I don't know but I imagine the ridges on the cranks are to counteract the problems we've seen with previous Hollowtech cranks breaking. Obviously 9200 Dura-Ace is an evolutionary step, and Shimano does appear to be providing what the cycling world wants, at least for the large contingent that is in team Shimano. Great content and description as always.
@@noahhalbfoster6892 GIven how many of these cranksets they manufacture, the failure rate is remarkably small. Whilst I'm not trying to defend Shimano's manufacturing, QC, or tolerencing, their engineering definetly isn't the worse in the industry.
I believe those "ridges" will be very functional. Essentially the crank is an "I" beam with a scalloped section between the two. Those ridges are increasing the second moment of area which is important for a structural component keeping it strong but light weight. The symmetry of the crank now is a good thing for the accuracy of the integrated powermeter.
@@noahhalbfoster6892 Well that wouldn't be incorrect. But it's also pretty obvious that common trend with these failed cranks is that the bonding breaks down due to corrosion as a lot of people don't look after their equipment properly - improving the bonding agent would be a solution. When the cranks do have a catastrophic failure where a user could get injured, there would have been many tell tale signs that something was wrong and the user should have stopped using the crank and inspected it. Signs would include noticeably more flex, the bodies pealing away, and potential appearance of fracture lines. The cranks don't just snap because you got ou the saddle and put out some more power. These cases happen over a period of time and neglect from what I see. We don't know if the new cranks have been improved, Shimano have never commented on it so why would they mention any improvement in the new cranks? That would be an admison that the previous version weren't up to it if that was true.
@@noahhalbfoster6892 I suppose one thing I have learnt since I started to work closer with Asian manufacturers is that pride can be a very big thing for them. In the west for example it isn't shameful to take responsibility for mistakes. I think that problem specifically might be cultural.
you mentioned the addition of the 16t sprocket added to the cluster to make it up to 12. I had heard it was purely to please the pro riders who spend a lot of their time in the middle and smaller sized sprockets and wanted linear progression from top gear up to past the middle of the cassette.
Great review David, as always. Same feelings here... I have issues with the looks as the connection of the spider to the chainring looks disjointed and unfinished. I had a choice to get the DA or the SR EPS and ended up with the Campag. Yes, it does not shift as fast or as quiet as the DA and less wiring and smaller front and rear derailleurs but for me, the EPS looks great and I love how the Ergopower hoods feel in hand, especially with the easy to use thumb shifters.
Personally I don't like the charge button at the mech it means u can no longer change modes without getting off the bike... I can't see how thats a good move from shimano. The shifting looks faster apart from that over 9100 I don't think it's worth swapping to. Great video again David 👍👍
@@DaveCM yeah that's my guess still faff though having to get your phone out or go through your cycling computer. when before u could literally press a button while cycling. Be interesting to see how it holds up in bad weather aswel with the port being so low. Guess we will have to wait and see.
I also pre-ordered one. Without the box it looks better in my opinion. But if you already have the opportunity to mount a box for inner tubes or something similar, I think it's really cool.
Nice review. Only point I'd make is that knocking Shim for not leveraging 12spd to increase range is really done to the cassette choice on the bike, you could also have gone for 11-34 which gives you the range and uses the extra cog to keep the middle of the cassette nice and tight.
Nice review David, can you make a comparison between Dura Ace D12, Sram Red eTAP AXS and Campagnolo Super Record EPS and in your opinión tell us wich one is better, greetings!!
The misalignment of this wahoo mount is giving me the creeps!! I'd definitely notice the 12spd, I tried so many ways to get rid of the 11 just to get a 16!! I also like these new levers, the previous one would have a dead band on the top part of the lever when you decreased the reach.
I think there are some brilliant things on this new group set but that crank - for dura ace money you’d think they’d have got the spider and the chainring to line up properly. That Orbea frame’s not a looker, either
Another well presented and edited video with honest appraisal. Have Shimano improved the rotors? You did mention not rubbing when making hard out effort.Perhaps a longer test on steep and long descents to get some heat into them will show.Peak Torque likes to swap his rotors for Campag. Also is the cracking/delamination of the cranks sorted? Personally I am not a fan of black finishes.Polished alloy looks way more classy ,especially with my classic bikes.
The functionality and reliability of Shimano is 2nd to none, design for me has always been a bid meh. Sram and Campag look better, if not as well engineered. Thanks for the review David.
You think SRAM looks better than Shimano? I know design is subjective, but I would literally never go SRAM because of their awful designs. Their cranks look so generic, and the derailleurs look terrible. The chrome/silver on the shifters is awful (the ones that are just black are fine). Campag, otoh, is beautiful. I still prefer Shimano tho.
@@unairamos74 I don't care about Campa- don't want to have special tools and skills when maintaining Campa stuff. In have Di2 on my Aeroad, full satisfied with shifting speed and reliability, and will buy new U Di2 equipped bike, so I can use same tools. ( admittedly I like how eTap group looks- more compact).
Hi David, great review as always! First off I'd like a silver version which would hide scratches and scuffs better than the black one. Did I hear you correctly saying there would be a Di2 rim brake version of Dura Ace and Ultegra? can you confirm that? I haven't heard that anywhere else, I've only seen the disk version reviewed and spoken about.
This is possibly the last time it'll have rim brakes as the market for rim brakes is shrinking. Partly this is because brands are choosing not to make rim brake bikes, but it f people were buying them they would still make and design them!
Aren’t they the previous series rotors? The new series is coming with the xtr rotors if I’m not mistaken - which look quite different to the very nice black rotors on this bike. Wondering about the rationale and performance difference?
I'm not sure about the crank ether. I do like the brake hoods. Shimano has always put out a beautiful product. Nothing heart-thumping like Campagnolo though.
Dura Ace used to justify part of the price difference with it's more polished finish. Sad that they don't spend the time/money making it look nicer especially considering that it wouldn't affect weight or performance
That chain is so thin.....less pin to roller bearing surface, less pin to plate bearing surface. Wonder what the service life of the 12 spd chain will be..? Overall, I really like what they've done. Much more than Sram.
Haha, Coates and Tunnel hse hill! Rode them myself earlier this week ;-) I wonder what availability is of new G/set? Just tried to get Shimano Genuine pads this week from LBS and told they won't be any in the country until next April! :-(
Hi I recently got the 12sp di2 Ultegra & it’s incredible. Just wondering does anyone know when a left side powermeter crank is available ? Any make will do as I miss the power figure’s !
Are Dura Ace and Ultegra groupsets 100% interchangeable / compatible? Dura Ace / Ultegra levers are the exact same shape, correct? I will likely get full Ultegra groupset for the value, but I want the Dura Ace 54/40 chainrings. I just have to wait for the chainrings to be available to purchase separately, right? Also, the Dura Ace caliper is mono-body now vs Ultegra which is still two-piece. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this aspect. Are the Dura Ace calipers worth choosing over Ultegra? Hardly any weight penalty for front mechs, so it's a no-brainer to go Ultegra. Rear mech has the carbon inner lower arm, wonder about the rigidity... Over time as well. Thanks David, I think it looks smart on that bike.
Could I use the new crankset with my 11-sp Ultegra groupset? I want to have power and this might be a nice way...if the new crankset is ever available separately... Thx.
DA was definitely an evolution, rather than revolution. But thats OK - the gearing etc was already excellent. I'm more disappointed that ultegra mechanical is gone, but if the market isn't worthwhile then I can't blame Shimano for not doing it.
And where's the built in bluetooth located? can you have sprint shifters and climbing shifters with these hydraulic hoods? you couldn't with 9100 hydraulic (only the rim version).
So fairly lukewarm reception then. I'd prefer some more highly finished polished sections, or just anything a bit more interesting than this dull black finish, or perhaps something more like that 90's XTR matte grey would be more interesting and more durable...Confirms anyway, I'll be on Campy Record Mechanical rim for the next decade- lighter, cheaper, longer lasting, less batteries...Plus - that nice middle block 15/16/17 tooth progression existed back in Sh 10spd on the 12-27, but was only on the smaller blocks in 11spd in preference to more range on the 11-28- so many riders already know what that feels like, but may have forgotten, it's a nice thing to have for sure.
See DC Rainmaker's launch coverage focused on the power meters. He reckons Shimano have acknowledged the problem and they assert it shouldn't happen any more.
Nice initial review David. Still very disappointed they are discontinuing mechanical though. Some of us appreciate the simplicity and value it offers. By the way, I really do not like that Orbea frame. What were they thinking!
I already must take care of my mobile battery, my laptop battery, my powermeter battery, my garmin battery, my head and backlight battery. I will definitely not add another 4 batts in my life. Besides, I was in Spain cycling 10 days, and the only people with shifting problems were those with a electronic shift. Every other day a new one. 😂
This is a much better looking and performing groupset than your SRAM, should you get it for your Giant TCR, probably yes, but thats for you to decide. What do you think? Let us know in the comments. Until nexttime, stay snazy and keep those great videos coming.
It's a fair point -- if electronic shifting basically solves all FD woes, then why not add a granny gear (marginal weight)? It would probably make the bike lighter overall since you could get use an 11-28 in the rear instead of 11-34 or whatever, while also increasing range, while also improving chainline. Shimano did actually have 3x11 Di2 in the previous generation XTR groupset.
Agree with David - looks do matter (let’s not talk about the ugliness that is this aero vomit Orbea thing lol). And Shimano had decades to improve upon the looks of both the crank and the derailleur as well as the levers. And they didn’t. They kept it standard and rather uneventful (not a bad thing but we’re talking purely looks people!) I’d venture to say the “old” DA might look a bit better but not by much. The hoods being smaller on the old DA win, these new hoods look massive. When you look at something sexy and edgy like Record / Super Record and even Chorus, the new DA just looks well... functional, basic, bland and rather Japanese. Boring basically. And that might be the point here. But they could’ve gone with a carbon or carbon weave, added a pinch of color even changed the DA typeface. Even the last-gen carbon weave Record rear derailleur and carbon weave levers were downright sex when it comes to appearances. And the polished chrome groups from yesteryear will always look better than today’s “make everything black” motif. But that’s the direction of the industry. Also surprised last-gen DA doesn’t have servo-wave braking tech (my GRX 810 bike does and it does work really well) albeit it’s a new group. Certainly a great group that will lead the industry in many ways, curious to see what Campagnolo does next...
@@Loekie-de-leeuw ball sack might be the killer here. Haha. Not a fan of aero at all. IMHO it’s just a stupid fad that’s made bikes ugly with wind tunnel influenced design over traditional design, but I’m more of a traditionalist. Purely subjective, different people like different things :)
As someone who works on bikes, I find its technical design intriguing, like the two-piece cockpit (compatible with any handlebar), single-bolt saddle clamp (plus 0 - 25 mm offset by flipping the clamp) and under-stem routing (allows for easy stem length swaps). If my observations are correct, with a few hardware swaps (no custom work needed), it might be able to run any stem you want.
@@sbccbc7471 I'm with you. As someone who needs a little extra modability to get my best position, these things you mentioned look great. The one piece setups look great on paper, but can make getting your best position ,or running your favorite bars, impossible. And the seat clamp reminds of a reversible clamp I had on an old Cervelo. These, plus the look of the bike, have me intrigued.
Even if you have the cash or even if you can afford the Ultegra I checked delay and it was 18 months (for major european importer in France - after-sale market). Also, nobody is going to order any brand bike just to get dura ace quickly (at least they shouldn't). In my case, I ended up getting Campag Chorus 12 speed, comes in mechanical, is a good price, looks pretty nice overall, greater gear ranges on offer, a bit heavier but most important it is AVAILABLE. I do like the dura ace, and its a very balanced review here but launching a product that you cannot acquire unless all planets happen to be aligned is a failed launch in reality. This scarcity is not a short term issue. You have to think - what if you need a replacement part due to an accident or whatever - good luck? Looks like it will be generally available when SRAM and campag have their own next gen out.
I ordered mine already, it’ll be at my house December 31, 2035. I cannot wait!!!
Jumping from a full mechanical 105 up to the new 12-speed Dura Ace, I'm am just completely floored!!! Absolutely LOVE it! Great video as usual!
I don't know but I imagine the ridges on the cranks are to counteract the problems we've seen with previous Hollowtech cranks breaking. Obviously 9200 Dura-Ace is an evolutionary step, and Shimano does appear to be providing what the cycling world wants, at least for the large contingent that is in team Shimano. Great content and description as always.
@@noahhalbfoster6892 GIven how many of these cranksets they manufacture, the failure rate is remarkably small. Whilst I'm not trying to defend Shimano's manufacturing, QC, or tolerencing, their engineering definetly isn't the worse in the industry.
I believe those "ridges" will be very functional. Essentially the crank is an "I" beam with a scalloped section between the two. Those ridges are increasing the second moment of area which is important for a structural component keeping it strong but light weight. The symmetry of the crank now is a good thing for the accuracy of the integrated powermeter.
@@noahhalbfoster6892 Well that wouldn't be incorrect. But it's also pretty obvious that common trend with these failed cranks is that the bonding breaks down due to corrosion as a lot of people don't look after their equipment properly - improving the bonding agent would be a solution. When the cranks do have a catastrophic failure where a user could get injured, there would have been many tell tale signs that something was wrong and the user should have stopped using the crank and inspected it. Signs would include noticeably more flex, the bodies pealing away, and potential appearance of fracture lines. The cranks don't just snap because you got ou the saddle and put out some more power. These cases happen over a period of time and neglect from what I see. We don't know if the new cranks have been improved, Shimano have never commented on it so why would they mention any improvement in the new cranks? That would be an admison that the previous version weren't up to it if that was true.
@@noahhalbfoster6892 I suppose one thing I have learnt since I started to work closer with Asian manufacturers is that pride can be a very big thing for them. In the west for example it isn't shameful to take responsibility for mistakes. I think that problem specifically might be cultural.
lol o man
The chain looks awfully short given the way the rear dee pulley is pulled so far forward.
Yeah, it would be interesting to see a pic on small-small, see where the rear cage points.
He crosslined that groupset so fast what a shame😅
@@d00dEEE You cannot see small-small because FW on Di2 will block you :-)
Short chain was my 1st observation as well.
@@jakubklouda2474 not true on r9200
As an American viewer...that white van at 6:12 scared the heck out of me hahaha
caused me to flinch also!
I just scrolled to the comments to see if anyone else noticed that, scariest youtube video yet
Well done David, great content as always!
you mentioned the addition of the 16t sprocket added to the cluster to make it up to 12. I had heard it was purely to please the pro riders who spend a lot of their time in the middle and smaller sized sprockets and wanted linear progression from top gear up to past the middle of the cassette.
Hi David, great honest video. Thank you very much. :)
Thanks 😎
Thank you for your impartial opinion and another great professional film.
Great first impression review as usual. Will wait for a long term comparison with a Sram Red Etap AXS Disc group. Thanks David, keep 'em coming!
Great review! But am I the only one noticing that the Orbea looks just like the starter road bike on Zwift?
You say orbea... but go to 1:27 there's the canyon logo... why 🤷🏻♂️
@@paolopretara6611 just a bad cut. RD also says Ultegra. Probably from a different video with Canyon bike and new Ultegra Di2.
@@edudar I am acc dumb asf 🤣 sorry haha
Yes that was just older footage designed to highlight the new Ultegra from the original launch for that groupset
Really well made review and video. Nice work David!
Thanks 🙏
Great review as always David :) thanks for the real world review and ride
Easily my most favorite bike channel this!
🙏
Hey david once again great job on this video. I like the way you ride the bike is sweet thanks for the great imput of shimano durace di2.
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Great review David, as always. Same feelings here... I have issues with the looks as the connection of the spider to the chainring looks disjointed and unfinished. I had a choice to get the DA or the SR EPS and ended up with the Campag. Yes, it does not shift as fast or as quiet as the DA and less wiring and smaller front and rear derailleurs but for me, the EPS looks great and I love how the Ergopower hoods feel in hand, especially with the easy to use thumb shifters.
Deer gawd all that plus a 16 tooth gear, sign me up! Anutter good review David.
Personally I don't like the charge button at the mech it means u can no longer change modes without getting off the bike... I can't see how thats a good move from shimano.
The shifting looks faster apart from that over 9100 I don't think it's worth swapping to.
Great video again David 👍👍
@@DaveCM yeah that's my guess still faff though having to get your phone out or go through your cycling computer. when before u could literally press a button while cycling.
Be interesting to see how it holds up in bad weather aswel with the port being so low.
Guess we will have to wait and see.
I’m sure I’ve seen elsewhere that you can change modes from your head unit, but I’ve no idea if that was specific to garmin/wahoo/hammerhead
I also pre-ordered one. Without the box it looks better in my opinion. But if you already have the opportunity to mount a box for inner tubes or something similar, I think it's really cool.
Nice review. Only point I'd make is that knocking Shim for not leveraging 12spd to increase range is really done to the cassette choice on the bike, you could also have gone for 11-34 which gives you the range and uses the extra cog to keep the middle of the cassette nice and tight.
Great content ! That bike does look amazing as well !
Looks like a 10 year olds attempt at drawing a bike, using a ruler, and bottle cap.
Nice review David, can you make a comparison between Dura Ace D12, Sram Red eTAP AXS and Campagnolo Super Record EPS and in your opinión tell us wich one is better, greetings!!
Added to the list Luis :)
I want that too 😎
The misalignment of this wahoo mount is giving me the creeps!!
I'd definitely notice the 12spd, I tried so many ways to get rid of the 11 just to get a 16!!
I also like these new levers, the previous one would have a dead band on the top part of the lever when you decreased the reach.
If I could choose my neighbor it would be Dave.
I think there are some brilliant things on this new group set but that crank - for dura ace money you’d think they’d have got the spider and the chainring to line up properly. That Orbea frame’s not a looker, either
Henry Ford when asked what colors the Model T came in: 'Any color as long as it's black'. Seems like Shimano has adopted that line of thinking.
The very first model actually came in red.
Another well presented and edited video with honest appraisal. Have Shimano improved the rotors? You did mention not rubbing when making hard out effort.Perhaps a longer test on steep and long descents to get some heat into them will show.Peak Torque likes to swap his rotors for Campag. Also is the cracking/delamination of the cranks sorted? Personally I am not a fan of black finishes.Polished alloy looks way more classy ,especially with my classic bikes.
"Bimbling" and Full beans". I had to look that up. Learned something new 🙂
😂
Great video. Can you do one on bike saddles. That saddle doesn’t look very comfortable.
Getting that 16 tooth is huge!!!!
It really isn’t
@@robmurphy8434 Most riders say that 16 tooth is critical.
When can we get a review of the bike I’m looking at one and it’s the first time I’ve seen it on the road!
Soon, a couple of weeks time I reckon
Thanks Dave. I’ll be interested in whether you think the eye watering cost is worth it in your later video
Can’t wait for GRX 12-Spd
The functionality and reliability of Shimano is 2nd to none, design for me has always been a bid meh. Sram and Campag look better, if not as well engineered. Thanks for the review David.
I have 2 bikes with Simson, one of them with Di2. Ordering new with updated Di2. Will never go to SRAM.
You think SRAM looks better than Shimano? I know design is subjective, but I would literally never go SRAM because of their awful designs. Their cranks look so generic, and the derailleurs look terrible. The chrome/silver on the shifters is awful (the ones that are just black are fine). Campag, otoh, is beautiful. I still prefer Shimano tho.
The functionality and reliability of Shimano is 2nd to Campagnolo. Full stop.
@@unairamos74 I don't care about Campa- don't want to have special tools and skills when maintaining Campa stuff. In have Di2 on my Aeroad, full satisfied with shifting speed and reliability, and will buy new U Di2 equipped bike, so I can use same tools. ( admittedly I like how eTap group looks- more compact).
@@TheOkinawaBoy yes, DI2 is so simple and easy to repair or service!
I have had a buggar of a time with my 9170 brakes. If they fix those - it is worth the cost right there!
I see most of the bike reviews start with what nice colour they have. So Shimano ( and others) could offer custom components’ colours to match bikes.
Not really keen on the colour/finish of the crank spider/chainrings, but I bet it rides smoothly. Where did you get that rear wheel stand from?
Great video thank you. Regarding the groupset it looks very low end and poorly finished in the close up shots. Is it painted alloy?
Hi David, great review as always! First off I'd like a silver version which would hide scratches and scuffs better than the black one.
Did I hear you correctly saying there would be a Di2 rim brake version of Dura Ace and Ultegra? can you confirm that?
I haven't heard that anywhere else, I've only seen the disk version reviewed and spoken about.
This is possibly the last time it'll have rim brakes as the market for rim brakes is shrinking. Partly this is because brands are choosing not to make rim brake bikes, but it f people were buying them they would still make and design them!
Aren’t they the previous series rotors? The new series is coming with the xtr rotors if I’m not mistaken - which look quite different to the very nice black rotors on this bike. Wondering about the rationale and performance difference?
I'm not sure about the crank ether. I do like the brake hoods. Shimano has always put out a beautiful product. Nothing heart-thumping like Campagnolo though.
Crankset changes were made for power meter accuracy issues with asymmetric 9100 crankset
Fair play to Shimano for sticking with cup and cones hubs.
Nice groupset and nice review. I have another question: how is the new Orbea Orca Aero like to ride???
It’s blimmin’ fast is my immediate impression
Thank U
@@davidarthur can you ride it so fast that nobody seeing those ugly attachments?
Haha I can try my best!!
Hi David, could you tell me if this is the Giro Chrono Pro Neoshell or the Alpha? Thanks.
may i know what brand is the bicycle stand? its freaking cool
Yeah, not the best looking for a totl groupset. Very traditional. But the shifting performance of the front derailleur does seems amazing!
Dura Ace used to justify part of the price difference with it's more polished finish. Sad that they don't spend the time/money making it look nicer especially considering that it wouldn't affect weight or performance
Yea I’m buying it because it’s polished
That chain is so thin.....less pin to roller bearing surface, less pin to plate bearing surface. Wonder what the service life of the 12 spd chain will be..?
Overall, I really like what they've done. Much more than Sram.
@@noahhalbfoster6892 That's pretty good service life. Valuable bit
of information. Thanks
Cheers
What happens when shifting out the saddle on an incline, front and rear?
Haha, Coates and Tunnel hse hill! Rode them myself earlier this week ;-) I wonder what availability is of new G/set? Just tried to get Shimano Genuine pads this week from LBS and told they won't be any in the country until next April! :-(
Is that chain missing half its links? Rear derailleur looks like it's about to ping off into the distance.
Hi I recently got the 12sp di2 Ultegra & it’s incredible. Just wondering does anyone know when a left side powermeter crank is available ? Any make will do as I miss the power figure’s !
Are Dura Ace and Ultegra groupsets 100% interchangeable / compatible? Dura Ace / Ultegra levers are the exact same shape, correct? I will likely get full Ultegra groupset for the value, but I want the Dura Ace 54/40 chainrings. I just have to wait for the chainrings to be available to purchase separately, right?
Also, the Dura Ace caliper is mono-body now vs Ultegra which is still two-piece. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this aspect. Are the Dura Ace calipers worth choosing over Ultegra? Hardly any weight penalty for front mechs, so it's a no-brainer to go Ultegra. Rear mech has the carbon inner lower arm, wonder about the rigidity... Over time as well.
Thanks David, I think it looks smart on that bike.
Could I use the new crankset with my 11-sp Ultegra groupset? I want to have power and this might be a nice way...if the new crankset is ever available separately... Thx.
DA was definitely an evolution, rather than revolution. But thats OK - the gearing etc was already excellent.
I'm more disappointed that ultegra mechanical is gone, but if the market isn't worthwhile then I can't blame Shimano for not doing it.
That chain looks on the edge of too short no ?
First thing I thought too. That rear much cage seems to be sitting far too forward?
Why haven't you reviewed the Factor Ostro Vam bike yet?
And where's the built in bluetooth located? can you have sprint shifters and climbing shifters with these hydraulic hoods? you couldn't with 9100 hydraulic (only the rim version).
What size frame was that Orbea Orca Aero? And how tall are you?
Will you test the new 12speed Ultegra as well?
Hopefully yes as soon as I can get my hands on it
Either I missed it or you didn't talk about shifting under full load which the hyperglide plus is for
I'll talk about that in my next video once I've logged more miles on it
When is this Orbea Aero review coming?
Give me a couple of weeks to get some good rides in on it
@@davidarthur That bike looks very promising and could be my next buy. Can't wait for your review. Big thank you in advance!
Where are the new Dura Ace disk rotors? Those are the old ones.
Shipping 2023. You only get parts of the new DA when you order it these days. Whatever they send you, deal with it. 😂
Would've liked some sexy carbon fibre cranks with this new Dura-Ace groupo.
Hi David, Can i switch my 11 speed dura ace cassette to the new 12 speed cassette? Will it work on a 11 speed dura ace mechanical groupset.
Afraid not you’ll need new shifters and derailleurs too
@@paulmacklin4201 Thanks
Am I missing something or are these the old dura ace discs? The 9200 version is the same as the gravel disc, isn’t it?!
The new groupset uses the XTR rotors yes, but I'm guessing supply issues are the reason for the older R9100 rotors here
So fairly lukewarm reception then. I'd prefer some more highly finished polished sections, or just anything a bit more interesting than this dull black finish, or perhaps something more like that 90's XTR matte grey would be more interesting and more durable...Confirms anyway, I'll be on Campy Record Mechanical rim for the next decade- lighter, cheaper, longer lasting, less batteries...Plus - that nice middle block 15/16/17 tooth progression existed back in Sh 10spd on the 12-27, but was only on the smaller blocks in 11spd in preference to more range on the 11-28- so many riders already know what that feels like, but may have forgotten, it's a nice thing to have for sure.
What about the hyperglide+, does it really make a difference?
I would never want a super aero road bike I spend a lot of money on to look like an ebike!
I still think for my money Ultegra is everything I'd want. Also I think it looks soooo much better than Dura-Ace.
Nice video.
I have a question tough, on the disc rotors:
Any specific reasn why they are from the older generation?
I'd love to put these brakes on my Di2 Ultegra because I'm sick of the constant maintenance and rubbing issues. Any idea if this would be feasible?
It's not, the volume of hydraulic fluid needed is different.
Would much have rathered the charging be done via the front mech so that the cost of the rear (if you crash) would be less!!
Really good point. The front mech would be a lot less vulnerable. Maybe they are future-proofing against use of a 1x system?
I went today to see one live and its really something... Glossy blue version...
Is it just me, or do those hoods look loose on the bars? Or are the hoods wider on the inside than the bar?
Is your saddle a bit high David? Awaits howls of derision and outright abuse.
Aren't they the old disc rotors?
Have Shimano improved the crank spider from breaking?
See DC Rainmaker's launch coverage focused on the power meters. He reckons Shimano have acknowledged the problem and they assert it shouldn't happen any more.
Nice initial review David. Still very disappointed they are discontinuing mechanical though. Some of us appreciate the simplicity and value it offers. By the way, I really do not like that Orbea frame. What were they thinking!
Can you confirm if the new charging port needs a different charger than current di2?
Yes, it's different.
I already must take care of my mobile battery, my laptop battery, my powermeter battery, my garmin battery, my head and backlight battery. I will definitely not add another 4 batts in my life. Besides, I was in Spain cycling 10 days, and the only people with shifting problems were those with a electronic shift. Every other day a new one. 😂
This is a much better looking and performing groupset than your SRAM, should you get it for your Giant TCR, probably yes, but thats for you to decide. What do you think? Let us know in the comments. Until nexttime, stay snazy and keep those great videos coming.
What's that Black box under the downtube?
It's a storage box for your emergency supplies and tools. If you're racing this bike in a UCI-sanctioned event, it needs to be removed.
when are you going to revies the bike?
Soon!
@@davidarthur Thank you! I can't wait for it :D
Would you mind providing me with some measurements of yours and the bike size please? :)
I prefer the look of Campagnolo I thought Shimano would of come out with something truly impressive in the looks department it’s a bit same same.
I just wish campagnolo front shifting wasn't so terrible. Why can't I have looks and performance?!
It’s not, nothing wrong with Campag front shifting, if it’s not right it’s been set up incorrectly
Plus 1 for a silver version. A chrome version actually, like old 7700.
I wonder if 3x will ever be a thing with electronic shifting.
It's a fair point -- if electronic shifting basically solves all FD woes, then why not add a granny gear (marginal weight)? It would probably make the bike lighter overall since you could get use an 11-28 in the rear instead of 11-34 or whatever, while also increasing range, while also improving chainline. Shimano did actually have 3x11 Di2 in the previous generation XTR groupset.
Are U gonna review this bike some time?
Yes! 👍
Those are the old disc rotors and old brake caliper, so braking performances should be even better.
The rotors are the mountain bike xtr ones.
Agree with David - looks do matter (let’s not talk about the ugliness that is this aero vomit Orbea thing lol). And Shimano had decades to improve upon the looks of both the crank and the derailleur as well as the levers. And they didn’t. They kept it standard and rather uneventful (not a bad thing but we’re talking purely looks people!)
I’d venture to say the “old” DA might look a bit better but not by much. The hoods being smaller on the old DA win, these new hoods look massive.
When you look at something sexy and edgy like Record / Super Record and even Chorus, the new DA just looks well... functional, basic, bland and rather Japanese. Boring basically. And that might be the point here. But they could’ve gone with a carbon or carbon weave, added a pinch of color even changed the DA typeface.
Even the last-gen carbon weave Record rear derailleur and carbon weave levers were downright sex when it comes to appearances. And the polished chrome groups from yesteryear will always look better than today’s “make everything black” motif. But that’s the direction of the industry.
Also surprised last-gen DA doesn’t have servo-wave braking tech (my GRX 810 bike does and it does work really well) albeit it’s a new group.
Certainly a great group that will lead the industry in many ways, curious to see what Campagnolo does next...
If you remove the ball sack of this bike it looks really nice though! Function over form, can come in quite handy.
@@Loekie-de-leeuw ball sack might be the killer here. Haha. Not a fan of aero at all. IMHO it’s just a stupid fad that’s made bikes ugly with wind tunnel influenced design over traditional design, but I’m more of a traditionalist. Purely subjective, different people like different things :)
Can anybody comment if new Ultegra di2 levers have a D-fly buttons on the top to control Garmin Edge?
New groupset aside, I love the new Orbea Orca Aero bike.
As someone who works on bikes, I find its technical design intriguing, like the two-piece cockpit (compatible with any handlebar), single-bolt saddle clamp (plus 0 - 25 mm offset by flipping the clamp) and under-stem routing (allows for easy stem length swaps).
If my observations are correct, with a few hardware swaps (no custom work needed), it might be able to run any stem you want.
@@sbccbc7471 I'm with you. As someone who needs a little extra modability to get my best position, these things you mentioned look great. The one piece setups look great on paper, but can make getting your best position ,or running your favorite bars, impossible. And the seat clamp reminds of a reversible clamp I had on an old Cervelo. These, plus the look of the bike, have me intrigued.
These do not look like the updated disc brake rotors. Am I the only person noticing this?
Shame it doesn't match the wheels, as I get mine nxt week
im waiting for 2x29 perfection
SRAM...take notes how good that front mech works
When's the BIKE REVIEWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soooooooooooooon 😅
Even if you have the cash or even if you can afford the Ultegra I checked delay and it was 18 months (for major european importer in France - after-sale market). Also, nobody is going to order any brand bike just to get dura ace quickly (at least they shouldn't).
In my case, I ended up getting Campag Chorus 12 speed, comes in mechanical, is a good price, looks pretty nice overall, greater gear ranges on offer, a bit heavier but most important it is AVAILABLE. I do like the dura ace, and its a very balanced review here but launching a product that you cannot acquire unless all planets happen to be aligned is a failed launch in reality. This scarcity is not a short term issue. You have to think - what if you need a replacement part due to an accident or whatever - good luck? Looks like it will be generally available when SRAM and campag have their own next gen out.
Next near alignment will be on 6th of may 2492.
@@EmanuelFuchs:)