I Bought 2 BROKEN Generac XL Generators - Will They Run?
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- These generators are not in good shape. One had no compression and missing the carburetor and air box. The other is complete, but was let outside for many years. Will they run?
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Generator Model: 09777-2
Engine Model: EHC-00952-2
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Wow! I think PB Blaster should be a sponsor of this video. That was a testament to how well their product works when that butterfly valve was freed up.
I would've never considered opening the valve cover on a small engine until I've been watching your videos. I have learned so much from you. Keep up the good work & videos. This is a great platform. Not only do we learn from you, we also pick up some tricks from your viewers.
At the very least, you need to open the valve covers to adjust valve clearance. Recommendations vary among engine manufacturers as to how often this needs to be done but all engines will need this eventually if not sooner.
My owner's manual advised my walk behind mower could be equipped with an oil filter. Before it mowed a first lawn I installed the kit. Twenty nine years later it is still in service.
That is a great option.
The idle circuit in the carb contributes to the run circuit. If it won’t idle right it won’t run right.
Yes, that is why it was hunting. James, did you run a pick or wire through the idle jet? I'm thinking that the ultrasound bath didn't get it clean, especially if the outside of the carb was dirty going into the bath. I wouldn't have been so ready to replace the carb.
Always love your videos on small engines powered generators, pumps, etc. You take your time to figure things out, which helps everyone who watches.
As always I enjoyed your video. Nice to see an oil filter and someone who knows how to properly install it. Very much appreciate your exclusion of excruciating electro pop music in the fill segments.
i always appreciate how you provide specs when available
I have to agree with you that those 90s Generac Generators were built to last. I've reworked at least 6 of them now from the 4000, 7000, 7550, 8000, and a 12,000 which I kept for myself. I haven't run into anything that was not expected when I got them. They were all repairable (within my limited talents and a little common sense. LOL). I would recommend them to anyone wanting an older dependable generator. "Oldies but goodies".
Impressed the clone carb is working well on this generator @James Condon
If it has an oil filter then it must have a pump, most small horizontal don't have that, very unique
Not only does it have a pump but because it is pressure lubricated the low oil shutdown is based on an oil pressure switch and not a float. Non-running due to pressure switch failure is another common failure mode for these engines. On paper, having pressure lubrication and an oil filter is a good thing but given that there are millions and millions of small engines without them that run for many thousands of hours they don't really appear to add all that much in real life.
I used to have one of these in the early 2000's.. used it to power my welder... Mine actually broke/cracked a rocker arm, making the arm flex under load... Installed a new one and it was running right again...
Watching your video's i learned some tricks about taking care of my generators
Had one today that the same exact thing happened to with the retainer broken in 3 pieces. Thanks James!
thata an awesome idea on the tea ball...i use the same ultrasonic cleaner but i use the actual carb dip solution sold at most auto parts stores yes a bit pricy but can use many many times....and damm ive never seen a retainer fail like that!!!
I used Gunk in the past. Worked well, but the Harbor Freight Super Heavy Duty Degreaser works almost as good, but much less money.
Broken valve spring retainer, never seen that before. I always learn something watching your videos!
We bought a 6500 genny, I think it was around 6-700.00, in the early 90's, when Generac was a company that we had never heard of and Honda genny's were, (the very expensive) king. We bought it to use at the houseboat so it was in a damp environment all the time, cuz we were on the river a lot, spring, summer, fall, and winter,, sometimes weeks at a time. Something went wrong within a week, I can't remember what, so it went to the repair shop under the warranty. We didn't have a problem getting, nor maintaining in touch with Generac or finding a warranty-work repair shop. It was there for about 3 weeks. We were glad that we had it repaired and didn't return it to Home Depot cuz the same (factory defect, I guess)problem happened to a lot of them, according to the repair guy. That Generac genny worked with no problems at all for the next 10 years. It was fine even when some fool checked the gasoline level with a Bic lighter and caught it and his jacket on fire. The only damage done was to the fools jacket. Nowadays, I have seen reviews on a wide range of products covered by what appears to be GREAT warranties, but the people are either waiting on the phone forever and not getting satisfactory answers or having the warranty company flat out telling them that there was nothing that they can do, even when it should be covered. This was on home appliances. Some of them never answered the phone calls at all.
👍 Danke fürs Hochladen!
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👍 Very good and beautiful, thank you!
👍 Sehr gut und schön, danke!
The old rusty generator engine looked like it had been looked after as the internals looked in much better condition than the nice shinny one.
Kind of enjoyed the oily mess. Now that's how things work when I do it. No matter where you put the drain pan, it always seems to be just a little bit off.
Same here 🤣🤣
Me too, 9 out of 10 times I always spill both the dirty AND clean oil and make a mess!
Me too. That is why I usually put cardboard down. Always spilling oil on the floor.
Glad that clone carb worked out and GREAT tip from Steve with the tea ball to keep the small parts together and easy to retrieve from the ultrasonic!
Jim, Rance here. I have a generac xl4000 generator. Have had it since 1999. I keep very good care of it, drain tank and carb and change oil and filter and leave gas cap open to allow any small any of gas to evaporate and moisture to escape.. I agree with you this is one of the best generators I have seen. have put hundreds of hours on it, uses no oil, starts by the 2nd pull. I live on Ms coast (hurricane and storm central). I was proud to see you with these generators. Whoever gets it will more than get there moneys worth. Hope they realize what they have and treat it as I would.. I’ve only seen one other gen set you’ve had that I saw was comparable. That was the Yamaha blue gen e-start. I think it was 5000 watt.
Yes, that Yamaha was very well built like the Generac XL series. Sounds like you take good care of it.
Wow at that valve spring can't say I have ever seen that happen before were is the spring seat @2:49 @James Condon
You are a lucky man to have ALL thow kinds of Generator.
You must to have dune Small Engion Repair in the past. you doing a great job with it.
Where have you been in recent years?
@@droceretik Smoking weed and Bitch slap Biden cupel times lol.
I sure enjoy your videos, I will never repair an engine or generator, but it’s a lot of fun watching you do it. Thank you.
Hey James, I was really surprised the clone carb worked so well. I've never really had good luck using the clones myself but glad it worked out for you. This may make me take another chance on one in the future. Thanks for another great video, really enjoy watching all of 'em you do.
Wow! So lucky that valve retainer didn't shatter into pieces! Great video. Thank you.
The General 4000x is the exact generator I bought a Craftsman 4200 watt in 1998. You inspired me to pull it out after it sat for a year since I started it. It started on the first pull and ran perfectly under load as well. It has been a great generator other than some surging and running only on half choke some years back. I put in a carb rebuild kit and it has run perfect since. It's interesting that you use the choke when running out the gas. I just shut off the gas supply but in the future will do the choke also. This old generator ran for 5 days non-stop from our hurricane. It powered my fridge, my small chest freezer, several lights, a fan, my big screen TV and DVD player without problem. I'm pretty sure it was maxed out power wise, but it worked well. It also did the same for another 5 days when Texas had that prolonged power outage several winters ago. I hope it continues to work well. I do change the oil and filters.
The washer of the wheel goes on the outside, or the pin will eat up the plastic wheel.
Makes sense. That was a spacer to keep the wheel from rubbing on the frame, but will add a washer.
I use the tea balls all the time in the Ultrasonic cleaner, great invention.
I’m looking forward to the rebuild of the rough looking generator. I too am impressed with the fact the 4000XL series has an oil filter. I purchased a Generac 6500XP about 5 years ago and while I like the generator, it would have been great if it had an oil filter. Thank you for great video.
Be careful about getting a generac 4000xl as not all of them come with an oil filter. My dad bought one in 1999 and it didn’t have the filter. I ordered the filter bracket assembly and gasket and am going to put it in this summer. I ran that generator back in 2004 and 2017 for about 72 hours each time and changed the oil after the 3 days. I have another 8000watt 1989 sears generator I got from a relative that required a new regulator back in 2014. That one is great as its twin cylinder and very heavy with an oil filter. It even handles the lights ,refrigerator and central air conditioner 42000 btu . Just not electric stove and water heater. In a pinch I can turn the ac off and run the water heater. I have a propane grill with side burner for cooking if needed or use one top burner in the house on the stove. The 8kw uses 1 gallon gas an hour and the 4kw uses about 1/2 gallon an hour. So both are pretty economical to run during an outage.
Hi James enjoyed sitting in your class today You hit lucky on this project mate looking forward to seeing the another one running too James
Looks like the generator with the Valve spring Issue is a good unit nice work @James Condon
James, I have been going through your videos and think they are excellent. I have learned a lot -- I have done a few small engines, but never the generator side - which I now need. You have really helped me grow my understanding of portable generator mechanics - measuring the Hz and Load was by itself hugely helpful - seems obvious now that I know, but just didn't think of it - your observations of issues by subtle changes to engine sound and idle behavior are also very insightful for me. Please keep it up, content much appreciated!
Hi James, have you thought about getting a bigger / more powerful ultrasonic cleaner? I upgraded to an eBay unit, 6 Liters, 3 transducers, built-in heating. It's brought every single carb dumped into it back to life in perfect working order. I use Chem-dip, 50C temperature, 30 minute cycle. Makes quite a bit of noise when working!! Can't help but think most of the carbs you replace can be brought back to life.
Otherwise, cheers! Really enjoy your content. Thank you!
Think about it all the time. Been waiting for mine to die, but it keeps running.
I had this model back in the day and it had the exact same problem. There is a re-designed retainer and keeper you can get for this engine that wont fail.
Interesting video, thanks.
Glad this clone carb worked better than the last. Sounds really good now.
I have a Generac 7000EXL which I purchased around 2008. So far only normal maintenance. I finally had to replace the starting battery last year. I got many years of use from the original battery.
This machine got me through super storm Sandy in 2012 where we lost power for 7 days and many local power outages from minutes to a couple of days.
I look forward to seeing if you can get the other unit working.
Dave.
Sandy was a fun one. We lost power for about 5 days. At one point thought all the windows were going to blow out.
I look forward to your Videos, it's not so intimidating after watching you work on your generators,
I feel I can work on generators too.
That clone carb you recommended: "Currently unavailable."
Seems your video has resulted in them all being gobbled up! :)
shows in stock today 7/9
Amazon has them as 2 day delivery !
Clone carbs are a good option usually when you can't get original carburetor going after cleaning. I always mark the month, year, and number of hours on oil filter when changing.
I saw you use a tea ball in your ultrasonic cleaner and thought "brilliant!". I use my cleaner in my watch hobby where everything is small / tiny and the tea ball is perfect for that. Two are now on the slow-boat to me. Thanks for your videos.
The tea ball works great for all those little parts.
when i first seen that carb i didn't think it would run at all
Makes two of us
Well the spring on the intake vlv was a first for me
Oh yeah another generator Episode sweet @James Condon
Fabulous diagnosis for sure. Runs like a top now. Thanks for the tip on the clone carb. I am gonna have to get a few carbs for my stuff soon. Thanks for the videos.
That PB blaster helped a lot with getting things off. That stuff is some good shit.
Yes. First time I tried it to free a needle and it worked quickly.
Killer save, I'm discovering that this is a real common issue with the generators and try to keep the videos coming, I forward them to my associates who are experiencing issues otherwise it is like the old days when I found myself attempting to "FIX ALL"! Screw that!😉😉🤣🤣
Nice work as always James, glad that clone carb worked well, looking forward to the video on the other generator!
Nice job!! Hopefully, the new valve system works better. I've got a clone carb coming for my Scorpion 2500 watt generator that was given to me by a friend.
I suggest putting the axle washers on the outside, with the clips.
Really well done! Good save, looking forward to the other one👍👍👍
I had the 5000W version of this same generator, when I got it, it had well over 1000 hours on it and it was still going strong I paid $100 for it, used it for about 8 years and end up re-selling it for $50, definitely paid for itself over the years, now I have a Hyundai 7250W generator and it’s the second best generator I’ve ever owned.
I have one of these generators and it needs a carb kit but finding parts is not easy!
OMG! You have so much patience to examine, clean, and restore dead stuff. At 11:28 I would immediately throw that piece of junk away and buy a new one. I've seen most of your videos and what amazes me is that when you encounter a seemingly unsolvable problem, you just laugh at it while I would be cursing my a.. off. You have the passion I guess
The drop in quality since the 90s (which were themselves a drop in quality from earlier) is nothing short of amazing. It is definitely worth fixing this, even if it costs a lot assuming you are the end user and it's not for re-sale.
@@tarstarkusz this is not what I was talking about. My point was that if I saw a carburetor like that one, I would've bought a new one instead of trying to revive it.
@@chrisivanchev Oh. I thought you meant the whole generator.
Also, I question that water and degreaser n his ultrasonic cleaner. Gunk Parts Cleaner with basket is the right stuff, also having a cleaner with a heater would be better too. You can use it over and over. It just works a lot better.
@@tarstarkusz seriously, I don't know and I've never used it but I might give it a try if it's not too expensive. So far, I've been using the orthodox methods with better results than that 'ultrasonic' stuff.
Thanks Chris. Gunk works well, but it is expensive. That carb was bad, but it did come apart and cleaned up (sorta). Enough to test the engine and generator head before spending any money on it. Most carbs will cleanup just fine without an ultrasonic. The one I have is probably the cheapest one money can buy. Just imagine what a good one can do.
I am impressed that you took it to 75% capacity. IT seemed to hold it rather well, with the clone carb. I do believe it is the Idle Valve that is the problem. I don't remember seeing you take it out and clean it.
I could be wrong though.
I missed the idle jet. Ended up finding it and cleaning it and tested again on the other generator.
Nice video Mr. Condon! I've had some success using a CLR solution in the ultrasonic one go round before using a solvent solution. It seems to work well for me on those really crusty carbs.
Have you seen Steve's (Steve's Small Engine Saloon) trick of putting parts in a zip-lock bag with the cleaning solution and putting water in the ultrasonic cleaner? It may be a good option if you use something other than your usual cleaning solution.
@@larrysmall3521 Thanks Mr. Larry. I've only used plain water in my cleaner and use wide mouth pickle jars, etc., with the particular solution I want to use. Most solutions can be reused several times after filtering out the solid debris ( I use coffee filters)
Interesting these engines have Oil Filters @30:10 @James Condon
Nice job
Thank you so much for your great presentation.
Learned a lot, as in the cross reference for oil filter, parts cleaner technique and more.
Recently picked a 4000XL missing carb and air filter housing for $35. Waiting for clone carb to see if it will run.
Looking for a cheap air box cover!
The airbox cover was the most expensive part. Thought about 3D printing one because the cost was a bit ridiculous.
Like you said.....the XL line of gennys were well made. I was surprised to see an oil filter on 4k model. I remember a few of your past videos where you worked on larger Generac XL models and they ran great. It'll be awesome to see your video on the donor model once you get it up and running. Fingers crossed. Nice job as always. Almost forgot to mention that I was happy the clone worked so well.
Thanks for sharing Jame 🦘🇦🇺👍
Nice job 👍 looking forward to seeing the next video on the other generator.
It's such a sad state of affairs that these are likely WAY better built than anything new today on the consumer market. Well worth saving both. They probably both weigh twenty pounds more than a 2021 model of the same power and KW specifications. The head is probably much better built too.
Another great fix James. Many thanks for the video.
Great job fixing! Always on the hunt for a 2nd 7000EXL. Always wanted to try and parallel them together running a single load. Just to be able to do it not really a need.
I like these generators. Hopefully will pick up some more like these. Also enjoy watching your videos and your posts on SmokStak!
@@jcondon1. I was watching you 4000xl video and noticed the valve keeper failing. What is the kit part number you ordered that upgrades the valve keepers ? I have a 4000xl and 4000exl plus a 5500xl . I want to replace the valve keepers and don’t mind buying the whole kit to do it. One keeper on the 5500 came loose like in your video but wasn’t broken so I just reseated it. Now I know from your video that the design is flawed and especially want to replace the 4000xl keepers as that was originally my father’s with low hours I used in two storms. I watched the video again and saw the part number OD24890ESV this time
Looking fwd to the next revival, and the revival on the 2nd orange Generac as well. Great job again. Oh, and the shop is looking good and dried out too.:-)
Got it dried up in 48 hours.
The valves coming apart like that is a common issue on these machines, I owned a few at one time, There are 2 versions as well, one with the oil filter one without, The one with the filter needs an oil change every 25 hrs and without a filter its the standard 50 hrs for oil, the little oil pressure switches are also known to go bad
I had one years ago that had that same retainer issue James . I found they had a recall on them as well as the fuel tank . I have another one in the back yard with a broken retainer but I need to get the kit and pull the head so I can put the different style valves in it like I did the last one .. I like those Generators they work well and put out good power .. Thanks , ENJOYED !!
I have an extra retainer. Maybe a trade for the champion meter? I replied to your email. Did you get it?
@@jcondon1 No , I will give you the meter . I never got you Emails ..Did you get mine ??
@@shawnmrfixitlee6478 I got your email and replied to it. Maybe it went into your junk folder?
@@jcondon1 Send me another one right now And see if I get it .. shawnmrfixit@hotmail.com
Hey James welcome back!
U.K. Excellent video as always. It does no harm to change the oil at least once a year even if the hours are low. It's also a good idea to fit a good magnet to the drain plug - if you can. If you can't then put a magnet on the end of the drain plug outside it should magnetise the plug a bit. I do like your videos James, great stile and from a 'Limey' that's unusual to an American. Keep well and don't forget your jab. I've had two and feel like a new woman. Regards - John.
This has nothing to do with generators but, Gawd, I love British humor. Been to GB a few times and miss going to the pub, having a pint (or 2 or 3...), and just talking to everyone. Always great fun! Cheers!
Way to go Doc., that's a good generator for someone.
Thanks Larry
I usually have good results from clone carbs. I got one a couple days ago for 7hp B&S on a Craftsman tiller. Idle jet too large. Over fueling. No adjustments. Runs poorly.
The old carb was oxidized nearly to death. Serious white crusts from sitting with water and old fuel in it for years. Frozen needle. With much work, got the old carb working. but not perfect. Still working on what I can do for this tiller.
If you got it on Amazon, just send it back and try again. Eventually you will get a good one. If you really want to get into it, you can solder the idle jet shut and then drill it out to a smaller size.
@@throwbo It was a kit that included a new air filter and hoses. All for right at $20. Not worth the time and effort to send back. The solder idea sounds good. Might try that. Thanks.
You sir, are the "Generator Wisperer"
Try soaking the Carby's in Evaporust - It may remove all the rust and you know you are doing my OCD head in when you attached the rusty handle to a nice frame :-)
Great work again be safe. Thanks for the help
Was that a Fram oil filter?Surprised that you used that!!!
That was a generac filter. But did use a Fram on the other.
PB Blaster is good but Liquid Wrench is the very best. Reference Project Farm testing.
Nicely done James. Noticed the jacket (sweater) so you must have started awhile back on this one. Do you have a pipeline of projects to keep the content coming? You have doubled subscribers since I found you, congratulations, well overdue. Can you give followers an insight as to how you obtain and sell them. We all wish we could do this like you do but realize it's easier watching you work your magic.
Yes, this was probably made in early May. Have a few in the queue, which is probably a good thing. Have not found a generator in about 3 weeks. Some weeks I get more then I can handle. Also back to work full time. I used to publish twice a month, but working from home due to COVID allowed me to publish weekly. At some point might need to scale back. Most I find on eBay and Marketplace.
My OCD is going nutz, what about the other generator! Fix it ..
James, were you ever able to remove and clean the emulsion tube? Although ultrasonic cleaners do a great job, they don't work well when passages are completely clogged. I have a high-quality sweep frequency ultrasonic cleaner, a SharperTek XPD360-6L, but I always use carburetor cleaner, brushes, and shop air first. By the way, thanks for your suggestion: using a tea ball infuser for small parts.
Really enjoy the 2 v 1 videos. These from the same owner? I comment you for trying the save that carb. Clone Carbs for Clone engines always work well for me.
I wonder if the keeper broke bc people don’t think idle down/slow down the generator before cutting it off.
Not the same owner originally. I have a contact locally who flips a lot of equipment and he had these generators. Not something he wanted to deal with. The Honda clone carbs always work for me on Honda clone engines. Not sure what caused the failure. The valve retainer lasted nearly 25 years, but from what I can tell it is a common problem. Thinking poor design or materials.
I just clicked the link it's available!
Excellent work! Keep it up.
Another nice job! Can the handle be made to fold down?
Not that one. Would need to buy or fabricate something else.
Not criticism, Jim, but I would have thought that you would have cleaned up the metal parts for the wheel kit before installation.
Great vid again but I did cringe a bit, the valve spring retainer has its strongest point in the centre solid section, I noticed this was not the case as you had this retainer with the slot at 9:45 and not 9:30?? great vidio again, enjoyed, regards from Valencia Spain. Alec
THKS
Great Video. Very informative.
So much fun!
You should do a video on how you find all these cheap generators my area has none ever for any sort of deal. Do you find them on marketplace or what is your secret?
Marketplace, Craigslist, eBay. Also have meet a few people locally who flip equipment and get stuff from them like these two.
i like watching your videos...you are very relaxing, but when that torque wrench comes out? i get blood pressure lol
Another great video... Thanks
Great Video.👍
If that a Briggs vanguard series 2 to 4 thousands is it same on mine I set mine for 4. 2 is just too tight in my opinion
I like watching your work, i was given a generac standby generator that has a bad stator or rotor and will not turn over... i would be glad to give it to you if you might be interested... i dont know where you are located and am not sure what it would take to get it to you ...
Unless you are in the Northeast US, probably would be too expensive to ship.
@@jcondon1 i would hate to take the generator to sell for scrap... if you could pick it up at a freight dock in your area .. it can be pretty cheap.... if you want me to check .. i wouldnt mind shipping it... i am in the houston area...
Hi James, what if the generator runs great for about a minute or two then dies, no idle control and no load. It does the exact same thing with the oil pressure switch disconnected. I have fuel flow and I just installed the same carb you installed. Wondering if the governor or something needs to be adjusted.
I'm curious as to why you didn't test the ugly one before you started taking parts off just to determine if the power out put was working .
I should of. I thought going into it that the generator with no compression would be a parts machine and assumed I could easily replace that valve retainer.
I got one of thease it wont spark unless you unhook the plug behind the carb do you know wht could cause this thanks
Another's awesome video sir.
Was that air filter installed backwars?
That is exactly what happened to my 4000xl.
Think it is a common problem. Where you able to fix it?
@@jcondon1 yes. Was able to source a new one.