Feminism and Christianity with Dianna Williams - The Alisa Childers Podcast #4
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Thank u for doing this as a young black man it’s hard trying to contemplate this because every time I say it’s not biblical my generation just sees me as a black woman hater or a misogynist. In fact I was called a misogynist just for using the word female. The black community has been a big victim of this for our women because of the war on drugs era where a lot of black men were incarcerated leaving them away from the family. Which left a lot of single house holds with little black boys with no positive Christian male role models to be the example. Now there’s this constant struggle with trust between black men and black women that is sadly still at war. Where black women have a hard time submitting to the men in our community because of the abandonment. While also having little trust because they don’t encounter many positive masculine, Christian men so they have a lot encounters that are the very opposite that causes them even more pain and resentment. Built up over the years this tension, if not dealt through Christ’s Healing will lead to dysfunction and confusion. While on the other end black boys struggle without a father and don’t understand how to lead from a masculine perspective because they’re mom was their father figure. Which causes so much dysfunction and toxic families in our community. I’m so passionate about it because I just see to many confused kids from my generation trying to reverse the gender norms and take the man out of leading the household. We need more men to come to Christ so then they can lead their families the right way. Especially in the black community. It’s just sad that Christianity has hurt us because of racism and this country’s past that many hesitate to find the truth and lean on their own understanding since that’s how they survived. Which made a lot of households entertain new age beliefs and false doctrines such as the self being God.
Thank you for pointing out Romans 5. Paul gives Adam credit for the fall of mankind. Yes, both Adam and Eve are to blame. However, Romans 5 supports the Biblical concept of marriage that the man is to lead his wife as Christ leads the church, that the man is responsible for the family, that he has a big job to do in the role of husband. For Paul to give him credit for the fall shows how his authority over Eve (as Jesus has authority over the church) is coupled with an equally heavy responsibility for discipling her and loving her (as Christ loves the church). Powerful! Thank you!
I agree with you 100 percent... Real Men of Christ value there wives and treat them with respect and gentleness... The Man is the lead.. God made it that way.. just like women can have babies not men.. we both have our roles in this life.. but this whole other women empowerment movement is not scriptural.. what you said is scripture.. man and women are two blame for the fall..
They should women be allowed to make decisions if they're not gonna be held accountable?
Thank you for this informative video! 🌹
thanks for the informative podcast!
Here's some push-back:
At Approx. 21:50 into the podcast, the claim is made that the Lord had already established a subordinate structure (Eve to Adam) prior to the Fall.
This is pure Eisegesis.
Something that has been imported into the text; something that is not found in the original Autographs.
Well over a century ago, Katharine Bushnell (1855-1946) soundly refuted this notion in her seminal work God's Word to Women.
Bushnell was a medical doctor back when it was considered unseemly for women to even consider becoming doctors.
She also took it upon herself to learn Hebrew and Greek so that she could diligently compare and contrast Scripture to see for herself if God had indeed established a gender-based hierarchy in the beginning.
Over time, I've arrived at the same conclusion she did.
No such subordinate structure was laid down by the Almighty before the Fall.
Exactly! She gave no evidence of subordination before the fall... either a huge oversight on her part or deliberate neglect. That was unfortunate.
@@joannecaradonna6877 Williams can speak for herself, but it's also very possible that she's never heard of Bushnell and her writings.
@@jackmahkimetas8694 Yes, laying out the textual evidence for women being subordinate to men prior to the Fall would have been a useful thing to include so that the claim becomes an argument rather than an assertion.
I haven't yet reached that point in the podcast, but as what else would you then take the statement that Eve was made as Adam's helper (Gen 2:18)? I don't really have anything to gain in arguing that point, just offering push-back to your push-back :)
Wouldn't applying biblical gender roles still reap biblical benefits in any society, at any time, even in 2020?
What is your take on black history and black issues as far as the Bible is concerned? I've thought and heard from other people of my race that the Bible can also be oppressive to blacks.
It is not oppressive to any race but evil people have used the bible to push racist ideas....check out the real Adam Coleman Christian apologist
If Christianity is anti-black then why did the slave masters have to make the slave bible? Taking out 90% of the old testament and half of the new testament in fear that the omitted parts would incite rebellion? I recommend the channel "What do you meme" for addressing slavery in the bible in general.
If jesus was races, he would told moses to divorce his wife. Or would not told phillip to go meet the eunuch. Jesus wants just balances an weights. Treat a poor person just the same as a rich person no matter there status. Jesus looks at our motives
I don’t see any hierarchy between men and women before the fall. The guest made that assertion but she did not back it up with scripture.
Do I understand her correctly?
Genesis 3:16
Could you please clarify what you mean about being repulsed by women's marches?
The women's marches of the last few years have been largely centered around speaking out against and bringing awareness to violence against women. I don't really understand how you could be repulsed by a march about that?
I just found this video and came across your comment. I can’t speak for Alisa but for me, when Trump took office women marched on Washington. I was horrified that one of my coworkers whom I respected was going to march and she was wearing a pink hat. I asked her about it and she told me it, well, I’m sure you know what she called it. I lost all respect for her in that moment. Then there was the march. Thousands of women wearing hats like that. I saw women dressed in taco Halloween costume because the female vagina, in their opinion looked like one. Movie stars and speakers were screaming at the top of their lungs cussing and using such vulgarity that it would turn your hair gray. Vulgar signage was something as well. These women reduced themselves to females of our species and I felt shame and disgust so I had to stop watching. I don’t know the outcome of that march but I believe it was a very low point and several steps back in the “evolution” of earning respect for women. If you find this and respond please don’t bring up politics as that isn’t the point of my comment. Thanks for listening.
@@Notevenone You know that was in response to Trump saying to "just grab them by the p**** " right? Like that's the whole thing that started the marches?
If you're more offended by women using vulgar words than the actual violence they're marching against, then I just don't know what to say.
I' be heard many pastors give sermons completely blaming Eve for initiating sin and therefore justifying her subordination based on that judgment. Nothing patriarchal about that!
Sadly, I have heard the same thing from others, not necessarily pastors. Romans 5, however, relates to our inherited sinful nature as Adam's sin, not Eve's. Paul does mention in 1 Timothy 2 that Eve, not Adam, was deceived, using that as a reason for a woman to not teach or to have authority over a man within the church. Paul, in Ephesians 5, sees a husband as the head of the wife, as Christ is the Head of the Church. Husband and wives are emulating roles, of which God has established the order. However, in Gatatians 3, Paul also says that men and women are one in Christ Jesus, and that gender makes no different in their position. So men and women are of equal value but have different roles. Please make sure to compare what Christianity says about women to what the Bible says, not what some pastor said. I am sorry you had that experience in the first place.
I have been told by feminist since I was born that I was evil because I am a man. Nothing hateful about that.
@@JeffSmith-rz2er i have been told by mras that I am a witch for just being born a woman. Nothing hateful about that either.
@@josevelarde8589 thanks for the clarification 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Gender is a social construct, but also are cars, boats, trees, food, words and many other things. Social constructs are in my opinion words that describe what is already a reality in the world. Social constructs are good when are truthful not individual truth, actual general truth. It blames Adam because he was in charge and 2nd God saw them as one.
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Now you have trans woman and trans men being included in the world's view of "Feminism".
I don't respect this podcast. Alisa is, other than a few mere words, is just as worldly and manly as 21st Century pagan men. Major hypocrite? I dare say. No responses, thanks, can't possibly waste my oh so precious time, lol.
Complete hypocrites.