This may be anecdotal, but submitting a video instead of just the audio track seemed to increase our approval compared to previous submissions. This may not work for all artists and genres, but as a punk band the visual element goes a long way with conveying the energy of the song, and I think that played in our favor. We got approvals from a few blogs/playlists that had turned down our last 3 submissions.
same, a music video helped, and it gives the blog something to link to, i mean, if you are releasing a single without a video, then it isn't really your single, gotta have video these days
I needed this lol I submitted my song to 37 different people using the standard credits and didnt get a single approval. Different method but for 80 dollars its a decent investment to experiment the viability of your song. great vid :D
Hi, I am aware of everything that was said in this video. Awesome video by the way! Though, I do not think SubmitHub is worth much more than the Spotify playlister companies. Maybe back at the starting times it was different, but definitely not lately. As to my experience, if you use premium credit, the curators will just tell you why they do not like the track. Which, in fact means, you pay credits for somebody telling you why they do not want the music. Well, I do not need anybody to tell me why the music in not wanted there :) The credit should not be earned by the curators upon rejecting the music. The credits should be earned upon approval. Anyway, this leads us to the standard credit, but again, using standard credits is almost like not even sending out any music as the approval rate is that low. So, basically we might as well as do a massive submission to all of the curators, according to the law of big numbers, you will definitely find some who will approve, but at what a price... The price of wasting your precious time, and also, this massive strategy would not work on premium credit. So, after all, I think it is not worth investing into premium credits, just sticking to the standard credits, or maybe even leaving SubmitHub for good.
Great vid..There is actually a "recent share" button on the right hand side of each curator. You can listen to their approvals. If you are niche in anyway its essential to have a listen to see if you fit as many rejections are due to you not fitting their generic playlist...(and they are mostly generic..dig dig haha!)
haha yeah that is a good point. I'd even admit that mosts of my playlists are relatively generic, but as a curator thats just what makes sense to grow and promote. My FPS Gaming Music playlist is relatively obscure, blending dubstep and metal, but aside from that i've stayed relatively mid-road to make the marketing easier. Some genres of music will definitely have a harder time on any kind of curator-based platform like SubmitHub or PlaylistPush.
@@AndrewSouthworth NP It's all in good fun. One thing Andrew can you clarify CPC on FB.To me it does not translate to Spotify streams. Only 40% who hit landing page stream Spotify. Toneden says that's above avg..Can you do a vid on that..as FB CPC can be misleading.
Very usefull Andrew, I have actually re-written my PR timeline this evening based on your advice. I had lost faith in Submit Hub but now I can see that I was coming at it from the wrong angle. Cheers!
Hey man I just want to reach out and personally (redundant, which makes this parenthetical funny-I could've just erased it, but I like to type what I think; anywho, back to lauding you) thank you. I've just started a music career, and this information is indispensable coming from a person who is both artist and curator. You've really given great insight on how to use what I feel must be an under utilized tool, and I for one find immense value in this content. 'Tis a shame this video only has 10k views. Subscribing now and looking forward to more content in the future and exploring what you have here already. Keep up the great work friend. Peace, love, blessings.
Been quietly catching up on all your material. Just discovered you like a week ago and I've watched all your marketing material. I must say... Thank you man. This info is so valuable and not offered up for free by practically anyone in such detail. You're a Legend! 🤘
Hey man, been watching all your vids the past few months! Just wanted to let you know this video helped me out like crazy :) I've already been accepted around 12 times for my latest release because of some of these strategies!! I used to get maybe 1 or 2... Thanks for all your help. This info is gold, study up friends!
wanna let you know you did a great job of communicating. i’ve been hopping around from video to video by amateur artist and you lead with why we should trust you. good job 🔥
I am sadly thinking to skip Submithub, maybe I would just give it a try for blogs. Most of the curators are really mean, and sometimes it seems a scam to me. DISCLAIMER: I got one song approved by you and you have been honest and respectful, I totally appreciated the way you did your part and I would gladly send next releases to you again and again. But you are not the average there, I wish there were more curators like you. 1) appraval rate like 0,1%: seriously these curators approve 1 song over 1000? and they ask for 3 credits? 2) copy paste message happens anyway. Some producers I know got the exact feedback I got, just the name was different. 3) there are huge curators, for example couple of millions followers. It's quite difficult that they would accept 3$ when such a big channel can ask for much more money (it sounds fishy to me... and indeed they always refuse). 4) many bloggers refused to blog me, but decided to promote my track in a second time because it got traction anyway. They don't help people discovering new music or artists to emerge, they just go with the winners. 5) got lame feedbacks (reverb on the bass is the top), someone was just offending (like "this is just a horrible song", "seems you are stuck in 2010", ...). My production is not that bad (at least I don't put reverb on bass and yes, I love the 2013 dubstep sound, what's wrong?). The idea is amazing, but I feel like too many scammers got their chance to pollute it.
Thats the downside of any open platform like SubmitHub or PlaylistPush - the website is just sending you to individual people who they can't really vet much. So I have to imagine that some percentage of each platform are scammers, who will eventually get caught and banned. I've had sketchy stuff happen before too, getting a song approved only to be added at the bottom of a 1,000 song playlist with few followers, getting generic cookie-cutter feedback that could be applied to anything, having curators reject my song because its not released yet (like what the hell?! they're not supposed to do that). Most curators are genuine and do what they're supposed to do, but that also doesn't mean they're good at giving feedback or will always have something useful to give you. At least in my experience, but I tend to vet the curators I send to to a degree.
Thank you for this video. Taught me a lot. Been lost for many years in my music career trusting managers who really just didn't care and were all about money and not my success! Thank you very much. i subscribed!
A million good nuggets here and you should listen to him: Southworth has over 40k monthly listeners, so he is way ahead of the pack. Thanks for helping me Andrew!
this was one of the most helpful videos you have on here Andrew, really appreciate how you got this all down within 15 minutes... it's thorough yet concise...hitting all the important parts! Kudos to you and may you and your channel and music continue growing successfully
Thanks for another great vid Andrew. Any chance you know of someone or a video that talks about what to do if your fb ad account is permanently disabled and you already tried appealing? I was hyped to run ads but after like 3 days they shut me down and it isnt clear why. Anyways, regardless glad you are having so much success in a challenging and complex business!
Unfortunately as far as I know appealing is the only way to get around it. If you have a business manager account then you can either make a new ad account in the BM, or make a new BM account entirely. If its your entire profile that was disabled then you may have to get another person to assist you.
@@AndrewSouthworth thanks Andrew! So for me the whole thing got disabled unfortunately, even though I just ran a conversion ad to spotify for like 3 days. Can't creat or delete ad accounts. Am looking into being made an admin on a friends account so we shall see. Fb was pretty merciless my first time out for something pretty innocuous. Anyways, thanks again
I wonder if people understand the value of someone like you sharing your expert experience. People pay lots of money to attend seminars where they’d be lucky to get one session like this. Thanks and best wishes - Tim✌️❤️😷
Could you elaborate on allowing the song to be used copyright free by influencers, etc? How critical do you think choosing this option is? I imagine this option is more relevant for getting your song on youtube or tiktok, etc. Has it helped you?
It's mostly there for sharing to YT / TikTok, online radio, etc. Basically places where they'll actually upload or host your song themselves and not just add your song to a list. They need the permission to share it. If you're going for Spotify playlists this aspect shouldn't matter at all. I don't typically allow the song to be used when I submit for Spotify or blogs.
Thats a good point. I've found Pop, EDM and Indie music genres are the most common. I accept metal music, but even myself I only have a playlist for metal with a strong chorus / hook. For anything other than a more mainstream version of metal people will have a harder time for sure.
That's why I don't use it anymore. Even thou my metal style is a bit more on the "softer" more melodic side, I had really hard time in Submithub. Found way more support on Twitter indie community.
Can you please look at my page and tell me how I should go about promoting? You are the most real TH-cam series I've seen so far i really love your channel
Thank you for replying to my last question (i forget which video) How do you feel about submitting demos? I've done the recording part but my producer/mixer has a lot on his plate. Wanting to quickly follow up my release with another single and ideally I'd give playlists and blogs a good 4 weeks before it drops. But would it be better to just be patient and wait to submit the final product? Also great content man. I'm only just realizing the importance of the business/marketing side and I've been crash coursing with your videos. It's helped me a lot!
I'd only submit a demo if you're looking for feedback only. For coverage you want to give your song the best chance it has and that means being polished, a blog likely won't want to base their review off of a demo anyways unless they absolutely love it and very little is changing. Without production / mix / mastering I can't imagine the quality would be enough for a review. Glad you've been digging the videos!
Very dope as always, I’ve never used submit hub but now I’m considering it. I have a single coming out soon and I’ve already been planning my ad schedule, i guess it couldn’t hurt to submit the song a few times. I’m hoping this will be my most successful release yet.
Great video as always Andrew. I have a question, a couple of months ago i submitted an unreleased song to your Music Review Monday live stream. You gave great feedback as always, and you actually said you'd like to put it on your 'Future Bass' spotify playlist when the song gets released. Anyway, that song is finally being released (August 23rd) and wondered if you'd want me to send you the link? Thanks in advance :)
Hey dude, really appreciate your videos. They're very helpful. I a bit confused though about submitting tracks to submit hub pre-release. If the track isn't on Spotify yet then I won't have a link to give the curator. If I give them a Soundcloud link for example, how do they actually have the link for the release when it eventually goes live on Spotify? Thanks.
After it releases you provide the link. Or SubmitHub will actually try to find the correct one automatically for the curators by matching the artist / song name and then asking the curator if its correct.
I was just wondering do you know how to increase reach and impressions when targeting the US. Whenever I target them, I get no impressions or clicks after a day or even two. Any tips?
Hey Andrew, incredibly helpful channel you have. Perhaps this is a silly question but I am asking because you skipped over it: In the song link upload section is it better to give a youtube link or link to the track on Spotify? The site recommends a youtube link, but if I am going for playlist placement, doesn't the curator need the direct Spotify link? Thanks
Hey, SubmitHub founder here. You can add *multiple* sources to the same song upload. The part where it's recommending TH-cam or SoundCloud is as your "main streaming source" -- and that's mostly because those two are the most-accessible platforms.
Great info. You can do bulk as well and use the personal note to send to each playlister individually. So one campaign with individual messages. HTH ;)
One suggestion you all might try for your next single is to buy about 30 credits, and submit to only 1 credit curators with the highest approval rates. If these 30 curators don't approve your song, there is no point in promoting it further. Those are the ones who are most likely to give it a chance. If you get 50% approvals or more, then buy another 30 credits and try to build out through the 1 credit curators. As you get deeper, the approval rates are going down. So if you have a 1 credit curator with a 30% approval and a 2 credit curator with 30%, who is better? Choose the 1 credit, so you can submit to two curators. If you start out by buying a large block of credits and aim at 2 and/or 3 credit curators, you are taking too much risk. A song has bad odds anyway. Build up a foundation from cheap to more expensive and if your song has some momentum, it can be a selling point for a 2 credit curator, as Andrew suggested. Build momentum in small segments from cheap to more expensive, and only to curators in your genre.
Playlisters ideally a couple days in advance or more if you want them to share it near release day (some curators, myself included, only share within 7 days or so after approving because I share stuff in batches a couple times a week). For blogs i'd do 2-3 weeks in advance.
I'm not sure why you would think a blog would require a press release. The blog posts a feature on their own blog. A press release has a completely different function. A description of your song is helpful, but that isn't what a press release is.
@@onyxxproductions8187 On submithub most of the blogs say they won't accept you without a press release. And theyre basically just rewording/copy&pasting what you've written
@@oneplus113T read it as "a description" or "what a blogger would write about your song". What we have been mentioning here is that many blogs nowadays want the author of the song to have a full description/blog post so that they can just copy-paste it to their blog and call it a day
Are there other sites out there like Submithub? I used to submit my songs on the old garageband site where you could either pay for reviews or review other people´s songs for credits. I really liked that system and discovered a lot of cool music that way. I guess that is the "Hot or Not" option on Submithub but if anybody knows of any others I would love to know about them.
Yes it does, however that also means they likely have a lower quality standard so the playlist you get added to might just be stuffed full of small artists. Its not always a bad thing, but if you see like a 90% approval rate i'd wonder about the quality of the playlists they put these artists in.
heu dude ! I created a playlist 2 months ago (your videos helped a lot) I spent 200$ in facebook ads to get 5000 likes on it but I got refused on submit hub. What are the requires for a curator ? the growth must be organic or promotion ? thanks a lot
Maybe its because you only have 1 playlist, or when they looked up the growth history for the playlist they didn't trust it. Another factor is they're always changing what they're looking for in genre, curator type, and curator size. They also have some sneaky ways of checking the listening volume and what countries the streams are coming from, so that could have impacted it as well.
Yeah on SubmitHub you can do that, although keep in mind the artwork is visible. I don't think it would matter for most people but some curators might care about artwork more than they should.
Hey dude, nice tips. What would you recommend doing if you haven't released the track yet? What would the best advice be to get your track out there before hand? There's loads of advice for after release date put not much advice on what you can be doing before even doing a release date. I know there's options for hitting up Record Companies but what else. Thanks
You could use SubmitHub to pitch it to playlist curators, TH-cam channels, blogs etc., and that can be a decent pre-release promotion. You could also make some content around the release for social media, sharing the artwork, showing production techniques etc. Another idea is to run ads promoting previously released music to try and get some followers so when your new song comes out you have more people there.
@@AndrewSouthworth my bad. I'm not sure that Spotify ever made such a claim. But other people are suggesting that it's a possible reason for a takedown. I'd love to use the service, I'm just super leery of anything that can trigger a violation. BTW I love your videos and have learned a lot from you. Thank you very much for your reply. See: www.reddit.com/r/DistroKidHelpDesk/comments/kp64mo/are_your_songs_being_taken_off_spotify_this_may
Oh okay. So thats kind of a downside of playlists is that you never know if the playlister is using bots, ad traffic, or organic growth for their playlists. With SubmitHub you can check out their playlists and see how fast they're growing and only submit to ones that look legit, but you never know for sure. I'd avoid any platform where you can't individually vet and pick playlists to submit to for sure.
tbh its quite dangerous i think. this whole credit system makes you unaware of how much money your spending and its absolutely addictive cause its "by luck" its almost like an online casino tbh i hope to stay on top of that but wanted to share that in all honesty.
Hi , I am new to SubmitHub I am trying to submit a song , when I click the TH-cam icon it opens TH-cam in another tab, but there's nothing that allows me to submit my personal TH-cam link to submit hub. How do I submit a TH-cam link? thanks 👍
In most cases there is almost no way to tell for sure. Because of this I focus on smaller curators when I use it. Its much less likely a small curator used bots to grow their following. If someone was going to fake it they'd probably fake it big.
Hey Andrew how can I submit to your playlist, I created my own also but it's still small but wouldn't mind featuring one of your songs. Its dedicated to indie artist in hip hop, rnb and pop
Well I figured out why you don't like to advertise to India. I did for one day and now I got fake company's posing as google calling me trying to get credit card info to keep my listing 😂😂😂
If you don't have the rights to let someone else monetize it, there really isn't anything you can do unfortunately. You could talk to the publisher and see if they can grant permission.
I liked most of everything you said until you said, "I'm not going to saturate my playlist with smaller artists." Wow, imagine if the world thought this way. Good luck with your music but smaller artists supporting one another has always been key for me.
The world DOES think this way, thats why I try and control the ratio of known music to unknown music in my playlists. If I didn't do this people wouldn't listen to the playlists as much or as long and the smaller artists I feature would get less streams. The purpose of this is to help the small artists in the playlists.
Think about it from the curator perspective. You have 40-100 songs in your queue for the day, if you're a blogger you might have time to write about 1-2 songs per day, and if you're a playlister you might be able to accept 10-20 per day if you have several playlists. This is why the average acceptance rate is around 10%. Most rejections have nothing to do with the song's quality, but the song not fitting on the curator's playlist. Even for the ones in the right style and mood, when you know you can't pick all of them you have to pick the ones that really stand out to you.
Andrew, in the future please don't throw a song out for one thing you don't like especially if you like the song and say so in the review. I have had that happen many times and it drives me wackko and probably does to others. It's sort of like one issue voting.
The problem is, often you think the song is solid and well done but it just doesn't do anything for you and its hard to put that into words sometimes. Especially if you have 60 submissions in a day to go through and you can't realistically even accept half of them because it would saturate your playlists with only new songs from newer artists. If a curator gives you some minor nitpicks, or says your song just isn't a good fit for X reason, thats basically the best compliment you could get. I'd love to say 'it just doesn't do it for me', but on the platform thats not considered specific enough and its frowned upon giving too similar of feedback for many songs.
@@AndrewSouthworth That all makes sense. In many ways however I would be happy with a "it just doesn't do it for me" sometimes and here's why. I started sending songs to curators via Submithub last year and even though they never said it, I quickly got the impression it was mainly a personal and feel thing for them. I get it. There are songs I hear on the radio or online and if something doesn't click in the first 30 seconds I go to something else. That's why I personally wouldn't do what you do. I submitted one of my bands singles to 6 curator this weekend and all rejected the song even though they had glowing reviews but it was things like " a little too lo fi" or the "vocals needed to be up in the mix a little more." Just a note on mixing and any engineer will agree, it's all subjective. Maybe we were going for a lo fi sound or wanted the vox hidden a bit so people would have to listen more than a couple of times to figure the lyrics out. My immediate response in my head was, if you love it so much WTF. One thing I will give you a heads up on if you don't already know that drives my fellow musicians and songwriters nuts (and I have heard this from more than I can count) is when a curator obviously isn't a musician or a recording engineer and tries to give technical advice.
Thanks for sharing that. Yeah I hate getting that type of feedback as well, but honestly for the most part I don't take the feedback that seriously most of the time for that reason - its just a random person's opinion. Typically instead of saying something like 'its a little too lofi' i might say 'its a bit too lofi for my playlists so I don't think it'd be a good fit', or something of the sort. Every so often if a song has mixing / production problems i'll mention them, but I often wonder if those artists are thinking 'why the hell is this curator giving me technical advice' assuming that i'm not also an artist / producer haha.
@@AndrewSouthworth My band's bass play does our mixing and has quite a bit of studio experience. He knows his stuff. He grew up in that environment because his Dad did studio and live engineering for people like Iggy Pop, MC5 and Foghat back in the 70's and 80's.
It isn't always bad honestly, but it does indicate the curator might share too much. If a playlist adds 80% of the songs they get sent, how good are their playlists really? As a curator myself I have trouble rejecting too much because i'm an artist myself so I feel bad haha, so my approval rate is around 30% which is already kind of high for the platform. The important thing is if a curator has a very high approval rate, just check out their playlists and make sure they're not full of garbage or unrelated music.
Hi there! I think I may want to schedule a consultation like in Jan. When would be a good time? I basically have a few questions on singing and eq and about doing releases.
Good video mate but you just kind of breezed passed giving them rights to monetize...!? Why is it ok to just give away something you've put your heart and soul into? Is it hurting us by not opting into this?
So this only ends up mattering for platforms like TH-cam channels, and you’ll get to sign off later. This is so the channel can still put ads on their video legally. If you don’t do it you just likely won’t be able to get on any TH-cam placements. Personally I’m fine with them doing it if it’s a channel that can get more people to hear my music. For Spotify and blogs it won’t matter at all.
here's the BEST SubmitHub tip: DON'T USE THEM. Total bullshit. You'll get a bunch of copy/paste replies, and if you do get "accepted" by any, it's mostly either fake plays or worthless blogs that don't have any real traffic.
Bummer to hear that Mike. I can actually see we communicated via email a few months ago and your submissions chose "90 seconds no feedback" instead of actual feedback. Copy-pasting is actually impossible -- the inputs they're typing into don't allow it. On top of that, we've got a bit of code in place to check for similarity between pieces of feedback and make sure they're not too close. You can also preview feedback in advance of sending to someone which makes it easier to avoid those who lean toward generic responses. We work really hard to make sure there *aren't* fake plays/playlists on SubmitHub. We're quite confident about those listed on our site, though as I'm sure you've noticed, there are a lot of bad actors out there and as humans ourselves, it's possible we're occasionally caught out. We've got a variety of methods of tracking irregular patterns and have a number of full-time staff working to ensure there's nothing shady going on. Lastly, most blogs don't have significant traffic. That's not the point of getting on a blog in 2021. If you want those who can move the needle, target the Hype Machine blogs - A&R at major labels and Spotify are keeping a close eye on them. And if you want to boost your SEO presence so that when people search for your act they'll find write-ups, target the blogs in the "Really Good Bloggers" category. Hope that helps!
@@JasonGrishkoff A&R's, major labels and Spotify know what a blog with no traffic looks like. It's completely irrelevant when making decisions. I know you wrote up this well thought out "damage control" message, but you're really just scamming struggling artists out of money with smoke and mirrors.
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I got a 50% approval rating with my last submission. This video helped me. Thank you.
Glad it helped! I did a more recent update video last month as well.
Edward Snowden of the streaming era.
Lmao 😂
so accurate i trust this guy on another level
Lol the label must be trying sabotage him
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I didn't realize YOU were GENERA...You shared my first song last month on your playlist. Thank you so much!
haha yeah! Its funny how often people send me their music without realizing its me.
Um I want to send you music.
This may be anecdotal, but submitting a video instead of just the audio track seemed to increase our approval compared to previous submissions. This may not work for all artists and genres, but as a punk band the visual element goes a long way with conveying the energy of the song, and I think that played in our favor. We got approvals from a few blogs/playlists that had turned down our last 3 submissions.
Link to the vid, please!
same, a music video helped, and it gives the blog something to link to, i mean, if you are releasing a single without a video, then it isn't really your single, gotta have video these days
When I review on SubmitHub I like having the video pop up, especially if it has the lyrics.
Man your contents are insane!
I am struggling to promote my first single and your suggestions are dramatically useful!!!!
Thank you man!
Good luck! I hope your first single was successful!
hands down the best channel covering music marketing I've come across so far. great job, man! :)
seriously!! years of going thru different channels... and this dude is the real deal!
Hey Andrew, your tips totally worked for me, I just landed a playlist. Thanks so much!
I needed this lol I submitted my song to 37 different people using the standard credits and didnt get a single approval. Different method but for 80 dollars its a decent investment to experiment the viability of your song. great vid :D
Hi, I am aware of everything that was said in this video. Awesome video by the way! Though, I do not think SubmitHub is worth much more than the Spotify playlister companies. Maybe back at the starting times it was different, but definitely not lately. As to my experience, if you use premium credit, the curators will just tell you why they do not like the track. Which, in fact means, you pay credits for somebody telling you why they do not want the music. Well, I do not need anybody to tell me why the music in not wanted there :) The credit should not be earned by the curators upon rejecting the music. The credits should be earned upon approval. Anyway, this leads us to the standard credit, but again, using standard credits is almost like not even sending out any music as the approval rate is that low. So, basically we might as well as do a massive submission to all of the curators, according to the law of big numbers, you will definitely find some who will approve, but at what a price... The price of wasting your precious time, and also, this massive strategy would not work on premium credit. So, after all, I think it is not worth investing into premium credits, just sticking to the standard credits, or maybe even leaving SubmitHub for good.
exactly!
Do you know of any better options besides Spotify?
@@SHTMusik I do not find Spotify to be that good, its main advantage is its popularity. Personally TikTok seems to perform better.
@@lightphasermusic Yeah, TikTok seems to have a TON of traffic. I get lots more views there than anywhere else.
Great video as always Andrew! Gonna use these tips for my band's next single :)
Great vid..There is actually a "recent share" button on the right hand side of each curator. You can listen to their approvals. If you are niche in anyway its essential to have a listen to see if you fit as many rejections are due to you not fitting their generic playlist...(and they are mostly generic..dig dig haha!)
haha yeah that is a good point. I'd even admit that mosts of my playlists are relatively generic, but as a curator thats just what makes sense to grow and promote. My FPS Gaming Music playlist is relatively obscure, blending dubstep and metal, but aside from that i've stayed relatively mid-road to make the marketing easier.
Some genres of music will definitely have a harder time on any kind of curator-based platform like SubmitHub or PlaylistPush.
@@AndrewSouthworth NP It's all in good fun. One thing Andrew can you clarify CPC on FB.To me it does not translate to Spotify streams. Only 40% who hit landing page stream Spotify. Toneden says that's above avg..Can you do a vid on that..as FB CPC can be misleading.
Very usefull Andrew, I have actually re-written my PR timeline this evening based on your advice. I had lost faith in Submit Hub but now I can see that I was coming at it from the wrong angle. Cheers!
Hey man I just want to reach out and personally (redundant, which makes this parenthetical funny-I could've just erased it, but I like to type what I think; anywho, back to lauding you) thank you. I've just started a music career, and this information is indispensable coming from a person who is both artist and curator. You've really given great insight on how to use what I feel must be an under utilized tool, and I for one find immense value in this content. 'Tis a shame this video only has 10k views. Subscribing now and looking forward to more content in the future and exploring what you have here already. Keep up the great work friend. Peace, love, blessings.
Been quietly catching up on all your material. Just discovered you like a week ago and I've watched all your marketing material. I must say... Thank you man. This info is so valuable and not offered up for free by practically anyone in such detail. You're a Legend! 🤘
Most important thing I’ve learned from this video is that there is a type of music called ‘future bass’
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Hey man, been watching all your vids the past few months! Just wanted to let you know this video helped me out like crazy :) I've already been accepted around 12 times for my latest release because of some of these strategies!! I used to get maybe 1 or 2... Thanks for all your help. This info is gold, study up friends!
Nice job! That’s awesome, glad this helped.
Real good info, you are helping me out big time as I am learning how to market my band online...
wanna let you know you did a great job of communicating. i’ve been hopping around from video to video by amateur artist and you lead with why we should trust you. good job 🔥
You would think this video would have way over 50k views this is gems
Listen curators approved songs first. It's very important I think. Thanks for amazing info Andrew!
Is submit hub worth it ? Im new and interested in these services
@@impacLopez yes really. If I get reject many time first, their feedback is also helpful, and finally I got 30k views on my last single!!
@@softable awesome I'm going to give it a try, thanks 💯
I am sadly thinking to skip Submithub, maybe I would just give it a try for blogs. Most of the curators are really mean, and sometimes it seems a scam to me. DISCLAIMER: I got one song approved by you and you have been honest and respectful, I totally appreciated the way you did your part and I would gladly send next releases to you again and again. But you are not the average there, I wish there were more curators like you.
1) appraval rate like 0,1%: seriously these curators approve 1 song over 1000? and they ask for 3 credits?
2) copy paste message happens anyway. Some producers I know got the exact feedback I got, just the name was different.
3) there are huge curators, for example couple of millions followers. It's quite difficult that they would accept 3$ when such a big channel can ask for much more money (it sounds fishy to me... and indeed they always refuse).
4) many bloggers refused to blog me, but decided to promote my track in a second time because it got traction anyway. They don't help people discovering new music or artists to emerge, they just go with the winners.
5) got lame feedbacks (reverb on the bass is the top), someone was just offending (like "this is just a horrible song", "seems you are stuck in 2010", ...). My production is not that bad (at least I don't put reverb on bass and yes, I love the 2013 dubstep sound, what's wrong?).
The idea is amazing, but I feel like too many scammers got their chance to pollute it.
Thats the downside of any open platform like SubmitHub or PlaylistPush - the website is just sending you to individual people who they can't really vet much. So I have to imagine that some percentage of each platform are scammers, who will eventually get caught and banned.
I've had sketchy stuff happen before too, getting a song approved only to be added at the bottom of a 1,000 song playlist with few followers, getting generic cookie-cutter feedback that could be applied to anything, having curators reject my song because its not released yet (like what the hell?! they're not supposed to do that).
Most curators are genuine and do what they're supposed to do, but that also doesn't mean they're good at giving feedback or will always have something useful to give you. At least in my experience, but I tend to vet the curators I send to to a degree.
@@AndrewSouthworth I would have guessed that you have felt the same pain. You are a producer too and know how much heart there is in each song we do.
If got put on a playlist with 23000 followers and that got 1 or 2 plays a day. Unless you're know the curators it can be a waste off money.
Thank you for this video. Taught me a lot. Been lost for many years in my music career trusting managers who really just didn't care and were all about money and not my success! Thank you very much. i subscribed!
A million good nuggets here and you should listen to him: Southworth has over 40k monthly listeners, so he is way ahead of the pack. Thanks for helping me Andrew!
Thanks! Glad it helped you out !
@@AndrewSouthworth Have you made an editorial yet?
Yeah i've had 1 song get on 2 editorial playlists. They're nice but not nearly as nice as algorithmic playlists.
@@AndrewSouthworth Are you saying you got more streams on algorithmic playlists than editorials?
this was one of the most helpful videos you have on here Andrew, really appreciate how you got this all down within 15 minutes... it's thorough yet concise...hitting all the important parts! Kudos to you and may you and your channel and music continue growing successfully
I just subscribed for the upcoming online music marketing event and I’m looking forward to it ❤
Awesome, thanks! Hope you find it valuable.
Thanks for another great vid Andrew. Any chance you know of someone or a video that talks about what to do if your fb ad account is permanently disabled and you already tried appealing? I was hyped to run ads but after like 3 days they shut me down and it isnt clear why. Anyways, regardless glad you are having so much success in a challenging and complex business!
Unfortunately as far as I know appealing is the only way to get around it. If you have a business manager account then you can either make a new ad account in the BM, or make a new BM account entirely. If its your entire profile that was disabled then you may have to get another person to assist you.
@@AndrewSouthworth thanks Andrew! So for me the whole thing got disabled unfortunately, even though I just ran a conversion ad to spotify for like 3 days. Can't creat or delete ad accounts. Am looking into being made an admin on a friends account so we shall see. Fb was pretty merciless my first time out for something pretty innocuous. Anyways, thanks again
Very helpful video, thanks Andrew
I really really love your content here Andrew! It helped me a lot and I'm about to use the awesome info you shared! Thank you!!!
Hey Verena glad it helped!
I wonder if people understand the value of someone like you sharing your expert experience. People pay lots of money to attend seminars where they’d be lucky to get one session like this. Thanks and best wishes - Tim✌️❤️😷
Hey Tim, thanks so much! Glad you find this information valuable.
Man this channel is diamond 💎
Hi Andrew, Love your videos very helpful.
Does the song I am submitting have to be already out, or Can I do it before it?
Thanks! You can do it before
Great info- really demystifies the process of submitting to Spotify- thank you!🙏🏻
Thanks Mindy! Glad you found it helpful.
Could you elaborate on allowing the song to be used copyright free by influencers, etc? How critical do you think choosing this option is? I imagine this option is more relevant for getting your song on youtube or tiktok, etc. Has it helped you?
It's mostly there for sharing to YT / TikTok, online radio, etc. Basically places where they'll actually upload or host your song themselves and not just add your song to a list. They need the permission to share it.
If you're going for Spotify playlists this aspect shouldn't matter at all. I don't typically allow the song to be used when I submit for Spotify or blogs.
Yo Andy, is it worth pitching an older song, or does submithub really only work for brand new releases?
Submit hub isn't really useful for metal bands. Very few options.
Thats a good point. I've found Pop, EDM and Indie music genres are the most common. I accept metal music, but even myself I only have a playlist for metal with a strong chorus / hook. For anything other than a more mainstream version of metal people will have a harder time for sure.
That's why I don't use it anymore. Even thou my metal style is a bit more on the "softer" more melodic side, I had really hard time in Submithub. Found way more support on Twitter indie community.
@Air-Ik that awesome, I'm glad it worked for you. I just gave up with Submithub and found more support on Twitter. Gonna check your stuff by the why.
What cha got against country?
Can you please look at my page and tell me how I should go about promoting? You are the most real TH-cam series I've seen so far i really love your channel
Really clear video, thanks for sharing Andrew!
Thank you for replying to my last question (i forget which video)
How do you feel about submitting demos? I've done the recording part but my producer/mixer has a lot on his plate. Wanting to quickly follow up my release with another single and ideally I'd give playlists and blogs a good 4 weeks before it drops. But would it be better to just be patient and wait to submit the final product?
Also great content man. I'm only just realizing the importance of the business/marketing side and I've been crash coursing with your videos. It's helped me a lot!
I'd only submit a demo if you're looking for feedback only. For coverage you want to give your song the best chance it has and that means being polished, a blog likely won't want to base their review off of a demo anyways unless they absolutely love it and very little is changing. Without production / mix / mastering I can't imagine the quality would be enough for a review.
Glad you've been digging the videos!
Very dope as always, I’ve never used submit hub but now I’m considering it. I have a single coming out soon and I’ve already been planning my ad schedule, i guess it couldn’t hurt to submit the song a few times. I’m hoping this will be my most successful release yet.
Best of luck on your single!
GLOBΛL thank you!
Great video as always Andrew.
I have a question, a couple of months ago i submitted an unreleased song to your Music Review Monday live stream. You gave great feedback as always, and you actually said you'd like to put it on your 'Future Bass' spotify playlist when the song gets released. Anyway, that song is finally being released (August 23rd) and wondered if you'd want me to send you the link? Thanks in advance :)
Great and informative video! Glad I came across it! My release is a couple of weeks old, so I'm jumping in this process today. Thanks!
Great information. Thanks Andrew!
Hey Andrew, thanks for this really informative video. Super clear and straight to the point. Have a great day! :)
This is a really good explanation. Top job mate.
Thanks Andrew! Glad you dig it.
Hey dude, really appreciate your videos. They're very helpful. I a bit confused though about submitting tracks to submit hub pre-release. If the track isn't on Spotify yet then I won't have a link to give the curator. If I give them a Soundcloud link for example, how do they actually have the link for the release when it eventually goes live on Spotify? Thanks.
After it releases you provide the link. Or SubmitHub will actually try to find the correct one automatically for the curators by matching the artist / song name and then asking the curator if its correct.
We went 10/10 on Submithub for playlist adds. Problem is we're a rock band and there really isn't a lot of outlets for rock.
Great video and info as always. How soon should you send a track before its release date?
Thanks! It depends, for a playlist campaign a couple days is enough. For a blog probably 2 weeks.
I was just wondering do you know how to increase reach and impressions when targeting the US. Whenever I target them, I get no impressions or clicks after a day or even two. Any tips?
This is definitely helpful. I just tried it out with one of my newer releases. Hopefully, things will go well.
Hey Andrew, incredibly helpful channel you have. Perhaps this is a silly question but I am asking because you skipped over it: In the song link upload section is it better to give a youtube link or link to the track on Spotify? The site recommends a youtube link, but if I am going for playlist placement, doesn't the curator need the direct Spotify link? Thanks
Hey, SubmitHub founder here. You can add *multiple* sources to the same song upload. The part where it's recommending TH-cam or SoundCloud is as your "main streaming source" -- and that's mostly because those two are the most-accessible platforms.
Good info, love it.
Great info. You can do bulk as well and use the personal note to send to each playlister individually. So one campaign with individual messages. HTH ;)
Yes! Great content, man. Thank you.
Great information, thank you!
Thank you so much for this valuable information! Take care fam :)
Very helpful!! thank you!
Really dope advise Andrew
This was soo helpful thank you!!
One suggestion you all might try for your next single is to buy about 30 credits, and submit to only 1 credit curators with the highest approval rates. If these 30 curators don't approve your song, there is no point in promoting it further. Those are the ones who are most likely to give it a chance. If you get 50% approvals or more, then buy another 30 credits and try to build out through the 1 credit curators. As you get deeper, the approval rates are going down. So if you have a 1 credit curator with a 30% approval and a 2 credit curator with 30%, who is better? Choose the 1 credit, so you can submit to two curators. If you start out by buying a large block of credits and aim at 2 and/or 3 credit curators, you are taking too much risk. A song has bad odds anyway. Build up a foundation from cheap to more expensive and if your song has some momentum, it can be a selling point for a 2 credit curator, as Andrew suggested. Build momentum in small segments from cheap to more expensive, and only to curators in your genre.
Fantastic suggestion, more useful than the entire video
@@armisticerecordsofficial8462 Thanks bro! I wish you many streams!
How do you add social media links to your artist profile? New to submithub and can't seem to figure this out.. thanks in advance 😊
Under the artist avatar should be a spot to "add a link"!
Hey Andrew, my band has a new track coming out May 14th and I was wondering how early you'd recommend submitting it to playlists/bloggers. Thanks!
Playlisters ideally a couple days in advance or more if you want them to share it near release day (some curators, myself included, only share within 7 days or so after approving because I share stuff in batches a couple times a week). For blogs i'd do 2-3 weeks in advance.
When you're submitting to blogs, do they require a press release for the song? If so, what kind of thing do you put in yours?
not all of them, but I agree with you: copy pasting a press already done is lame. Just helps with Spotify alghorytm
I'm not sure why you would think a blog would require a press release. The blog posts a feature on their own blog. A press release has a completely different function. A description of your song is helpful, but that isn't what a press release is.
@@onyxxproductions8187 On submithub most of the blogs say they won't accept you without a press release.
And theyre basically just rewording/copy&pasting what you've written
What does press release even mean please tell!!
@@oneplus113T read it as "a description" or "what a blogger would write about your song". What we have been mentioning here is that many blogs nowadays want the author of the song to have a full description/blog post so that they can just copy-paste it to their blog and call it a day
Hey man thanks ofr the gems :) Do you recommend the new influencer functionality over curators? thanks?
thanks*
When I clicked on the submithub curators page I didn't see any that listed metal on them. Do you recommend a metal artist use this?
Great info Andrew! Giving Submithub a go again. 👍
Are there other sites out there like Submithub? I used to submit my songs on the old garageband site where you could either pay for reviews or review other people´s songs for credits. I really liked that system and discovered a lot of cool music that way. I guess that is the "Hot or Not" option on Submithub but if anybody knows of any others I would love to know about them.
Why is a high approval rate a bad thing? Doesnt that mean I have a high chance of getting added to a playlist?
Yes it does, however that also means they likely have a lower quality standard so the playlist you get added to might just be stuffed full of small artists. Its not always a bad thing, but if you see like a 90% approval rate i'd wonder about the quality of the playlists they put these artists in.
I love this man
what is the difference between a share and a shout out on submithub? One of my tracks was declined but still received a shout out. TY!
thanks!
Cool thanks for your Input 😊👍🏻🎤🔝
heu dude ! I created a playlist 2 months ago (your videos helped a lot) I spent 200$ in facebook ads to get 5000 likes on it but I got refused on submit hub. What are the requires for a curator ? the growth must be organic or promotion ? thanks a lot
Maybe its because you only have 1 playlist, or when they looked up the growth history for the playlist they didn't trust it. Another factor is they're always changing what they're looking for in genre, curator type, and curator size. They also have some sneaky ways of checking the listening volume and what countries the streams are coming from, so that could have impacted it as well.
So my single's done, I'm just waiting on final cover art. I wanted to start early so can I go ahead and submit the song before I have the cover art?
Yeah on SubmitHub you can do that, although keep in mind the artwork is visible. I don't think it would matter for most people but some curators might care about artwork more than they should.
Hey dude, nice tips. What would you recommend doing if you haven't released the track yet? What would the best advice be to get your track out there before hand? There's loads of advice for after release date put not much advice on what you can be doing before even doing a release date. I know there's options for hitting up Record Companies but what else. Thanks
You could use SubmitHub to pitch it to playlist curators, TH-cam channels, blogs etc., and that can be a decent pre-release promotion. You could also make some content around the release for social media, sharing the artwork, showing production techniques etc. Another idea is to run ads promoting previously released music to try and get some followers so when your new song comes out you have more people there.
@@AndrewSouthworth Cheers mate, I appreciate the feedback 👌
Spotify claims that SubmitHub is a pay-for-play service and is taking down artists who use it. Any updates on this?
Where did they say this? I've never heard them say that.
@@AndrewSouthworth my bad. I'm not sure that Spotify ever made such a claim. But other people are suggesting that it's a possible reason for a takedown. I'd love to use the service, I'm just super leery of anything that can trigger a violation. BTW I love your videos and have learned a lot from you. Thank you very much for your reply. See: www.reddit.com/r/DistroKidHelpDesk/comments/kp64mo/are_your_songs_being_taken_off_spotify_this_may
Oh okay. So thats kind of a downside of playlists is that you never know if the playlister is using bots, ad traffic, or organic growth for their playlists. With SubmitHub you can check out their playlists and see how fast they're growing and only submit to ones that look legit, but you never know for sure. I'd avoid any platform where you can't individually vet and pick playlists to submit to for sure.
tbh its quite dangerous i think. this whole credit system makes you unaware of how much money your spending and its absolutely addictive cause its "by luck" its almost like an online casino tbh i hope to stay on top of that but wanted to share that in all honesty.
except 1 credit equals 1$ and most curators are 1 or 2$ so actually- not. that. hard. to. keep. track.
Hi , I am new to SubmitHub I am trying to submit a song , when I click the TH-cam icon it opens TH-cam in another tab, but there's nothing that allows me to submit my personal TH-cam link to submit hub. How do I submit a TH-cam link? thanks 👍
how do you know if the influencers didnt by fake followers?
In most cases there is almost no way to tell for sure. Because of this I focus on smaller curators when I use it. Its much less likely a small curator used bots to grow their following. If someone was going to fake it they'd probably fake it big.
very good
Hey Andrew how can I submit to your playlist, I created my own also but it's still small but wouldn't mind featuring one of your songs. Its dedicated to indie artist in hip hop, rnb and pop
This is awesome
thanks bro! SUBSCRIBEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
i COuld't Find a free way to promote
I also try and follow their IG before submitting.
Great idea!
If i use facebook ads for people to buy my album on usa.so if they buyed from there like itunes so will billboard count that ?????? Plz reply
If you register your release and follow the rules that Billboard specifies, yeah!
Well I figured out why you don't like to advertise to India. I did for one day and now I got fake company's posing as google calling me trying to get credit card info to keep my listing 😂😂😂
Wowwwww haha I’ve never had it that bad!
What if a publisher is already monetizing a song on TH-cam, how can you give permission for others to monetize?
If you don't have the rights to let someone else monetize it, there really isn't anything you can do unfortunately. You could talk to the publisher and see if they can grant permission.
I liked most of everything you said until you said, "I'm not going to saturate my playlist with smaller artists." Wow, imagine if the world thought this way. Good luck with your music but smaller artists supporting one another has always been key for me.
The world DOES think this way, thats why I try and control the ratio of known music to unknown music in my playlists. If I didn't do this people wouldn't listen to the playlists as much or as long and the smaller artists I feature would get less streams. The purpose of this is to help the small artists in the playlists.
Eh idk about submithub man sometimes I feel like they deny to much music espically when some songs are actually good.
Think about it from the curator perspective. You have 40-100 songs in your queue for the day, if you're a blogger you might have time to write about 1-2 songs per day, and if you're a playlister you might be able to accept 10-20 per day if you have several playlists. This is why the average acceptance rate is around 10%.
Most rejections have nothing to do with the song's quality, but the song not fitting on the curator's playlist. Even for the ones in the right style and mood, when you know you can't pick all of them you have to pick the ones that really stand out to you.
Andrew, in the future please don't throw a song out for one thing you don't like especially if you like the song and say so in the review. I have had that happen many times and it drives me wackko and probably does to others. It's sort of like one issue voting.
The problem is, often you think the song is solid and well done but it just doesn't do anything for you and its hard to put that into words sometimes. Especially if you have 60 submissions in a day to go through and you can't realistically even accept half of them because it would saturate your playlists with only new songs from newer artists.
If a curator gives you some minor nitpicks, or says your song just isn't a good fit for X reason, thats basically the best compliment you could get. I'd love to say 'it just doesn't do it for me', but on the platform thats not considered specific enough and its frowned upon giving too similar of feedback for many songs.
@@AndrewSouthworth That all makes sense. In many ways however I would be happy with a "it just doesn't do it for me" sometimes and here's why. I started sending songs to curators via Submithub last year and even though they never said it, I quickly got the impression it was mainly a personal and feel thing for them. I get it. There are songs I hear on the radio or online and if something doesn't click in the first 30 seconds I go to something else. That's why I personally wouldn't do what you do. I submitted one of my bands singles to 6 curator this weekend and all rejected the song even though they had glowing reviews but it was things like " a little too lo fi" or the "vocals needed to be up in the mix a little more." Just a note on mixing and any engineer will agree, it's all subjective. Maybe we were going for a lo fi sound or wanted the vox hidden a bit so people would have to listen more than a couple of times to figure the lyrics out. My immediate response in my head was, if you love it so much WTF.
One thing I will give you a heads up on if you don't already know that drives my fellow musicians and songwriters nuts (and I have heard this from more than I can count) is when a curator obviously isn't a musician or a recording engineer and tries to give technical advice.
Thanks for sharing that. Yeah I hate getting that type of feedback as well, but honestly for the most part I don't take the feedback that seriously most of the time for that reason - its just a random person's opinion. Typically instead of saying something like 'its a little too lofi' i might say 'its a bit too lofi for my playlists so I don't think it'd be a good fit', or something of the sort.
Every so often if a song has mixing / production problems i'll mention them, but I often wonder if those artists are thinking 'why the hell is this curator giving me technical advice' assuming that i'm not also an artist / producer haha.
@@AndrewSouthworth My band's bass play does our mixing and has quite a bit of studio experience. He knows his stuff. He grew up in that environment because his Dad did studio and live engineering for people like Iggy Pop, MC5 and Foghat back in the 70's and 80's.
Just curious but why is a high approval rate bad?
It isn't always bad honestly, but it does indicate the curator might share too much. If a playlist adds 80% of the songs they get sent, how good are their playlists really? As a curator myself I have trouble rejecting too much because i'm an artist myself so I feel bad haha, so my approval rate is around 30% which is already kind of high for the platform.
The important thing is if a curator has a very high approval rate, just check out their playlists and make sure they're not full of garbage or unrelated music.
@@AndrewSouthworth cool thanks for the reply!!
It’s not Github, but it will do
Hi there! I think I may want to schedule a consultation like in Jan. When would be a good time? I basically have a few questions on singing and eq and about doing releases.
three times zero is still zero ):
I wouldn't accept country music either 🙃😂
Good video mate but you just kind of breezed passed giving them rights to monetize...!? Why is it ok to just give away something you've put your heart and soul into? Is it hurting us by not opting into this?
So this only ends up mattering for platforms like TH-cam channels, and you’ll get to sign off later. This is so the channel can still put ads on their video legally.
If you don’t do it you just likely won’t be able to get on any TH-cam placements. Personally I’m fine with them doing it if it’s a channel that can get more people to hear my music. For Spotify and blogs it won’t matter at all.
I will try submithub. who knows? :) thks for the tips
Playlist with 1 to 5 listeners what a scam
hit
Yay triple my zero approvals
here's the BEST SubmitHub tip: DON'T USE THEM. Total bullshit. You'll get a bunch of copy/paste replies, and if you do get "accepted" by any, it's mostly either fake plays or worthless blogs that don't have any real traffic.
Bummer to hear that Mike. I can actually see we communicated via email a few months ago and your submissions chose "90 seconds no feedback" instead of actual feedback.
Copy-pasting is actually impossible -- the inputs they're typing into don't allow it. On top of that, we've got a bit of code in place to check for similarity between pieces of feedback and make sure they're not too close. You can also preview feedback in advance of sending to someone which makes it easier to avoid those who lean toward generic responses.
We work really hard to make sure there *aren't* fake plays/playlists on SubmitHub. We're quite confident about those listed on our site, though as I'm sure you've noticed, there are a lot of bad actors out there and as humans ourselves, it's possible we're occasionally caught out. We've got a variety of methods of tracking irregular patterns and have a number of full-time staff working to ensure there's nothing shady going on.
Lastly, most blogs don't have significant traffic. That's not the point of getting on a blog in 2021. If you want those who can move the needle, target the Hype Machine blogs - A&R at major labels and Spotify are keeping a close eye on them. And if you want to boost your SEO presence so that when people search for your act they'll find write-ups, target the blogs in the "Really Good Bloggers" category. Hope that helps!
@@JasonGrishkoff A&R's, major labels and Spotify know what a blog with no traffic looks like. It's completely irrelevant when making decisions. I know you wrote up this well thought out "damage control" message, but you're really just scamming struggling artists out of money with smoke and mirrors.
@@mikesylvan Welp, you're entitled to your opinion. Best of luck as you continue your growth elsewhere!