools ,, I was planning on buying Cubase pro , coz of the video scoring futures , Warren this Luna should have video integration like Cubase ,, just simple , so the scoring pp can have this Luna as a on stop go too !,,, Could you talk with the Universal Audio people about it ,,, for me i wanna compose en record the music to my creative YT uploads ,(drawing )(Filming ), (video editings )Thx Warren
Fully customizable interface, some innovative meters and can display easily on an old iPad if you don't want meters taking up space on your main screen.
It's different in that it's 100% customizable and has an APP to load it on old iPads and such. I saw it in person at Fab's suite and I was really digging it. Super crisp colors and design.
Brainworx and Neve plugins and I'll get the same sound as Luna. All these editing features and midi plus more advanced are in studio one. You can recall all inserts plus more in studio one also. Nothing new except trying to tie people into there ecosystem
Not moaning here, but I can't help feeling that some of these developers/manufacturers are still a little 'Apple-centric'. But then again, I don't honestly think I'd be missing out on anything here, as I feel I have most of it in Cubaset Pro, which runs great on both my PC desktop & laptop at a fraction of the hardware price. There's a law of diminishing return here; how much do you gain against how much does this glitzy new hardware & software cost. If my Intel chip & Gigabyte board can work comfortably at 48,000k on an large multitrack project the only thing missing is in the department marked, 'my skills'. Hey, I know, it's a manufacturer's show, and they got the kit, baby. Watched Mixbus TV yesterday showcasing a modular inflatable isolation cabinet/vocal booth. I thought it sounded like a great idea, until I choked at the $200 per panel price tag. Get well soon
I understand why, though. DAW comes with a whole list of expectations. Calling it a recording system allows them to launch V1 with the core features and have it be rock solid. Over time, as they implement more and more features, as they have said they are going to do, then perhaps they'll loosen up and call it a DAW at that point.
@@BeauStephensonVoiceActor That's a lot of words just to avoid calling a DAW, a DAW. It's a DAW, the prison-type of DAW. We went through this already with Pro Tools, a DAW tied to a specific hardware. No thank you.
They feel it's a system because you are required to use it with Apollo/Arrow, and it's both DSP and native processing. A DAW is a separate thing that can work with most any interface. This only works with theirs. A system.
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What piece of gear or software are you excited to see released this year?
Definitely Luna!
LUNA!!!
I was really excited to see and hear the HEDD headphones. Quite an accomplishment to use an AMT driver for headphones. They were amazingly open sounding (from what I could hear in the noisy NAMM environment) but this product will go a long way! I would highly recommend having a listen! Please choose a better listening environment than I did ;-)
Luna!:)
LUNA. And your episode is the best from the entire NAMM!
Warren absolutely got the best walkthrough of LUNA of anything I saw all last week. Tom really toned down the normal UAD sales pitch and I finally saw so many features that no one else was showing.
As always, thanks Warren, and I look forward to seeing you put LUNA into action later this year. I’m curious if you’ll warm up to the idea that an Apollo Arrow and LUNA are a good value for new producers or musicians just starting out with audio recording.
Hi Robert thanks ever so much Robert!! Yes, Tom is a wonderful guy and we always create great content together!!
I've seen several preview videos of Luna, but this is the first where an actually knowledgeable producer got them to demonstrate the nuts and bolts. I was already on board as a Mac/Apollo owner, but now I'm really interested.
Thanks ever so much my friend!! That means a lot!! I’m so glad to be able to help! Have a marvellous time recording, many thanks Warren
That was probably the most detailed demonstration of Luna. Thank you
Thanks ever so much! Yes! Tom does wonderfully detailed reviews!!
That was the first proper demo of LUNA that I've seen....Nice work Warren. Helps when they know that you know what your talking about!
Thanks ever so much Frank! Yes, Tom is an amazing guy!! We've always done great content together! He knows his onions!
Luna seems perfect for me and the timing is perfect as well. I primarily record live drums and full bands. And I just purchased an Apollo x8p. Luna seems to address all the issues I was having recording and editing in Logic Pro (which I've been using for years). Spring can't come soon enough.
Thanks ever so much for sharing Andrew!!
I think, this is gonna be a game changer. So simple to use, no worries about to think of the console anymore. Good sounding... what else? I want this.... yeah. Thanks for this Warren and Universal Audio.
Hi StringTheory thanks ever so much for sharing your opinion!
Most detailed luna video i can find at the moment. Thanx for the vid 👍🏾
Thanks ever so much my friend I’m so glad to be able to help! Have a marvellous time recording, many thanks Warren
I own an Apollo 8 home studio. Was fed up having to renew subscript to Pro Tools 12. Already blew a grand with them. No more.
Can’t wait for Luna.
Thanks ever so. much for sharing!
This UA guy is the best, finally a great video that shows Luna. Thanks
JoaoRelego Yeah he should be doing the rollout demos and shows, not that other guy.
And of course Warren made the right questions
Thanks Joao! Agreed! Tom Rocks!
@@JoaoRelego you're very kind my friend!!
@@stewie3128 he's pretty amazing! Tom and I have a bunch of great videos together!
The non-interupted recording is a great feature that was kind of just breezed by. What a time saver! How many hours of my time could be saved to do engineer work while performers were doing performance work!
I'm going to sit back and watch how this develops. For now I'm still a protools guy...we'll see though. So much disruption in the industry these days!
Yes, agreed! Great function indeed!!
I’m really excited about Luna and the update to Oeksound Soothe.
That's amazing to hear!!
Great video! Very detailed! Would have liked to have known a little bit more about the Midi, being a composer. Wondering when or if they will have vst2/vst3 support.
Thanks Robert! Yes, more to come!!
The concept for Luna is latency free live recording eg vocals with printed efx in the signal chain or live drums that you carryover into your DAW. It's not for music production as far as I can tell.
Hope you feel better soon Warren! This is a really hard flu. ❤️
Yes! It’s brutal!!
I personally can not wait for LUNA. Im ready to give it my life as long as there is hardware insert at zero latency 👍🏾
Marvellous!
Aww, Warren, hope you get better quickly!
Thanks ever so much Tiffany!!
I am so happy I just bought an apolo 2 months ago
Hi perudolux fantastic!
As someone who just records myself, I am very pumped at the potential workflow improvements with being able to track through UAD plugins without printing and immediately playback through same plugin instances like you could with native plugins but with less latency and potential for dropouts etc. Plus UAD plugins sound great. Expensive though! Glad Luna is free for apollo owners.
Hi Kevin Long that’s wonderful to hear! Wishing you all the best my friend!!
Wow, Warren. Well done. I've been watching LUNA videos for hours, and yours is the first one that really gave a thorough tour. I was feeling like it was more hype than value until I saw this, and now I can see how I'd use it for simple jobs that don't require the power and flexibility of REAPER.
Hi X S aw shucks thanks ever so much! We are all huge fans of Tom! He makes walk throughs very easy, he is incredibly smart and a natural born communicator!
Great explanation and demo of the Luna system. The more detail I hear/see, the better it looks. Like that bit at 42:11 that allows you to create new tracks while recording other tracks ... really helpful for moving fast if while you are tracking a band, someone tells you hey, can I come in on the chorus with a shaker? Yes you can! ha ha. :-)
Thanks ever so much Terry!! Yes, that a subtle but awesome idea!
I can’t wait for Luna
I really like it!
First of all, Warren, thank you very much for asking the guy from UAD right questions - it’s been only now I can understand what Luna is and what it does! 👍👍 I’m about to buy myself more I/Os, I only have an Apollo twin, I own several pieces of analog gear I need to hook them up to my computer and for last two months I’ve been trying to convince myself I don’t need one Apollo x 8 , or 16. And I almost managed to do that after having read a bulk load of specs from all leading music gear makers, AND now I’m back where I was 2 months ago 😁😁. More seriously, when you consider carefully what you need for a budget but still a professional sounding studio - gear wise and gear integration wise, Apollos don’t look that expensive with what they offer for the price -- plus now they’ve got a DAW of their own
I have two BF Apollo 8 and an Audient ASP880 in to the adat of one of them. Fantastic for recording a full band with API on teh drums, Helios on the guitars, etc ... all on the way in. When it comes to mix time ... I spend my time balancing and automating, not trying to create some vibe cos its already there. I am looking forward to trying out the Luna system as it looks like a new beginning but with a load of experience put on from day 1. As a Version 1 of their software, I am pretty impressed.
I’m thinking of Apollo x8 plus ISA 428 mk2 with its 8 channels adat card, which allows to integrate another 4 pres, and 4 chains of processors through its inserts. But Focusrite Clarett 8pre X thunderbolt also offers good sound and connectivity (separate line / microphone ins plus insert sends/returns on every channel and adat for ISA) Its cheaper than Apollo over 1000 EUR with its brilliant connectivity but lower specs (still better than my Apollo twin 🙂🙂) - I was almost decided to buy this one.. However, now when UAD introduced Luna I’ll wait to see it, I’m particularly interested how the integration with outboard hardware processors is solved. I’m not in a hurry I’m working on acoustics in my studio now, taking down some walls, etc.. pretty serious business 😁😁. ( Lots of DSP in Apollo x is also a strong selling point, still I’m sure more will be needed. I noticed they promo Apollos with either extra dsp satelites (I have one) or extra free plugins it’s a good idea to wait for it, I think )
Thanks ever so much Say Saylor for your great well thought out comment!
@@terrydoylemusic thanks ever so much for sharing my friend!
Produce Like A Pro You are very welcome! 🙂
Luna looks VERY interesting. But are we really back to hardware locked DAWs? Wasn’t that what we all hated about Avid for so, so many years?
It's almost like an advance capture recording app. Presonus when they first had StudioLive had capture software with routing and different channel strips. Metric Halo have a capture app that's different from their mix setup. Even with MOTU you're getting a DAW that's setup for tracking with their gear. You don't have to use it, but it's ready for you.
avid pro tools is not free. Luna is.
Hi James Schaffner no, because you can use their hardware with any DAW and vice versa.
Hi James Schaffner also to be able to use their hardware without having the extra mixer you need with other DAW’s will be much better for many of us!
Hi King Ech yes, indeed!
Sorry you got sick! Thanks for the in depth video on Luna! I am really looking forward to seeing this compete against the other recording software out there.
I'm guessing Eric is going to have some new work to do setting up a new system.
And I hope you very soon get over the rockin' NAMMonia and NAMMthrax too.
Haha quote likely! Let's see!
Love that with one click you can copy your fader mix to a separate cue mix , this kind of thinking on their part gives me a lot of confidence in this software and their understanding and of how music is recorded. Has some excellent features, like "ARM" and how it purports to balance between hardware DSP and Native resources to let you overdub even with a large track and plug in count, very smart and practical. A potential game changer.
Hi Tim, yes, marvellous! Thanks for pointing that out!
Ha ha Love it! I like how at 13:16 the gentleman showing the Luna software mentions the Apollo system and "Rocket Man" is playing in the background.....Almost too lined up lol ;)
Thanks Warren for all your hard work while being sick!
~ Mary
Super excited about Luna... I'll be coming from Reaper and Pro Tools...
Thanks for sharing Scott!
Great video as always, Warren !
And very interesting news too. I helped a friend of mine setup his home studio with Apollos, and him not being an engineer (great keyboard player though, his son is a very good drummer too), he's kinda confused by the Console vs DAW thing and how to setup monitoring for recording, so this would make his life MUCH easier. Plus the layout seems to be quite straightforward, especially for the non-technical types.
I'll definitely point him towards the Luna, when is it expected to ship ?
Thought my fluke was the multi meter of my dreams but this looks amazing 🤔
That's great to hear!!
Luna seems pretty cool but really, how often does it crash?
Hi Miguel, I suppose we will see it's stability once it launches!
If you already work with a UAD Thunderbolt interface and have a load of UAD plugins, I'm one of those, then LUNA has to be the most exciting and game-changing product to come out this year. I am actually looking to move from my current DAW and have been demoing PreSonus Studio One 4. Or, trying to... I'm not 100% taken with it - from a user experience POV, I'm not enjoying working with it. (maybe I need to give it more time). But just watching the LUNA walkthrough here, I feel I already know it and would quickly get it. I love the concept behind the layout and workflow. The features demoed on this version 1 release give it the quality and features of a mature application... and it looks gorgeous. Can't wait to get my paws on this. Hope you're recovering well, Warren. Thanks for these insightful reviews.
Hi Franco Lautieri that’s wonderful to hear! Yes, agreed, this makes perfect sense to many in the UAD family!
Awesome video, Warren! I'm a happy Apollo user, and can't wait to use Luna. Hope you don't have the corona virus...get well soon!
That's amazing to hear Dan!!
I think UAD is taking over the world. Realy a cool system. Seems like the days of PARIS are coming back. If only their converters were as sweet sounding as those.
Thanks ever so much for sharing your insight!
Warren caught the NAMMthrax!!!!OH NO!!!!!
Yes!! It’s horrible!!!
;D coronamm
I guess the UA guys are aiming to producers that already own an Apollo, Mac and ProTools, to try to steer them into their own (and free) DAW. Funny how all the "great NEW features" are just everyday stuff for Studio One and other daw's users. The interface also looks like a proTools+StudioOne crossover. Anyway, can't hurt to have a new player in the game.
Great video as usual !
Hi Juan Marco it seems everyone here is saying it reminds them of their own DAW, from Ableton to Pro Toole, Reaper to Studio One, Cubase, everyone is responding with comments about it has the features of their DAW.
Hi Okay1 from the description I got it was third party companies like Neve etc that you would have to purchase their stuff. Which I don’t find surprising. It seems as though the basic functionality is free. My gut is they are trying to make it free to encourage its use and only additional features they have to license from third party companies are extra
The one thing I have not seen yet is automation.....
Hi@@okay1904 thanks for your detailed response! I have two studios and my second one, Harmony, has UAD running and we track through the Interfaces and plug ins all the time with zero latency because it runs off of their hardware. The issue (just like Pro Tools HD and HDX) is when you use the computers cpu. I hope that clarifies? Many thanks Warren
As a musician that is new to recoridng. (I have always went to studios to record anything of quality. ) I purchased an apollo twin on offer up or something and instantly felt relieved with how easy it was to set up and track with quality results. Unlike most of the users on here that are comparing it to something they have used for years and are heavily invested in I am not in that situation. I bought the interface because it is a very high quality interface that i bougut for 350 dollars and it came with plug ins and i can daisy chain with a apollo quad or apollo8x. Now they release luna and it is free to current users with thunderbolt. Maybe the finacial side is dedicated to selling more plugins that optimize the software but they havent let that get in the way of creating amazing tools for producers, engineers and musicians. So far everything i have used from universal audio has been amazing on its own legs. I would buy an apollo interface if luna didnt exist. I would buy a 1176 if the plugins didnt exist. These tools they are giving us are making life easier for people that have invested in their products is just amazing. I can honestly say universal audio is one of the few companies that gets me excited about their releases cause I am always getting more than what I expected.
U-Audio... amazing tools that will save me sooooo much time with fewer headaches. Nice job!!!
Hopefully tutorials for Luna will come out soon for beginners like me to learn about how to use it.
I'm sure once it's officially released there will be plenty!
For those that haven't worked in the UAD environment, they already have a software interface called Console that is incredibly useful for tracking live and Luna seems to be a natural extension of it. Console works like, you guessed it, a mixing console but with presets so you could save a snapshot of say a live drum recording session where you have your mics running through an Apollo pre with a plugin emulating a hardware console pre then stack your plugins to get the chain you want and send that to your DAW to record it. Luna cuts out the need for the DAW to record it. Cubase, SD1, Reaper, insert other DAW here, does not integrate with your pre's/ DSP/plugins like Luna will. The other real life use I love is I can send a monitor mix back to an artist live with a full mix already done but with zero latency. That is a game changer.
I'm excited to get this for FREE!!!! I'm a Digital performer alumni from version 1,5, and a PT 11 user that will not buy into their pay for play scam !!! I think I'm looking at my next daw!!! I nailed it, I said months ago that UA needed to make their own DAW and I was right, Go Me!!!! But seriously, this looks great from my aspect, I have 2, UAD2 front ends and 2 octos, that makes an astounding, 8 UAD inputs with UAD pre's 24 recording inputs and 24 cores, with 40 plus plugs I'm pretty set with any mix any size I want, and yes it took me a while to get here, I was putting all my chips into UAD2. Now that they ursuped PT, I'm all in again!!! Good job UAD. Now its time to hit the books and learn another DAW!!!!! Good bye PT, I loved your plugs but,... Not that much!!!!!! I put my money where my mouth is and I won this time!!!!!! about time.
Thunderbolt only blows. Bummer. Was excited about Luna.
Yes, they started this process (I'm sure it's taken 5 years or so to do this!) before PC got onto Thunderbolt because out was significantly faster. It's a highly competitive arena between Mac vs PC unfortunately and one of the results is we don't initially always get the best things until they are forced to cooperate!
Thanks for this, Warren. I have the flu right now, too, so I can empathize.
Get better.
I hear you! The flu is pretty horrid indeed!!
Felt so sorry for Warren the whole time, what a trooper! Great products, too (Y)
Hi Alex Wallace thanks ever so much! Yes, the flu! Haha not much fun indeed
Produce Like A Pro Did a great. I’ll assume you were on the gin + Lemsip 😄👍
@@thesethreekings haha just PG Tips!!
Yes this is a game changer... Because so many love the hardware and the software is free.... And couple that with pro tools charging so MUCH... Oh yeah!!!
Thanks ever so much for sharing!!
Good video It shows that Luna is more powerful than I expected. I thought it was some cheap crap that UA put together but Luna really looks well thought out. If only UA converters were on the level of high end units I would trade in my RME UFX+. Luna could be a little cheaper route to get latency free recording only offered with Pro Tools.
Yes, indeed! From what I can tell they've spent 5 years in development using Thunderbolt to give near zero latency, now Windows have also adopted Thunderbolt I'm sure they will be making it eventually available for Windows too.
Never thought of UA creating a DAW.
It certainly deserves a great demo from you.
Yes, I look forward to trying it
Dang. How does a brand new ("not") DAW already have so many instinctive features we don't have in Pro Tools. Looks interesting. Feel better Warren!!!
Thanks ever so much for sharing your opinion Camilo!
Of course we Windows based Apollo Twin USB3 users just go about business as usual. I am using Sonar Platinum and do have some of the features shown in LUNA, but the Windows group are always in the UA back seat. Buying the Apollo was one of the best gear choices that I've made over the decades though.
It has a lot of editing features that Samplitude and Sequoia has had for 20+ years. Welcome to the club.
WRT to LUNA... wondering how UAD has implemented automation (pan, volume). Warren, were you able to see a demo of that? Thanks!
Still have an ipad 2. I was working with the EUcontrol on PT11 and was gutted when AVID forced compatibility off the ipad. Would love to integrate this in my studio!
This LUNA daw workflow remind me a lot on how I work on Logic Pro x... honestly Only thing missing is the DSP support apart from that is very close.
I was excited when I heard about this and as I am in the market for a new interface the Apollo moved up the list. Wait a minute they are only supporting Mac and no talk of Windows support!! I guess I'm sticking RME. UAD has blown it with me. How much did Apple pay UAD?
it's a DAW !!! period !! Mater of fact it looks a lot like Presonus Studio One.
Hi Ninja! Thanks for your comment! It's wonderful to see that everyone is saying it looks like their DAW! If you look below there's Cubase, Ableton, Studio One, Pro Tools etc!
Amazing tutorial. Thank you so much for the interview. My only remaining question: how does printing to tracks work? Is there an easy way to print FX and save but disable FX inserts to free up DSP on the Apollo?
Wow, super stoked for Luna! Will be tough to do full bands without an 8p and ADAT in with another pre but if it's that solid of an integrated system, maybe it'll incentivize me to purchase one ;P
Fantastic Elijah!!
Total pro and trooper.
Thanks ever so much Pat!
NAMMThrax elbow - haha Glenn Fricker gave me the elbow when I saw him at NAMM - luckily I didn't get the thrax - get well soon, Warren
Haha yes, indeed! It's worth it to stop the spread of the Thrax!!
It definitely will not be a game changer for the majority of producer/engineer types. It’s too system exclusive right now (Apollo only). Maybe when it catches up to the top five leading DAWs in common features. With that said, im an Apollo owner and I’m excited to get my hands on Luna
Hi Ray, yes, this is definitely case by case dependent! Some people are going to love it and it’s really going to help, others not. Just like DAW’s in general one persons amazing is going to be another’s fairly good! Haha personally I think it’s a huge step in the right direction and like anything it will take time to be fully integrated.
Questions I didn't get answered:
- Does LUNA record the midi when playing with soft synths? Or is it recording the audio only?
- When you have a big project with both UAD and 3rd party plugs, and you want to punch a new track, are you going to be subject to latency because your project has bunch of 3rd party stuff?
- Does every plugin that I would normally use with Logic (for example), work in the 3rd party slot of LUNA?
- I still need to think through how I would create a workflow that uses all my thing likes Superior Drummer and all it's capabilities.
If you think this is so unique, it show that you don’t know the market of similar products. Actually you need to have the whole song played before you can decide the Lufs level, because it integrates. Rx7, waves plugins, youlean loudness meter, etc.
I don't know about anyone else, but having used pretty much every major DAW, I don't see anything really "new" to LUNA. Studio One, Pro Tools, Logic, etc all have the time and pitch warping, relative grid, easy fading and clip gain, and better comping options if I'm honest, and I haven't heard of any interface that doesn't offer zero latency (I never use DAW monitoring anyways).....plus it's limited to Apollo interfaces. Am I missing something here?
exactly my thought
FEEL BETTER SOON, WARREN!!!
Really excited about LUNA!
For the general knowledge of the UA guy, Cockos Reaper have that feature adding-tracks-and-plugins-while-recording waaa....aaay before UA reinvented the DAW.
Ooooooo and I just got an Apollo Twin X!😍😏
Hi Suede Lacy marvellous!!
What about connectivity to external hardware ? Can I use my external compressor hw? If not, Luna is only baby toy.
Hi Jaro Plichta of course!! They have analog ins and outs so you can connect external equipment!
Honestly great idea but all new DAW'S have that old Cakewalk Sonar look that is harsh on the eyes and brain that's why I've always been a Avid Pro Tools and Steingberg Cubase person for their looks and workflow love UAD tho
You always ask what’s your favorite amp. But not here. Can I just say the Friedman smallbox “limited “. Search has ended for my perfect amp imo. The limited though in off white 😉. Took yrs to save up.
Thanks ever so much for sharing
You can tell that Apollo created Luna just not to deal anymore with protools and they're monopolistic attitude. Well done!
Very happy to stop paying my middle man (avid) it’s yearly hush money for what seems like a more streamlined, optimised uad recording experience that will save my tab button due to the lack of window switching. The biggest thing of all though is I feel as though my purchased plugins and Octo card have a gained value and were a worthwhile long term investment for my recording workflow.
Apologies in advance if someone has asked already. WIll Luna load VST instruments and effects?. Thanks :)
I wonder how you would do hardware inserts to integrate outboard equipment as an insert since it is all low/no latency?!? Thanks for the great most detailed coverage of LUNA. This thing is definitely looking very interesting and might be perfect for our studio since we are all UAD/Apollo already anyway. Thanks a lot!
No HW inserts in V1 according to Drew @ UA in various forums. Its definitely on the feature list, their customers tend to have some real HW as well as their plugins.
@@terrydoylemusic Thanks for the fast response. For a version 1 this seems to be pretty complete. HW later is fine with me. Happy mixing!
@@fx-mayhem1081 Bummer I have a DIONE that begs to live on my 2 Bus.
Thanks Warren, get well!
Thanks for describing Ableton Live
Hmm, a DAW that will only work with a certain audio interface. Whats unique about that DAW that is going to beat Reaper (for example). Unlimited tracks, busses, not exciting enough imho.
Kind of reminded me of the free LE software you get with other interfaces.
It looks beautiful but from a DAW stand point severely lacking in flexibility.
Anneke de Bruyn please elaborate.
Yeah, I don't see how this challenges Reaper, and Reaper isn't tied to any hardware.
anti/HUMAN Designs im just trying to understand luna more. Im not sure if you can master on it, produce music etc.. i guess we would have to play the waiting game to see how good it is
What about Cakewalk? Its free, but its advantage is that it wasnt made to be free to begin with like Reaper, it was made as a high end DAW to be sold and compete with the rest back when that was a thing. When Gibson who owned it at the time went bankrupt they sold it off and the people who bought it made it free. It even includes some brand name amp models like Randall. Its just software, and information is free so theres no magic going on with these daws that anybody else cant do, all the magic you pay for is in the plugins so its no wonder they're giving it away for free. That being said the stock effects and amp models even they give with Cakewalk is pretty nice anyway, I was about to buy FL studio until I found it honestly but would still get FL studio because I liked their delay but you cant beat free.
It's worth noting that on Newegg . com one can buy refurbished iPads for $150-$300.
Day 1 at the marketing and sales psychology seminar: “Here's a thing I think you'd like…”
Will be fun to try Luna and see how it deals with 50+ tracks with both UA plugs and VSTs running and see how that zero latency actually performs.
Hopefully they will manage to solve this, and if so, I would be happy see Console updated to be able to run VSTs as well.
When it comes to features I can't see anything new but new ways of doing things already done in other DAWs.
Logic, and I'm sure many other DAWs, have all these features already. Just a different workflow.
@@okay1904 My thoughts too. They haven't been keen on talking about VST implementation during NAMM so will be interesting to see how it will work out.
No VST... AU only !!
@@emmanuelcambier4578 Works good for me : ) I never use VST anyway
@@cornerliston They have clearly said no VST in version 1 on a couple of forums, though not in their presentations. It would clear up all the noise if they had some flash cards about what is not there in V1. I work in software development and I think there is a long road ahead here, but its OK. They will work in what ever they need over the next couple of years to grow their user base. Just remember .. its free with your existing Apollo and is only adding usability. Maybe you don't go near it for a couple of years except in the case you want to use the new time-stretch algorithms, maybe you only use it in live off the floor sessions, etc .. The great thing is whatever people are doing today, they can still do only now they have some more options.
@@terrydoylemusic Completely missed that apart from one of them (don't remember in which video) where they said there will be support for VST.
Agree with you, the more information the better and more relevant feedback and expectation they'll get.
I find it very difficult to see that they will meet their promise of “no latency” as they talked about in the launch presentation.
As I understand watching this video, and being an Apollo user, the only way to get very low latency is by arming the recording to take advantage of the interface's DSP. This will obviously mean plenty of restrictions how many plugins can be run and most likely no VST (or AU if that's what they choose to run?) in the signal chain on the armed track. Meaning all other tracks' inserts and sends will be temporarily disabled (?).
Still to be found out.
Is it not accurate to say that each platform has their own LUFS? TH-cam has theirs Spotify has theirs, Amazon and Apple has their own LUFS levels. So either way you have to adjust to the requirements of the platforms. Am I wrong?
Yo lol is that Gangsta of love -Geto boys playing in the background?
Haha really? I diode;t notice what was playing in the background! Haha
@@Producelikeapro 25:00
Haha nice!
Hey Warren! Can we import video and score for picture, sound design and stuff?
i like it alot
Hardware inserts??
So, Luna potentially replaces a DAW, but is not a "DAW" because it is strictly tied to Apollo, is not friendly to 3rd party software, and is free. Still trying to understand why we would all want to replace our DAWs, rather than have Luna integrate with them.
Warren CooL all do i did not understand 80% of it but can see i rather have this then Pro Tools ,, I was planning on buying Cubase pro , coz of the video scoring futures , Warren this Luna should have video integration like Cubase ,, just simple , so the scoring pp can have this Luna as a on stop go too !,,, Could you talk with the Universal Audio people about it ,,, for me i wanna compose en record the music to my creative YT uploads ,(drawing )(Filming ), (video editings )Thx Warren
That metering software ... how is it any different than iZotope Insight?
Fully customizable interface, some innovative meters and can display easily on an old iPad if you don't want meters taking up space on your main screen.
It's different in that it's 100% customizable and has an APP to load it on old iPads and such. I saw it in person at Fab's suite and I was really digging it. Super crisp colors and design.
Poor Warren, get well soon. Drink tons of clean water.. Lol... Great NAMM VIDEOS! Thank you
Thanks ever so much my friend!!
Brainworx and Neve plugins and I'll get the same sound as Luna. All these editing features and midi plus more advanced are in studio one. You can recall all inserts plus more in studio one also. Nothing new except trying to tie people into there ecosystem
Not moaning here, but I can't help feeling that some of these developers/manufacturers are still a little 'Apple-centric'. But then again, I don't honestly think I'd be missing out on anything here, as I feel I have most of it in Cubaset Pro, which runs great on both my PC desktop & laptop at a fraction of the hardware price. There's a law of diminishing return here; how much do you gain against how much does this glitzy new hardware & software cost. If my Intel chip & Gigabyte board can work comfortably at 48,000k on an large multitrack project the only thing missing is in the department marked, 'my skills'. Hey, I know, it's a manufacturer's show, and they got the kit, baby. Watched Mixbus TV yesterday showcasing a modular inflatable isolation cabinet/vocal booth. I thought it sounded like a great idea, until I choked at the $200 per panel price tag. Get well soon
Yeah Apple is a cell phone company now. Don't understand why the audio community continues to get sucked into paying for their overpriced computers.
Wickedness increase 👍🏽
Glad to be able to see this before it gets blocked because of the Elton John music. :)
thanks for an in depth look at Luna, but unfortunately my apollo twin usb3 for windows will not support Luna:0(
“We don’t call it a DAW”... er... except it is.
I understand why, though. DAW comes with a whole list of expectations. Calling it a recording system allows them to launch V1 with the core features and have it be rock solid. Over time, as they implement more and more features, as they have said they are going to do, then perhaps they'll loosen up and call it a DAW at that point.
@@BeauStephensonVoiceActor That's a lot of words just to avoid calling a DAW, a DAW. It's a DAW, the prison-type of DAW. We went through this already with Pro Tools, a DAW tied to a specific hardware. No thank you.
They feel it's a system because you are required to use it with Apollo/Arrow, and it's both DSP and native processing. A DAW is a separate thing that can work with most any interface. This only works with theirs. A system.
@@BeauStephensonVoiceActor nah, it's just marketing bs to make your product feel different to the competition
In the back it sounds like a party going on
Haha it was pretty darn loud indeed! God bless NAMM!
Old iPad 4 - this was my first thinking seeing it - neat! :)
I was so hyped with LUNA till I remembered that my Apollo is the Twin USB 😭
Will it work on Linux?
ARA2 support in luna?
Warp? Sounds familiar... paging Ableton. 🤪