I love the idea of Mordecai playing with the village kids, and in my head it's more like... He's doing whatever work, and they're just climbing him like a jungle gym.
I think the contrivance of the Blood Pact really hurts the story of part 3 and makes Micaiah joining the war seem like a fault on her part. Really the writers should have come up with a better reason for Daein to get involved besides sudden magical blackmail.
I just feel like the vast majority of Beorc on the continent will turn on the Lagush at the drop of the hat. We have like a few named characters who are the exception and don't hate OR fear the Lagush but everyone else is just waiting for a chance to go on a genocide.
@@Asko83 That seems like a way better motivation for the Daein side of this conflict. 99% of that country is raging laguz racists and they need magical black mail to be convinced to eradicate Laguz?
@@scrapox217 and you honestly think the Daein people want to side with Begnion? They wouldn't side with their oppressors immediately after liberation AND they would never have been liberated if not for the blood pact. Begnion had no reason to let go without the pact, and Daein had no reason to side with them without it. It's literally the only way to get Daein into the war lol
I think what the whole Micaiah rant boils down to is basically "Is this a bad decision to make?" Yes "Is it in character for Micaiah to make this decision?" Also Yes there's a difference between a character making a poor decision because it's who they are and making a bad decision because the writer needs them to be stupid for a scene or three
I think it would be in character of Micaiah knew about the blood pact right from the beginning. I think it's out of character for her to trust Pelleas so much that she's willing to get involved in a massive war that will only bring more problems to Daein without at least some kind of explanation on why. She's clearly willing to go against orders to do what's right, so she's not loyal to pelleas to a fault like Zelgius is loyal to begnion. That's the main differnce.
@@VexdinLord I'm not so sure about that. Even at the best of times Micaiah's divination is pretty vague, and the game establishes that her powers aren't working properly at this point (later revealed to be through exhaustion), so I doubt that she'd know about the blood pact, especially since she didn't know what they were before Pelleas explained it to her. So at best I'd say she'd be able to determine that Pelleas is being manipulated against his will, and figure out that it's the Begnion Senate doing so. All that'd change really is that if Micaiah told that revelation to Sothe (which she probably would) he'd confront Pelleas about the Blood Pact earlier and slightly expedite the process. And her loyalty is more so towards Daein as a country and her people, and their point about how if Micaiah deserts the entire country would fall apart, unlike Zelgius whom Begnion would just replace with a puppet general loyal to the Senate.
@@midnight_gmr8562 I didn't mean for her powers to tell her about the Blood pact, I'm saying Micaiah should have made Pelleas tell her about the blood pact. I know that Micaiah leaving would basically cause Pelleas's reign to end there, so I don't think she would leave. But I don't accept Micaiah would just accept an answer of, "just trust me, going to war on the side of the people who oppressed us against a nation we have very little beef with while we're barely holding ourselves together is a good idea." We see later on the once Micaiah knows, she's much more willing to go along with the plan until they find some solution, which can be in character since now Micaiah knows Daein will suffer if they refuse. Before that, she's basically condemning Daein to suffer without knowing why, which I feel is out of character for her.
@@VexdinLord The best explanation I can get from what the game gives is that Miccy's powers still tell her that Pelleas is a good dude and sincere, so even though she doesn't know about the blood pact she figures there must be some good reason for Pelleas to tell her to do these things. I think Micaiah also figures that... if she displayed any kind of protest or resistance against the war, it would be interpreted by everyone as delegitimizing Pelleas's rule and it would turn into a coup by the army/people of Daein regardless of her wishes.
@@marinary1326 She's close enough to Pelleas to get a private audience, I feel like she could have asked him for a reason when nobody else was looking if she was that concerned.
It took Yam's Micaiah rant to figure out that Micaiah has an abusive realtionship with the entire country of Daein. Just all the reasons she is loyal to Daein feel like what happens when you are around a narcissist.
Their *sttk* stabbing improv bits just makes me imagine the person dead on the ground and flailing like a fish out of water every time they make a noise, I love it.
The constant me want bite improvisations had be rolling. Its such a simple bit but it felt so fun cause its absolutely the same kind of joke me and my own friends would keep running with ourselves, so listening to this felt like hanging out with my own bros.
Ike: "When this is all over, you'll be getting one heck of a bill." Sanaki: "What would you like as a reward." Ike: "I want Zelgius." Soren: "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
Peleas wouldn't even have the same level of respect that Elincia had, because at least Elincia picked up a sword and stabbed some people. Peleas just sat back and gave bad orders.
It actually makes way less sense for Zelgius to not turn traitor. Valtome's threat to kill him is so empty because who in Begnion could actually do the deed? Meanwhile Micahia has been running her whole life, and finally found a place where she is accepted and wanted and she's going to fight for that.
While it makes a lot of logical sense, it has been established that Zelgius is a soldier first and a person second. He will obey the command of a superior officer, no matter how ill-advised. It’s a character flaw! Sometimes people make the objectively wrong decisions!
Begnion does have quite a few mages they could probably kill him with, notably the senators, but the amount of times Valtome follows him into the woods or the like all alone, he could easily ambush him and blame it on a Laguz. Pick off the senators one by one, no one will suspect anything until the 4th one, and Zelgius absolutely has public approval behind him
Honestly I've always felt Micaiah was the bright spot in the otherwise weakly written part 3. Her character actually has an interesting conflict, with her being forced to compromise her morals to protect Daein in a war she doesn't believe in and knows she doesn't have a chance of winning. I love Ike, but basically all of his character development happens in Path of Radiance. Here he's just Badass Hero Leader Guy, which is unfortunate but understandable as an awkward result of the story being split between two games. The Begnion civil war happens mostly offscreen and the ultimate reveal of how Lekain is controlling Pelleas feels underdeveloped and contrived. Micaiah is really the one thing I can point to and say was done right.
Yam was the gamer girl who broke my preconceptions and framework of games as only really a guys favorite thing I also appreciate how she breaks down both games and dynamics/context o the game and situations that the gang gets into or covers
Best joke of every character *Ranulf:* Aggressively eats Satori Sign 1:45:47 *Lethe:* Me want bite 2:19:29 *Giffica:* squeaky voice 1:44:08 *Tanith:* “Thank you, Tanith” “I’m Sigrun” 2:40:09 *Sanaki:* Beyblade 2:47:24 *Geoffrey:* The Hollow Knight™ that contains Makalov 1:28:44 *Skrimir:* Is that Suzan?! 1:38:51/1:42:26/1:51:22 *Levail:* Picnic with Zelgius 2:03:20 *Valtome:* Egg timer nose 1:32:03
Oh my lord, hearing someone else give voice to the indignant rage I've held in my chest for like a decade about the fanbase's treatment of Micaiah might be the biggest bump of catharsis I've ever felt in one go.
Don’t we love “my thing good, your thing bad” arguments that comprise the internet? I mean, i’m not a fan of Miciah but we can all have different tastes without getting grumpy and vitriolic
@@PrimordialChaos-ll7osAnd Micaiah, with her role, comparison with other characters and all, is naturally not a character people will agree on. Heck, I've browsed the internet recently for RD content and there's quite a bit of Micaiah fans who didn't like her at first, but loved her later on.
I honestly think the hate for Micaiah stems from just one minor thing: she isn't allowed to respond to Pelleas, at all. "Go fight the subhumans" is used as a shock stinger, and in the very next scene, Sothe is like "You didn't even ASK him why he's doing this?!" The pacing makes it seem as if she never considered for a moment any alternative options, just plugged her ears and followed orders like the dumbest Camus.
This is exactly it and I don't see anyone else saying it. It's hard to rewatch this episode because I feel like the chat, who is experiencing this game for the first time, is being reprimanded for having the exact reaction the narrative seems to want to elicit at the time. Jello and Yam obviously have a very deep understanding and appreciation for Micaiah, which is great and makes for amazing acting to view but they have experienced this story many times each. Again this is the first time most of us in chat were seeing it. What the game shows is Micaiah seemingly just accepting a request to fight a war while the King stands next to his mother, who is ridiculing her, saying "yes mommy". Sothe then acts as the audience stand in saying "What are you DOING Micaiah?", to which she responds "It's what the king wants. No, I didn't ask why. He seems sad." and follows it with the quote "The soldiers are excited about hunting down laguz." HUNTING DOWN. We as an audience supposed to accept this decision without question? You cant deny within this moment as presented it seems out of character for the first time casual observer. And in the case of Zelgius, I believe he is used to make Micaiah seem even worse. Before this scene, He is also commanded to slaughter as many laguz as he can, but he goes against those orders by ending the battle quickly with minimal casualties and trys to force a peace treaty before the senate can react. Then we see Micaiah's "No questions asked" scene. All this is to say, Yam says nothing wrong about the story or Micaiah as a whole and while she receives alot of undeserved hate in the general FE community, I strongly believe that at this point in the story we as an audience are supposed to be questioning Micaiah.
@@Freshmin think the difference is, Zelgius knows the Senators barring Sephiran are full of shit, while Miciah fully believes Pelleas means well Zel follows his orders but is still willing to go "screw this" because the Senate isn't the final say or all that strong, he can get away with his decisions because of Sanaki and Sephiram along with most of the Begnion army having loyalty to their general above all else The game definitely tries to paint Miciah in a bad light at first imo until all the Blood Pact stuff gets brought up
Yeah, the whole bit about Micaiah feels like that trap that happens when a character falls into certain tropes, then gets blasted when they start to show the wear and tear someone in their situation would actually show. Like, she should be critiqued and examined as a character, flaws and all (because analysis is fun), but we do need to make sure our questions don't come from our own bias of what we want the character to be in that moment.
Fates was my first Fire Emblem game, which I played in Middle School. I'm thankful it got me into the Fire Emblem series in general, but I also played it on the easiest mode/setting possible. Think I might replay it again on a harder difficulty, just to see how bad it all is instead of just depending on my nostalgia.
The day Jello realizes that he could use the game cube controller option on dolphin to play this game will be such a happy day for him. I wish there was a way I could let him know, but this stream is like 2 years old at this point 😢 so I'd just be some weirdo messaging him out of nowhere if I just hit him up on Twitter or something. The game defaults to Wii controls, but if you tell dolphin you are using a GameCube controller, the game will adjust once it recognizes GameCube inputs. Never have to deal with the double button push option again.
2:48:58 They say a lot of things in Beyblade. Who could forget the infinite amount of times Gingka yelled GOOOOOOO PEGASUS I wonder who Sanaki's favourite Metal Saga character would be. I'm betting on Yu Tendo since he's almost the same age as her.
Since you're talking about Randomizers here and I've been enjoying the Stabbiness Fram Blam Hates series on the side, have you lot ever considered making a randomizer run for Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn as well? Edit: Also after finishing the episode, I have to say this one was the funniest so fae. Thank god nobody else was in the house, otherwise I'd have gotten a lot of weird looks for my repeated screeching throughout this episode.
I dont completely agree with the "stupid juice" stuff for 3 Houses Yes, Edelgard and Dimitri very much go off the deep end if you dont side with them, Byleth is the only person that keeps those 2 mostly sane post timeskip, i will not argue against that. But I'd say Claude isnt that in any route simply beceause hes an actually stable person over the entire game unlike the other two So its MOSTLY that, but not entirely that
the problem from there is how little stake Claude actually has in the story besides using byleth as a vehicle to fulfil his motivations. Three Houses did the worldbuilding very well, which is not that common in FE... for some reason. It's story on the other hand... *sigh*
Stupid Juice maybe but that is the point of the game. The three leaders are incredibly flawed on their own and tend to descend into their delusions more. Claude's barely matters because he's mostly an outsider of the big conflict. The fact that blank faced Byleth is the one able to maintain the leader sane is indeed weird because Byleth is basically emotionally a baby. The thing could be applied to Dimitri, Edelgard and Rhea though, Claude in all routes stays outsider. That is the thing, none of the leaders is minimally stable and they need babysitting. 3H is flawed in many parts, but I don't feel this is one of them
@@battistatylerselvaggio9919 I feel Byleth being a blank slate character did hurt the narrative because it would be harder to see the connection with the 3 leaders. Either way, people like 3Hs for the setting(Hogwarts, but FE)and worldbuilding. I still prefer Tellius games' writing, which still holds up very well. It goes to show you how much FE suffered in terms of writing after these games.
I'm betting a fair amount of the hatred Micaiah gets is because she's a female protagonist. We all know what certain sections of gaming culture are like, so seeing a bunch of people complain about a female character while giving male characters a free pass for similar behaviour is despressing but not suprising.
It's less about that and more that micaihah can come off as a bit of a Mary Sue character at times and some people latch onto that to the point that other things surrounding her get blown out of proportion At least in the circles I'm in, the big complaint surrounding micaihah is that she seems too perfect
People like Zelgius but not Macaiah. I wonder what things these characters could possibly differ on… Huh, can’t think of anything right now. It’ll come to me
@@aganaom1712 I always side-eyed that complaint. It's one of those vague negatives that female characters get way more than male characters, and rarely gets explained or justified. Like Ike pulled far more ridiculous and dangerous things things than Maciah did, but I never hear him described as just being too perfect. It's also weird that one group complains about her doing bad things, and the other about her not being bad enough? Like usually people have somewhat similar complaints about characters when they're badly written.
@@Healermain15 it's something that happens with more modern female characters. Older ones have a problem with frigging But both are reflective of their respective contemporary time periods and the culture surrounding them at the time
@@purpleisdebeste Zelgius is a soldier who's life is dependent on his honor as a swordsman but also as a general. He makes it very clear that he obeys his superiors without question unless it goes against his own honor. In contrast, Micaiah has never been someone who's dependent or super loyal to authority. She lead a 5 person rebellion against begnion with the dawn brigade and defied the orders of Izuka and Pelleas during the war to save innocent lives. The game has shown that she's not above defying authority to do what's right. Yet in part 3, she seemingly goes with the idea of laguz hunts and fighting a war against a country that isn't their enemy for a country that was oppressing them not a few months ago, all because Pelleas said so. This goes against her established character, and the fact that she never entertains the idea of working with the Laguz alliance in secret after finding out about the blood pact seems very out of character. Either she really expects her war torn country barely making it through recovery to actually win against the combined forces of 2 laguz nations, Crimea and the Apostle's forces while basically being under begnions thumb for the rest of her life, or she's just fighting in hopes that a solution will just plop into her lap at some point.
Yam’s Micaiah rant reminds me of me defending Amara (AA6). I also get weirdly mad about it. Actually, the more I think about it, the more similar those situations feel? Maybe not. Idk. There’s some similarities. Mostly in that, yeah, they’re not perfect people and it seems like they have a lot of power in these situations, but really they couldn’t have done everything people think they could have. Only Ace Attorney doesn’t really even attempt to convey any of that, and Amara is a much more underdeveloped character.
When I saw Micaiah take Begnion’s side, I did think it was kind of dumb, but being reminded that 1.) she has psychic powers, and 2.) Daein just liberated itself from Begnion so it’s weird that they’re taking their side anyway, did actually make me understand. I think the reason I thought it was dumb was because the reasons she gave didn’t make much sense to me. The “I kind of have to” didn’t make sense to me because from my perspective, she doesn’t. (She could resign as general, or tell Pelleas she’ll resign if he goes through with it, or try to convince Pelleas not to, etc.) And the “I trust Pelleas” was even more infuriating to me because you obviously shouldn’t. Pelleas is both dumb and racist, things that in this situation are very much reasons not to trust him. But again, being reminded of her visions and Daein’s political position did make me understand. The reasons are probably vague and don’t make too much sense because Micaiah doesn’t really know *why* she needs to do this. Only that if she doesn’t, something bad will happen to Daein. I think the “I trust that Pelleas knows what’s best for Daein” is still a weird way to communicate this, but I think she assumes based on her visions that he also feels like he has no choice (probably being threatened by Begnion or something, especially considering he was talking to LeCain in that one scene). So yeah, I get it now. Your rant wasn’t in vain, Yam. (I’m also not done listening to it, so if this doesn’t make as much sense by the end, that’s why.)
This is Arim. He's pretty good at song improv, but he's not on his game And don't you think he oughta be? He's just A little busy right now And civ wants to encourage him But it comes out wrong and now it seems The whole voice chat is teasing them And jello says... ME WANT FIGHT. ME WANT FRIENDSHIP END TONIGHT. ME WANT CONFLICT. ME WANT ARIM SAY GOODBYE.
Hard disagree on Sacred Stones, unfortunately a lot of the really good shit is hidden behind supports. Like, lore that should be in the main story is hidden behind supports and it’s criminal. You DO get flashbacks to the twins being friends with Lyon throughout the story, at least.
I agree. I really like a lot of the story of Sacred Stones. Lyon is not simply turning evil out of nothing. I would've liked the story to be explored more at certain points, but to me it is still good within the Fire Emblem Franchise.
@@MrJojux Even if you go down the Ephraim route where Lyon’s more classically brainwashed, that didn’t happen out of nowhere either. Lyon’s an insecure trainwreck on par with Pelleas, but he got dealt a rough hand in the form of finding out about an impending disaster via the Time Shear spell, the sudden death of his beloved (if stoic) father, a crippling amount of self-loathing stemming from not being able to uphold toxic masculine standards like being physically strong and emotionally unshakable, and being unable to confide his woes to anyone, not even the twins, out of fear of being seen as even weaker than he was or even to avoid a panic. He was literally advised not to tell anyone about the impending disaster to avoid panicking people, even though he really should have. Dads die all the time in Fire Emblem and it doesn’t mean we all resort to tapping into dark forces and trying to bring them back from the dead. But it’s sure as hell understandable that he snapped under all that pressure, made a fatal mistake in a moment of human weakness, and paid for it with the destruction of his country, the razing of a continent, and the loss of his bodily autonomy and ultimately his soul. Man I just really like Lyon, he resonates with me. Lyon’s fatal flaws were his insecurity and self-loathing, in a way that has narrative weight rather than as window dressing for a character so they seem humble.
@@adrianrandom3448 That’s absolutely fair. I tend to give it more credit than it probably should get, since it does touch on the consequences of that sexism if only for a little bit. That’s why I pay attention to the flashbacks where Ephraim offers for Lyon to rule Renais and Grado together with him because Lyon could pass wise proclamations while he leads their armies. That aside, why the hell did they have to lock so much lore behind Knoll’s supports when it should’ve been front and center, like come _on_ he’s a squishy shaman with a luck stat of 0 and I already have Ewan by that point, my squisherbee keeps getting crit by everything; Duessel’s line “we are both dead men who have stayed too long away from our graves” also goes so damn hard.
I think Micaiah gets most of the hate because she's the main character (*cough* and a woman *cough*) but honestly, it's unfair to heap all that onto her. No, if you want someone to hate -- like _I_ do -- hate Pelleas. He's so ineffectual and simpering. I'm supposed to feel bad for him, but for some reason I don't. Micaiah has to suffer the consequences of his dumbass decisions, and that's not fair to her.
I will say, while I don't hate her, my own critique of Micaiah is that she (at first) acts the exact kind of stupid that Ashnard laughed at Bryce for being. Imagine if Pelleas wasn't just the absolute weeny that he is, and had ulterior and sinister motives for attacking the laguz. Micaiah would be just as culpable for suffering as The Rider of Daein in Path of Radiance. Being selfless is one thing. Being such a loyal doormat that you willingly enact genocide is another.
@@66Roses Yeah but due to her psychic intention powers she would know if Pell was was acting evilly and likely wouldn’t follow him. Although yeah, Pelleas is very hateable here
@@66Roses Yeah I would say this is where my personal critique lies as well. It's not so much I disagree with the outcome of the story, but rather that Micaiah doesn't question it when it matters. Peleas is a good person but, as Micaiah is well aware by this point, is a very poor judge of character and as such takes very bad advice from very evil people. The issue here isn't trusting Peleas is a good person, but rather failing to act as an advisor in a moment when they are making an astronomically bad decision. Setting aside the morality of the war, there are very good reasons for the country to stay out of it, all of which could have been easily argued and Micaiah even mentions and acknowledges some of them outside of the throne room. Again, I don't think the outcome was bad, but I do feel it could have worked better if Micaiah had initially questioned the decision and Peleas had to explain his reasoning. Instead we got a largely pointless dramatic reveal that Peleas had been in talks with the Senate and the war was some form of reparations between them (which again, dumb decision).
@@purpleisdebeste Sending out soldiers to partake in a racial genocide because your king is kind hearted is a very logical choice on Micaiah's end. It's not like she spent a majority of time trying to save Daein and fight back against Begnion on her own with a band of 5 people. She has every reason to stay with Pelleas because he has a good heart.
@@VexdinLord Yeah, this is still good characterization. Micaiah is a super empath, and empaths tend to be naive and Micaiah does that definition. Thankfully the other characters do help keep her in line to an extent.
Gamble can be a good skill, but it's a terrible skill for Kieran. Generally speaking, the best units to put it on are Zihark and Shinon; their naturally high Skill and use of high-accuracy weapon types helps ensure that even with a halved hit chance, they can still connect reliably.
Ok, am I really the only one likes Makalov? Even if just a little, like I do like the funny sibbling relationship he has with Marcia, and I can see how anxious Astrid, raised in a rigid and demanding noble house would admire the utter living failure, her whole life she gets told: you better excel over your peers or else... and then Makalov stumbles around and is fine, in a way it reminds me of Ferris Bueller (minus the charisma and wit) and his best friend Cameron
So uh....kinda convenient that the evil god in a necklace can be unsealed by a world war and then suddenly all 3 human lands have civil wars pop up alongside 3 of the 4 laguz tribes picking a fight with the largest of the human lands...
As for saying that nothing would happen if Zelgius defected and then got killed, I think that'd be incorrect. Alot of the army adores him, and his defection and then death would most likely make him a rallying martyr for other soldiers to defect. There are several soldiers in the Begnion army who on screen have said "Man these senators suck. But im not going to let Zelgius down!"
I 10000% agree with yams points on miciah after playing the game maybe a dozen times and seeing as much of the dialogue as i humanly can. The main problem i have with miciah in this game is that her clairvoyance telling her pellius is a good king despite literally all evidence against him. Hes a hood person but a terrible tuler and my only real problem with the story is why her clairvoyance has her believe in him when hes really better off as just a nice dude. Not a king just a dude who gets to enjoy life. I do love miciah and she never deserved the hate ive seen her get.
So are all the gift events added by the localisation teams to make the game more balanced or was it just the dawn brigade babies first legendary weapons?
I think I've got a relatively simple solution to the Micaiah problem. Remove the blood pact nonsense and have Daein be under threat of destruction from both armies conflict after the Crimean and Laguz alliance has to pass through Daein. Begnion is threatening to declare war against them if Daein does not aid them, and due to the general public they can't support the Laguz/Crimean Alliance. This way Micaiah's character doesn't do a 180 in her putting her faith in an absolutely terrible decision purely because Pelleas is not 'Evil'. And I'd say it's plenty believable given the Crimean/Laguz army wiped them out 1 on 1.
This shit right here, I’d rather they not resort to the Blood Pact at all. Begnion has the largest army on the continent, and as nice as underdog stories can be, Daein still has the civilians who were under the boot of Begnion’s occupation for 3 years to think about. And for a self-sacrificing character like Micaiah who always puts others before herself, who led a resistance movement specifically to help the civilians who were being abused by Begnion forces, that can be just as compelling as “Daein has a magical gun to its head, and if it doesn’t do what Begnion says then they’ll pull the trigger.”
Axes are best weapon in maybe all but one of the FE games. Iron, Steel, Hand-Axe are all E rank and have the highest damage output. Bows are the worst after swords for having no general 1-2 range weapons, bows only being worse because there's 0 enemy phase kills 99% of the time.
Now micaiah i know is not a bad character. She is written good. She is just not my cup of tea. The whole ordeal with the flames and reading intentions is just not working for me. I don't hate her but I'm not going to say she is close to my favorite fe character. Edit: I think I'll like her and the dawn brigade more if they had supports in the game. Micaiah does good with what they had but i think she is still alright.
I think another reason that people are way more forgiving of characters like Zelgius than Micaiah is because fandom doesn't like to acknowledge this, but fandom in general will latch on to and defend a brooding white guy ahead of any other type of character; if Zelgius was a PoC or a woman, they'd get a lot more shit and Micaiah would get a lot less if she was a white dude, because people do not want to confront their internalised bigotry and will go to obscene lengths to avoid doing so
22:00 -ish : i feel like the zelgius comparison really doesnt work here because as arim stated, we havent seen much of zelgius / hes kind of an npc. The audience doesn't have a lot of expectations from him as we don't know him enough to have any (as opposed to micaiah). We know hes a general, we know/assume he has good-ish morals as he didnt want to lead his men into the lava caves for a pointless death - and not much else. Not once in the duology have we seen him enforce his morals in any way - again we can assume hes good-ish but weve seen what, 5 cutscenes collectively with him? Micaiah on the other hand we've seen plenty of (if a bit too little so far for her being the "mc" of radiant dawn) and we know her moral standings. We know shes kind, we know she's compassionate, we know shes loyal, we know shes good - so her just bowing her head as her king commands her to slaughter innocents ticks A LOT of people off and i feel like making the gender argument in any way here feels a little bit lazy. That being said i agree with yam that yes, this does make sense for her character. While the game has shown shes kind and everything ive listed, its also shown and continues showing that shes very trusting and loyal to a fault. Shes trusting because shes got heebeejeebee clairvoyance powers or wtv that havent led her astray before - so she trusts in pelleas' decisions, even if she may not agree with them completely. It makes sense for her to do this but I'd also say its a justified reason for people to dislike her a bit
Zelgius is also shown to be doing something to lessen the problems, and being aware of the problems and having a solution (get Sanaki back) that someone else is presumably working. Micaiah, as understandable as her actions are from the writing, is still going along with the genocide plan to support people who are eager to go commit genocide. And as much as she trusts her king, that king is demonstrably terrible at his job and has basicly zero ability to make good decisions. Micaiah is well written, but that does not mean she is not making fucking terrible (both in practical and moral sense) decisions. And people get upset with that.
While I understand Yam's points- particularly her selflessness and empathetic ability- my problem with Micaiah is that all of the questionable things she's doing are for people and a country that are racist and close minded... While people don't know she's Branded, Laguz explicitly helped Daien in its liberation from Begnion, and yet common soldiers in some cutscenes are explicitly excited about murdering Laguz. The people of Daien have had the opportunity to be better but don't. I know the common man may not have the experiences to come into contact with the Laguz that helped, but the king did.. the general of their army did. They have the social reach to help make social change but don't. That's my problem. Do random citizens of Daien deserve to have what would happen to them due to spoiler reasons? No. Does their racist disposition make them less sympathetic to me as the player and by extent the motivations of Pelleas and Micaiah less tolerable? Yes. As far as Zelgius' characterization in the same situation, well, spoilers reasons explain why he wouldn't defect. The conflict is necessary.
I will say that she's not a Mary Sue character though. She's not overpowered (mages are fragile and slow), people call her out (including Sothe), and the story doesn't revolve around her.
She's a balanced character in all other aspects just like most FE main characters are. It's just her support for Daien that makes me dislike her. I wish that Daien had undergone more social change the in three year time skip and during its liberation. If the citizens of Daien deserve sympathy, Micaiah would be much better character imo. I was so happy to have a mage as the MC the first time I played this game and still am.
Idk if people hating on micaihah for her decisions is about her narrative motivations for doing so more than people just thinking shes a bit of a mary sue character and stupidly attaching all of the decisions she makes to "she's the hero, therefore her decisions and judgement are never incorrect" I dont dislike micaihah personally for the record but i can see where some people come from when they say she's too perfect
I’m with you, Micaiah’s just kinda middle of the road to me and I think it’s more of a “motivation for doing so” situation. Even when Sothe would press her for an answer and Micaiah would say she felt she had no choice, it kinda felt like seeing the invisible hand of the author pushing the old Tellius protag (Ike) and the new Tellius protag (Micaiah) to duke it out even though they’re both arguably on the same page. Like… you could totally spin a few chapters out of Micaiah leaving the Daein army and searching for a way to help Pelleas and deal with the fallout of that, get that Ludveck-copy’s coup-a-loopie. I felt like Micaiah wouldn’t resign herself to that role so easily, especially if she REALLY didn’t want to do it. For all of her self-sacrifice, she’s pretty dang spirited. It very much reminds me of the whole Snake vs Raiden thing, and it took two later appearances and a boatload of time for people to finally come around to liking Raiden as a character… or at least admitting they liked him out loud.
I don’t really understand why people would think she’s “too perfect”. The story goes out of its way to show the opposite! People die unnecessarily because of her actions. When figureheads in real life make bad decisions, their fanatics still follow them. And so I don’t get the complaints.
To me Macaiah is less a Mary Sue and more a display of how paragon heroes can still be flawed. She’s so self-sacrificial, such a jay-girl, that she ends up causing problems on purpose. Saying she’s “never incorrect” is definitely untrue, she’s just not bad enough to justify how viciously people turn on her
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I love the idea of Mordecai playing with the village kids, and in my head it's more like... He's doing whatever work, and they're just climbing him like a jungle gym.
Oh my gosh YES
I deeply appreciate Yam’s righteous anger and defense of Micaiah. And also 100% agree.
Micaiah really does not deserve all the hate she gets
I think the contrivance of the Blood Pact really hurts the story of part 3 and makes Micaiah joining the war seem like a fault on her part. Really the writers should have come up with a better reason for Daein to get involved besides sudden magical blackmail.
I just feel like the vast majority of Beorc on the continent will turn on the Lagush at the drop of the hat. We have like a few named characters who are the exception and don't hate OR fear the Lagush but everyone else is just waiting for a chance to go on a genocide.
I just don’t like her as a character and will be as verbal as i wish about that fact without trashing on other others’ tastes
@@Asko83 That seems like a way better motivation for the Daein side of this conflict. 99% of that country is raging laguz racists and they need magical black mail to be convinced to eradicate Laguz?
@@scrapox217 and you honestly think the Daein people want to side with Begnion? They wouldn't side with their oppressors immediately after liberation AND they would never have been liberated if not for the blood pact. Begnion had no reason to let go without the pact, and Daein had no reason to side with them without it. It's literally the only way to get Daein into the war lol
Yams rant at the start made me feel like my teacher was telling me off for something, every time she said "Right?!" gave me chills
Gave me flashbacks to highschool when the teacher was mad but I did nothing wrong and had to sit there watching her yell at everyone
@@GreatSkyWhale exactly, the worse feeling imaginable
Ok but the idea of sanaki and ike bonding over beyblades is so cute
The Paradox of Makalov: We all want him to die but if he dies bad things will stop happening to him.
I think what the whole Micaiah rant boils down to is basically
"Is this a bad decision to make?" Yes
"Is it in character for Micaiah to make this decision?" Also Yes
there's a difference between a character making a poor decision because it's who they are and making a bad decision because the writer needs them to be stupid for a scene or three
I think it would be in character of Micaiah knew about the blood pact right from the beginning. I think it's out of character for her to trust Pelleas so much that she's willing to get involved in a massive war that will only bring more problems to Daein without at least some kind of explanation on why. She's clearly willing to go against orders to do what's right, so she's not loyal to pelleas to a fault like Zelgius is loyal to begnion. That's the main differnce.
@@VexdinLord I'm not so sure about that. Even at the best of times Micaiah's divination is pretty vague, and the game establishes that her powers aren't working properly at this point (later revealed to be through exhaustion), so I doubt that she'd know about the blood pact, especially since she didn't know what they were before Pelleas explained it to her. So at best I'd say she'd be able to determine that Pelleas is being manipulated against his will, and figure out that it's the Begnion Senate doing so. All that'd change really is that if Micaiah told that revelation to Sothe (which she probably would) he'd confront Pelleas about the Blood Pact earlier and slightly expedite the process.
And her loyalty is more so towards Daein as a country and her people, and their point about how if Micaiah deserts the entire country would fall apart, unlike Zelgius whom Begnion would just replace with a puppet general loyal to the Senate.
@@midnight_gmr8562 I didn't mean for her powers to tell her about the Blood pact, I'm saying Micaiah should have made Pelleas tell her about the blood pact. I know that Micaiah leaving would basically cause Pelleas's reign to end there, so I don't think she would leave. But I don't accept Micaiah would just accept an answer of, "just trust me, going to war on the side of the people who oppressed us against a nation we have very little beef with while we're barely holding ourselves together is a good idea." We see later on the once Micaiah knows, she's much more willing to go along with the plan until they find some solution, which can be in character since now Micaiah knows Daein will suffer if they refuse. Before that, she's basically condemning Daein to suffer without knowing why, which I feel is out of character for her.
@@VexdinLord The best explanation I can get from what the game gives is that Miccy's powers still tell her that Pelleas is a good dude and sincere, so even though she doesn't know about the blood pact she figures there must be some good reason for Pelleas to tell her to do these things. I think Micaiah also figures that... if she displayed any kind of protest or resistance against the war, it would be interpreted by everyone as delegitimizing Pelleas's rule and it would turn into a coup by the army/people of Daein regardless of her wishes.
@@marinary1326 She's close enough to Pelleas to get a private audience, I feel like she could have asked him for a reason when nobody else was looking if she was that concerned.
It took Yam's Micaiah rant to figure out that Micaiah has an abusive realtionship with the entire country of Daein. Just all the reasons she is loyal to Daein feel like what happens when you are around a narcissist.
You're not wrong. This is one of her character flaws.
Their *sttk* stabbing improv bits just makes me imagine the person dead on the ground and flailing like a fish out of water every time they make a noise, I love it.
The constant me want bite improvisations had be rolling. Its such a simple bit but it felt so fun cause its absolutely the same kind of joke me and my own friends would keep running with ourselves, so listening to this felt like hanging out with my own bros.
I was trying to make sure I knew which VOD started this bit. Here’s hoping it’s this VOD.
Ike: "When this is all over, you'll be getting one heck of a bill."
Sanaki: "What would you like as a reward."
Ike: "I want Zelgius."
Soren: "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"
Peleas wouldn't even have the same level of respect that Elincia had, because at least Elincia picked up a sword and stabbed some people. Peleas just sat back and gave bad orders.
Anyone else just loves Sanaki’s giant bow she has on her dress?
1:09:00 hey you made me like makalov purely by the JFK voice, this is your fault
It actually makes way less sense for Zelgius to not turn traitor. Valtome's threat to kill him is so empty because who in Begnion could actually do the deed? Meanwhile Micahia has been running her whole life, and finally found a place where she is accepted and wanted and she's going to fight for that.
I agree but you gotta stop using double negatives man. Had to reread your comment like 4 times to understand it… or maybe I’m just stupid who knows.
While it makes a lot of logical sense, it has been established that Zelgius is a soldier first and a person second. He will obey the command of a superior officer, no matter how ill-advised. It’s a character flaw! Sometimes people make the objectively wrong decisions!
Begnion does have quite a few mages they could probably kill him with, notably the senators, but the amount of times Valtome follows him into the woods or the like all alone, he could easily ambush him and blame it on a Laguz. Pick off the senators one by one, no one will suspect anything until the 4th one, and Zelgius absolutely has public approval behind him
@@cupcakewithatophat1131 I apologize if my writing style isn't the best. ^^;
Honestly I've always felt Micaiah was the bright spot in the otherwise weakly written part 3. Her character actually has an interesting conflict, with her being forced to compromise her morals to protect Daein in a war she doesn't believe in and knows she doesn't have a chance of winning.
I love Ike, but basically all of his character development happens in Path of Radiance. Here he's just Badass Hero Leader Guy, which is unfortunate but understandable as an awkward result of the story being split between two games. The Begnion civil war happens mostly offscreen and the ultimate reveal of how Lekain is controlling Pelleas feels underdeveloped and contrived. Micaiah is really the one thing I can point to and say was done right.
Yam was the gamer girl who broke my preconceptions and framework of games as only really a guys favorite thing
I also appreciate how she breaks down both games and dynamics/context o the game and situations that the gang gets into or covers
I think it would have been really funny if any coins on makalov have a chance to disappear because he gambled it and lost
We need a full laguz cover of the me want bite songs
Best joke of every character
*Ranulf:* Aggressively eats Satori Sign 1:45:47
*Lethe:* Me want bite 2:19:29
*Giffica:* squeaky voice 1:44:08
*Tanith:* “Thank you, Tanith” “I’m Sigrun” 2:40:09
*Sanaki:* Beyblade 2:47:24
*Geoffrey:* The Hollow Knight™ that contains Makalov 1:28:44
*Skrimir:* Is that Suzan?! 1:38:51/1:42:26/1:51:22
*Levail:* Picnic with Zelgius 2:03:20
*Valtome:* Egg timer nose 1:32:03
Oh my lord, hearing someone else give voice to the indignant rage I've held in my chest for like a decade about the fanbase's treatment of Micaiah might be the biggest bump of catharsis I've ever felt in one go.
Don’t we love “my thing good, your thing bad” arguments that comprise the internet?
I mean, i’m not a fan of Miciah but we can all have different tastes without getting grumpy and vitriolic
@@PrimordialChaos-ll7osAnd Micaiah, with her role, comparison with other characters and all, is naturally not a character people will agree on. Heck, I've browsed the internet recently for RD content and there's quite a bit of Micaiah fans who didn't like her at first, but loved her later on.
@@BloomBox36 fair enough, i haven’t finished the game yet so I probably shouldn’t judge too early lol
@@PrimordialChaos-ll7os so you've gotten through this part of the playthrough just now?
@@BloomBox36 yeah pretty much!
thank you based aloha for saving these parts so I can finally watch them since they aren't on twitch
"Egg boy!"
little did Siv at this time know... little did they know! Ok maybe Oz did know. It just sounds funny out of context years later.
Contractually obligated Lava Map
I honestly think the hate for Micaiah stems from just one minor thing: she isn't allowed to respond to Pelleas, at all. "Go fight the subhumans" is used as a shock stinger, and in the very next scene, Sothe is like "You didn't even ASK him why he's doing this?!" The pacing makes it seem as if she never considered for a moment any alternative options, just plugged her ears and followed orders like the dumbest Camus.
This is exactly it and I don't see anyone else saying it. It's hard to rewatch this episode because I feel like the chat, who is experiencing this game for the first time, is being reprimanded for having the exact reaction the narrative seems to want to elicit at the time. Jello and Yam obviously have a very deep understanding and appreciation for Micaiah, which is great and makes for amazing acting to view but they have experienced this story many times each. Again this is the first time most of us in chat were seeing it. What the game shows is Micaiah seemingly just accepting a request to fight a war while the King stands next to his mother, who is ridiculing her, saying "yes mommy". Sothe then acts as the audience stand in saying "What are you DOING Micaiah?", to which she responds "It's what the king wants. No, I didn't ask why. He seems sad." and follows it with the quote "The soldiers are excited about hunting down laguz." HUNTING DOWN. We as an audience supposed to accept this decision without question? You cant deny within this moment as presented it seems out of character for the first time casual observer. And in the case of Zelgius, I believe he is used to make Micaiah seem even worse. Before this scene, He is also commanded to slaughter as many laguz as he can, but he goes against those orders by ending the battle quickly with minimal casualties and trys to force a peace treaty before the senate can react. Then we see Micaiah's "No questions asked" scene. All this is to say, Yam says nothing wrong about the story or Micaiah as a whole and while she receives alot of undeserved hate in the general FE community, I strongly believe that at this point in the story we as an audience are supposed to be questioning Micaiah.
@@Freshmin think the difference is, Zelgius knows the Senators barring Sephiran are full of shit, while Miciah fully believes Pelleas means well
Zel follows his orders but is still willing to go "screw this" because the Senate isn't the final say or all that strong, he can get away with his decisions because of Sanaki and Sephiram along with most of the Begnion army having loyalty to their general above all else
The game definitely tries to paint Miciah in a bad light at first imo until all the Blood Pact stuff gets brought up
Yeah, the whole bit about Micaiah feels like that trap that happens when a character falls into certain tropes, then gets blasted when they start to show the wear and tear someone in their situation would actually show. Like, she should be critiqued and examined as a character, flaws and all (because analysis is fun), but we do need to make sure our questions don't come from our own bias of what we want the character to be in that moment.
Fates was my first Fire Emblem game, which I played in Middle School. I'm thankful it got me into the Fire Emblem series in general, but I also played it on the easiest mode/setting possible. Think I might replay it again on a harder difficulty, just to see how bad it all is instead of just depending on my nostalgia.
The day Jello realizes that he could use the game cube controller option on dolphin to play this game will be such a happy day for him. I wish there was a way I could let him know, but this stream is like 2 years old at this point 😢 so I'd just be some weirdo messaging him out of nowhere if I just hit him up on Twitter or something.
The game defaults to Wii controls, but if you tell dolphin you are using a GameCube controller, the game will adjust once it recognizes GameCube inputs.
Never have to deal with the double button push option again.
All this makalov hatred is better then Marcia's insults for him edit grammar fix
2:48:58 They say a lot of things in Beyblade. Who could forget the infinite amount of times Gingka yelled GOOOOOOO PEGASUS
I wonder who Sanaki's favourite Metal Saga character would be. I'm betting on Yu Tendo since he's almost the same age as her.
1:18:29
ITS FINALLY HERE!! PERFORMING FOR YOU!!
the simultaneous "WHAT THE FUCK?" that came from this was amazing
Since you're talking about Randomizers here and I've been enjoying the Stabbiness Fram Blam Hates series on the side, have you lot ever considered making a randomizer run for Path of Radiance or Radiant Dawn as well?
Edit: Also after finishing the episode, I have to say this one was the funniest so fae. Thank god nobody else was in the house, otherwise I'd have gotten a lot of weird looks for my repeated screeching throughout this episode.
I asked in a livestream he does not plan to do another livestream/lets play of fire emblem I do think this also applies to randomizers
@@GwainSagaFanChannel Hm, then I Wonder If they May do so on Stabbiness at some point
2:19:20 Cats 2: the Bitening
I so wanted Makalov to survive fighting the boss, just to spite Jello
Stahl is like Dollar General Oscar.
I dont completely agree with the "stupid juice" stuff for 3 Houses
Yes, Edelgard and Dimitri very much go off the deep end if you dont side with them, Byleth is the only person that keeps those 2 mostly sane post timeskip, i will not argue against that. But I'd say Claude isnt that in any route simply beceause hes an actually stable person over the entire game unlike the other two
So its MOSTLY that, but not entirely that
the problem from there is how little stake Claude actually has in the story besides using byleth as a vehicle to fulfil his motivations.
Three Houses did the worldbuilding very well, which is not that common in FE... for some reason. It's story on the other hand... *sigh*
Claude also has the most stable country for the most part so I think that also kept him sane
Yes but also Claude barely exists in the other routes
Stupid Juice maybe but that is the point of the game.
The three leaders are incredibly flawed on their own and tend to descend into their delusions more.
Claude's barely matters because he's mostly an outsider of the big conflict. The fact that blank faced Byleth is the one able to maintain the leader sane is indeed weird because Byleth is basically emotionally a baby.
The thing could be applied to Dimitri, Edelgard and Rhea though, Claude in all routes stays outsider.
That is the thing, none of the leaders is minimally stable and they need babysitting.
3H is flawed in many parts, but I don't feel this is one of them
@@battistatylerselvaggio9919 I feel Byleth being a blank slate character did hurt the narrative because it would be harder to see the connection with the 3 leaders. Either way, people like 3Hs for the setting(Hogwarts, but FE)and worldbuilding. I still prefer Tellius games' writing, which still holds up very well. It goes to show you how much FE suffered in terms of writing after these games.
I'm betting a fair amount of the hatred Micaiah gets is because she's a female protagonist.
We all know what certain sections of gaming culture are like, so seeing a bunch of people complain about a female character while giving male characters a free pass for similar behaviour is despressing but not suprising.
It's less about that and more that micaihah can come off as a bit of a Mary Sue character at times and some people latch onto that to the point that other things surrounding her get blown out of proportion
At least in the circles I'm in, the big complaint surrounding micaihah is that she seems too perfect
People like Zelgius but not Macaiah. I wonder what things these characters could possibly differ on…
Huh, can’t think of anything right now. It’ll come to me
@@aganaom1712 I always side-eyed that complaint. It's one of those vague negatives that female characters get way more than male characters, and rarely gets explained or justified.
Like Ike pulled far more ridiculous and dangerous things things than Maciah did, but I never hear him described as just being too perfect.
It's also weird that one group complains about her doing bad things, and the other about her not being bad enough? Like usually people have somewhat similar complaints about characters when they're badly written.
@@Healermain15 it's something that happens with more modern female characters.
Older ones have a problem with frigging
But both are reflective of their respective contemporary time periods and the culture surrounding them at the time
@@purpleisdebeste Zelgius is a soldier who's life is dependent on his honor as a swordsman but also as a general. He makes it very clear that he obeys his superiors without question unless it goes against his own honor.
In contrast, Micaiah has never been someone who's dependent or super loyal to authority. She lead a 5 person rebellion against begnion with the dawn brigade and defied the orders of Izuka and Pelleas during the war to save innocent lives. The game has shown that she's not above defying authority to do what's right. Yet in part 3, she seemingly goes with the idea of laguz hunts and fighting a war against a country that isn't their enemy for a country that was oppressing them not a few months ago, all because Pelleas said so. This goes against her established character, and the fact that she never entertains the idea of working with the Laguz alliance in secret after finding out about the blood pact seems very out of character. Either she really expects her war torn country barely making it through recovery to actually win against the combined forces of 2 laguz nations, Crimea and the Apostle's forces while basically being under begnions thumb for the rest of her life, or she's just fighting in hopes that a solution will just plop into her lap at some point.
2:37:30 best part for zelgius man.
Peak Zelguis
2:18:35 for the “Me Want Bite” stuff.
Took me too long to figure this out.
Yam’s Micaiah rant reminds me of me defending Amara (AA6). I also get weirdly mad about it.
Actually, the more I think about it, the more similar those situations feel? Maybe not. Idk. There’s some similarities. Mostly in that, yeah, they’re not perfect people and it seems like they have a lot of power in these situations, but really they couldn’t have done everything people think they could have.
Only Ace Attorney doesn’t really even attempt to convey any of that, and Amara is a much more underdeveloped character.
Me want kill.
Me want beorc blood to spill.
Me enjoy carnage thrill.
- Lethe or Skrimir, maybe both
When I saw Micaiah take Begnion’s side, I did think it was kind of dumb, but being reminded that 1.) she has psychic powers, and 2.) Daein just liberated itself from Begnion so it’s weird that they’re taking their side anyway, did actually make me understand.
I think the reason I thought it was dumb was because the reasons she gave didn’t make much sense to me. The “I kind of have to” didn’t make sense to me because from my perspective, she doesn’t. (She could resign as general, or tell Pelleas she’ll resign if he goes through with it, or try to convince Pelleas not to, etc.) And the “I trust Pelleas” was even more infuriating to me because you obviously shouldn’t. Pelleas is both dumb and racist, things that in this situation are very much reasons not to trust him.
But again, being reminded of her visions and Daein’s political position did make me understand. The reasons are probably vague and don’t make too much sense because Micaiah doesn’t really know *why* she needs to do this. Only that if she doesn’t, something bad will happen to Daein. I think the “I trust that Pelleas knows what’s best for Daein” is still a weird way to communicate this, but I think she assumes based on her visions that he also feels like he has no choice (probably being threatened by Begnion or something, especially considering he was talking to LeCain in that one scene). So yeah, I get it now. Your rant wasn’t in vain, Yam. (I’m also not done listening to it, so if this doesn’t make as much sense by the end, that’s why.)
This is Arim.
He's pretty good at song improv,
but he's not on his game
And don't you think he oughta be? He's just
A little busy right now
And civ wants to encourage him
But it comes out wrong and now it seems
The whole voice chat is teasing them
And jello says...
ME WANT FIGHT.
ME WANT FRIENDSHIP END TONIGHT.
ME WANT CONFLICT.
ME WANT ARIM SAY GOODBYE.
First, it’s actually Siv not Civ, and he goes by Oz now, just FYI.
Here comes another HC, after he gets the beyblade, Ike and Sigrun immediately have a beyblade fight and have that conversation. Sigrun wins.
Yall talkin about Sacred Stones, while I'm playing Sacred stones on Erika's route... Looking at a Lyon flashback. It's fiiiiinnnne.
2:23:17 I will always find Arim screaming very funny
Hard disagree on Sacred Stones, unfortunately a lot of the really good shit is hidden behind supports. Like, lore that should be in the main story is hidden behind supports and it’s criminal. You DO get flashbacks to the twins being friends with Lyon throughout the story, at least.
I agree. I really like a lot of the story of Sacred Stones. Lyon is not simply turning evil out of nothing. I would've liked the story to be explored more at certain points, but to me it is still good within the Fire Emblem Franchise.
@@MrJojux Even if you go down the Ephraim route where Lyon’s more classically brainwashed, that didn’t happen out of nowhere either. Lyon’s an insecure trainwreck on par with Pelleas, but he got dealt a rough hand in the form of finding out about an impending disaster via the Time Shear spell, the sudden death of his beloved (if stoic) father, a crippling amount of self-loathing stemming from not being able to uphold toxic masculine standards like being physically strong and emotionally unshakable, and being unable to confide his woes to anyone, not even the twins, out of fear of being seen as even weaker than he was or even to avoid a panic. He was literally advised not to tell anyone about the impending disaster to avoid panicking people, even though he really should have.
Dads die all the time in Fire Emblem and it doesn’t mean we all resort to tapping into dark forces and trying to bring them back from the dead. But it’s sure as hell understandable that he snapped under all that pressure, made a fatal mistake in a moment of human weakness, and paid for it with the destruction of his country, the razing of a continent, and the loss of his bodily autonomy and ultimately his soul.
Man I just really like Lyon, he resonates with me. Lyon’s fatal flaws were his insecurity and self-loathing, in a way that has narrative weight rather than as window dressing for a character so they seem humble.
@@adrianrandom3448 That’s absolutely fair. I tend to give it more credit than it probably should get, since it does touch on the consequences of that sexism if only for a little bit. That’s why I pay attention to the flashbacks where Ephraim offers for Lyon to rule Renais and Grado together with him because Lyon could pass wise proclamations while he leads their armies.
That aside, why the hell did they have to lock so much lore behind Knoll’s supports when it should’ve been front and center, like come _on_ he’s a squishy shaman with a luck stat of 0 and I already have Ewan by that point, my squisherbee keeps getting crit by everything; Duessel’s line “we are both dead men who have stayed too long away from our graves” also goes so damn hard.
and they're not edible, just really good for pounding
I think Micaiah gets most of the hate because she's the main character (*cough* and a woman *cough*) but honestly, it's unfair to heap all that onto her. No, if you want someone to hate -- like _I_ do -- hate Pelleas. He's so ineffectual and simpering. I'm supposed to feel bad for him, but for some reason I don't. Micaiah has to suffer the consequences of his dumbass decisions, and that's not fair to her.
I will say, while I don't hate her, my own critique of Micaiah is that she (at first) acts the exact kind of stupid that Ashnard laughed at Bryce for being. Imagine if Pelleas wasn't just the absolute weeny that he is, and had ulterior and sinister motives for attacking the laguz. Micaiah would be just as culpable for suffering as The Rider of Daein in Path of Radiance. Being selfless is one thing. Being such a loyal doormat that you willingly enact genocide is another.
@@66Roses Yeah but due to her psychic intention powers she would know if Pell was was acting evilly and likely wouldn’t follow him. Although yeah, Pelleas is very hateable here
@@66Roses Yeah I would say this is where my personal critique lies as well. It's not so much I disagree with the outcome of the story, but rather that Micaiah doesn't question it when it matters. Peleas is a good person but, as Micaiah is well aware by this point, is a very poor judge of character and as such takes very bad advice from very evil people. The issue here isn't trusting Peleas is a good person, but rather failing to act as an advisor in a moment when they are making an astronomically bad decision. Setting aside the morality of the war, there are very good reasons for the country to stay out of it, all of which could have been easily argued and Micaiah even mentions and acknowledges some of them outside of the throne room. Again, I don't think the outcome was bad, but I do feel it could have worked better if Micaiah had initially questioned the decision and Peleas had to explain his reasoning. Instead we got a largely pointless dramatic reveal that Peleas had been in talks with the Senate and the war was some form of reparations between them (which again, dumb decision).
@@purpleisdebeste Sending out soldiers to partake in a racial genocide because your king is kind hearted is a very logical choice on Micaiah's end. It's not like she spent a majority of time trying to save Daein and fight back against Begnion on her own with a band of 5 people. She has every reason to stay with Pelleas because he has a good heart.
@@VexdinLord Yeah, this is still good characterization. Micaiah is a super empath, and empaths tend to be naive and Micaiah does that definition. Thankfully the other characters do help keep her in line to an extent.
Gamble can be a good skill, but it's a terrible skill for Kieran. Generally speaking, the best units to put it on are Zihark and Shinon; their naturally high Skill and use of high-accuracy weapon types helps ensure that even with a halved hit chance, they can still connect reliably.
Ok, am I really the only one likes Makalov? Even if just a little, like I do like the funny sibbling relationship he has with Marcia, and I can see how anxious Astrid, raised in a rigid and demanding noble house would admire the utter living failure, her whole life she gets told: you better excel over your peers or else... and then Makalov stumbles around and is fine, in a way it reminds me of Ferris Bueller (minus the charisma and wit) and his best friend Cameron
So uh....kinda convenient that the evil god in a necklace can be unsealed by a world war and then suddenly all 3 human lands have civil wars pop up alongside 3 of the 4 laguz tribes picking a fight with the largest of the human lands...
I wonder if there's been someone masterminding events to make it happen
As for saying that nothing would happen if Zelgius defected and then got killed, I think that'd be incorrect. Alot of the army adores him, and his defection and then death would most likely make him a rallying martyr for other soldiers to defect. There are several soldiers in the Begnion army who on screen have said "Man these senators suck. But im not going to let Zelgius down!"
I 10000% agree with yams points on miciah after playing the game maybe a dozen times and seeing as much of the dialogue as i humanly can. The main problem i have with miciah in this game is that her clairvoyance telling her pellius is a good king despite literally all evidence against him. Hes a hood person but a terrible tuler and my only real problem with the story is why her clairvoyance has her believe in him when hes really better off as just a nice dude. Not a king just a dude who gets to enjoy life. I do love miciah and she never deserved the hate ive seen her get.
So are all the gift events added by the localisation teams to make the game more balanced or was it just the dawn brigade babies first legendary weapons?
just the legendary weapons
@@Greener221 If "prfs" refers to the three legendary weapons, then yes those are localised version exclusive.
2:48:11 I’m sorry- run that by me again- _naked gun movies????_
I think I've got a relatively simple solution to the Micaiah problem. Remove the blood pact nonsense and have Daein be under threat of destruction from both armies conflict after the Crimean and Laguz alliance has to pass through Daein. Begnion is threatening to declare war against them if Daein does not aid them, and due to the general public they can't support the Laguz/Crimean Alliance. This way Micaiah's character doesn't do a 180 in her putting her faith in an absolutely terrible decision purely because Pelleas is not 'Evil'. And I'd say it's plenty believable given the Crimean/Laguz army wiped them out 1 on 1.
This shit right here, I’d rather they not resort to the Blood Pact at all. Begnion has the largest army on the continent, and as nice as underdog stories can be, Daein still has the civilians who were under the boot of Begnion’s occupation for 3 years to think about. And for a self-sacrificing character like Micaiah who always puts others before herself, who led a resistance movement specifically to help the civilians who were being abused by Begnion forces, that can be just as compelling as “Daein has a magical gun to its head, and if it doesn’t do what Begnion says then they’ll pull the trigger.”
We need will to do this is lava as caneighis
Unfortunately i'm at least 70% sure his body _could_ extinguish it
@@bentonic4998 so what you’re saying is he might be able to bite
Everyone gets so heated about why Daein is joining Begnion like it's bad writing.
My guy, *they explain why in a few chapters, just play the game*.
Axes are best weapon in maybe all but one of the FE games. Iron, Steel, Hand-Axe are all E rank and have the highest damage output. Bows are the worst after swords for having no general 1-2 range weapons, bows only being worse because there's 0 enemy phase kills 99% of the time.
To be fair, their lower hit rate makes them a bit of a gamble, especially since most fighters don't have good avoid or defense in most FE games.
Wait, what happened two months before the og stream?
Not sure for certain, but I think January 6th
Probably too late to tell him that this is a gamecube controller compatible game...
Now micaiah i know is not a bad character. She is written good. She is just not my cup of tea. The whole ordeal with the flames and reading intentions is just not working for me. I don't hate her but I'm not going to say she is close to my favorite fe character.
Edit: I think I'll like her and the dawn brigade more if they had supports in the game. Micaiah does good with what they had but i think she is still alright.
How do you spell syv's twitch stream?
www.twitch.tv/spectralfusion I think this is what you are looking for! Also they go by Oz now o7 ~Aloha
I think another reason that people are way more forgiving of characters like Zelgius than Micaiah is because fandom doesn't like to acknowledge this, but fandom in general will latch on to and defend a brooding white guy ahead of any other type of character; if Zelgius was a PoC or a woman, they'd get a lot more shit and Micaiah would get a lot less if she was a white dude, because people do not want to confront their internalised bigotry and will go to obscene lengths to avoid doing so
2:19:21 ME WANT BITE
22:00 -ish : i feel like the zelgius comparison really doesnt work here because as arim stated, we havent seen much of zelgius / hes kind of an npc. The audience doesn't have a lot of expectations from him as we don't know him enough to have any (as opposed to micaiah). We know hes a general, we know/assume he has good-ish morals as he didnt want to lead his men into the lava caves for a pointless death - and not much else. Not once in the duology have we seen him enforce his morals in any way - again we can assume hes good-ish but weve seen what, 5 cutscenes collectively with him?
Micaiah on the other hand we've seen plenty of (if a bit too little so far for her being the "mc" of radiant dawn) and we know her moral standings. We know shes kind, we know she's compassionate, we know shes loyal, we know shes good - so her just bowing her head as her king commands her to slaughter innocents ticks A LOT of people off and i feel like making the gender argument in any way here feels a little bit lazy.
That being said i agree with yam that yes, this does make sense for her character. While the game has shown shes kind and everything ive listed, its also shown and continues showing that shes very trusting and loyal to a fault. Shes trusting because shes got heebeejeebee clairvoyance powers or wtv that havent led her astray before - so she trusts in pelleas' decisions, even if she may not agree with them completely.
It makes sense for her to do this but I'd also say its a justified reason for people to dislike her a bit
Zelgius is also shown to be doing something to lessen the problems, and being aware of the problems and having a solution (get Sanaki back) that someone else is presumably working.
Micaiah, as understandable as her actions are from the writing, is still going along with the genocide plan to support people who are eager to go commit genocide.
And as much as she trusts her king, that king is demonstrably terrible at his job and has basicly zero ability to make good decisions.
Micaiah is well written, but that does not mean she is not making fucking terrible (both in practical and moral sense) decisions. And people get upset with that.
Where can I see that fates playthrough? sounds like fun
Makalov is the worst, but episodes with him in it are the best lmao
While I understand Yam's points- particularly her selflessness and empathetic ability- my problem with Micaiah is that all of the questionable things she's doing are for people and a country that are racist and close minded... While people don't know she's Branded, Laguz explicitly helped Daien in its liberation from Begnion, and yet common soldiers in some cutscenes are explicitly excited about murdering Laguz. The people of Daien have had the opportunity to be better but don't. I know the common man may not have the experiences to come into contact with the Laguz that helped, but the king did.. the general of their army did. They have the social reach to help make social change but don't. That's my problem. Do random citizens of Daien deserve to have what would happen to them due to spoiler reasons? No. Does their racist disposition make them less sympathetic to me as the player and by extent the motivations of Pelleas and Micaiah less tolerable? Yes. As far as Zelgius' characterization in the same situation, well, spoilers reasons explain why he wouldn't defect. The conflict is necessary.
I will say that she's not a Mary Sue character though. She's not overpowered (mages are fragile and slow), people call her out (including Sothe), and the story doesn't revolve around her.
She's a balanced character in all other aspects just like most FE main characters are. It's just her support for Daien that makes me dislike her. I wish that Daien had undergone more social change the in three year time skip and during its liberation. If the citizens of Daien deserve sympathy, Micaiah would be much better character imo. I was so happy to have a mage as the MC the first time I played this game and still am.
Also, I feel like I should point out that I don't like Zelgius either.
Idk if people hating on micaihah for her decisions is about her narrative motivations for doing so more than people just thinking shes a bit of a mary sue character and stupidly attaching all of the decisions she makes to "she's the hero, therefore her decisions and judgement are never incorrect"
I dont dislike micaihah personally for the record but i can see where some people come from when they say she's too perfect
I’m with you, Micaiah’s just kinda middle of the road to me and I think it’s more of a “motivation for doing so” situation. Even when Sothe would press her for an answer and Micaiah would say she felt she had no choice, it kinda felt like seeing the invisible hand of the author pushing the old Tellius protag (Ike) and the new Tellius protag (Micaiah) to duke it out even though they’re both arguably on the same page. Like… you could totally spin a few chapters out of Micaiah leaving the Daein army and searching for a way to help Pelleas and deal with the fallout of that, get that Ludveck-copy’s coup-a-loopie. I felt like Micaiah wouldn’t resign herself to that role so easily, especially if she REALLY didn’t want to do it. For all of her self-sacrifice, she’s pretty dang spirited.
It very much reminds me of the whole Snake vs Raiden thing, and it took two later appearances and a boatload of time for people to finally come around to liking Raiden as a character… or at least admitting they liked him out loud.
I don’t really understand why people would think she’s “too perfect”. The story goes out of its way to show the opposite! People die unnecessarily because of her actions. When figureheads in real life make bad decisions, their fanatics still follow them. And so I don’t get the complaints.
To me Macaiah is less a Mary Sue and more a display of how paragon heroes can still be flawed. She’s so self-sacrificial, such a jay-girl, that she ends up causing problems on purpose. Saying she’s “never incorrect” is definitely untrue, she’s just not bad enough to justify how viciously people turn on her
So where can I find their fates revelations play through?
On the stabbyness twitch or website
You can find it on their TH-cam channel too: th-cam.com/video/ldofTW5jEh0/w-d-xo.html
1:07:00
Oh found the link to the fates videos, "Stabbyness" on youtube.