I think early in your career you need the critic to validate what your are doing is good as you described. Mid-career you need critic to help you figure out what potential clients are looking for. I find there is work you do for yourself and then there is work that is "commercial", essentially tailored to put food on the table by targeting potential clients' tastes. There are some that say you should do your own style and clients will find you, but there is practically of staying in business long enough for that to happen. You both have great chemistry of screen. It is fun to watch you interact.
Peter and Bec are the best things that came out of the pandemic, since that's when I discovered this channel. I really wish I could attend Los Angeles (or Las Vegas when I think that was a possibility at one time). Alas, my recent employer was on the leading edge of the layoff wave in the tech industry, so I've been looking since May. Some day, if you make it back here, I hope to attend.
State of mind is what I'm completely relating to right now. I had nothing scheduled for today and a model I work with messaged me about doing another shoot with her soon. She mentioned a shot we did about a month ago that I just didn't like at all at that time so I just left it alone, this got me thinking I should look at it again. I seen it today in a completely different way I did a month ago and I'm working on it now. Just in my own way of looking at my personal work changing is an example of why I don't like hearing many people critiquing other photographers work. It seems most are already in a negative mind set to look and find all the things they think are wrong instead of what the photographer did right.
Oh Bec, I feel you with the vaping thing. I bought a slab of 500ml bottles of water last week and have been drinking one a day to try and offset my Pepsi Max addiction. I'm not drinking any less Pepsi Max, but it's a start 😂 It's taken me this many episodes to say that I'm really loving this podcast for what it is. Unfiltered Peter and Bec are a delight to listen to, regardless the topic of the current minute. Never a dull moment!
Peter, repeat after me,,, Can-a-da not Can-eh-dia... LOL, love your podcasts, demonstrative uploads, photos and seeing the interaction with Bec(#notamodel), and the models. Cheers from Windsor, Ontario
I got caught smoking by my gran when I was 8 and she made me eat a full packet of 10 I’m now 64 and have never smoked anything since. In this day and age she would be reported for child cruelty lm so pleased she taught me a lesson I’ve never regretted.
Good topic at 8 minutes. When you do a test shoot. How do you go about image selection? Do you first do a pre selection (and what do you look out for during this pre selection) and than have the model pick from that? Do you just pick the images without letting the model pick? How do you go about selecting the image/images during a test shoot/collaboration shoot. How many images usually get selected/retouched from a test shoot?
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer Its been getting a bit wierd since i started doing more research on the subject. I have found many many long time professional photographers that will offer like 15-20 images and sometimes even more, i don't get how they can edit that many in a profitable way for most of the time a few hundred dollars, or like 150 dollars even (that includes the shoot itself + the editing of the 15-20 images..) Myself i deliver maybe 5 "the best" images that i worked on it for 2 weeks. I don't get how they always make 15-20 different images that are on the same level and the editing time must be insane, there is just no way
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer I saw ep 7 , how you go about image selection and how many images a model gets etc did not come up. Is there anything on inspire about this subject?
Sadly, my childish mind first though of Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck.. 🙂 You're habit thoughts about missing twice are spot on with exercise. Sticking to it is so important.
Well, she still does a pretty dam* good job for being "not a model" 😉 And when you mentioned 75% of the wine and three dozen bottles, it hardly phased her and she corrected your book-keeping error. ;) And all the convo about different foods/dishes was a little more riveting than you might otherwise think. Now, I'll be looking up some of the ones I haven't heard of. ;) Have a pleasant new week.
Hi Peter, Bec: The podcasts and Inspire rants/talks have been great. Entertaining and fun, but also peppered with some really good insights. The one on "soft" versus "sharp" was just excellent. Fantastic examples. Two questions: Which Veruschka book is that (I recognize the Kate book), and please tell about the photo behind the desk.
Thanks Phil www.amazon.com/Veruschka-Collection-Vera-von-Lehndorff/dp/2759402967 and the picture in the background is of Natascha - was shot for the launch of a new Hasselblad CAMERA many years ago here's the link to the photo www.peter-coulson.com.au/woman-ii/Natascha_1283/
Many thanks for this new podcast. This is the funniest video you have shared in this public internet channel! @Bec: you are bursting out laughing. if you laugh the way you do in here, you will never be alone. You laugh like a little girl. -- I like a lot the physical distribution of you both with a little more physical distance between each other, because it is closest to a “round table”, and this help the audience to be virtually part of the session sit around the same table, because you make room for us, like being with you. Other aspect, to take into account is that your necks can be seen. In a conversion, it is important to make it visible; the human voice doesn’t only imply facial muscles (mouth, eyes …), but also the muscles and the tendons in the neck. -- We cannot ignore the lady, behind you, on the canvas, on the wall, who is she? You should introduce her, because, in some way, she is also part of the podcast, part of the round table. -- @Bec: "Hi guys" is your trademark, you are right. -- Negligible sound of the rain, it is not a problem at all. In any case, I like the rain a lot. I live in a semi-desert area. -- I admire the way you can keep the conversation without interrupting or overlapping each other or without raise the voice to bring attention. -- @Bec: your best phrase: “I learned something but I just can’t remember what I learned”. This is the most honest phrase I have heard this week. -- @Peter: you must tell us about the list of rules that you set upon yourself to get your brain in a really good mood for creating. -- @Peter: your best phrases: “all these podcasts and books I’m listening to is just to analyse Bec” and “… one of the things that I’ve learned in four and a half years from Bec is if you repeat anything three times it gets really really annoyed” @Bec: you don’t need to be fixed. -- @Peter: very interesting the comments about breaking bad habits. -- @Bec: These podcast are revealing very interested sides of yourself that were hidden in the backstage sessions. @Peter: I don’t see you as an assistant, but as a special assistant. I remember when I watched the video about how you met Bec and why you hired her (the video where Bec was asking how to say “hi” in Canadian); that session was never sufficient. Now I can understand her real value. I think these podcast sessions are going to the right direction. -- @Bec: I believe you when you say your BF is a very patient man, as he should be. As a compensation he has the reward of being with you. -- @Peter & @Bec: Related to “model” versus “not a model”, many thanks for the explanations. My view is that there is a big difference between the formal term (fashion and commercial) and a more free concept. For me, a Model is a woman who is willing to pose in front of a camera, who is willing to share her beauty, who is willing to allow the photographer to capture some milliseconds of her beauty, who is proud enough to do all of these and be happy. Whether the photographs are going to be used for fashion or commercial purposes, for me, is not relevant at all. Other point to consider is the meaning of beauty, that I also have a more free concept. I find it difficult to adopt standards. @Peter: I am really happy to hear that the old style is coming back, to tell a story in the photos. @Peter: You are great when you say: “…I got sick and tired of people making me do stuff I don’t like…” I don’t consider you as a photographer either as your primary role, I think photography for you is just a (master) channel to depict your way of thinking. -- BTW: I haven’t taken photographs for a long time, just the moonrise in the beach during the night, but don’t worry, I am identifying the locations for the new BW photographs that are coming.
Hello Peter and Bec. I have questions for you : on the European tour,: - what was the difference between students of each country. - What you prefer and "hate" the more. - do you had a lot of female newbies photographers? Thank you for your answer in a special "workshop" TH-cam postcast. 😊😊 And What about the idea to make a podcast with two girls in the pics and learn us your technics about light on two body in the same picture. 2 lights from the same area on 2 body. And 2 lights from opposite side on 2 bodies. Thank you very much And thank for your workshop in Paris. 💋💋T.
Hi Tiffany, there is no one that we 'hate', but we found we prefer people who find us through TH-cam as they are more interested in learning photography than just shooting pretty girls, and we also definitely do not get enough female photographers coming :) thank you for the suggestion, we will add it to our list
Thanks so much John, as it's a podcast the mic's are there to optimise sound for people listening as audio only, the video is only here so we can also share it to TH-cam
shooting photos for yourself is fine, but if you dont or cant please others, youll end up out of business... Ozark! amazing oh my word. im not going to give you any spoilers but when ONE GUY was killed for no reason, i was so depressed. Breaking Bad! amazing and of course Better Call Saul too and whats wrong with watching drag racing? its way better than roundy-round stock car racing. not sure about the 4-across races yet
How do you take photos for others when you don't know what others like but you do know what you like so you should take photos for what you like and they'll be a percentage of the world that has the same taste as you, thanks for your comment
Yeah my comment wasn't about shooting for clients it was about shooting for your own folio and what you show the world so you get booked for your style, of course when you're shooting for a client your gonna shoot what they want.
We all need an assistant like Bec in our life. I don't have one, but I have interviews at the local lunatic asylum, so I'm quite hopeful. lol
I think early in your career you need the critic to validate what your are doing is good as you described. Mid-career you need critic to help you figure out what potential clients are looking for. I find there is work you do for yourself and then there is work that is "commercial", essentially tailored to put food on the table by targeting potential clients' tastes. There are some that say you should do your own style and clients will find you, but there is practically of staying in business long enough for that to happen.
You both have great chemistry of screen. It is fun to watch you interact.
Thanks heaps Harry
Peter and Bec are the best things that came out of the pandemic, since that's when I discovered this channel. I really wish I could attend Los Angeles (or Las Vegas when I think that was a possibility at one time). Alas, my recent employer was on the leading edge of the layoff wave in the tech industry, so I've been looking since May. Some day, if you make it back here, I hope to attend.
Thanks so much Tim, we'll be back in the states again next year and hope to see you there :)
Watched them all get better...this was pretty good...good work!
Thanks a ton!
State of mind is what I'm completely relating to right now. I had nothing scheduled for today and a model I work with messaged me about doing another shoot with her soon. She mentioned a shot we did about a month ago that I just didn't like at all at that time so I just left it alone, this got me thinking I should look at it again. I seen it today in a completely different way I did a month ago and I'm working on it now. Just in my own way of looking at my personal work changing is an example of why I don't like hearing many people critiquing other photographers work. It seems most are already in a negative mind set to look and find all the things they think are wrong instead of what the photographer did right.
exactly 😊
Oh Bec, I feel you with the vaping thing. I bought a slab of 500ml bottles of water last week and have been drinking one a day to try and offset my Pepsi Max addiction.
I'm not drinking any less Pepsi Max, but it's a start 😂
It's taken me this many episodes to say that I'm really loving this podcast for what it is. Unfiltered Peter and Bec are a delight to listen to, regardless the topic of the current minute. Never a dull moment!
So happy you like them
Peter, repeat after me,,, Can-a-da not Can-eh-dia... LOL, love your podcasts, demonstrative uploads, photos and seeing the interaction with Bec(#notamodel), and the models. Cheers from Windsor, Ontario
I'm glad you enjoy what we do 😊
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer Watching a true artist at work can be nothing but enjoyable. You and Bec always bring on a smile to this grumpy old man..
The ozarks really is one of the best shows like that since the sopranos
I got caught smoking by my gran when I was 8 and she made me eat a full packet of 10 I’m now 64 and have never smoked anything since. In this day and age she would be reported for child cruelty lm so pleased she taught me a lesson I’ve never regretted.
That was the quickest 55 minutes ever. More please.
Thanks every Friday 😊
Great episode!!!
Thank you
33.33 shear magic ... Rolling around on the floor
Okay… so Peter said do this, Bec said don’t do this… #notamodel….
You’ll get the dollar in September! LOL
All this talk of food is killing my diet ... LOL😆🤣
Good topic at 8 minutes. When you do a test shoot. How do you go about image selection? Do you first do a pre selection (and what do you look out for during this pre selection) and than have the model pick from that? Do you just pick the images without letting the model pick? How do you go about selecting the image/images during a test shoot/collaboration shoot. How many images usually get selected/retouched from a test shoot?
I will talk about this in ep 7
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer Oh nice! Looking forward.
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer Its been getting a bit wierd since i started doing more research on the subject. I have found many many long time professional photographers that will offer like 15-20 images and sometimes even more, i don't get how they can edit that many in a profitable way for most of the time a few hundred dollars, or like 150 dollars even (that includes the shoot itself + the editing of the 15-20 images..)
Myself i deliver maybe 5 "the best" images that i worked on it for 2 weeks.
I don't get how they always make 15-20 different images that are on the same level and the editing time must be insane, there is just no way
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer I saw ep 7 , how you go about image selection and how many images a model gets etc did not come up. Is there anything on inspire about this subject?
@@trancer03 Sorry I got confused with episode numbers, it will be in the next one
Sadly, my childish mind first though of Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck.. 🙂 You're habit thoughts about missing twice are spot on with exercise. Sticking to it is so important.
Bec is a lot more than just a model. If we have time in September, I'd love to photograph Bec the person #notamodel
Oh… I’d love to do a radical trash-the-dress emo wedding shoot with Bec!
Well, she still does a pretty dam* good job for being "not a model" 😉 And when you mentioned 75% of the wine and three dozen bottles, it hardly phased her and she corrected your book-keeping error. ;) And all the convo about different foods/dishes was a little more riveting than you might otherwise think. Now, I'll be looking up some of the ones I haven't heard of. ;) Have a pleasant new week.
SUPER !
Many thanks!!
Hi Peter, Bec: The podcasts and Inspire rants/talks have been great. Entertaining and fun, but also peppered with some really good insights. The one on "soft" versus "sharp" was just excellent. Fantastic examples. Two questions: Which Veruschka book is that (I recognize the Kate book), and please tell about the photo behind the desk.
Thanks Phil www.amazon.com/Veruschka-Collection-Vera-von-Lehndorff/dp/2759402967 and the picture in the background is of Natascha - was shot for the launch of a new Hasselblad CAMERA many years ago here's the link to the photo www.peter-coulson.com.au/woman-ii/Natascha_1283/
What, Bec is a Rebel at Heart!!! LOL!
Yes
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer She is a Capricorn!!! LOL
Many thanks for this new podcast. This is the funniest video you have shared in this public internet channel!
@Bec: you are bursting out laughing. if you laugh the way you do in here, you will never be alone. You laugh like a little girl.
--
I like a lot the physical distribution of you both with a little more physical distance between each other, because it is closest to a “round table”, and this help the audience to be virtually part of the session sit around the same table, because you make room for us, like being with you.
Other aspect, to take into account is that your necks can be seen. In a conversion, it is important to make it visible; the human voice doesn’t only imply facial muscles (mouth, eyes …), but also the muscles and the tendons in the neck.
--
We cannot ignore the lady, behind you, on the canvas, on the wall, who is she? You should introduce her, because, in some way, she is also part of the podcast, part of the round table.
--
@Bec: "Hi guys" is your trademark, you are right.
--
Negligible sound of the rain, it is not a problem at all. In any case, I like the rain a lot. I live in a semi-desert area.
--
I admire the way you can keep the conversation without interrupting or overlapping each other or without raise the voice to bring attention.
--
@Bec: your best phrase: “I learned something but I just can’t remember what I learned”. This is the most honest phrase I have heard this week.
--
@Peter: you must tell us about the list of rules that you set upon yourself to get your brain in a really good mood for creating.
--
@Peter: your best phrases: “all these podcasts and books I’m listening to is just to analyse Bec” and “… one of the things that I’ve learned in four and a half years from Bec is if you repeat anything three times it gets really really annoyed”
@Bec: you don’t need to be fixed.
--
@Peter: very interesting the comments about breaking bad habits.
--
@Bec: These podcast are revealing very interested sides of yourself that were hidden in the backstage sessions.
@Peter: I don’t see you as an assistant, but as a special assistant. I remember when I watched the video about how you met Bec and why you hired her (the video where Bec was asking how to say “hi” in Canadian); that session was never sufficient. Now I can understand her real value. I think these podcast sessions are going to the right direction.
--
@Bec: I believe you when you say your BF is a very patient man, as he should be. As a compensation he has the reward of being with you.
--
@Peter & @Bec: Related to “model” versus “not a model”, many thanks for the explanations. My view is that there is a big difference between the formal term (fashion and commercial) and a more free concept. For me, a Model is a woman who is willing to pose in front of a camera, who is willing to share her beauty, who is willing to allow the photographer to capture some milliseconds of her beauty, who is proud enough to do all of these and be happy. Whether the photographs are going to be used for fashion or commercial purposes, for me, is not relevant at all. Other point to consider is the meaning of beauty, that I also have a more free concept. I find it difficult to adopt standards.
@Peter: I am really happy to hear that the old style is coming back, to tell a story in the photos.
@Peter: You are great when you say: “…I got sick and tired of people making me do stuff I don’t like…” I don’t consider you as a photographer either as your primary role, I think photography for you is just a (master) channel to depict your way of thinking.
--
BTW: I haven’t taken photographs for a long time, just the moonrise in the beach during the night, but don’t worry, I am identifying the locations for the new BW photographs that are coming.
Rabbit Duck? First thing came to my head was a Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck cartoon, good podcast! Regards from Mexico
Bec You are such a scatter brain, never mind we love you.
Rabbit, Duck! All I could think about was dinner.
Lols :)
TimTams, Bundaberg Ginger Beer, Flake n Chips, Egg and Beet on a burger and Vegemite. A few more Aussie originals. :)
And I love them all
Hello Peter and Bec. I have questions for you :
on the European tour,:
- what was the difference between students of each country.
- What you prefer and "hate" the more.
- do you had a lot of female newbies photographers?
Thank you for your answer in a special "workshop" TH-cam postcast. 😊😊
And What about the idea to make a podcast with two girls in the pics and learn us your technics about light on two body in the same picture.
2 lights from the same area on 2 body.
And 2 lights from opposite side on 2 bodies.
Thank you very much
And thank for your workshop in Paris. 💋💋T.
Hi Tiffany, there is no one that we 'hate', but we found we prefer people who find us through TH-cam as they are more interested in learning photography than just shooting pretty girls, and we also definitely do not get enough female photographers coming :) thank you for the suggestion, we will add it to our list
I take photos and if I like them i'm happy. If others like them, great but I take photos for me not them.
Love that! agree 100%
I'm sure you have both watched them before but Peter and Bec should watch/rewatch The Sopranos and The Wire!
Thanks yes amazing
Rabbit duck, why is the Rabbit ducking
I learnt something, but I can't remember what it was lol, lol
it was not a yellow rubber duck, but the word duck
I love the banter between the two of you but would you please move the mics so they don’t block your faces.
Thanks so much John, as it's a podcast the mic's are there to optimise sound for people listening as audio only, the video is only here so we can also share it to TH-cam
You two could so do a comedy routine…
They do! LOL
shooting photos for yourself is fine, but if you dont or cant please others, youll end up out of business...
Ozark! amazing oh my word. im not going to give you any spoilers but when ONE GUY was killed for no reason, i was so depressed.
Breaking Bad! amazing and of course Better Call Saul too
and whats wrong with watching drag racing? its way better than roundy-round stock car racing. not sure about the 4-across races yet
How do you take photos for others when you don't know what others like but you do know what you like so you should take photos for what you like and they'll be a percentage of the world that has the same taste as you, thanks for your comment
@@PeterCoulsonPhotographer I was thinking more along the lines of shooting for a client
Yeah my comment wasn't about shooting for clients it was about shooting for your own folio and what you show the world so you get booked for your style, of course when you're shooting for a client your gonna shoot what they want.