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"Elvis was a hero to most but aint never meant 💩 to me. Straight up racist, that sucker was. Simple and plain mother-f him and John Wayne" For 1990, that line is brolic.
@iluvdissheet People have been yelling fight the power and F the police for centuries...... That's why I would consider this as impactful as kendrick. When have we heard an artist call out a bunch of other artists by name ?
Jeremy‘s argument makes sense to me. The verse wasn’t impactful because of a direct big blowup response, but it was impactful because it was the ember that lit the fire for a whole ton of shit throughout the next decade of hip hop, including the craziest dismantling of a massive popstar we’ve ever seen. Many of the other moments you all discussed would never have happened if it weren’t for that one single verse. Other verses may be more memorable, or may have been bigger in the moment, but I can’t think of any that had so much influence on so much hip-hop history for such a long period of time.
I mean every 1-2 years they would talk about this verse and now 2024 still talking about it, That should be enough to understand it was in fact impactful
Well duh it caused the GOAT to battle and win Drake I’m speaking about. Because he won based on BARS. Not commercial goofy song. Plus Drake is the *GOAT* everybody talks about him. He seems to be more popular now than he ever was.
Lol, Drake did not win and he's not more popular than ever. He's dropped 10 songs since the battle and they've all flopped. Drake has clearly lost popularity. His entire catalogue went down 5% after the battle. Drake also did not have better bars either. Kendrick has bars and Easter eggs still being broken down from this battle right now. @@dee27206
I hate the use of "moments." A moment just passes by. We have been continually discussing this verse for the last 11 years now. That is not a moment, that verse is Timeless. DJs think that just because they don't play the records we aren't listening. They are so self-centered and that's why they are shocked when a battle ends up different than they expect.
I think the Control verse was the stone that skipped across the pond whose ripples evolved into tidal waves that crash into us with Not Like Us. On some butterfly effect type beat Do you credit the stone for something the wave did 10+ years later? I think so
Damn right!!!! I still bump it to this day and it gets me amped up!!! It’s a classic song and the song is classic itself and everyone did their verse on the song!!!
Its definitely in that conversation. Even outside of Jeremy's point, how many rap songs do you know got mass rappers responding to you even though they weren't mentioned? Symba was just freestyling to it a few months ago and anytime Kendrick does something people go back to the control verse on youtube. Thats impact fr
Jeremy couldn't argue his points well. Dj Hed is bugging. Name one verse in Hip Hop history that had a whole coast (East) running in shambles; I'll wait! Every rapper (hyperbole) was running to the studio after Control dropped. That's impact. Look at the ripple effect it had on the rap community.
Yes it seems theyre think of most popular or something. I genuinely dont know how Nothing But a G Thang is more impactful than Control but it was definitely more popular.
The most impactful verse changes with generations and locations. It's the ones that give birth to transformation. It's a good question for hip hop artists and fans alike. But the answers will be as diverse as those who answer.
Jeremy is on point I'm with him on this one. That verse ignited hip hop and led to another reignite when hip hop sales and interest was dwindling. It directly led to this great battle.
Control is a butterfly fluttering it's wings in 2013 that caused a category 5 hurricane in 2024. But we so rarely know the little moment to cause a big one it is almost hard for us to evaluate this sort of thing, because small moments are so rarely recorded. I get the point Jeremy is trying to make.
Jeremy is right. The control vers was the stone that led to this beef. But in de middle was a planty of other vers which is also very hard. But Kendrick know that Drake gone bite on the " like that" vers. He thought that this Kendrick is not the same Kenrick of 12 years ago.😂 But the boogie man thought "now it's time to finnish this MF for ones and for all"
BIG KRIT needs some respect. His Mt. Olympus response was the best I heard while still pointing to the fact that Kendrick sees him as a peer but the world still puts southern rappers in a box. Genius artist next to Kenny. Go listen to him!
@6:36 Man Kendrick must saw blood after that interview. Drake's words now haunts him with 'Not Like Us'. Even white kids in the suburbs know that song word from word.
And yet that song is now forgotten about and Kendrick went back to hiding. Lmao y’all mad that Drake is still the most streamed artists all 3 of his new songs are charting😂
@@dee27206 Y'all think all my life is rap? That's hoe shit, I got a son to raise, but I can see you don't know nothin' 'bout that. Euphoria-Kendrick Lamar
poor guy in the middle, I'd hate working with these two, they keep interrupting with dumb-ass giggles and comments every 5 seconds. Especially Elliot, this guy can't keep his mouth shut for a full 60 sec. That's crazy. I can't watch a full episode. I tried but I just can't...
Yessss I was screaming that my great-grandmother knew Peter Piper song left and right she loved that song and she was from the Great depression I mean come on man they were the first rap superstars the dude with the glasses he's kind of annoying, loud and wrong
Ngl… I thought Jeremy was bugging at first but after hearing his reasoning and the argument they both put up against him…I feel more of what Jeremy is saying. They all make valid points but what Jeremy is saying makes more sense in context of his statement.
Despite all their little disses before Control, but when Control drop, Drake felt it that a Change was Around so, the hate came out of him Right Away. Kendrick was telling rappers to Raise their Bars to put Hip-hop on the right Path. I love how Jeremy's put it, and DJ Heds making you to go in-depth pretending like he's not with you. But deep down he's very Happy to hear that from people whose view has changed a little because of Kendrick.😂😂😂
DJ Hed minimized the impact of Kendrick's Control verse (perhaps rightfully so) but then proceeds to exalt Snoop's verse on Ain't Nuthin But A G Thang? Lol... I'm puzzled. Snoop's verse is legendary and classic, but how is it the most impactful verse in hiphop history, compared to hundreds of other dope rap performances? C'mon brah.
Hed asked Jeremy for spark notes right after they read the book together like he wasn't there 😂 I'm with Jeremy on this. I remember when control dropped, the ripple lasted till now
20:33 “that means the verse gave the lineage of the most impactful moments” dude just explained why the control verse is so impactful and didn’t even realize it 20:38 Elliott admits it “its crazy its probably the most impactful” They secretly agree with Jeremy and just dont want to admit it. So immature
Idk why they pushing back in Jeremy so much. Even if you disagree, its really not a crazy opinion. His argument is sound and the fact that it had so much effect and was so much apart of the hip hip discussion this year proves its impact. from drake to lupe fiasco to big sean it’s still effecting other rappers and the comversation surrounding them and even coloring their album rollouts 13:45 “drake was right” the fact that this discussion is even happening proves Drake was wrong. 😂
I, for one, love the control verse. I go back to it and wish it was on streaming platforms. It possibly was the most impactful record. I cant disagree with that.
Why do you say, "We don't go back and listen to it?" Please speak for yourself. I still listen to it. It was a fire song (except for Jay. The song was fading out as he was rapping.)
The most impact verse is insane. It was a diss that wasn't a diss. As a kendrick fan this is blasphemy. The only reason yall talk about it is a diss. I love u king i look forward to seeing your growth in hip hop history
As a casual rap listener (I got my artists but I'm not as knowledgable about the entire scene), I had heard of the control verse even before the big beef broke. It broke orbit and that's gotta mean something.
Drake vs Kendrick is like 2 school girls fighting biggie and PAC had people in their feelings. Frfr even now. Watch the math Hoffa interview with smif n Wesson
Not interested in an episode where you condescend to Jeremy for 20 minutes. It was very cringe, regardless of whether you were right or not. You could've been more direct and respectful. I'll pass on the episode this week. 👎🏽👎🏽
The East Coast/West Coast rap beef was bigger, IMO. Whole coasts were involved and escalated to the point that its two main participants were murdered. Recency bias is real Also, I’d argue the opening to “Rapper’s Delight” is the most impactful verse ever as it’s believed to have kick-started the entire hip-hop genre.
The people who responded Kendrick never acknowledge them They were old, bitter, and jealous they weren’t even in his era that’s why Kendrick paid the dust they needed to stay in their lane
Also a lot of New York rappers responded who he didn’t mention because he called himself the king of New York so Elliot pretending to not know why Fab responded is very disingenuous ! Glazing
You're contracting yourself. If control led to the cypher and the line "tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pajamas clothes" then control literally impacted that. Drake thinking it was a moment, that's his PoV. Maybe if he realized the impact of it he wouldn't have put himself in this position today, just sayin. Him diminishing it doesn't make it less impactful. And yes I recall the way the verse started. I also recall the "call you on your cellphone" line and it still makes me nauseous. What's the point of the question again?
Ok- I think Hed is rude. He doesn’t know how to respond to Jeremy without first making a snarky comment.. I find that so annoying! Elliot.. aaah, the ick! Can you let Jeremy speak .. plssss- no wonder yall have less views. I would listen more if this was cohesive.. but can you take notes from Charlemagne on how to run a pod? Or Club Ambition? Jeremy lets you all get your points across without rude comments.. give him the same respect
Will y'all let that man speak??? How entertaining do y'all think it is for the viewer when you interrupt Jeremy every 3 seconds? The verse was the origin. Y'all splitting hairs.
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What do you think? Where does Control verse rank in impactful rap verses to you? Check out the full episode of The Bigger Picture here: th-cam.com/video/rROTRjnNimc/w-d-xo.html
Honestly this is why Joe budden and even charlamagne has got you guys. You all sound like politicians.
Impactful to the beef....
F the police, Fight the Power way more impactful....
"Elvis was a hero to most but aint never meant 💩 to me. Straight up racist, that sucker was. Simple and plain mother-f him and John Wayne"
For 1990, that line is brolic.
@iluvdissheet People have been yelling fight the power and F the police for centuries...... That's why I would consider this as impactful as kendrick. When have we heard an artist call out a bunch of other artists by name ?
Jeremy‘s argument makes sense to me. The verse wasn’t impactful because of a direct big blowup response, but it was impactful because it was the ember that lit the fire for a whole ton of shit throughout the next decade of hip hop, including the craziest dismantling of a massive popstar we’ve ever seen.
Many of the other moments you all discussed would never have happened if it weren’t for that one single verse.
Other verses may be more memorable, or may have been bigger in the moment, but I can’t think of any that had so much influence on so much hip-hop history for such a long period of time.
All facts! I agree
I mean every 1-2 years they would talk about this verse and now 2024 still talking about it,
That should be enough to understand it was in fact impactful
We're still talking about this verse 11 years later, so I think it left a lasting impact.
Well duh it caused the GOAT to battle and win Drake I’m speaking about. Because he won based on BARS. Not commercial goofy song. Plus Drake is the *GOAT* everybody talks about him. He seems to be more popular now than he ever was.
Lol, Drake did not win and he's not more popular than ever. He's dropped 10 songs since the battle and they've all flopped. Drake has clearly lost popularity. His entire catalogue went down 5% after the battle.
Drake also did not have better bars either. Kendrick has bars and Easter eggs still being broken down from this battle right now. @@dee27206
@@dee27206 Drake is the GOAT of pop music, not hip hop.
Facts & Drake’s comments didn’t age well.
@@dee27206Drake lost bro even when it comes to bars.
I hate the use of "moments." A moment just passes by. We have been continually discussing this verse for the last 11 years now. That is not a moment, that verse is Timeless. DJs think that just because they don't play the records we aren't listening. They are so self-centered and that's why they are shocked when a battle ends up different than they expect.
I think the Control verse was the stone that skipped across the pond whose ripples evolved into tidal waves that crash into us with Not Like Us. On some butterfly effect type beat
Do you credit the stone for something the wave did 10+ years later? I think so
yes. control is the whole reason Drake got offended
control is still in my gym playlist..won't ever leave.
Damn right!!!! I still bump it to this day and it gets me amped up!!! It’s a classic song and the song is classic itself and everyone did their verse on the song!!!
In my car every day
Bro that’s me from 2013
It’s one of the most impactful verses
Control is still hard ive listened to it 1000 times and i wont stop
Its definitely in that conversation. Even outside of Jeremy's point, how many rap songs do you know got mass rappers responding to you even though they weren't mentioned? Symba was just freestyling to it a few months ago and anytime Kendrick does something people go back to the control verse on youtube. Thats impact fr
Jeremy couldn't argue his points well. Dj Hed is bugging. Name one verse in Hip Hop history that had a whole coast (East) running in shambles; I'll wait! Every rapper (hyperbole) was running to the studio after Control dropped. That's impact. Look at the ripple effect it had on the rap community.
They don't know what impact means. Jeremy is right.
True...The only thing I'd say is he should phrase it as "one of the most impactful moments not verse."
Exactly. Simple as that.
Yes it seems theyre think of most popular or something. I genuinely dont know how Nothing But a G Thang is more impactful than Control but it was definitely more popular.
Elliot won’t let a mf’r talk
It's really annoying fr...🤦🏾♀
Its soooo hard to get through this video because of THAT.. MY GOD let him talk
I didnt even notice lol
Can you both allow Jeremy to make his point without interrupting 🤦♂️
They really didn’t let him finish, straight Kanye’d the Cover Boy 😅🤣😭
The whole show is about interruptions lol smh especially Elliott
They aren't because they are being political.
Eish…!! It’s so irritating.. Jeremy can’t finish his thoughts without interruptions
PLEASE ‼️
The most impactful verse changes with generations and locations. It's the ones that give birth to transformation. It's a good question for hip hop artists and fans alike. But the answers will be as diverse as those who answer.
Jeremy is on point I'm with him on this one. That verse ignited hip hop and led to another reignite when hip hop sales and interest was dwindling. It directly led to this great battle.
Control is a butterfly fluttering it's wings in 2013 that caused a category 5 hurricane in 2024. But we so rarely know the little moment to cause a big one it is almost hard for us to evaluate this sort of thing, because small moments are so rarely recorded. I get the point Jeremy is trying to make.
Drake and them said we wouldn't be talking about that verse for long. Ten years later...we still talking about it.
Jeremy's argument holds up better I think
Jeremy is right. The control vers was the stone that led to this beef. But in de middle was a planty of other vers
which is also very hard.
But Kendrick know that Drake gone bite on the " like that" vers.
He thought that this Kendrick is not the same Kenrick of 12 years ago.😂
But the boogie man thought "now it's time to finnish this MF for ones and for all"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
BIG KRIT needs some respect. His Mt. Olympus response was the best I heard while still pointing to the fact that Kendrick sees him as a peer but the world still puts southern rappers in a box. Genius artist next to Kenny. Go listen to him!
@6:36 Man Kendrick must saw blood after that interview. Drake's words now haunts him with 'Not Like Us'. Even white kids in the suburbs know that song word from word.
And yet that song is now forgotten about and Kendrick went back to hiding. Lmao y’all mad that Drake is still the most streamed artists all 3 of his new songs are charting😂
@@dee27206 Forgotten? You are delusional 😂😂😂
@@dee27206 Not Like Us is #3 on Billboard so you are wrong again.
@@dee27206 OV HO Spotted 🤡
@@dee27206 Y'all think all my life is rap? That's hoe shit, I got a son to raise, but I can see you don't know nothin' 'bout that. Euphoria-Kendrick Lamar
That verse was the start of a chain of events in hip hop for years to come
dude in the middle is correct
I'm sorry Dj Hed, but I support Jeremy......The only thing I'd say is he should phrase it as "one of the most impactful moments not verse."
poor guy in the middle, I'd hate working with these two, they keep interrupting with dumb-ass giggles and comments every 5 seconds. Especially Elliot, this guy can't keep his mouth shut for a full 60 sec. That's crazy. I can't watch a full episode. I tried but I just can't...
I can’t either…. I try 😢
Run DMC technically the first super stars
true!
Yeah it’s a funny qualifier. Run DMC: 1st rap super stars. LL Cool J: 1st rap super star.
Yessss I was screaming that my great-grandmother knew Peter Piper song left and right she loved that song and she was from the Great depression I mean come on man they were the first rap superstars the dude with the glasses he's kind of annoying, loud and wrong
Ngl… I thought Jeremy was bugging at first but after hearing his reasoning and the argument they both put up against him…I feel more of what Jeremy is saying. They all make valid points but what Jeremy is saying makes more sense in context of his statement.
i agree. all rap artists started upping their game and everyone was try'na do concept albums
Dj hed always thinks hes right even when he doesnt make sense
💯💯💯 Real talk. Swears he's the most credible in the room.
Yes lol I like him but seriously get confused when he talks sometimes. And the way he asks these random questions instead of just making his point 😂
High five “ bet cypher “
Despite all their little disses before Control, but when Control drop, Drake felt it that a Change was
Around so, the hate came out of him Right Away. Kendrick was telling rappers to Raise their Bars to put Hip-hop on the right Path.
I love how Jeremy's put it, and DJ Heds making you to go in-depth pretending like he's not with you. But deep down he's very Happy to hear that from people whose view has changed a little because of Kendrick.😂😂😂
I love the control verse and still play it, this sounds like low key hatin on Kendrick just so they can get future Drake and Kendrick interviews.
Control & TDE Cypher is in my playlist. I NEVER SKIP.
DJ Hed saying Jay Elect is mid is crazy work lol
No it ain't. Only New Yorkers think that.
I used to love Jay Elect but he didn’t even release an album till 2020
DJ Hed minimized the impact of Kendrick's Control verse (perhaps rightfully so) but then proceeds to exalt Snoop's verse on Ain't Nuthin But A G Thang? Lol... I'm puzzled. Snoop's verse is legendary and classic, but how is it the most impactful verse in hiphop history, compared to hundreds of other dope rap performances? C'mon brah.
Fwiw. I listen to control like once a week. The whole song.
Jeremy is not far off. I actually agree with him.
Hip hop has a before and after Rakim eras
I replayed and watched new reactions of the record (Kendrick's verse) all weekend. 🤷🏾♀️
Most impactful verse of all time in Hip Hop. Spot on Jeremy! The only verse that really shook the industry and still remains relevant to this day 🤞🏾
This show wouldnt happen if control doesnt drop
not me listening to this after pausing conrol
DJ Hed thinks he’s him just cos he got TDE affiliations boy get outta here
I see what Jeremy is saying.
I definitely understand what Jeremy is saying. He’s not necessarily wrong, but Hed and Elliot aren’t wrong either
Elliot keeps saying Control isn’t a good record…shut up dude lol
Hed asked Jeremy for spark notes right after they read the book together like he wasn't there 😂
I'm with Jeremy on this. I remember when control dropped, the ripple lasted till now
20:33 “that means the verse gave the lineage of the most impactful moments” dude just explained why the control verse is so impactful and didn’t even realize it
20:38 Elliott admits it “its crazy its probably the most impactful”
They secretly agree with Jeremy and just dont want to admit it. So immature
I snapped my fingers repeatedly after DJHed said “Bullshit” because that shit was poetry.
Idk why they pushing back in Jeremy so much. Even if you disagree, its really not a crazy opinion. His argument is sound and the fact that it had so much effect and was so much apart of the hip hip discussion this year proves its impact. from drake to lupe fiasco to big sean it’s still effecting other rappers and the comversation surrounding them and even coloring their album rollouts
13:45 “drake was right” the fact that this discussion is even happening proves Drake was wrong. 😂
I, for one, love the control verse. I go back to it and wish it was on streaming platforms. It possibly was the most impactful record. I cant disagree with that.
Why do you say, "We don't go back and listen to it?" Please speak for yourself. I still listen to it. It was a fire song (except for Jay. The song was fading out as he was rapping.)
I really need them to stop interjecting after every sentence with senseless commentary. 😂
The look on Elliott's face when Drake tried to downplay the greatness and power of Kendrick's verse on Control is wild
The most impact verse is insane. It was a diss that wasn't a diss. As a kendrick fan this is blasphemy. The only reason yall talk about it is a diss. I love u king i look forward to seeing your growth in hip hop history
As a casual rap listener (I got my artists but I'm not as knowledgable about the entire scene), I had heard of the control verse even before the big beef broke. It broke orbit and that's gotta mean something.
To be real, I heard about it after the original Twitter hubbub. Mostly from a reference in clipping's splendor and misery and some interviews.
Man i love this show, i pray it doesnt go the way of everyday struggle and the OG Breakfast Club
Keep goin Jeremy! Thats what im talkin about.
Fuck the police is also an impact verse or song
Drake vs Kendrick is like 2 school girls fighting biggie and PAC had people in their feelings. Frfr even now. Watch the math Hoffa interview with smif n Wesson
I still listen to Mr. morale Elliot. We know that you, drake man dam
Rakim Microphone Fiend was More Impactful
Not what verse you like more. What was more impactful. Rakim is the God MC but let’s be foreal
Why does it seem like DJ Hed tries to bully Jeremy! And everything is not about west coast rappers.
I have to agree with Jeremy. Mostly because the counter arguments were lame as hell.
Not interested in an episode where you condescend to Jeremy for 20 minutes. It was very cringe, regardless of whether you were right or not. You could've been more direct and respectful. I'll pass on the episode this week. 👎🏽👎🏽
I think Hed misunderstood what "fool" meant. I'm with "fool" on this one!
When this dropped me and the homies always felt bad for Jay Electronica cus everyone cut the record off after Kendrick’s verse 😂
DJ Hed knows what happened but you can see he don't wanna talk about it😂😂😂
The East Coast/West Coast rap beef was bigger, IMO. Whole coasts were involved and escalated to the point that its two main participants were murdered. Recency bias is real
Also, I’d argue the opening to “Rapper’s Delight” is the most impactful verse ever as it’s believed to have kick-started the entire hip-hop genre.
Hello. I agree with Jeremy. Bye.
Eliot needs to chill. Jesus.
I loved the responses from pap, joe, lupe, etc. Wish more responded
The people who responded Kendrick never acknowledge them
They were old, bitter, and jealous they weren’t even in his era that’s why Kendrick paid the dust they needed to stay in their lane
@@felishamcclendon7757 that's hate lol.
Ayo let Jeremy finish a sentence
Also a lot of New York rappers responded who he didn’t mention because he called himself the king of New York so Elliot pretending to not know why Fab responded is very disingenuous ! Glazing
Shout out and Love to DJ Hed Westcoast always my favourite Sending all my love to you all from South Africa 🇿🇦
Jeremy got bullied and dismissed. Neither Eliott or Hed actually gave direct reasons to negate the statement.
Jay Elec has NEVER dropped a mid verse
Dj hed alway trying to be a devils advocate 😅
Imagine if Drake and Kendrick actually got on stage in front of an audience and rap battled each other. Who will actually win?
Every time I see that Drake interview it confirms that Kendrick had every right to bleed him.
You're contracting yourself. If control led to the cypher and the line "tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pajamas clothes" then control literally impacted that. Drake thinking it was a moment, that's his PoV. Maybe if he realized the impact of it he wouldn't have put himself in this position today, just sayin. Him diminishing it doesn't make it less impactful. And yes I recall the way the verse started. I also recall the "call you on your cellphone" line and it still makes me nauseous. What's the point of the question again?
DJ HEAD YOU JUST SAYING NAMES
Based on your argument Mr Cover boy verse one of hip hop and Tupac verses
Jay Electronica was salty too lol
Elliotts explanation doesn't make sense. The "moment" only happens because of the verse.....
Live at the Barbecue
Momma said knock you out
How come Elliot didn’t know it when Drake ask him about it on the interview
Jeremy going somewhere
I feel like the way kendrick says drakeeee???? In control is so hilarious. Definitely sounded like he wanted smoke the most with drake
Sounds like how Soulja boy said it
Nothing has been the same since they dropped, NOT LIKE US. Tucked a sensitive rapper back in his pyjama clothes again.
All dude kept saying was no while accusing Jeremy of not saying anything with substance...lls.
Ok- I think Hed is rude. He doesn’t know how to respond to Jeremy without first making a snarky comment.. I find that so annoying! Elliot.. aaah, the ick! Can you let Jeremy speak .. plssss- no wonder yall have less views. I would listen more if this was cohesive.. but can you take notes from Charlemagne on how to run a pod? Or Club Ambition? Jeremy lets you all get your points across without rude comments.. give him the same respect
Also dj head is that guy put em on game
Will y'all let that man speak??? How entertaining do y'all think it is for the viewer when you interrupt Jeremy every 3 seconds?
The verse was the origin. Y'all splitting hairs.
Against all odds is is better than hit up ..to me
Dj Hed a fool 😂😂😂😂
This is herb central
DJ BJ lost me on this one
Changes Tupac is the only right answer
Didn't that drop after he died ?? Tupac and biggie are great but how much of that greatness is from being killed ?